"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

In your last 2 posts #8963 and #8965 The earlier pic appears to be that of a white while the 2nd is a black. Inquiring minds want to know!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2439633]So the model from yesterday that refused to fuck me saying I was a wh**e came back this morning for another 2 hours. Yesterday was just some making out and groping on the sofa (with my pants never coming off). Today after about 10 minutes she politely asked me if I wanted a HJ so I graciously accepted. As I was spent from my ATF last night I did cum but nothing came out. LOL.

She seemed OK with that and we then went to a trendy place for breakfast. Since she has now driven 260 total miles to see me in two days I bought her food twice and gave her .8 for gas. She is on a modeling assignment today near my house (so her driving wasn't totally in vain) till about 8 pm and then wants to come back tonite (for what, I am not sure). I give her credit for going after what she wants (an exclusive arrangement). But it's something she can never get (at least not from me). We'll see what happens next.

I suddenly have a lot of POTS so its going to stay busy for the foreseeable future.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2439813]In your last 2 posts #8963 and #8965 The earlier pic appears to be that of a white while the 2nd is a black. Inquiring minds want to know![/QUOTE]Same girl. The pic where she looks darker is her actual skin tone. I've see pics of beyonce where she looks mixed. Never trust modeling pics. Except for body type. Make up and photoshop can do wonders.

Been chatting with a pretty mixed young lady from one of the sites. Chit chatting to see if we click while I figure out when I can do a m&g, targeting this week. Then out of the blue she asks what I think about having 2 sb's. Ok, tell me more. Seems her and her best friend (only other person knowing she is on the site) are bi and have played together several times, once with a dude. Haven't gotten detail on that yet, but I will be exploring more as well as how they work together before pulling the trigger. My question, what level of arrangement? Double? I could handle that for a few times, but I wouldn't want it to cut into my other baby budget! Thanks guys, love the forum!

Well, potential replacement is out of the picture. We did the wonderful meet and greet, chatted a bunch every day for about a week but she couldn't get past not knowing my last name. Only 2 even knows my real first name, one after our 1 yr anniversary! I think this one was really looking for a bf. Ill give her a bit to think about it and to maybe sample the compitition, then hit her up again. She was a sweetheart, well put together and intelligent. Not totally giving up on her!

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2410263]M&G as planned this evening at a nice local bar. Early 30's (oldest baby thus far), 5'4", very well put together. Masters degree, very well spoken, actually talks non stop! Open to any topic and we explored a lot of areas. Looking forward to next meeting, wow, just what I needed to get my mind off of number 1. Walrus, try stepping away from yours for a bit, it may give you another viewpoint.[/QUOTE]

Brothers,

Can we discuss a bit of how to work with the young ladies of SA?

I am working with a college Sophomore and its taking too much time.

Most of them don't seem to know.

A. What they want, and.

Be. What they are OK doing, like the physical part.

How can we speed this up and conclude sooner, positive or negative?

I am patient but ... need some conclusion.

Man, hindsight is 20-20. I wish I had a vasectomy when I had the chance.

This would make sex w SBs so much better now.

Can't do it now without making obvious what I am doing. Dang.

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing, what a dumbass I was! Had a scare a while back when the cover broke, now make it a habbit to confirm before I blow. Pain in the ass, but WAY better than the alternative.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2440874]Man, hindsight is 20-20. I wish I had a vasectomy when I had the chance.

This would make sex w SBs so much better now.

Can't do it now without making obvious what I am doing. Dang.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2440874]Man, hindsight is 20-20. I wish I had a vasectomy when I had the chance.

This would make sex w SBs so much better now.

Can't do it now without making obvious what I am doing. Dang.[/QUOTE]Had mine in 2008, and I wish I would have done it sooner.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2440867]Brothers,

Can we discuss a bit of how to work with the young ladies of SA?

I am working with a college Sophomore and its taking too much time.

Most of them don't seem to know.

A. What they want, and.

Be. What they are OK doing, like the physical part.

How can we speed this up and conclude sooner, positive or negative?

