"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

But my best guess is that she is on the site for some sugar. I've known a few girls in my civvy dating life that fantasized about being an escort, having sex with a complete stranger they met online, etc. If she is as put together as she says she is, then that might solve the mystery.

At the end of the day though, I suspect she expects sugar for sugar. Why else would she be on a sugar site? She might not be direct in the request, and you may be the kind of guy she would sleep with, even without an allowance, but if it was purely for the sex, I suspect she would post a Craigslist ad, and have her choice of whatever flavor she was into.

Great find and good luck to you.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2421023]Had a M&G with a petite girl the other day. Heavy into working out, not buffed like a dude but she's very fit. 5'2"; 100 lbs. Face 7 / body 8. During conversation she mentioned she lied about her age. She's 34, profile said 28. She's got her own house, a couple of cars and a teenager that lives with his father when in school. She's got a nice job too, doesn't appear to need money. I have no idea why she's in the bowl. I'm going to pursue for the low cost, but truthfully the bowl has spoiled me to wanting early 20's girls only. I'm not willing to drop sugar for her, but NSA or FWB would be excellent. I think she'd be a good break when my current spinner SB, who's a grad student goes dark for a couple days or when I need a break from paying hotel costs for the FC.

What's the logic of a dame like that getting involved in the bowl? She claims there's not a good pool of dateable guys in the area.[/QUOTE]

So my first two M&G's flaked (damn 18 year olds) not too worried got more bites, but HWG I think I am not doing your step 5 right, had a few back out before I could get a M&G when I mention "no sex, no money" first meets (do you actually say that phrase? The few that back out at that point so far have been along the lines, "Well I want paid dates and I usually get a lot more" I have been just responding that I'm not trying to force someone to do anything they aren't comfortable with and reiterate it can be a paid date if there is some physical fun to be had. Also, dunno if its typical or the SD's in my area have been over paying for a long time but almost every girl has been starting $500+ as their negotiating bids, I get them worked down quickly though following the guide in #3.

Here's the cliff notes version from someone going through this. I'll never tell anyone NOT to get married. It definitely made me mature from my wreckless 20's. I hit 30 figured marriage was the next logical step. Professionally my colleagues were married, no one ever divulged the down side. My parents were married, no revelation of how bad it sucked. So I got married, every year got progressively worse. After 4 yrs decided to mention to the wife I was done and wanted out. The all intense dash for my cash and everything I owned started after that point. Once she got an attorney it was lights out. Even my attorney told me to get this over as quick as possible and pay whatever's needed to settle. He even said speak to him before deciding to do something like this "getting married" again. I learned some very valuable lessons through this ordeal. I've grown to love my experience, but I'd tell anyone to proceed with caution before making the move.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2421184]Exactly. I tell any young guy I know not to get stuck and controlled in the system by getting married.

The true test if a woman that is sincere is to get her to agree to a marriage without the state. If she balks then you know she knows the game (system) and wants that control of you and your assets. Most American women know the game. The men need to wise up more, and not wait until they are caught in it.

I've thought about opening a website helping those guys that are married that want out, and exit the most efficient way possible given their state laws. And tudor those unmarried guys what NOT to do by getting caught up in the judicial system. There are ways to maximize your loss of assets by getting out.

I would never ever get married again. Why would I want to give up control of my life? Screw that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PhxFunLover;2421838]So my first two M&G's flaked (damn 18 year olds) not too worried got more bites, but HWG I think I am not doing your step 5 right, had a few back out before I could get a M&G when I mention "no sex, no money" first meets (do you actually say that phrase? The few that back out at that point so far have been along the lines, "Well I want paid dates and I usually get a lot more" [/QUOTE]The cost of the younger sbs is the higher rate of flakes. It's just something you'll learn to work with, as in never book a room ahead of time even with multiple assurances that she's ready for the fc.

I'd think the ones not wanting to show up without a paid date would equal pro / utr. It may even be a good way to weed them out if you're only interested in the nps.

[QUOTE=PhxFunLover;2421838]So my first two M&G's flaked (damn 18 year olds) not too worried got more bites, but HWG I think I am not doing your step 5 right, had a few back out before I could get a M&G when I mention "no sex, no money" first meets (do you actually say that phrase? The few that back out at that point so far have been along the lines, "Well I want paid dates and I usually get a lot more" I have been just responding that I'm not trying to force someone to do anything they aren't comfortable with and reiterate it can be a paid date if there is some physical fun to be had. Also, dunno if its typical or the SD's in my area have been over paying for a long time but almost every girl has been starting $500+ as their negotiating bids, I get them worked down quickly though following the guide in #3.[/QUOTE]I only say the "no sex, no money" date (verbatim) if they say they don't just hop in the sack on a first date. So it gives them a safe way to M&G with no pressure. Just did one today even though she said she would go straight to the FC. But hewr pics were so bad I wanted to make sure she was at least a 7. She turned out to be an 8/9. Still not sure if the chemistry was there. If they are GPS then its never going to work out anyway. Five bills a date. Come on. Thats for 10's with porn star skills doing an overnite at a minimum. If they start at Five I don't even respond.

