"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2411933]Attractiveness in the sugar bowl is based on the following factors: (you might differ with the order).

1) allowance offered.

2) appearance.

3) age.

4) personality

And I agree about age. I would never date anyone IRL older than 30 if I were single.[/QUOTE]You addressed my caveat with your last line, but just wanted to point out that someone's marital status also weighs into the consideration of some babies as well. For some it ranks high, for others it is a non issue. In my time in the bowl though, I have encountered a few babies for whom it was a major problem.

For a SD who is single and has the ability to put in the time committment to have a m&g or FC session on a random Wednesday night, I suspect your success rates will be higher. Of course some babies won't care, but I have found that more of the high end, high quality babies do take this into consideration (e. G. Non utr / non pro).

Having an SO has the potential to seriously cramp ones success rates.

So. I finally have a good story to tell. I went on an M&G with a 19 year old AA girl about 5'5" and 105-110 lbs. A real spinner. I had to pick her up from her moms house, so I parked a block away and she walked down to the car. I could see that hot spinner body coming towards me in those skin tight jeans and I was like OMG.

As soon as she got in the car we went straight to a quiet spot where we immediately started making out and my hand went straight for her pussy OTC. That lasted a few minutes until I had her take her jeans off and started what turned out to be an hour long session of amazing kissing and wild fingering. I say wild only because about half way through I finally dropped my drawers and got one of the best BJ's I have had in a while. I could have cum in minutes if I wanted to.

Instead I held back as she leaned over from the passenger seat to DT me over and over. Since her pants were already down I started fingering her from behind with my right hand as I had easy access. Prior to that she was clamping down on my two finger action so hard I thought my fingers were going to get crushed. But now she was so hot I managed to vigorously finger her with my pinky, ring and middle finger all in her pussy and my index finger deep in her ass. Have lube will travel. I didn't really need it but applied more than a few drops to step things up a bit. She had to be home at a certain time so I told her to let me CIMWS to finish up, which she happily did. It was so hot. Lots of daddy talk and role play right from the get go.

She has a respectable job in her field of choice and backs that up as a sophomore at a decent school studying for a professional degree in the same field. She is a keeper for sure. I could have easily just dropped her off and paid her on the first "real" date in the FC. But I was so happy I slipped her the $ anyway. Her reply was "wow, I can't believe I am getting paid to just have a good time". I wanted her experience to be 100% memorable. And it was for both of us. She said she had never been fingered in her ass before and loved it. At one point I had two fingers in there just to see if there was any future potential for anal. I told her I couldn't wait to fuck her in the ass on our next date.

Earlier in the evening I had the 18 year old white rocker chick whose pic I posted a couple days ago saying she wanted to surprise me by going straight to the FC on our first date, which she was saying could be right then, but then she asked for $$$ for the privilege which I declined. So that confirmed my selection of the AA spinner for last nites first date.

But I was periodically txting her throughout the nite and explaining why it had to be for a $. So once I zipped up and took home my new spinner I txted her again and said I could come by just to meet if she wanted. She agreed and only lived about 5 minutes away from girl #1. I wasnt really worried about her smelling the other girl on me as she wore no perfume and there was no pussy smell in the car. I had to get her from her parents so I just parked down the street and waited. Up walks this 8 quality 18 year old pretty white girl in a black mini skirt. A bit larger than my ideal at about 5'7" and 125. She hops in and we just drive around the corner and park in her very clean suburban neighborhood. It was already 11 pm so it was dead quiet.

We immediately started to makeout and my hand went straight under her skirt. I just moved her panties aside and started to finger her. She wanted things a little gentler than girl 1 so I backed off a bit, lifted her skirt up to her waist, had her spread her legs for daddy and then lowered her tank top sans bra so I could suck her see cup titties. I then went back to fingering her to two O's and then we stopped and talked for a bit. She said she was a one of a kind girl. I asked her why and she said she was a recent graduate with a 4. 9 GPA and was going to Harvard in the fall.

There was no reason to have her try to get me off as I was more than satisfied by girl 1. She then asked me how it worked. I told her as soon as we had sex I would start paying her the $ a date. She said that whatever I gave her was fine and that she was just bored and wanting an older guy to hang out with. So I gave her a kiss goodbye and told her maybe she could come over tonite.

Girl #1 was a 7/9/10/10 and girl two was an 8/8/9/7. Girl one was totally hot and sexy but girl 2 was a more beautiful white girl that most guys would rather have, even if her skills were less. I did go down on both of them just to get a better idea of what they were like. OTC the white girl was a hot looking hipsterish chick. But UTC the more average looking black girl had the better tasting, more suckable, wetter pussy and ass, hard erect eraser head nipples and was an awesome kisser with great head game. I know I am going to have a new SB with the AA girl. The white girl would have to really step up her skills to hit that level. I may see her tonite anyway. For sure I will being seeing the AA girl by the weekend. After 5 months my ATF is finally going to get a run for her money.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2411996]You addressed my caveat with your last line, but just wanted to point out that someone's marital status also weighs into the consideration of some babies as well. For some it ranks high, for others it is a non issue. In my time in the bowl though, I have encountered a few babies for whom it was a major problem.

For a SD who is single and has the ability to put in the time committment to have a m&g or FC session on a random Wednesday night, I suspect your success rates will be higher. Of course some babies won't care, but I have found that more of the high end, high quality babies do take this into consideration (e. G. Non utr / non pro).

Having an SO has the potential to seriously cramp ones success rates.[/QUOTE]I'll tell you what, being in the bowl, has really a kind of bitter sweet aura about it. It makes me cling to time and really want it to stop moving. Why? Because having young beautiful pussy almost on demand is so incredible, it makes you savor any bit of youth you have left. It makes you rethink every single angle you took in the past for, "it's all about the nookie" we gents all have inside us. You realize at some point down the road, it will end. Age, failing health, can't get wood anymore, loss of income, or so on. I think that is something most men just naturally accepted as they entered their 40's and definitely by their 50's, but not anymore. So you get this revised and continuing sense of still being in the game, in the hunt and this disallows the normal mental progression to happen.

