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Does anyone know anything about this one?
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[QUOTE=OiBeachBum71;7432742]Does anyone know anything about this one?
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/myrtle-beach/female-escorts/caucasian_w/southern-belle-extraordinaire/903760651030[/URL][/QUOTE]* when I saw her post I messaged at 1 am to find out wya & rates got quick response -south myrtle. Duh that's why I asked for what area of South myrtle - 30 min later she responds $400 #hr but I do for $300. Now almost hr into conversation. Again what part of south myrtle?? - then after another 30 min I message I guess you too busy to respond have a nice night. I'm sensing nodding in / out between hits hence sporadic texts. Hr later oh I'm sorry I'm just got into town helping my cousin pack and move here at at s13th motel. But I'm getting a room soon near here. 430 am. 3. 5 hrs after I initially texted she texts. Hey you want to do something? I think she may be Robyn from about 6-7 # months ago who lived up around the 28 th_29th south dump motel from California. ? (I wouldn't pay her more than 40/50 she's got to look 10 xs worse in real life.
Supply NC.
Nasty 38 year old white girl available 24/7 DM me for all her information.
Are below avg in looks and performance, been ran through by hundreds of random dudes are DUMBER than a rock and they want at least 150- 200 $$$ for a half hour of covered lame sex, c'Mon. Guys boycott this Shit, I can eat WELL for 2 weeks on $200, steaks every night,4 course meals at home and not have to go anywhere and all the driving around just to have some empty nonfulfilling exp with a girl that wants rid of you as soon as the $$$ is handed over, these chicks DESPISE Men, Lets stop being led around by our little head, its Pathetic.
[QUOTE=Rackman21;7433908]Are below avg in looks and performance, been ran through by hundreds of random dudes are DUMBER than a rock and they want at least 150- 200 $$$ for a half hour of covered lame sex, c'Mon. Guys boycott this Shit, I can eat WELL for 2 weeks on $200, steaks every night,4 course meals at home and not have to go anywhere and all the driving around just to have some empty nonfulfilling exp with a girl that wants rid of you as soon as the $$$ is handed over, these chicks DESPISE Men, Lets stop being led around by our little head, its Pathetic.[/QUOTE]** last evening one of the gutter sluts called me and wanted to visit me (for $30) I told her I'm not going to get you or drop you off but. If you make your way here I'll go for the $30 full service she was happy to get $30 . Very slow out there. And has anyone else noticed that the quality of blow job has dropped from all I see even last night she asked me if I still enjoy her sucking and I told her it's been terrible past few months not just hers ALL of them. I'm thinking that all the tranquilizer / zylaxine is putting some long term effects because they seem to all have that relaxed energy where once they hit that pipe after it made them alert now the crack just gives them enough energy for a few minutes. Just wondering if anyone else experience the same they just not sucking like before. I even bought a can of black spray sugar food color at store to see if I spray it black will they suck it better!
[QUOTE=BigDawgStyle;7434201]** last evening one of the gutter sluts called me and wanted to visit me (for $30) I told her I'm not going to get you or drop you off but. If you make your way here I'll go for the $30 full service she was happy to get $30 . Very slow out there. And has anyone else noticed that the quality of blow job has dropped from all I see even last night she asked me if I still enjoy her sucking and I told her it's been terrible past few months not just hers ALL of them. I'm thinking that all the tranquilizer / zylaxine is putting some long term effects because they seem to all have that relaxed energy where once they hit that pipe after it made them alert now the crack just gives them enough energy for a few minutes. Just wondering if anyone else experience the same they just not sucking like before. I even bought a can of black spray sugar food color at store to see if I spray it black will they suck it better![/QUOTE]Yes, I would agree. The sucking quality is horrible. Haven't seen a good one so far but I'm still new down here.
I laughed hard though about the black spray paint.
I haven't been able to find the gutter ones yet. I'm not immediately in the area and many times don't want to drive there.
Has anyone have info on this girl?? Thanks, Jtbrown50.