I would say to anyone newish. Lower your sites a little and work your way up. Even talk to girls you dont want just to be talking. Sometimes I message so many girls I dont even take a real look at their pics till they respond. Had one today. A starving artist. Once I saw her pics closely I declined. No big deal. They ditch us all the time.

I like feedback and the only way to get it is to message across the board.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2421023]
Older Professional Women

Had a M&G with a petite girl the other day. Heavy into working out, not buffed like a dude but she's very fit. 5'2"; 100 lbs. Face 7 / body 8. During conversation she mentioned she lied about her age. She's 34, profile said 28. She's got her own house, a couple of cars and a teenager that lives with his father when in school. She's got a nice job too, doesn't appear to need money. I have no idea why she's in the bowl. I'm going to pursue for the low cost, but truthfully the bowl has spoiled me to wanting early 20's girls only. I'm not willing to drop sugar for her, but NSA or FWB would be excellent. I think she'd be a good break when my current spinner SB, who's a grad student goes dark for a couple days or when I need a break from paying hotel costs for the FC.

What's the logic of a dame like that getting involved in the bowl? She claims there's not a good pool of dateable guys in the area.[/QUOTE]She wants attention and dick. I don't see a problem.

The more I do this the more I realize it is totally a numbers game. I have done a few M&G's in the last couple of weeks and came up with one gem. The other girls are ones I would have easily pursued in the past, but no more. The gem is a very sweet and super submissive little wh*re for daddy. Yesterday we did a car date and I gave her an anal pounding for 45 minutes of that date. Her ass is as smooth, tight and wet as some of the best pussy I have ever had. In the end she went from ass to mouth to finish me off. She doesn't smoke, drink or do drugs. Which is not a requirement to date me. Especially in a state where marijuana is legal. Interesting fact. There are more weed stores in L. A. than starbucks.

It was only our third date but I feel like it will continue. This early its never a good idea to count your chickens, but I am feeling confident. I could hear the frost in my ATF's voice when I told her we hit our third date. A promise I made to her. That I would inform her of any girl that got to date three. I have two more M&G's set for the weekend so far. One is an admitted sub and the other looks to be a bit of a party girl. 19 and 18 respectively.

[QUOTE=PhxFunLover;2421838] Also, dunno if its typical or the SD's in my area have been over paying for a long time but almost every girl has been starting $500[/QUOTE]I'm in the valley as well, been on SA about 2 years, have gotten to the FC with about 20 girls in that time, most I ever paid was 150, my default right now is 120, and I have more than I can get to.
Sure I get rejected or ignored by a lot of them but there are plenty who are cool with that ball park. If they're not, move on.

Generally they are in the 7 face 8 body range, although my current fave is an 18 year old latina who is a 9/8/8/9 spinner. If you are exclusively after the perfect 10 blonde ASU sorority girls, yeah, you're going to pay more.

But it should be pointed out that the government provides several benefits to getting married. Tax, estate, SSN, Medicare, Veteran benefits, etc. So there are legitimate reasons for getting officially hitched that don't necessarily come down to wanting their claws in your goodies.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2421184]Exactly. I tell any young guy I know not to get stuck and controlled in the system by getting married.

The true test if a woman that is sincere is to get her to agree to a marriage without the state. If she balks then you know she knows the game (system) and wants that control of you and your assets. Most American women know the game. The men need to wise up more, and not wait until they are caught in it.

I've thought about opening a website helping those guys that are married that want out, and exit the most efficient way possible given their state laws. And tudor those unmarried guys what NOT to do by getting caught up in the judicial system. There are ways to maximize your loss of assets by getting out.

I would never ever get married again. Why would I want to give up control of my life? Screw that.[/QUOTE]

It IS good -until it isn't. Some of us take longer than others to get to that "isn't" phase, but it almost always gets there. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Here's the thing. You have to marry up. If you marry a girl who is equal to you in income / wealth, you will not lose ground in a Divorce. I know many people who married high earners or wealthy girls. If you are a productive guy and have a good career yourself, even if the rich ***** has a prenup you will leave with your own goods.