I do not know what the prime age range might be for being in the bowl. I think it's a case by case thing and each girl views an older man a little differently. Some really want and desire it and even need it, some, it turns their stomach, for most, they are in that, "yes you are old enough to be my dad, but go ahead and see if you can win me over, I'm curious" state. If I had to pick, I would say being in your 30's is too young, 40's pushing it, 45-55 is probably the prime age most of these girls might target. Also how you carry yourself and connect. Some want a true "daddy" role and you to act overly distinguished and mature. Others prefer you to act at their level and relate like some free spirited boyfriend who just happens to be older. I can play both roles. And believe me, I can adapt and role play to their needs very well. It's part of the game.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2411996]You addressed my caveat with your last line, but just wanted to point out that someone's marital status also weighs into the consideration of some babies as well. For some it ranks high, for others it is a non issue. In my time in the bowl though, I have encountered a few babies for whom it was a major problem.

For a SD who is single and has the ability to put in the time committment to have a m&g or FC session on a random Wednesday night, I suspect your success rates will be higher. Of course some babies won't care, but I have found that more of the high end, high quality babies do take this into consideration (e. G. Non utr / non pro).

Having an SO has the potential to seriously cramp ones success rates.[/QUOTE]OK, any other suggestions all?

Male Attractiveness Rating scale:(MARS) allow 3 points each 1=bad 2=average 3= good.

1) allowance offered. 1-2-3.

2) appearance 1-2-3.

3) age. 1-2-3.

4) personality 1-2-3.

5) marital status 1-2-3.

6) availability 1-2-3.

5 12 18.

Results: 5=stick with escorts 12 =moderate chance of success 15=take your pick.

See where you might fit in.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2412153]OK, any other suggestions all?

Male Attractiveness Rating scale:(MARS) allow 3 points each 1=bad 2=average 3= good.

1) allowance offered. 1-2-3.

2) appearance 1-2-3.

3) age. 1-2-3.

4) personality 1-2-3.

5) marital status 1-2-3.

6) availability 1-2-3.

5 12 18.

Results: 5=stick with escorts 12 =moderate chance of success 15=take your pick.

See where you might fit in.[/QUOTE]You left out the most important thing.

So I am assuming this is at the pre-M&G POT level.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2412162]You left out the most important thing.

So I am assuming this is at the pre-M&G POT level.[/QUOTE]I agree, things like Sexual prowess (girls these days feed off that) kinkiness level (every one I've met thus far had some level of desire to be kinky) cock size, stamina, etc. I guess all this could be grouped into another category, but the general thought process with most of these girls, is if they are going to fuck us, they might as well enjoy it themselves. Of my 12 or so SB, each one has been into rough dominate sex on some level and enjoy a deep hard pounding by a guy who can give it to her good. Etc. I think the "soft" sensual type women generally are not wired for the bowl in the first place.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2412162]You left out the most important thing.

So I am assuming this is at the pre-M&G POT level.[/QUOTE]Yes! For each guy honestly evaluating his chance to be successful as an SD. You tech and number savvy guys can take this bare bones quiz and turn it into a psych profile. We can come up with a VENUS scale as well.

1) presence (or absence) of a vagina -20 pts 0 to 20 =can be an SB.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2412194]Yes! For each guy honestly evaluating his chance to be successful as an SD. You tech and number savvy guys can take this bare bones quiz and turn it into a psych profile. We can come up with a VENUS scale as well.

1) presence (or absence) of a vagina -20 pts 0 to 20 =can be an SB.[/QUOTE]Let me tell you this has been my biggest pet peeve lately. So far I only got tricked once but realized my mistake at the door. But these "gurls" need to fess up. I just don't see how it benefits anyone. And I do believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I also believe in the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth as far as sexual orientation is concerned. And chicks with dicks isn't my thing.

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This one recently contacted me and and agreed to my $. "she" has a profile on SA. I am over 90% sure of her gender at birth. And not desperate enough to even ask. The only girl I did ask turned out to be a bio-girl. Kind of embarrassing except we did end up in the FC

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2412244]Let me tell you this has been my biggest pet peeve lately. So far I only got tricked once but realized my mistake at the door. But these "gurls" need to fess up. I just don't see how it benefits anyone. And I do believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I also believe in the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. As far as sexual orientation is concerned.[/QUOTE]Anyone have any experiences with seeing a Trannie? I must confess, I would love to see a female with incidental parts to check off the bucket list. Unfortunately, most pics I see are obvious males with implants. I had a M&G with one years ago and being strongly in the hetero court felt that any activity would be a homosexual encounter and not having sex with a beautiful girl with outdoor plumbing. So I passed.

Met with POT#3, 26 y/o 10/9/?/? for breakfast this morning. Things progressed and we were hitting it off quite well. After deciding we were comfortable and attracted to each other, we started to discuss sugar. Well, that could have gone better, but it wasn't a total disaster. This is a typical classy young lady out of college a few years. Works free lance as a para legal but does not always have steady work, hence she has turned to SA as suggested by a friend who has had some success there. Anyway, I make an initial offer of $200 as I figured that $150 would not fly with her and would make me look cheap. She says she was really looking for $400. I told her that was just too far out of my budget. She then counters with $250. I think for a minute and then agree to it. Now, it is still a bit out of my comfortable zone. But this girl was so amazingly hot that I decided I would spring for it just to take the test ride. I also reasoned that I have had SB's in the past that I have given $200 to, then paid another $45 for the SS. So with her hosting, this really wasn't a bad deal.