I am patient but ... need some conclusion.[/QUOTE]Depends on your game. It never ceases to amaze me how an SB can expect a guy to pay her a salary and not give up the pooty. But they do. They have to feel good about themselves and not like a hooker. I think you have to take them out and woo them, while letting them know up front that sex is expected at some point if they want an allowance. If they like you and are a little bit attracted they will give it up. There's a difference between taking then to a nice place for dinner, then head back to the FC for bedtime, as opposed to meeting at a Hotel for "the deed".

I am compelled to go straight to the FC by my life circumstances, thus have very little success compared to the old days when I could wine and dine them.

Does the Warden NEVER go away to relatives or ANYTHING for 2-3 nights? That is all you need to get-in. Get it done, and be 100% recovered by the time she gets back!! You just need a buddy to take you and bring you home!

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2440874]Man, hindsight is 20-20. I wish I had a vasectomy when I had the chance.

This would make sex w SBs so much better now.

Can't do it now without making obvious what I am doing. Dang.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=FTP1999;2440867]Brothers,

Can we discuss a bit of how to work with the young ladies of SA?

I am working with a college Sophomore and its taking too much time.

Most of them don't seem to know.

A. What they want, and.

Be. What they are OK doing, like the physical part.

How can we speed this up and conclude sooner, positive or negative?

I am patient but ... need some conclusion.[/QUOTE]Set a time limit you are willing to talk to a girl. My limit is a week to set definite plans. If they fall through for a logical reason then thats fine. But if there is no commitment asap then its probably not going to happen. After that make her chase you (and very few will).

Tell them exactly what you want and exactly what they can expect. As far as sex its our job to open them up, so to speak, to new adventures. All I do with EVERY girl is get them to agree to a HJ. Thats it.

If you trust in your game then you know very few stop there. My dating game may be weak compared to some but my FC game has always been better than most. I am at my peak now but I have always felt that once the clothes are off (hers or mine or both) or even just my dick is out, I have little to fear. Whatever happens after that will be fun to varying degrees. If its fun enough I'll go back for more. And if not, on to the next.

Been having a hard time with a lower level GPS girl? Try this.

"What you are probably starting to realize is that many of the guys on here are full of it. And the ones that will pay more? Well guess what? They want every girl they can have, and at those higher amounts they can have any girl they want. So they see you a few times and then poof they're gone. And maybe that's all you want. But I need something long term and someone I can count on. What about you?

Why I don't cave to the GPS girls. First of all I can't afford to. And that's a real concern. I understand addiction quite well and I also understand risk management. And and I also have no problem dating girls with good bodies, a certain personality type, and superior skills. But I do have to give in on the looks dept sometimes (many times) to get those tiny bodies, porn star skills and little girl qualities that keep me hard.

The premium based on facial looks alone is steep. But I can see that by applying some patience to some of these GPS girls (and GPS mainly due to their beauty.) The ones that want you to keep after them so they can feel special. That I could win many of them over quickly at $.5 (and $$ would be a no brainer). But that still doesn't in any way shape or form attest to their skills. Which for me has to be the primary qualifier aside from a basic physical attraction.

And unfortunately the hotter they are the harder it is sometimes to get those skills. As a trophy fuck I am sure they are fine. But at my age I need a lot more than that. Anyway as my plate is full I have the time to toy with a few endless messenger types. So I am trying it out. The downside is I could land a hottie (or a first timer) after weeks or months only to find she is no good in bed. And the drama associated with that compared to a girl I package up and interview in a few days seems like a lot emotionally. So for now I am primarily going to go after my usual 7/9's. And not feel bad about not getting the 9/9's.

Right now I have four of these hard to get types I am messaging. A ballerina (18) that claims to get generous SD's but has some sexual needs that arent being met. An older (25) model and possible first timer that doesnt trust anyone. A skinny nerdy girl (21) with a high sex drive not being met. And a very shy, scared? and broke first timer (18) that is pretty, tiny and very feminine. And the reason I chose these four is just a gut instinct about their personality type and skills potential. No matter how aloof or adamant about money they are, they are still hoping to find the right man knowing it might mean taking less cash to do it.