Most often, guys like us in the Bowl are well to do if not wealthy, and we are usually the one girls are targeting to improve their financial status, or to flat out support them for ever and always -'til death do you part. Don't ever take on a girl who brings nothing to the table but pussy. She eventually ages, gets tired of your needs,becomes unattractive,doesn't need your consent anymore and you are on the hook. Once the Government has you in the system you are toast .

Listen to me brothers. Marriage is fun and fine with a girl you love for the moment. It might bring you many years of joy. But NEVER, EVER marry below your financial status.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2422440]It IS good -until it isn't. Some of us take longer than others to get to that "isn't" phase, but it almost always gets there. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Here's the thing. You have to marry up. If you marry a girl who is equal to you in income / wealth, you will not lose ground in a Divorce. I know many people who married high earners or wealthy girls. If you are a productive guy and have a good career yourself, even if the rich ***** has a prenup you will leave with your own goods.

Most often, guys like us in the Bowl are well to do if not wealthy, and we are usually the one girls are targeting to improve their financial status, or to flat out support them for ever and always -'til death do you part. Don't ever take on a girl who brings nothing to the table but pussy. She eventually ages, gets tired of your needs,becomes unattractive,doesn't need your consent anymore and you are on the hook. Once the Government has you in the system you are toast .

Listen to me brothers. Marriage is fun and fine with a girl you love for the moment. It might bring you many years of joy. But NEVER, EVER marry below your financial status.[/QUOTE] "You can marry more money in one minute than you can earn in a lifetime".

Todays POTS. I am hoping to meet the hand on her hip girl Sunday. She is 18 and flirty. The skinny one is 19 and a bit cautious. The little black dress girl is a UTR but she is pretty hot at 22 and 5'1". I have two confirmed dates for tonite. My new daddys girl ready for date #4 and an M&G straight to the FC so she says sub girl. So as the day progresses I will have to decide or maybe one of them will decide for me and flake.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2422440]It IS good -until it isn't. Some of us take longer than others to get to that "isn't" phase, but it almost always gets there. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Here's the thing. You have to marry up. If you marry a girl who is equal to you in income / wealth, you will not lose ground in a Divorce. I know many people who married high earners or wealthy girls. If you are a productive guy and have a good career yourself, even if the rich ***** has a prenup you will leave with your own goods.

Most often, guys like us in the Bowl are well to do if not wealthy, and we are usually the one girls are targeting to improve their financial status, or to flat out support them for ever and always -'til death do you part. Don't ever take on a girl who brings nothing to the table but pussy. She eventually ages, gets tired of your needs,becomes unattractive,doesn't need your consent anymore and you are on the hook. Once the Government has you in the system you are toast .

Listen to me brothers. Marriage is fun and fine with a girl you love for the moment. It might bring you many years of joy. But NEVER, EVER marry below your financial status.[/QUOTE]Fred, I have heard wiser words but I just cannot remember when LOL thanks for the insight. JTW.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2421184]Exactly. I tell any young guy I know not to get stuck and controlled in the system by getting married.

The true test if a woman that is sincere is to get her to agree to a marriage without the state. If she balks then you know she knows the game (system) and wants that control of you and your assets. Most American women know the game. The men need to wise up more, and not wait until they are caught in it.

I've thought about opening a website helping those guys that are married that want out, and exit the most efficient way possible given their state laws. And tudor those unmarried guys what NOT to do by getting caught up in the judicial system. There are ways to maximize your loss of assets by getting out.

I would never ever get married again. Why would I want to give up control of my life? Screw that.[/QUOTE]I have found that marrying an Asian woman (especially Filipinas) works best. They are conservative, young, hot and puts YOUR needs first. Of course, there are lots of scammers and you have to do your research and not pick the first one. Put them thru the test and see if they pass.

I posted a report about two weeks ago. Any advice for a traveling SD. I frequently travel to a particular area about every two to three months. The last visit I completely striked out.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2422314]I'm in the valley as well, been on SA about 2 years, have gotten to the FC with about 20 girls in that time, most I ever paid was 150, my default right now is 120, and I have more than I can get to.
Sure I get rejected or ignored by a lot of them but there are plenty who are cool with that ball park. If they're not, move on.