We leave the diner and go back to her place. A nice 1 bedroom apartment in a garden apartment complex. Thankfully, she is a neat freak. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have been to far too many of their homes that are basically dumps because they can't put anything away or clean. This was the opposite. We started with some lfk that quickly turns into dfk. I could tell just from how that went I was probably in for a treat today. And boy was I right. This girl is a sexual animal with probably the best body I have seen in the last 10 years. She is heavily into tats, which you can't tell by the way she dresses on the street.

Now we are naked and on her bed. I go down for some very sweet and responsive DATY. She is in heaven. She tells me the same thing I hear from many young girls. Guys her age have no clue how to eat pussy. So for you young guys, master that and you will have these girls doing whatever you want them to. After she orgasms twice, she tells me it's my turn. Holy fuck, can this girl suck cock. I blow load #1 right down her throat, which she gleefully swallows.

We talk a bit about things while I recharge, and then she goes down on Daddy's cock again. I could have just let her do that all day, but I needed to get into that sweet pussy of hers. You can see how much she enjoys giving head, but I need to get to the next step. She throws on the cover and hops on. Very tight and had to slowly work it all the way in, gasping a few times. Now I'm no Johnny Holmes, just a bit larger and thicker than normal, so that shows how tight this girl is. She slowly works into a really good rhythm. After what seemed like a very long time, I'm ready to deliver load #2, so she hops off and again it's delivered in her mouth.

I thought we would be done but after a bit of recharge time, down she goes again. She sucked it like a champ again and when I was ready, we went doggy this time. What a view. I'm also learning she is a bit submissive and likes it a little rough. I was just "testing" some things out today and got some very good responses to some rough play. Each time I will push the envelope a little more to see how far she will go.

3 Hours later, 3 loads dumped, I was driving home a very happy Daddy. This one turns out to be 10/9/10/10. 5'4", 110 lbs. , beautiful see cups, not an ounce of fat on her.

I may have to cut back on my other SB's I have to be able to see this one on a regular basis. Yeah, sometimes SA does work out.

On another note, the Ebony MILF has gone silent on me. Guess she wasn't impressed with me, LOL.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2412249]Anyone have any experiences with seeing a Trannie? I must confess, I would love to see a female with incidental parts to check off the bucket list. Unfortunately, most pics I see are obvious males with implants. I had a M&G with one years ago and being strongly in the hetero court felt that any activity would be a homosexual encounter and not having sex with a beautiful girl with outdoor plumbing. So I passed.[/QUOTE]I had a friend years ago that dated trannies every once in a while. He said it was fun and exciting. I only took his word for it as I have no interest in a chick with a dick. To each his own I suppose.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2412264]3 Hours later, 3 loads dumped, I was driving home a very happy Daddy. This one turns out to be 10/9/10/10. 5'4", 110 lbs. , beautiful see cups, not an ounce of fat on her.[/QUOTE]We are all so lucky on here. I read all my local threads and have only come across 2 guys in my area that although they only do pros, they are pros at finding some really hot girls for reasonable rates. But that still doesn't compare to posts like this one above.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2411868]Glad to hear you about your success. As a cautionary note, you may be at a point in your career where you don't feel the need to advance further, but a professional headshot makes it much easier for a jilted baby to track you down. Especially if you're using it, or one similar to it, on your linked in profile.

While you may be in a profession that doesn't care about whether you play in the bowl, I doubt any employer wants to have their workplace disrupted with jilted babies showing up angry in the middle of the work day. Also, while your career aspirations may not be affected now, your aspirations may change in the future. IMHO, getting random babies to the FC is much easier than rebuilding a career or trying to fix ones professional reputation (unless you're a career politician).

I am sure you already considered all this, but as a cautionary tale to other younger brothers, I wanted to provide food for thought. It also probably helps that based on your prior posts, you seem to be willing to provide an allowance that is five to ten times the norm in the mid-atlantic (please correct me if I'm wrong but I vaguely remember you mentioning that you had pulled out wars of hundred dollar bills to cover an allowance). Nothing wrong with that, but again, it may be that much of your success may also be tied to your generosity on top of adding the professional headshot).[/QUOTE]Hey! Really appreciate your perspective here and you're right in my career path I'll definitely need to be more cautious. I initially thought I made the photo private on the upload. I started noticing more views and inbox messages. That's when I decided to keep it up. I'm likely going to remove it at this point. I have enough POTs now than I have time for.

As far as the high payment. I went overboard. I charged it to The Bowl lessons. I really liked that spinner, she was my first SB and is still around. It's becoming more of a GFE. I also would like to add that I've been to the FC most times with $0 and just dinner. I rationalize that it makes up for some of the screwups I made just starting out. Screw ups like booking a hotel and getting stood up.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2412268]I had a friend years ago that dated trannies every once in a while. He said it was fun and exciting. I only took his word for it as I have no interest in a chick with a dick. To each his own I suppose.[/QUOTE]Never known one and I have no interest in it. I would even say a tranny by definition can't a sugar-baby, they're a sugar-buddy. I wish all of that type of play would keep their lifestyle on completely separate websites where those that want that sort of thing can go to find it, while keeping it out of the way of those like me who find it off-putting.

One of my peeves today with porn-tube sites is that it seems these tranny vids get intermingled with vids of the real thing, and clicking one by accident results in an image you quickly want to forget. I don't judge other people's lifestyle as long as they don't impose it on me, but to me the whole tranny-thing is the ultimate turn off.

They say those in the LGBT scene are born the way they are and can't help it. I guess I can't help being born a hardcore heterosexual.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2412539]Never known one and I have no interest in it. I would even say a tranny by definition can't a sugar-baby, they're a sugar-buddy. I wish all of that type of play would keep their lifestyle on completely separate websites where those that want that sort of thing can go to find it, while keeping it out of the way of those like me who find it off-putting.

One of my peeves today with porn-tube sites is that it seems these tranny vids get intermingled with vids of the real thing, and clicking one by accident results in an image you quickly want to forget. I don't judge other people's lifestyle as long as they don't impose it on me, but to me the whole tranny-thing is the ultimate turn off.