The model I started dating over the weekend will be here wednesday as she "forgot" her jacket at my house saturday. She is still calling me a ho and I cant really spend any money for just a HJ unless its like .6 (and even that would get old soon enough). But she is very intelligent, and presentable. GF quality for sure (except I dont need a GF). Sorry for the rambling. But I think I tired myself out enough to go to sleep now.

Hey guys,

Just bought a Vanilla VISA card to try and renew my membership on SA. After registering the card I tried to renew the subscription on SA and was presented with two VISA payment options. Both labeled "Primary". Per the forum I was looking for " on SA you *must* choose the 2nd option that says seekingar". Unlike the old 2nd option this one required all of the typical personal info. Does anyone know if this is a permanent change that has been put into effect by Vanilla VISA? I don't remember having to enter all those personal details the first time I completed the VISA card info.

I would suggest trying both or all available methods of payment and whatever goes through is what works! Just enter some made up data for personal info but the ZIP should be whatever you set for your Vanilla card.

In the US credit cards use only the ZIP for verification and that is all that can be set on the Vanilla web site.

At one point the first option at SA was through a foreign processor and hence Vanilla cards did not work with it.

[QUOTE=Playa12;2442756]Hey guys,

Just bought a Vanilla VISA card to try and renew my membership on SA. After registering the card I tried to renew the subscription on SA and was presented with two VISA payment options. Both labeled "Primary". Per the forum I was looking for " on SA you *must* choose the 2nd option that says seekingar". Unlike the old 2nd option this one required all of the typical personal info. Does anyone know if this is a permanent change that has been put into effect by Vanilla VISA? I don't remember having to enter all those personal details the first time I completed the VISA card info.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2441269]Depends on your game. It never ceases to amaze me how an SB can expect a guy to pay her a salary and not give up the pooty. But they do. They have to feel good about themselves and not like a hooker. I think you have to take them out and woo them, while letting them know up front that sex is expected at some point if they want an allowance. If they like you and are a little bit attracted they will give it up. There's a difference between taking then to a nice place for dinner, then head back to the FC for bedtime, as opposed to meeting at a Hotel for "the deed".

I am compelled to go straight to the FC by my life circumstances, thus have very little success compared to the old days when I could wine and dine them.[/QUOTE]Have to do everything UTR. Please tell me that you've had some success at least with the older SBs who seem to be in it just for the $.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2442328]...
But I can see that by applying some patience to some of these GPS girls (and GPS mainly due to their beauty.) The ones that want you to keep after them so they can feel special. That I could win many of them over quickly at $.5 (and $$ would be a no brainer).
...[/QUOTE]How do you "keep after the GPS POTs" after their message that they expect many $ per date to which I either reply that is way beyond my budget or I can only offer fewer $.

All communication ceases at this point do I just email them after some time (couple of months?) has passed? If yes what should I say in it "Hey how are you? I am still available etc. ".

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2443217]How do you "keep after the GPS POTs" [/QUOTE]By messaging them periodically? Only low level GPS girls. Like the $$ and $$$ girls. Usually 18-20 only. But I guess they could be any age. Find ones that still have fantasies other than being rich. LOL.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2440874]Man, hindsight is 20-20. I wish I had a vasectomy when I had the chance.

This would make sex w SBs so much better now.