Generally they are in the 7 face 8 body range, although my current fave is an 18 year old latina who is a 9/8/8/9 spinner. If you are exclusively after the perfect 10 blonde ASU sorority girls, yeah, you're going to pay more.[/QUOTE]I've sent the perfect 10's messages but I try to stay with just slim / athletic (real athletic not the chunky pretenders) girls in general most have been 7+ like I said though I just started out, glad I wasn't low balling, been going for 100 but negotiating up to 150 max so far. I found another website with similar topics on SB's but its more regional to another part of the country and after reading most of this one they need some guidance LOL, seeing their post talking about offering $$$ for an hour. Glad I am not in that region.

[QUOTE=Falar;2423043]I posted a report about two weeks ago. Any advice for a traveling SD. I frequently travel to a particular area about every two to three months. The last visit I completely striked out.[/QUOTE]I travel a fair amount for my work. Lots of times my schedule doesn't allow for play time, but when it does, I do try and pre-plan and start one or two weeks out before my trip sending out requests. Like all efforts in the SB world, it is a numbers game. Except your odds are even worse than when on your home court. My success rate is probably around 50% as far as finding someone to meet me, but around 90% trips to the FC when I succeed in getting a meeting. Here are my steps which may or may not work for you:

1. I focus on the verbiage in their profiles. I look for phrases like "open minded", "short-term arrangement", "just looking for fun" or anything that indicates they're not looking for a committed one-SD type relationship. I usually bypass any that say looking for only 1 SD.

2. My style for all my SBs is very respectful and laid back. This applies to my travel SBs as well, but I try and be a bit more obvious. My message usually includes an offer for dinner and I say something like, "If we really connect, perhaps a night cap back in my room Of course at that point a gift would be in order. " This makes it clear that she may get dinner, but won't get paid unless she ends up back in my room for some fun intimate times.

Don't expect to find someone to take you up on your offer every time. Obviously larger cities and markets have more SBs, therefore your odds are better. You may be surprised at your results though. I met a lady in New Orleans that turned into a three year relationship where we saw each other a few times a year. In Dallas I lucked into a duo that was one of the most incredible experiences of my life. It's definitely worth the effort if you travel a lot. I'm headed to Nashville Monday and am in conversations with one lady now that I hope to land.

My unicorn of traveling SBs though is in my hometown where I grew up. My dad is in a nursing home there. This is in the middle of the state out in the middle of nowhere. There is a major university 30 miles away though. I've been trying for years, upon years to find an SB in that area for my trips there. I've come close a couple of times, but haven't landed one yet. I again have a couple on the hook right now and we'll see if they come to fruition my next trip home.

I hope that helps.

Travelin.

Good hunting!

[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2422361]But it should be pointed out that the government provides several benefits to getting married. Tax, estate, SSN, Medicare, Veteran benefits, etc. So there are legitimate reasons for getting officially hitched that don't necessarily come down to wanting their claws in your goodies.[/QUOTE]I don't see any of what you listed as a benefit except the Veteran Benefits that a wife can take advantage of.

I wouldn't get married for a modest break in taxes.

The Estate, SSN, and Medicare I can't see what benefits you're talking about.

On a side note in my prior post I meant to say "minimize your loss of assets" not "maximize".

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2422440]It IS good -until it isn't. Some of us take longer than others to get to that "isn't" phase, but it almost always gets there. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Here's the thing. You have to marry up. If you marry a girl who is equal to you in income / wealth, you will not lose ground in a Divorce. I know many people who married high earners or wealthy girls. If you are a productive guy and have a good career yourself, even if the rich ***** has a prenup you will leave with your own goods.

Most often, guys like us in the Bowl are well to do if not wealthy, and we are usually the one girls are targeting to improve their financial status, or to flat out support them for ever and always -'til death do you part. Don't ever take on a girl who brings nothing to the table but pussy. She eventually ages, gets tired of your needs,becomes unattractive,doesn't need your consent anymore and you are on the hook. Once the Government has you in the system you are toast .

Listen to me brothers. Marriage is fun and fine with a girl you love for the moment. It might bring you many years of joy. But NEVER, EVER marry below your financial status.[/QUOTE]Good advice.

[QUOTE=JohnnyTheWad;2422764]I have found that marrying an Asian woman (especially Filipinas) works best. They are conservative, young, hot and puts YOUR needs first. Of course, there are lots of scammers and you have to do your research and not pick the first one. Put them thru the test and see if they pass.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. I married a girl from China about 20 years younger than me. Not married now, but I still prefer Asian women over western women.

[QUOTE=JohnnyTheWad;2422764]I have found that marrying an Asian woman (especially Filipinas) works best. They are conservative, young, hot and puts YOUR needs first. Of course, there are lots of scammers and you have to do your research and not pick the first one. Put them thru the test and see if they pass.[/QUOTE]I give a thumbs up to the Filipinas.