They say those in the LGBT scene are born the way they are and can't help it. I guess I can't help being born a hardcore heterosexual.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree with this post more. And in fact I believe Jackson has very stringent rules about even mentioning these topics on his website. It's one of the things that will get you banned faster than anything else. This website and all its content is about pussy and pussy only. And while I have nothing against anyone in their chosen lifestyle, I think we should keep the topic related to true sugarbabies in here.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2412541]I couldn't agree with this post more. And in fact I believe Jackson has very stringent rules about even mentioning these topics on his website. It's one of the things that will get you banned faster than anything else. This website and all its content is about pussy and pussy only. And while I have nothing against anyone in their chosen lifestyle, I think we should keep the topic related to true sugarbabies in here.[/QUOTE]You're right, I never noticed the vag-only policy, but I'm damn glad it's there.

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[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2412446]We are all so lucky on here. I read all my local threads and have only come across 2 guys in my area that although they only do pros, they are pros at finding some really hot girls for reasonable rates. But that still doesn't compare to posts like this one above.[/QUOTE]BTW HWG, I would like to thank you for giving me not only pointers but motivation to ramp up my game. Your posts are probably more valuable to the brothers here than you realize. I think everyone has contributed valuable advice here. When we post about our experiences, there is always someone who learns something. I know I had a pretty good game going before I stumbled onto this thread, but you and several others have helped me to hone my trade with the ladies. It's all about having a game plan and being confident you can deploy it. The young lady today passed a comment between rounds that what she found so attractive during our time at breakfast was how I presented myself as a confident man who knew exactly what he wanted. She said she was wet sitting there talking to me. After thinking about this, I have realized that it separates us from the 20 something guys that these girls are always having to deal with. Unlike us older gents, they are not confident and do not express a desire and means to take care of these girls. She also surprised me between the 2nd and 3rd round when she told me most of the guys she has been with are one and done. In essence, the girls really are looking to be fucked hard and taken care of. We are doing this to satisfy needs that are not being taken care of at home. In some respects, these girls are doing the same thing.

This is the strangest M&G I've had. I'd been exchanging messages, then email and text for a few days with a SB. She's 20, student, face 9, body 7. Really nice girl. We decide to meet up for a quick lunch. She explained she has family in town and our lunch date had to be brief. We talk and start going over experiences, I mentioned I was prior military and apparently she was a military brat. We're hitting it off. She then tells me that her family knows that she's out at lunch with me. I'm not flustered or anything, I just thought this was different. Especially being our first meet and all. There was no discussion on an allowance. Finally, we were ending things and she mentioned that her father would like me. She actually wanted us to meet.

Am I the only one that finds this strange? I look rather young for most guys my age (late 30's). What's the angle here guys?

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2412704]BTW HWG, I would like to thank you for giving me not only pointers but motivation to ramp up my game. Your posts are probably more valuable to the brothers here than you realize. I think everyone has contributed valuable advice here. When we post about our experiences, there is always someone who learns something. I know I had a pretty good game going before I stumbled onto this thread, but you and several others have helped me to hone my trade with the ladies. It's all about having a game plan and being confident you can deploy it. The young lady today passed a comment between rounds that what she found so attractive during our time at breakfast was how I presented myself as a confident man who knew exactly what he wanted. She said she was wet sitting there talking to me. After thinking about this, I have realized that it separates us from the 20 something guys that these girls are always having to deal with. Unlike us older gents, they are not confident and do not express a desire and means to take care of these girls. She also surprised me between the 2nd and 3rd round when she told me most of the guys she has been with are one and done. In essence, the girls really are looking to be fucked hard and taken care of. We are doing this to satisfy needs that are not being taken care of at home. In some respects, these girls are doing the same thing.[/QUOTE]Back in the day when I worked at great expectations, one of our biggest catch phrases was that we were going to find them a "good fit". Kind of a double entendre that everyone got. But a very true statement none the less. Sometimes that fit is only in the FC and sometimes its more. What I like about sugaring is that an only in the FC arrangement is considered just fine for a lot of these girls. Until it's not. LOL.

People can have very full lives but be missing the type of sexual intimacy that makes it all worth getting up at 6 am for. Now the ability for everyone to have that, minus the drama and commitment that was usually a part of the deal is in the past for those willing to make the extra effort. It's not dead and buried by a long shot. But not a requirement to have a steady supply of what most alpha males need to function and stay balanced. Thank god the days of SW's, call girls and "private mens clubs" are no longer a necessity to be able to help achieve that balance. God bless the Internet.

I seriously doubt there is a high school girl today that doesn't watch porn or know what a sugar baby is. In the distant past women were "hysterical" and then came BC and the womens movement. But that still didnt clear up the mystery of how to find good sex or even what good sex was. Now a girl can watch it and find a partner to emulate it. I think I died and went to heaven. And you know what they say. Heaven is a place on earth.

And BTW I had a great relationship game before I came here, but thats it. I was never without pussy. But it was the same pussy over and over till I found the next one. But the dating game is relatively new to me. So 30+ years of steady relationships and maybe 8 years of dating. What I have learned here is invaluable. The key to success is always to take the tried and true foundational principles from those who came before and then put your own spin on it. Orthodoxy in the corporate world, the church or even AA has always given me a sense of confidence but I was never totally comfortable until I made it my own.

I am new to SD / SB business, my week 3 - but loving it.

After hanging out with the professionals, I finally decided to take the SA route and it has been great for me.

Just a summary:

* Yes, some ladies canceled the night of, or stood me up. Oh well, shit happens.

* Yes, I met one scammer. She got the money and then a knock on the door. Shit.

* Met a beautiful, 20-year old, green eyed beauty. Has job issues, kid issues, money issues. She just needs money ALL the time, not a long-term thing. However, She let's me fuck her without a condom and has a tight pussy. I am afraid I am falling for her. Oh no, no.