Can't do it now without making obvious what I am doing. Dang.[/QUOTE]25 years ago my wife decided the baby factory was closing down. It was either she had a hysterectomy or I get a vasectomy. Reluctantly, I had the vasectomy. Little did I know at the time how much I would benefit from that. I have had several affairs and played in the sugar bowl where it led to bareback after a while. I wouldn't even considered such a move without that as every one of them were / are of the age where they could get pregnant.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2443482]25 years ago my wife decided the baby factory was closing down. It was either she had a hysterectomy or I get a vasectomy. Reluctantly, I had the vasectomy. Little did I know at the time how much I would benefit from that. I have had several affairs and played in the sugar bowl where it led to bareback after a while. I wouldn't even considered such a move without that as every one of them were / are of the age where they could get pregnant.[/QUOTE]I remember when my wife said the same thing way back when. And I refused. I finally saw the light just as I entered the bowl. Not a moment too soon.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2442328]Why I don't cave to the GPS girls. First of all I can't afford to. And that's a real concern. I understand addiction quite well and I also understand risk management. And and I also have no problem dating girls with good bodies, a certain personality type, and superior skills. But I do have to give in on the looks dept sometimes (many times) to get those tiny bodies, porn star skills and little girl qualities that keep me hard.[/QUOTE]I have tried this approach on several occasions. Much to my surprise, I have had success twice. The first one was the 27 y / o I reported on here that I met for breakfast and was GPS. We settled on $250, which I find reasonable because she hosts. My reasoning is that I would go as high as $200, and pay for the SS. So, $250 and her hosting, while it's still what I consider at the high end, is within my budget limit. The down side is I won't be able to see her as much as I would like because of the price. And, her skill level is worth every penny of the price.

The second one I finally got to the FC yesterday. We had a car date where we went to a DD drive thru and then sat and talked in the car. Turned out we know several of the same people, and I am personal friends with her ex. I really don't remember her from when they were married. Anyway, she wanted something like $400 if I remember right, and I offered $150. We agreed to say goodbye and good luck. While I was out of town she texts me and asks if I am still interested. I tell her at $150 yes, anything more, no. She says she will take $150. Yesterday we meet and take a trip to the FC. While she was good enough that I would see her again, she was no way in hell worth more than the $150. Apparently, at her price she had no takers. So, the moral of the story is do not give up just because they are GPS. Sometimes they will come to their senses and you score. Of course, sometimes you find out after you get them to the FC that they may be 9's or 10's in the looks department, but fail in the skills department. That is why I don't care much for the game of pay the price once just to fuck a 9 or 10, and then move on. If it's poor skills, I feel I wasted my precious hobby funds.

For those of you who have had vasectomies, do you unload inside the girl or do you pull out?

The reason I ask is that when I was a teenager, I would cum inside them more out of laziness or stupidity maybe. I always figured that pulling out right as I came would diminish the best part of the experience. But in my teens, I either was banging someone I was dating (in which case they would often be on the pill), or it was kind of a drunken one-night stand where I figured the odds of pregnancy were small with an occasional incident, and I knew a girl that age that barely knew me had good motivation to abort (to save her reputation). Plus I had no real assets to go after at the time so I didn't give it much thought.

As I got older and began to acquire and own things (had something to potentially lose in a paternity case), I started pulling out every single time, even if she said she was on the pill. It's actually hard for me to remember whether it diminishes the experience or not, that's how long it's been since I came inside a woman. I recall doing so once about 12 years ago with a one-night stand, but it was an accident. I was having too much fun, she was riding me cowgirl, and I just didn't have the heart to stop her before the big event. She was married so it kind of freaked her out, as she was not on the pill or anything, luckily no pregnancy followed.

Usually with most women I "date" (current SO included), I like to finish in their mouth, getting maximum intensity of orgasm without risk of pregnancy (I realize that's a preferential thing, but to me coming in their mouth feels the best of all options). With SBs I don't typically expect them to take a load in the mouth -- I'm sure many of them would, but since I typically only go out with any given SB once, it normally seems more convenient to just pull out and paste them all over their tits, tummy, ass or whatever than to try to see if they are the type that will take a mouth shot.

So recently, I was thinking to myself, if I had a vasectomy, would I just cum inside from then on? I really don't know. Old habits die hard and I guess I've gotten fond of seeing how much goo I can blast them with, and they seem kind of fond of it too (I guess it's the ultimate showing of appreciation if you look at it that way. LOL).

What do those of you who are snipped do?

Once I had my vasectomy I just got used to it. Now I have a real tough time to pull out and do anything else. And a hatred of condoms. .

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2443672]For those of you who have had vasectomies, do you unload inside the girl or do you pull out?