I've spent quite a bit of time in the PI, Thailand, Korea, etc. If you want a wife from there that meets your specs I think you really need to go there and find one. Mail orders, etc tend to be scammy.

[QUOTE=JohnnyTheWad;2422764]I have found that marrying an Asian woman (especially Filipinas) works best. They are conservative, young, hot and puts YOUR needs first. Of course, there are lots of scammers and you have to do your research and not pick the first one. Put them thru the test and see if they pass.[/QUOTE]

Had two M&G's yesterday. Keeping them very cheap. Both could have lead to FC if I brought sugar. I had no cash only a debit card. On two dates I spent $. 70 and was pretty proud of myself. One was a real hottie, 5'0" 24 yo, body 8 and face 8. I never dated a girl this short but it should be fun. She was literally selling herself to me in terms of how she'd be a great SB for me. It was pretty hot actually. I got her on her first day sign-up on The Bowl.

After wrapping up my two M&G's I hung out and randomly ran into another chick from SA. She WAS a prospect. Attractive, a bit of a talker and she's a teacher. I could deal with most of this. We went bar hopping and she's pretty adamant about how she's worthy of an allowance and how hot her skills are. I then realized why I never offered her sugar. She's a hot girl with a gut. It's like a hidden gut. You don't expect it till you're hugging around on her. Her stock dropped so quick after that.

SB's fail to understand the level of hot pussy out there. There's no need to tolerate a SB that's trying to nail me down to a price and also has a beer belly. SA should be offering workout plans too.

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Hello all,

Reading some of the posts here have gotten me excited to star on this SD thing. I am off to a good start from reading all of the posts here but I have a question. What does FC mean? I assume it is sex but wondering if there is something else to it.

Thanks DJ.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2421512]But my best guess is that she is on the site for some sugar. I've known a few girls in my civvy dating life that fantasized about being an escort, having sex with a complete stranger they met online, etc. If she is as put together as she says she is, then that might solve the mystery.

At the end of the day though, I suspect she expects sugar for sugar. Why else would she be on a sugar site? She might not be direct in the request, and you may be the kind of guy she would sleep with, even without an allowance, but if it was purely for the sex, I suspect she would post a Craigslist ad, and have her choice of whatever flavor she was into.

Great find and good luck to you.[/QUOTE]I agree, and I speak from experience. Have met a fit woman, college grad in late 30's,no kids, and no financial needs except she has a thing for older men. Strangely enough, I am younger here but still we hooked up and whenever we meet, always have a great time. I do not help her a lot, just a token, but in the past if I pushed it too low, she would blame me treating her like a hooker, vowing never to see me again. She has more money in her bank than me. LOL. She got pregnant several months ago, and we had to take care of it. She definitely was not happy and tried her best not to. Later I tried to make an FWB out of it and we had a big fight and I blocked her number. After a couple weeks we got talking again and after she apologized, we resumed our sugar dating. Now here is where it gets really interesting. Recently she told me she feels bad about it and does not want any money from me. But she is convincing me to give her a baby and promising that she does not want anything from me, will raise on her own, and blah blah. Of course, I am not.

Thing is you can never understand women. My ex GF told me that all women want attention, and even if they say they don't want anything from you, they always do and and will be happier if you are there for them. So don't think too much why she needs sugar, she wants it, and she wants attention too. Give her a good dick and some token sugar, not too low, but not too high either and you may get lucky over time.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2423360]I give a thumbs up to the Filipinas.[/QUOTE]Me too!! Seeing a filipina / white mix for a couple weeks now.

Todays POTS. A 20 year old that's looking for roleplay (the nude). A 23 year old bi mixed girl (smoking hot body). And an older like 27 girl with nice lips. For sure I will meet the bi girl as she is nearby. The 27 looks cool enough but not super tight. The role play girl is sending me endless txts. Not usually a good sign. The bi girl is really pushing to meet tonite and negotiated me up (or tried to) to $.25.. Well worth it if she is as hot as her pics.

Did date #4 with my new daddys girl. So far our dates have consisted of about 70% anal, 20% vaginal and about 10% oral. She just cant get enough from behind. I am definitely going to take a bunch of pics as soon as I can with her. She is down for anything so far.