* Spent a night with a nympho. Wholly shit. I pumped cum in her raw pussy three times.

* Young AA with the biggest tits: she keeps bugging to see me again. She squirted and soiled my sheets. Nevr saw that before. She wants daddy cock bad.

* 40+ wife who didn't have sex with the hubby for 11 years. I "popped her cherry" . She came 5-6 times, I don't know, and she fucked me and deep-throated me relentlessly.

* waiting for a 19-year old to show up tomorrow morning at 8:00 AM. Chance of hitting that pussy: 90%.

After being shit on by the wife for 20+ years, this is like heaven.

I just hope I can afford this for a long time.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2412764]I am new to SD / SB business, my week 3 - but loving it.

After hanging out with the professionals, I finally decided to take the SA route and it has been great for me.

Just a summary:

* Yes, some ladies canceled the night of, or stood me up. Oh well, shit happens.

* Yes, I met one scammer. She got the money and then a knock on the door. Shit.

* Met a beautiful, 20-year old, green eyed beauty. Has job issues, kid issues, money issues. She just needs money ALL the time, not a long-term thing. However, She let's me fuck her without a condom and has a tight pussy. I am afraid I am falling for her. Oh no, no.

* Spent a night with a nympho. Wholly shit. I pumped cum in her raw pussy three times.

* Young AA with the biggest tits: she keeps bugging to see me again. She squirted and soiled my sheets. Nevr saw that before. She wants daddy cock bad.

* 40+ wife who didn't have sex with the hubby for 11 years. I "popped her cherry" . She came 5-6 times, I don't know, and she fucked me and deep-throated me relentlessly.

* waiting for a 19-year old to show up tomorrow morning at 8:00 AM. Chance of hitting that pussy: 90%.

After being shit on by the wife for 20+ years, this is like heaven.

I just hope I can afford this for a long time.[/QUOTE]Congrats on all the good action. I would, however, caution you on the bareback sex. Aside from the obvious STD issues, I would really be concerned that some of them are looking for you to be a baby daddy. If you are doing this raw, I would hope you have been clipped. That can be something that can cause you to lose 1/2 of what you own really quick. You get one of these girls pregnant and something bad is going to happen. I would also suggest you figure out a budget you can afford for this and pretty much stick to it. When you over extend it does not take long to empty the pockets. Also, NEVER give up the sugar until the end. If they want it up front then they have exposed themselves as being UTR not a SB. If they insist on it up front, do not be afraid to walk. You can avoid the scam that way.

Be careful and be safe.

Brothers,

We need a shorter version of the five-step we can text.

' just saying.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2412842]Brothers,

We need a shorter version of the five-step we can text.

' just saying.[/QUOTE]Honestly when girls reply wanting to txt. I just tell them they have to email me. It's easier to keep track of the girls, and also for me personally, I find I need every word in those steps so as to be as concise as possible, but yet still convey enough message to get the desired response.

Is it just me or does Baroness strike anyone else as being the Bowl Version of Luscious Leah?

I have confirmation from a DC monger that after initial contact, she will let you know shee is P4 P at $400 a session, without stating the length of the session. Happens to coincide with her pro hourly rate and several of the pics on her website look amazingly like some of her SA profile pics.

Regarding the discussion on the tranny issue I'll pass. It does turn my stomach a bit. I'm going to Thailand next month on business and pleasure. That is the Tranny capital of the world. I'll have to be more aware, as the she boys are good at fooling you with their looks.

A lot of good reading from yesterday. As I'm reading eveyones experiences and advice I couldn't help but think how valuable that information is for the young whipersnappers on here. It's like going to school for them. I'm no youngster, and I still find myself learning a few things. Great forum.

Based on your prior posts, it sounds like a lot of the women you are meeting on SA are more interested in dating you, rather than being a SB. She probably threw out the offer to meet the parents as a way to show you that she has ideas that she sees more potential for you than just as a SD.

Nothing wrong with that, but you may want to make your expectations for what you want with her clear, unless of course you really are interested in meeting her parents.

IMHO, and from prior experience, when expectations are not communicated and set up front, things can go badly. Always remember that a lot of these girls have some level of mental issues. Heck, even when expectations are established up front and are set, things can go badly.

Regardless though, sounds like you have the ability to appeal to these sbs on multiple levels, and that is always a good thing. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2412715]This is the strangest M&G I've had. I'd been exchanging messages, then email and text for a few days with a SB. She's 20, student, face 9, body 7. Really nice girl. We decide to meet up for a quick lunch. She explained she has family in town and our lunch date had to be brief. We talk and start going over experiences, I mentioned I was prior military and apparently she was a military brat. We're hitting it off. She then tells me that her family knows that she's out at lunch with me. I'm not flustered or anything, I just thought this was different. Especially being our first meet and all. There was no discussion on an allowance. Finally, we were ending things and she mentioned that her father would like me. She actually wanted us to meet.

Am I the only one that finds this strange? I look rather young for most guys my age (late 30's). What's the angle here guys?[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better myself. That being said, I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to bareback some of these young ladies. When they do the stripper slide, or are begging to have me rub it on them uncovered, its damn near impossible to not slip right in.

So basically, listening to the big head isn't so much fun. Maybe later down the line when I get to that point in life where I decide that there isn't much to lose, I'll listen to the little head more? Getting older has both upsides and downsides. One of the major upsides is that once you've acheived everything you wanted to acheive, its a lot easier to just live in the moment.