The reason I ask is that when I was a teenager, I would cum inside them more out of laziness or stupidity maybe. I always figured that pulling out right as I came would diminish the best part of the experience. But in my teens, I either was banging someone I was dating (in which case they would often be on the pill), or it was kind of a drunken one-night stand where I figured the odds of pregnancy were small with an occasional incident, and I knew a girl that age that barely knew me had good motivation to abort (to save her reputation). Plus I had no real assets to go after at the time so I didn't give it much thought.

As I got older and began to acquire and own things (had something to potentially lose in a paternity case), I started pulling out every single time, even if she said she was on the pill. It's actually hard for me to remember whether it diminishes the experience or not, that's how long it's been since I came inside a woman. I recall doing so once about 12 years ago with a one-night stand, but it was an accident. I was having too much fun, she was riding me cowgirl, and I just didn't have the heart to stop her before the big event. She was married so it kind of freaked her out, as she was not on the pill or anything, luckily no pregnancy followed.

Usually with most women I "date" (current SO included), I like to finish in their mouth, getting maximum intensity of orgasm without risk of pregnancy (I realize that's a preferential thing, but to me coming in their mouth feels the best of all options). With SBs I don't typically expect them to take a load in the mouth -- I'm sure many of them would, but since I typically only go out with any given SB once, it normally seems more convenient to just pull out and paste them all over their tits, tummy, ass or whatever than to try to see if they are the type that will take a mouth shot.

So recently, I was thinking to myself, if I had a vasectomy, would I just cum inside from then on? I really don't know. Old habits die hard and I guess I've gotten fond of seeing how much goo I can blast them with, and they seem kind of fond of it too (I guess it's the ultimate showing of appreciation if you look at it that way. LOL).

What do those of you who are snipped do?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2443672]For those of you who have had vasectomies, do you unload inside the girl or do you pull out?

The reason I ask is that when I was a teenager, I would cum inside them more out of laziness or stupidity maybe. I always figured that pulling out right as I came would diminish the best part of the experience. But in my teens, I either was banging someone I was dating (in which case they would often be on the pill), or it was kind of a drunken one-night stand where I figured the odds of pregnancy were small with an occasional incident, and I knew a girl that age that barely knew me had good motivation to abort (to save her reputation). Plus I had no real assets to go after at the time so I didn't give it much thought.

As I got older and began to acquire and own things (had something to potentially lose in a paternity case), I started pulling out every single time, even if she said she was on the pill. It's actually hard for me to remember whether it diminishes the experience or not, that's how long it's been since I came inside a woman. I recall doing so once about 12 years ago with a one-night stand, but it was an accident. I was having too much fun, she was riding me cowgirl, and I just didn't have the heart to stop her before the big event. She was married so it kind of freaked her out, as she was not on the pill or anything, luckily no pregnancy followed.

Usually with most women I "date" (current SO included), I like to finish in their mouth, getting maximum intensity of orgasm without risk of pregnancy (I realize that's a preferential thing, but to me coming in their mouth feels the best of all options). With SBs I don't typically expect them to take a load in the mouth -- I'm sure many of them would, but since I typically only go out with any given SB once, it normally seems more convenient to just pull out and paste them all over their tits, tummy, ass or whatever than to try to see if they are the type that will take a mouth shot.

So recently, I was thinking to myself, if I had a vasectomy, would I just cum inside from then on? I really don't know. Old habits die hard and I guess I've gotten fond of seeing how much goo I can blast them with, and they seem kind of fond of it too (I guess it's the ultimate showing of appreciation if you look at it that way. LOL).

What do those of you who are snipped do?[/QUOTE]Since I have had a vasectomy, if I get a SB to where we are barebacking, I never pull out unless it's to do some face painting. Since I can't get them preggo it's really a no brainer.

Easy one -- unload inside -- every time. Even if they say not to, I have faked it and then pulled out and pretended to unload afterwards (I know. I am bad LOL), or if I know I will not see them again -- just unload and take the heat!

I will say that the above is rare, most I see either know I am vas safe, or are on the pill and do not care!

GW.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2443672]For those of you who have had vasectomies, do you unload inside the girl or do you pull out?