From the last 3 POTS pics I posted, I am going to meet one tomorrow (the 18 year old), one was a UTR with demands (let her go) and the other is mia so far.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;2423227]I travel a fair amount for my work. Lots of times my schedule doesn't allow for play time, but when it does, I do try and pre-plan and start one or two weeks out before my trip sending out requests. Like all efforts in the SB world, it is a numbers game. Except your odds are even worse than when on your home court. My success rate is probably around 50% as far as finding someone to meet me, but around 90% trips to the FC when I succeed in getting a meeting. Here are my steps which may or may not work for you:

1. I focus on the verbiage in their profiles. I look for phrases like "open minded", "short-term arrangement", "just looking for fun" or anything that indicates they're not looking for a committed one-SD type relationship. I usually bypass any that say looking for only 1 SD.

2. My style for all my SBs is very respectful and laid back. This applies to my travel SBs as well, but I try and be a bit more obvious. My message usually includes an offer for dinner and I say something like, "If we really connect, perhaps a night cap back in my room Of course at that point a gift would be in order. " This makes it clear that she may get dinner, but won't get paid unless she ends up back in my room for some fun intimate times
[/QUOTE]Thanks for advice. I will provide an update, I plan on traveling next month.

So I have been following for 6 months and have been active for the same. There is some great advice on her but thought I would share as Hollywood asked. As we know he does have this down to a science.

I have yet to use the 5 point approach but have had some luck with my banter as it's just casual and seems to work but not at the amazing speed as hollywoods but I am from a different area.

First baby is a 29 year old and is my ATF she is up for all. She was new but very sexual and even want to start a web cam deal and wants me to be in it. No face pics obviously.

Second was a married baby that damn got to close wanted to leave her husband said she was the one for me. Had to go stealth? Next was a college girl a one time deal but still keeps in touch. Still trying to get her back.

Next was a utr but was just into sucking me off.

So now I am talking to to 3 pots and one is still in high school so I I have backed off just to weird and can't seem to get a straight answer. She is 18 and willing to prove it but it's odd as I am a bit older being 49 .

Last but not least I guess this is my question to the board have talked to a few who want an allowance so how do I approach that angle.

Looking for some help. Az.

With a little encouragement from the hot bi (?) girl from 3 posts down (that I sent my intro letter to at 3 pm today), I decided to take her for a light dinner. Picked her up at 8 pm in an upscale part of town. She walked out and was the definition of a spinner. She was about a 7.5/10/9/?. After commenting on how awesome her figure was she mentioned she was an x professional cheerleader. Just moved here from the east coast to pursue her career as a designer. I was a bit hesitant to go anywhere in hollywood on a Saturday night, but I guess the easter weekend slowed everything down and we got right into a nice little japanese place around the corner from her apartment.

We small talked and real talked and it all went very well. She gave me a couple of pecks in the car and was smiling from ear to ear. Date 2 will be straight to the FC as she does need the cash and said she was willing. She gently requested and I agreed that I would bump her sugar to $.25 and also told her I never do that for anyone anymore. But the thought of touching her literally perfect little body won me over (5'5" and 105).

I told her I was a bit surprised at her responding to my $ offer. And I asked her if she had a BF or GF and she said no and that she was super focused on her career and just wanted to occasionally chill with a nice guy and pick up a little extra cash in the process.

Its only 10 pm now, so off to my ATF's to chill and maybe get a BJ as it is that time of the month for her.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2424299]
Its only 10 pm now, so off to my ATF's to chill and maybe get a BJ as it is that time of the month for her.[/QUOTE]My gast is flabbered Hollywood! It is raining pussy in your world. You must be the Bill Gates of the pussy world. You are an inspiration to us all.

A couple of comments catching up from the Holiday weekend.

FC=fuck chamber, welcome new posters!

Asians: Are my dream targets. One of my ATFs was Korean American--a product of the war and a 10/10,size 0 with Cee Cups, across the board. She had an American girl's attitude so was not subservient enough. They are GPS in the DELMARVA area. They are in high demand.

SB #1 40 + and demands coverage. New SB #2 20 + but also demands covers and is a little heavy. I'm still searching for that spinner I can bareback.

AzMagic "Last but not least I guess this is my question to the board have talked to a few who want an allowance so how do I approach that angle.

Looking for some help. Az. " Where are you getting your Pots? Are they random hits IRL / bars, etc? Or are you on SA or other Sugar sites? If you are on Sugar sites the girls are already expecting allowances, and it is all about negotiating the amount. You need to decide what your $ number is and stick to it. It's always a good idea to ask her what she would like to have. At least you will know what the upside is. The other side is Hollywood's approach, and you just put your number out there and she can take it or leave it.