Of course therein lies the rub. Since often times the high acheivers are never satisfied, and even when they are, the physical ability or ones situation in life makes living in the moment or enjoying certain activities, that much more difficult.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2412834]Congrats on all the good action. I would, however, caution you on the bareback sex. Aside from the obvious STD issues, I would really be concerned that some of them are looking for you to be a baby daddy. If you are doing this raw, I would hope you have been clipped. That can be something that can cause you to lose 1/2 of what you own really quick. You get one of these girls pregnant and something bad is going to happen. I would also suggest you figure out a budget you can afford for this and pretty much stick to it. When you over extend it does not take long to empty the pockets. Also, NEVER give up the sugar until the end. If they want it up front then they have exposed themselves as being UTR not a SB. If they insist on it up front, do not be afraid to walk. You can avoid the scam that way.

Be careful and be safe.[/QUOTE]

With the end of March comes the report. It's been a quiet a month with other real life events taking precedent and the need to keep the SO off my scent. As previously mentioned, I had been working two pots to try to add them into the rotation. More details on that later, but long story short, things are not going as planned.

SB7 had been in touch earlier in the month begging for dates. Attractive young spinner, with very low maintenance and dating requirements. Unfortunately, with the exception of a great BBBJ, she is a bit of a dead fish in bed. I had to push back on a few of her earlier date requests to make time for the two pots I was trying to add to my rotation. She has since gone dark. Although out of fairness to her, I contacted her for a late night FC session request after things went south with a pot. I had considered putting her on retainer (e. G. Throwing a little cash her way) to make sure she stays available for me in these kinds of situations, but decided that her level of skill in the FC isn't worth it. Especially in light of my limited availability and the amount of new girls that join SA every month.

Had two sessions with SB8. Sex with this one is intense. The last session was a multipop extravaganza. Things got so loud that the neighbors in the room next to us called the front desk to ask her to keep things down since they have children. After the second round she was begging me to take her bareback. And while I took advantage of that by rubbing myself on her in every possible way, I decided against it since I don't need anymore children.

Pot 1 was lined up for a FC trip. I was very excited since the night before, she indicated that we were definitely on the same page. Dinner reservations were set and hotel prices in the area dropped the night of the FC. Two hours before we are set to meet for dinner, she cancels. Her excuse was that she changed her mind about that we agreed to when we talked about it at the prior m&g. She wanted more than double the agreed upon date allowance. Funny thing is that I have regularly provided the allowance she was requesting, but sent her the thanks but no thanks email response, wished her luck, and told her to contact me if she ever changed her mind. In my opinion, I prefer not letting a pot start from a position of negotiating power, and will not let them use third vag as leverage. Besides, if she doesn't want the allowance I am going to give to her, there will be others that will be more than happy to take her place. As always I had not booked the hotel so the only thing lost was the minor expense of the prior m&g.

After the last minute cancellation, I turned to pot 2 and set up a date with her. It turned out to be an even bigger mistake. We had previously agreed to a hotel date with private time together, and so when she said she was available last minute for dinner, I thought we were off to the races. Took her out and as the meal is ending, she gets an emergency text from a friend. I was irritated, since I had made it clear that I wanted some private time, but decided to let it go. As we are leaving though, she asks for some financial help, and "promises" to see me the next day. I let her know that I am happy to help her, and will give her her allowance after having some private time like we agreed. She says that she can be available later that night and should be able to take care of the emergency her friend is in within an hour.

At this point, with so many red flags, I know that I should have walked, but my time away from my SO is precious and I didn't want to waste the evening. I give her the hotel address and let her know that the option is hers. She arrives at the hotel an hour later, and I book the room. What a mistake. We get to the room and relax a bit. I open a bottle of wine, and she gets comfortable watching tv. In order to move things along, I offer a massage and begin to strip her down. The top comes off, but next thing I know she is telling me that she has her period. I let her know that there are plenty of other things we can do.

Long story short, the night ends with me having blue balls (ergo the last minute call and text to SB7 that went unreturned). Pot 2 texted with an apology for the lack of intimacy later, and I have made it clear that if she wants to be a part of the rotation, she will need to prove herself. She has asked for a redo on our private time, and I have countered with initial requirements that she first send me pictures of herself that please me, and then will require a car date. The only saving grace of the night was my decision to cut the allowance I gave to her so significantly that it was what I would have spent on a lap dance at a club.

I know, some of you will wonder why I gave any sugar at all, but I wanted to avoid a public meltdown at the hotel and at least I got to play with her exposed jugs. Besides, I have informed her that if she wants the rest, she will have to earn it. Giving her someting proves that I am not a deadbeat, leaving open the possibility that she may make it in my rotation in the future. Granted, I'm not sure that I want her in my rotation anymore, but for a nominal amount, she may be nice to have around in case of a future flake. I like to keep all options open.

On a final note, the night of double dissappointment, I went back through my roladex and messaged a few pots that I didn't have time to follow up on. I have a new pot in play. A tall busty brunette. She is in her upper 20's, and has been on SA for years. This leads me to beleive she may have a few miles on her, but based on her pics she is hot. Working on setting up the m&g to see where this one goes.

Happy hunting fellahs.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2413192]Couldn't have said it better myself. That being said, I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to bareback some of these young ladies. When they do the stripper slide, or are begging to have me rub it on them uncovered, its damn near impossible to not slip right in.

So basically, listening to the big head isn't so much fun. Maybe later down the line when I get to that point in life where I decide that there isn't much to lose, I'll listen to the little head more? Getting older has both upsides and downsides. One of the major upsides is that once you've acheived everything you wanted to acheive, its a lot easier to just live in the moment.

Of course therein lies the rub. Since often times the high acheivers are never satisfied, and even when they are, the physical ability or ones situation in life makes living in the moment or enjoying certain activities, that much more difficult.[/QUOTE]Noticed this is pretty common with some younger SBs. One my first M&Gs lead to FC shortly after cocktails. This girl was begging me to bareback. She was even trying to rub me inside. She keep telling me she wanted me to cum inside her. Enticing as it was I passed. I grew up in the Magic Johnson era of HIV, which probably decreased my volume of sex over the years. Maybe nowadays the SBs see it different. I can recall a few that were not insistent on strapping up.