The reason I ask is that when I was a teenager, I would cum inside them more out of laziness or stupidity maybe. I always figured that pulling out right as I came would diminish the best part of the experience. But in my teens, I either was banging someone I was dating (in which case they would often be on the pill), or it was kind of a drunken one-night stand where I figured the odds of pregnancy were small with an occasional incident, and I knew a girl that age that barely knew me had good motivation to abort (to save her reputation). Plus I had no real assets to go after at the time so I didn't give it much thought.

As I got older and began to acquire and own things (had something to potentially lose in a paternity case), I started pulling out every single time, even if she said she was on the pill. It's actually hard for me to remember whether it diminishes the experience or not, that's how long it's been since I came inside a woman. I recall doing so once about 12 years ago with a one-night stand, but it was an accident. I was having too much fun, she was riding me cowgirl, and I just didn't have the heart to stop her before the big event. She was married so it kind of freaked her out, as she was not on the pill or anything, luckily no pregnancy followed.

Usually with most women I "date" (current SO included), I like to finish in their mouth, getting maximum intensity of orgasm without risk of pregnancy (I realize that's a preferential thing, but to me coming in their mouth feels the best of all options). With SBs I don't typically expect them to take a load in the mouth -- I'm sure many of them would, but since I typically only go out with any given SB once, it normally seems more convenient to just pull out and paste them all over their tits, tummy, ass or whatever than to try to see if they are the type that will take a mouth shot.

So recently, I was thinking to myself, if I had a vasectomy, would I just cum inside from then on? I really don't know. Old habits die hard and I guess I've gotten fond of seeing how much goo I can blast them with, and they seem kind of fond of it too (I guess it's the ultimate showing of appreciation if you look at it that way. LOL).

What do those of you who are snipped do?[/QUOTE]

A POT I started messaging yesterday. She is on board for the $ donation. She is 25,5'6". Tight body. Most likely UTR. But not totally sure yet. Another 7/9.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2443672]...
Usually with most women I "date" (current SO included), I like to finish in their mouth, getting maximum intensity of orgasm without risk of pregnancy (I realize that's a preferential thing, but to me coming in their mouth feels the best of all options). With SBs I don't typically expect them to take a load in the mouth -- I'm sure many of them would, but since I typically only go out with any given SB once, it normally seems more convenient to just pull out and paste them all over their tits, tummy, ass or whatever than to try to see if they are the type that will take a mouth shot.

So recently, I was thinking to myself, if I had a vasectomy, would I just cum inside from then on? I really don't know. Old habits die hard and I guess I've gotten fond of seeing how much goo I can blast them with, and they seem kind of fond of it too (I guess it's the ultimate showing of appreciation if you look at it that way. LOL).

What do those of you who are snipped do?[/QUOTE]What's so different with SBs? The worst that can happen is they say no to CIM and the ones of the type that HWG dates are teachable so they can learn to swallow a load.

I have a missus without a physical relationship and am thinking of getting it. There was a long discussion on this forum about how to do it UTR in response to my question. I came across a doctor (not sure if he was a urologist) who offered a minimally invasive procedure more effective than the conventional technique with hardly any recovery time. If I did need any time to recover I am planning to just stay home and tell everyone (work & family) that I am under the weather!

BTW do not use your health insurance! Pay cash if possible or use a Vanilla (prepaid) credit card / check on a secret bank account.

Even if you are intimate with your SO there will always be a few day in a month when she will not be seeing "it" since she cannot use "it".

Do not give up so quickly bro' explore and research all possible ways of accomplishing it. As they. No pain No gain.

Why have I not yet done it? Because I have yet to score with an SB in her reproductive years sob. Sob and the couple that I have been with allow CIM / facial.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2440874]Man, hindsight is 20-20. I wish I had a vasectomy when I had the chance.

This would make sex w SBs so much better now.



Can't do it now without making obvious what I am doing. Dang.[/QUOTE]

Did he tell you how much?

Traditional ones w / o insurance can be just crazy expensive.

I met a coupe who fuck without a condom. I just don't want to be a daddy.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2444451]I have a missus without a physical relationship and am thinking of getting it. There was a long discussion on this forum about how to do it UTR in response to my question. I came across a doctor (not sure if he was a urologist) who offered a minimally invasive procedure more effective than the conventional technique with hardly any recovery time. If I did need any time to recover I am planning to just stay home and tell everyone (work & family) that I am under the weather!