Not having any family obligations today I decided to M&G a petite 18 year old (pictured) kinda far from my house. I got there at noon and spent the next 4 hours with her. She had me treat her to a nice lunch and I got to hear her lifes romance history. At 18 they are usually and hopefully not too long. Hers was very brief. One sexual BF that never got her to orgasm once. A few non-sexual BF's that she says broke her heart. She admitted to masturbating a little just to know what an O was. And she sounded so sweet and innocent telling me about it. As her parents have her under lock and key she can only get out when they are at work during the day. She is not allowed to go out at night yet. We'll see if I can make this work but it won't be easy. She would have to commute by train and bus for at least 90 minutes each way but said she was willing.

I had to drive right past my ATF's on the way home so I stopped by for a makeout session in her bedroom (and that was it) as her mom was home. Nice lady and the first time meeting her. She knows everything about us, so no drama there. Also she was still on her time of the month. It's only been 4 days since we fucked but it seems like 4 months.

The spinner from yesterday has not txted me back yet, which has me a bit mystified as we had a good date. But being from NY and a "career girl", maybe there is some "girl code" back there that says she needs to appear cool and not too needy. The girl today was the definition of needy. While I can appreciate a good sport fuck from a real hottie, what really gets my juices flowing is a sexy needy girl whose biggest desire in life is to please her daddy. I had today's girl laughing and blushing. A totally non sexual date except for the closeness of cuddling in the booth at lunch.

I thought the "I know I am sorta hot for my age MILF" in the booth across from us was going to hurl. But her husband did a great job of never, not even once, take a look at us. I am sure if he did look with anything more than total disgust his SO would have turned off the sex for a month. But he didn't even risk that. He just stared at his plate the entire time we were there. I felt a little sorry for him. But in the end I was just thinking, better him than me.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2425059]Not having any family obligations today I decided to M&G a petite 18 year old (pictured) kinda far from my house. I got there at noon and spent the next 4 hours with her. She had me treat her to a nice lunch and I got to hear her lifes romance history. At 18 they are usually and hopefully not too long. Hers was very brief. One sexual BF that never got her to orgasm once. A few non-sexual BF's that she says broke her heart. She admitted to masturbating a little just to know what an O was. And she sounded so sweet and innocent telling me about it. As her parents have her under lock and key she can only get out when they are at work during the day. She is not allowed to go out at night yet. We'll see if I can make this work but it won't be easy. She would have to commute by train and bus for at least 90 minutes each way but said she was willing.

I had to drive right past my ATF's on the way home so I stopped by for a makeout session in her bedroom (and that was it) as her mom was home. Nice lady and the first time meeting her. She knows everything about us, so no drama there. Also she was still on her time of the month. It's only been 4 days since we fucked but it seems like 4 months.

The spinner from yesterday has not txted me back yet, which has me a bit mystified as we had a good date. But being from NY and a "career girl", maybe there is some "girl code" back there that says she needs to appear cool and not too needy. The girl today was the definition of needy. While I can appreciate a good sport fuck from a real hottie, what really gets my juices flowing is a sexy needy girl whose biggest desire in life is to please her daddy. I had today's girl laughing and blushing. A totally non sexual date except for the closeness of cuddling in the booth at lunch.

I thought the "I know I am sorta hot for my age MILF" in the booth across from us was going to hurl. But her husband did a great job of never, not even once, take a look at us. I am sure if he did look with anything more than total disgust his SO would have turned off the sex for a month. But he didn't even risk that. He just stared at his plate the entire time we were there. I felt a little sorry for him. But in the end I was just thinking, better him than me.[/QUOTE]My overall confidence level has never been higher since I started playing in the bowl. When I am in the grocery line in front of the "I know I am sorta hot for my age MILF" and she looks at me like an old geezer (if she looks at me at all) it gives me great satisfaction knowing that tomorrow morning a 20 yo submissive blonde will be lovingly giving up her back door to make her Daddy happy. Long live the sugar bowl.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2425059]
I thought the "I know I am sorta hot for my age MILF" in the booth across from us was going to hurl. But her husband did a great job of never, not even once, take a look at us. I am sure if he did look with anything more than total disgust his SO would have turned off the sex for a month. But he didn't even risk that. He just stared at his plate the entire time we were there. I felt a little sorry for him. But in the end I was just thinking, better him than me.[/QUOTE]I tell myself every time I'm in public with a SB and we get a look "screw them, I'm having the time of my life", but I have to admit I still get a little self concious about it. Have to work on that.

My squirter just left, it was kinda cool at first but it is getting to be a pain the ass washing the sheets every single time I see her.

Just got home from a 4 week trip, have a few new M&G's planned, I'm looking for at least one new regular. I'm trying to be very specific this go round, looking for a redhead or a 30 something MILF type. I like the 22 year old's best, but thought I would just see if I can pull one.