"Am I the only one that finds this strange? I look rather young for most guys my age (late 30's). What's the angle here guys?" Hoya.

You are date material since you are within that 15 yr window. One of the brothers had that same circumstance and when he broke it off the entire family was pissed. Do not EVER meet the family. Young SDs have a big advantage over us old geezers since the attraction factor is more natural in the order of things.

Car dates: Several of you report car dates. Hollywood, what type of car works for a satisfactory experience? The one time I did it the girl was skitzy and I was anxious as well. I can just see the headlines now. "prominent businessman caught exposing himself in the church parking lot ".

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2412704]BTW HWG, I would like to thank you for giving me not only pointers but motivation to ramp up my game. Your posts are probably more valuable to the brothers here than you realize. I think everyone has contributed valuable advice here. When we post about our experiences, there is always someone who learns something. I know I had a pretty good game going before I stumbled onto this thread, but you and several others have helped me to hone my trade with the ladies. It's all about having a game plan and being confident you can deploy it. The young lady today passed a comment between rounds that what she found so attractive during our time at breakfast was how I presented myself as a confident man who knew exactly what he wanted. She said she was wet sitting there talking to me. After thinking about this, I have realized that it separates us from the 20 something guys that these girls are always having to deal with. Unlike us older gents, they are not confident and do not express a desire and means to take care of these girls. She also surprised me between the 2nd and 3rd round when she told me most of the guys she has been with are one and done. In essence, the girls really are looking to be fucked hard and taken care of. We are doing this to satisfy needs that are not being taken care of at home. In some respects, these girls are doing the same thing.[/QUOTE]Surprising and valuable things I've learned since entering this game.

1. Treat the girls respectfully, BUT NEVER BE SOFT. You need thick skin in this game. If you are the type of man who kowtowers to young pretty women, you will get eaten alive, extorted, blackmailed, threatened and potentially ruin you life.

2. There are girls who lie about BC out there and have no issue with becoming knocked up.

3. Most of, if not all these girls want rough and very dominate sex. It's almost as if they have some desire to be "punished".

4. All of them in their own right have serious mental issues. Or, in all likelihood, they would never been looking for a SD.

5. It's surprising how many of these girls truly want an experience and have fantasies about being pleasing to an older man. Not all of them are in it just for the money, or they take the money as a bonus.

6. Girls these days by age 22 on average have more sexual experience then women have ever had throughout a lifetime in history. They literally know everything and many will do anything.

7. PROTECT YOUR PERSONAL INFOMATION 100% OF THE TIME WHETHER YOU ARE SINGLE, MARRIED, OR OTHERWISE, OR 100% OF THE TIME IT WILL BITE YOU IN THE ASS. IF YOU DO NOT DO THIS, YOU WILL PAY DEARLY FOR IT. HENCE MY FRIEND WHO'S LIFE IS CHANGING FOR THE WORSE AS I WRITE THIS.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2413310]
Car dates: Several of you report car dates. Hollywood, what type of car works for a satisfactory experience? The one time I did it the girl was skitzy and I was anxious as well. I can just see the headlines now. "prominent businessman caught exposing himself in the church parking lot ".[/QUOTE]Obviously bench seats would be best or an SUV. I have a 3 series bmw. Pretty tight fit but I mosty date spinners or petites so not too big an issue. Also I am pretty slender myself so also not a big deal. And I don't normally bang in the car (but I have). But can pretty much do everything else. And usually that is a M&G date. So it saves a little something for date two. But to just makeout, finger the girl and get a BJ its fine. I do my atf in the car (but not fuck) here and there due to logistics. Also this became more common for me when I eliminated M&G's at motels to save money. So for me its the car or the FC (my place) as most girls I see don't have their own. Also 18 to even 25 year old girls dont really have an issue with car dates. Most think its hot.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2413103]Is it just me or does Baroness strike anyone else as being the Bowl Version of Luscious Leah?

I have confirmation from a DC monger that after initial contact, she will let you know shee is P4 P at $400 a session, without stating the length of the session. Happens to coincide with her pro hourly rate and several of the pics on her website look amazingly like some of her SA profile pics.[/QUOTE]If you're referring to the Baroness in Richmond she quoted me numbers of 15 and up. Craaazy.

I do not have the same luck as HWG. My proposals for car dates are generally met with the reaction that I am either too cheap to spring for a room or that the girl is offended. I have had limited success when I make it clear that a car date allows me to be more generous with a sbs allowance. Normally though the added expense isn't worth it though because the difference in savings is cancelled out by the loss of getting one night closer to a free reward night. If a baby wants me to give her everything I would have put to a hotel, then I end up down in the long run. If it keeps a baby I like happy though, the offset is so nominal that I would prefer to keep a good baby happy.

I do use the car date to "punish" a SB. When they do something that requires them to get back in my good graces, the car date is a good way for them to make things up to me. From a time perspective its hard to have an hourlong FC session in a car, which let's me take advantage of a small break from my SO. It's also free.

I have found that the third row bench seat of the minivan is a great place to get a BBBJ. I normally remove the middle row of seats before hand so the girl can kneel appropriately. I tell the SO that I need to go to the big box hardware store to pick up a large load of lumber, etc. Then I pull up the third row seats before meeting the SB. Afterwards when I drive back I leave the Windows open to remove the smell of sex and tell the SO that the big box store didn't have what I was looking for, or just buy it and then return it later (giving me another excuse for a separate trip).

Yes. A minivan. Among all the different uses I have made out if it, this activity is by far my favorite (when I am lucky enough to find a baby who is ok with it).