BTW do not use your health insurance! Pay cash if possible or use a Vanilla (prepaid) credit card / check on a secret bank account.

Even if you are intimate with your SO there will always be a few day in a month when she will not be seeing "it" since she cannot use "it".

Do not give up so quickly bro' explore and research all possible ways of accomplishing it. As they. No pain No gain.

Why have I not yet done it? Because I have yet to score with an SB in her reproductive years sob. Sob and the couple that I have been with allow CIM / facial.[/QUOTE]

HG:

This looks great.

There is just no way you can get quality honey with $ in DC / NoVA.

I have plenty balking already at higher rates.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2444059]A POT I started messaging yesterday. She is on board for the $ donation. She is 25,5'6". Tight body. Most likely UTR. But not totally sure yet. Another 7/9.[/QUOTE]

Based o advice here: I just said Sayanora to a college student who seems to have no time for me. Met once for coffee a while ago and even that was like pulling teeth.

She is cute. Dang.

I told her to give my number to any friends who may be interested. Hope is eternal.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2444417]What's so different with SBs? The worst that can happen is they say no to CIM and the ones of the type that HWG dates are teachable so they can learn to swallow a load.[/QUOTE]The difference with me is that I'm never looking for recurring dates. I hit it once and move on. I don't have enough days out of the year away from the SO to spend a lot of time with any one girl so I try to date as many as possible during a compressed time frame.

No reason not to CIM with an SB, but usually I am in the FC with them within a couple of hours of the first meeting, so I don't want to risk screwing up my orgasm by going for the mouth shot, when it's not all that important to me. If I kept on seeing the same girl, it would probably happen by the second or third date (or there definitely wouldn't be a fourth).

So to me it's not worth the risk of them saying no, even if 70% of them would say yes. Some women have an aversion to semen that is just psychological and I don't want to spend time figuring things out on such a short stint with each girl.

The other issue is that often times when a girl swallows or just takes the load in her mouth, she is trying to make sure you're happy in the "long-term" (i.e. demonstrate her worthiness as a girlfriend or ongoing fuckbuddy or whatever). I don't want that. I already have a problem with them hanging around, wanting to sleep next to me, cuddle etc. Maybe if I weren't in a serious relationship I would have a different take on it all, but I would rather just sleep alone after 2 or 3 rounds of sex.

Maybe in all my horniness I have a bit of personal integrity somewhere in there, but I don't like sending mixed messages or playing with people's minds.

It hurts, but in the end, its the best move you can make. I had two young college girls who were either to busy for my schedule or were playing games. I get the feeling that some of these young girls play the kind of dating games they are told to play in real life (e. G. Play hard to get initially otherwise the guy will lose interest, etc.) and bring that nonsense to the bowl. I have also found that these are the girls that are perpetually online on these sugar sites.

By cutting her loose, you have made time for yourself to meet a SB that will accomodate you and your schedule and who will be equally, or more attractive. This is how things should work. We are the ones providing the allowance, not the other way around.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2444550]Based o advice here: I just said Sayanora to a college student who seems to have no time for me. Met once for coffee a while ago and even that was like pulling teeth.

She is cute. Dang.

I told her to give my number to any friends who may be interested. Hope is eternal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2445169]It hurts, but in the end, its the best move you can make. I had two young college girls who were either to busy for my schedule or were playing games. I get the feeling that some of these young girls play the kind of dating games they are told to play in real life (e. G. Play hard to get initially otherwise the guy will lose interest, etc.) and bring that nonsense to the bowl. I have also found that these are the girls that are perpetually online on these sugar sites.