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2425129]My overall confidence level has never been higher since I started playing in the bowl. When I am in the grocery line in front of the "I know I am sorta hot for my age MILF" and she looks at me like an old geezer (if she looks at me at all) it gives me great satisfaction knowing that tomorrow morning a 20 yo submissive blonde will be lovingly giving up her back door to make her Daddy happy. Long live the sugar bowl.[/QUOTE]Same here bro. When I am in the arms of my ATF or feeling my new church girl cum from a good ass fucking, my spirits couldn't be higher.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2425059]Not having any family obligations today I decided to M&G a petite 18 year old (pictured) kinda far from my house. I got there at noon and spent the next 4 hours with her. She had me treat her to a nice lunch and I got to hear her lifes romance history. At 18 they are usually and hopefully not too long. Hers was very brief. One sexual BF that never got her to orgasm once. A few non-sexual BF's that she says broke her heart. She admitted to masturbating a little just to know what an O was. And she sounded so sweet and innocent telling me about it. As her parents have her under lock and key she can only get out when they are at work during the day. She is not allowed to go out at night yet. We'll see if I can make this work but it won't be easy. She would have to commute by train and bus for at least 90 minutes each way but said she was willing.

I had to drive right past my ATF's on the way home so I stopped by for a makeout session in her bedroom (and that was it) as her mom was home. Nice lady and the first time meeting her. She knows everything about us, so no drama there. Also she was still on her time of the month. It's only been 4 days since we fucked but it seems like 4 months.

The spinner from yesterday has not txted me back yet, which has me a bit mystified as we had a good date. But being from NY and a "career girl", maybe there is some "girl code" back there that says she needs to appear cool and not too needy. The girl today was the definition of needy. While I can appreciate a good sport fuck from a real hottie, what really gets my juices flowing is a sexy needy girl whose biggest desire in life is to please her daddy. I had today's girl laughing and blushing. A totally non sexual date except for the closeness of cuddling in the booth at lunch.

I thought the "I know I am sorta hot for my age MILF" in the booth across from us was going to hurl. But her husband did a great job of never, not even once, take a look at us. I am sure if he did look with anything more than total disgust his SO would have turned off the sex for a month. But he didn't even risk that. He just stared at his plate the entire time we were there. I felt a little sorry for him. But in the end I was just thinking, better him than me.[/QUOTE]"But in the end I was just thinking, better him than me. " LOL I can just picture that poor bastard. Dude, seriously. . . . you need to do some (novels) writing, this is good shit. Carry on LOL.

I been messaging with this one for months. Obviously a hottie. Supposed to meet me later this week. Still no txts back from my two M&G's over the weekend. Ones I thought went well. But who knows. Glad I have a couple regulars and an ATF. It usually takes me about 6 months to find the next regular. If I stumble on to 2 or 3 in a year I am lucky. One reason I hold on to them for so long. This game is tough on a budget.

In 7+ years of sugaring, my current ATF, who has been the least expensive (so far just under a $ a date after 50 dates) is the most loyal and dedicated. Although many claimed to be in love and even proposed marriage she is probably the best overall girl I have been with so far.

Well, I will no longer recommend SA. I had just signed up for another month when out of the blue my account was suspended and apparently deleted. When I contacted customer support to find out what was going on, they tried to tell me that I was using my account for commercial purposes and they had proof of it in my message outbox. When I denied any such thing, they simply replied that my account was gone for good. I've been on that site for over 2 years, have paid for a month of premium membership on several occasions, even paid to have my background verified. For them to just pull the plug completely on my account for ridiculous reasons is customer service at its worst. I didn't even have 24 hours of access this time around when they suspended and deleted me. So I basically paid 70 for them to kick me off the site. Terrible, terrible way to run things.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2426110]Well, I will no longer recommend SA. I had just signed up for another month when out of the blue my account was suspended and apparently deleted. When I contacted customer support to find out what was going on, they tried to tell me that I was using my account for commercial purposes and they had proof of it in my message outbox. When I denied any such thing, they simply replied that my account was gone for good. I've been on that site for over 2 years, have paid for a month of premium membership on several occasions, even paid to have my background verified. For them to just pull the plug completely on my account for ridiculous reasons is customer service at its worst. I didn't even have 24 hours of access this time around when they suspended and deleted me. So I basically paid 70 for them to kick me off the site. Terrible, terrible way to run things.[/QUOTE]Very odd. I don't think I would stop in the quest of finding out what they are talking about. They didn't say specifically what the violation was?