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2413395]Obviously bench seats would be best or an SUV. I have a 3 series bmw. Pretty tight fit but I mosty date spinners or petites so not too big an issue. Also I am pretty slender myself so also not a big deal. And I don't normally bang in the car (but I have). But can pretty much do everything else. And usually that is a M&G date. So it saves a little something for date two. But to just makeout, finger the girl and get a BJ its fine. I do my atf in the car (but not fuck) here and there due to logistics. Also this became more common for me when I eliminated M&G's at motels to save money. So for me its the car or the FC (my place) as most girls I see don't have their own. Also 18 to even 25 year old girls dont really have an issue with car dates. Most think its hot.[/QUOTE]

Yes. A minivan. Among all the different uses I have made out if it, this activity is by far my favorite (when I am lucky enough to find a baby who is ok with it). (QUOTE).

A minivan. That's awesome!

My $. 02. When I'm traveling (often) its pretty obvious that the hotel is the place to be. However, locally is a different issue.

I kind of divide the local baby world into two parts. Girls I want to spend time with, and girls I want to get me off. There's a lot of the latter and I've been surprised at the number who are ok with a quick BBBJ (just had one, actually, from a decently cute 20 year old for. 6. or maybe I just dreamed that.).

1. You can kinda tell by the profile who is down for car dates / quickies. Pros, the broke single mom, the hippie, MILFs, chubby girls, girls named Tiffany, dancers, waitresses. Then you have the ones who talk about wanting to get to know you, those are the dinner and a hotel types. They tend to be hotter, better educated etc. I have a few of those spread around the country (really only do those while traveling) and typically start at $2-3 for the night, but they always come down if you are cool. And to be honest I've been shocked by the number of quality women who will put out for free after a nice dinner and some drinks.

2. Avoid the ones who mention designer brands (Leboutin et al) and the ones who talk about an allowance in their profile. The best ones out there (IMHO) are the open-minded fun girls who view this as "friends with benefits" and don't want to feel like hookers.

3. The mechanics of the car date. This has been covered in detail elsewhere in this forum, but your best bet is to go somewhere fairly public (church parking lots are a favorite of mine. Yes, I'm going to hell and I'm fine with it) in nice areas of town. Noone looks for prostitution in those areas so people aren't going to pay as much attention. I also only car date during the day, lets me see oncoming traffic and / or people. Its pretty much impossible to get busted unless you are an idiot. Just keep your eyes open.

4. How to get the car date. If you've fucked them before its easy. "I need a little stress relief". If its a first time meet, I throw out something like "wow what a stressful day at work, would love to see you, am sure we can both blow off a little steam" or even something kinda funny like "honestly I'm totally stressed from work and would give a hundred bucks for a 15-minute BJ right now LOL". Then after the first one you come down in price after that to the. 6 range. Believe it or not that line has worked for me many times.

The trick is finding decent girls who just want cash and have an open mind. Some of them like the idea of just taking a few minutes out of their day and making some money. I mean. 6 is what a waitress makes all day.

Got to run. Car date #2 in 30. Bwahahhahahaha.

HC.

I guess to clarify a bit. I use the car date as my M&G date. If they make it to date #2 its in the FC. My ATF is the only exception as this is more of a GF relationship, so really anywhere is fine with her.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2413297]Noticed this is pretty common with some younger SBs. One my first M&Gs lead to FC shortly after cocktails. This girl was begging me to bareback. She was even trying to rub me inside. She keep telling me she wanted me to cum inside her. Enticing as it was I passed. I grew up in the Magic Johnson era of HIV, which probably decreased my volume of sex over the years. Maybe nowadays the SBs see it different. I can recall a few that were not insistent on strapping up.[/QUOTE]I think this is something to be careful of. I'm not thinking the disease angle, but more of the pregnancy angle. The young SB's probably see us as rich, and would be able to pay her a nice some of child alimony ah sorry child support. The courts anymore treat it as child alimony, so a young SB can have a baby on your dollar without working.

So while she's still feeling bad that she caused some hurt, and is dealing with some awkwardness with her friends, things are settling in again with my unicorn. I'm relishing the moment yet working to reign in the amount of distraction she causes.

Had an amazing few hours today with a not-seen-in-awhile three pops from me (her oral is improving) and yet again I lost count for her. To paraphrase a recent PM to me, having a spinner trembling uncontrollably while your face is buried between her legs "makes me feel like the Fucking King of the Universe". Here's another vote for the notion that good oral skills will have them worshipping the ground you walk on.

The surrealty of the bowl was back in full swing. At one point she must have had 3-4 back-to-back orgasms, and was literally gasping for breath afterward. [I]Did I just do that? Who knew?[/I] At one point during a breather, she's leaning back with her head at my chest and the rest of her stretched out down the length of my body. So I'm looking down at this perfection, wondering how the hell this is possible. Not only that I'm lying her naked with her, but that we're resting after sex so intense that she can barely walk. Things are good.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2412715]Finally, we were ending things and she mentioned that her father would like me. She actually wanted us to meet.[/QUOTE]Don't do it. There's no upside to a girl having witnesses.

Had another M&G yesterday afternoon. Found a 41 why / o MILF on SA that is next town over from me. 10/9/?/?. Very petite, actually tiny. 5' and maybe 90 - 95 lbs. , gorgeous brunette, blue eye to die for. Met at a local watering hole for happy hour. Talking with her, I find out she is merely on there for an NSA relationship, not really interested in sugar. She has a good job, so money is not an issue for her. She doesn't have time for the patience for a relationship so she figured this was the best way to find Mr. Right Now. She has always been attracted to older men. I was getting lost in her eyes. We hit it off very well. We are going to meet up again Monday evening and if things go well it's back to her place.

Something she told me made me sit back and wonder. She said I was the only one that did not send her a rude and crude e-mail on there. That I was the only one that treated her with respect. Everyone else talked to her like she was a cheap ****. So, a lesson here guys; Treat them like you would if you are civi dating them. That seems to have paid off for me more than once.

I expect her to be the one to replace my 46 why / o MILF that turned Nando on me. I have gone silent on her. Too bad, she was an absolute animal in bed. Oh well, NEXT!