By cutting her loose, you have made time for yourself to meet a SB that will accomodate you and your schedule and who will be equally, or more attractive. This is how things should work. We are the ones providing the allowance, not the other way around.[/QUOTE]I have met a load of these 18 to 22 yr old gamers. They have very specific limits as to how far they will go to get the $$ . The ones who "get it " and play the game right will prosper. Just like us they will have to fuck a few frogs before they hit paydirt. But in the end if they will satisfy Daddy they will have more than they ever dreamed of. I saw an adorable 19 yr old who set the limit at oral -nothing vaginal-in return for a hefty allowance. I don't know about you guys, but anything short of vaginal play is a nonstarter and I'm not that desperate.

The thing is, these girls buy into the marketing and think there is a Knight in shining armor out there who will give them lots of money for looking cute. That is rarely the case.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2445217]I have met a load of these 18 to 22 yr old gamers. They have very specific limits as to how far they will go to get the $$ . The ones who "get it " and play the game right will prosper. Just like us they will have to fuck a few frogs before they hit paydirt. But in the end if they will satisfy Daddy they will have more than they ever dreamed of. I saw an adorable 19 yr old who set the limit at oral -nothing vaginal-in return for a hefty allowance. I don't know about you guys, but anything short of vaginal play is a nonstarter and I'm not that desperate.

The thing is, these girls buy into the marketing and think there is a Knight in shining armor out there who will give them lots of money for looking cute. That is rarely the case.[/QUOTE]I have a flakey college SB. I just learned to tolerate the scheduling inconsistencies. She's cute enough and we never harp over any issues. At times, I have seen her pull all nighters studying. I'm quite forgiving. Her body makes up for it. I've dealt with a few SB's so far and for a girl with my preferred height and body type I cut her some slack. She's a 10 in bed and very submissive. As far as sugar, there's no set amount. She only reaches out when things come up like a car repair, cell phone bill, minor stuff.

I have seen some discussion on this topic.
So when I saw this profile I thought I would message them.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e08005da/view?search-recently-active[/URL]

Me: NOTHING SEXUAL. ?

Them: dependsss.

I remember the cash price for this particular type of procedure was advertised by this doc for a few hundred $ Also do not go by the cost of service given by the insurance co get it from the actual provider by asking for cash price or price for self insured patients.

Hospitals have one price for insurers and another for cash paying patients.

If you and the SO are not planning on having children then you can offer to be snipped and save her the burden of being on the pill etc She will then owe you one!

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2444536]Did he tell you how much?

Traditional ones w / o insurance can be just crazy expensive.

I met a coupe who fuck without a condom. I just don't want to be a daddy.[/QUOTE]

Wow did not know that CIM / facial is indicative of a special relationship between a man & a woman. Some of the women I have paid for did not kiss as it was "personal".

I always politely ask if I can CIM! Yes means I am on cloud 9 no they offer their boobs instead. No one has hinted that they do that only for their BF etc seems like they either do it or not with anybody.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2444779]...
The other issue is that often times when a girl swallows or just takes the load in her mouth, she is trying to make sure you're happy in the "long-term" (i.e. demonstrate her worthiness as a girlfriend or ongoing fuckbuddy or whatever). I don't want that. I already have a problem with them hanging around, wanting to sleep next to me, cuddle etc. Maybe if I weren't in a serious relationship I would have a different take on it all, but I would rather just sleep alone after 2 or 3 rounds of sex.

Maybe in all my horniness I have a bit of personal integrity somewhere in there, but I don't like sending mixed messages or playing with people's minds.[/QUOTE]

Date # 3 with the "model". She came over after school yesterday about 3 and stayed for 24 hours. She finally got over not fucking me because I was a "ho".

It was nice to have someone stay over, something I hadn't done in about 9 months but it did disrupt my sleep and work today a bit.

She told me about her previous and only other SD. A guy she saw randomly and only had sex with once a month for 8 hundred dollars a month allowance. And that was a year ago and she hadn't found anyone since. But she still was way too spoiled and kind up a lightweight in the FC to even think about seeing again. She ended up being a 7/9/9/7 and bitched about what I spent on her in spite of me telling her exactly what I would spend before she ever got here. She wasn't mean, just disappointed.

I did create a new profile for her on SA so I am sure she will do fine. And I wish her well but doubt I will see her anytime soon. We connected on a mental level more than anything else. She was more of a GF type outside the FC. But that's not what I care about.