[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/loganlovely[/URL]
[QUOTE=BigDawgStyle;7434201]** last evening one of the gutter sluts called me and wanted to visit me (for $30) I told her I'm not going to get you or drop you off but. If you make your way here I'll go for the $30 full service she was happy to get $30 . Very slow out there. And has anyone else noticed that the quality of blow job has dropped from all I see even last night she asked me if I still enjoy her sucking and I told her it's been terrible past few months not just hers ALL of them. I'm thinking that all the tranquilizer / zylaxine is putting some long term effects because they seem to all have that relaxed energy where once they hit that pipe after it made them alert now the crack just gives them enough energy for a few minutes. Just wondering if anyone else experience the same they just not sucking like before. I even bought a can of black spray sugar food color at store to see if I spray it black will they suck it better![/QUOTE]* As of 2 pm Wednesday one of my favorite sluts now with the bb boyfriend pimps / dealers are very desperate for $$ the dealers / pimps ain't got the money and all their baby mommas ain't got their food stamps the food stores are vacant. Even Walmart on skid row empty the NEW SCAM is when they get in your car (you going to be followed by her bb pimp / dealer in car or moped scooter) she going to try and get you to take out wallet / money then snatch it hand out window (or jump out car like Joscelyn did) to hand off to pimp. I was taking the nasty ass ***** to get burger and shake since she looked so pathetic sitting on ground begging like a dog for a bone. Really disgusting the only reason I fed her was because if I passed her and read later she dead on street I'd feel bad for not feeding. Hey I got a soft spot. BUT rackman 100% right BOYCOTT them all on skip & streets not safe. If they call you on phone make them come to you for the $20'$30 remember they still giving it to the black pimp boyfriend dealer for free $20 should be a blessing to them.
Next time you pick one up remember back when an Escort was a lady, nails hair makeup impeccable. Finest clothing shoes perfumes etc. You could have a real conversation go to a fine restaurant with them the best locations if you went to their place it was immaculate. They didn't do car dates the trash walking on the streets did. Look at their photos and this skank wants 3-4 hundred an hour living in a filthy trailer. Skid row infested motel on south ocean Blvd. with half dozen others all taking turns on the same filthy sheets etc. Really sad.
-- be careful and time to take the game back (I did).
Hi guys. I am visiting and looking to play. I am a connoisseur of the bbj. Is this one truly a throat goat as too many claim? I was not able to search as she didn't have a name in her ad. Appreciate the help.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/myrtle-beach/female-escorts/caucasian_w/843-267-4132-come-get-itthe-th/858984732701[/URL]
[QUOTE=Cumsequences;7435398]Hi guys. I am visiting and looking to play. I am a connoisseur of the bbj. Is this one truly a throat goat as too many claim? I was not able to search as she didn't have a name in her ad. Appreciate the help.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/myrtle-beach/female-escorts/caucasian_w/843-267-4132-come-get-itthe-th/858984732701[/URL][/QUOTE]First of all none of the dope / crack " ladies " smh are worth more than the $20-$30. . . They have the bb boyfriend pimp dealer lurking around and. Who is all the. They in the THEY SAY I'm the best throat goat best ever etc. None of these dried up lying old skanks are going to say. Terrible blow job and dried up pussy & I'm going to rush you out once you give me my money upfront. All the BJ"s have been terrible even from the ones who used to give the good ones due to all the tranq in dope. Now I can't speak for the black broads or Hispanic or Asians since I could care less about them.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/myrtle-beach/female-escorts/exotic/im-here-to-make-you-happyno-dr/533269358297[/URL]
This is the hoe I wrote about last week! She changed her pictures to OLD ones from years ago. Read my post #8741 This is the same Girl! Stay away. Be safe.
[QUOTE=Retired2020;7435557][URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/myrtle-beach/female-escorts/exotic/im-here-to-make-you-happyno-dr/533269358297[/URL]
This is the hoe I wrote about last week! She changed her pictures to OLD ones from years ago. Read my post #8741 This is the same Girl! Stay away. Be safe.[/QUOTE]What she calling herself?
Yes she is the same.
She looks good in pictures But in person sags. She cuts you off and does not let you finish. Also over priced for giving nothing.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/myrtle-beach/female-escorts/caucasian_w/irish-beauty-from-new-england/165104455731[/URL]
Once was enough to learn she is a ripoff.
[QUOTE=TaylorSteve;7437500]She looks good in pictures But in person sags. She cuts you off and does not let you finish. Also over priced for giving nothing.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/myrtle-beach/female-escorts/caucasian_w/irish-beauty-from-new-england/165104455731[/URL]
Once was enough to learn she is a ripoff.[/QUOTE]They all are ripoff they lie about age, old filtered photos etc. Get on board and do the $30/$40 offer Take it or Leave it. Street ***** w skip ad don't make an escort.
** South Ocean Blvd the new Hunts Point. Myrtle Beach.
Finally had the pleasure of meeting this one. Comms were fluid and met at better than decent hotel. Pics are 100% accurate. May be demons but no sign of them at all. Above average flute play but the star of the show is k9. Will definitely repeat again. She's definitely worth her asking donation. Treat her right.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/myrtle-beach/female-escorts/caucasian_w/new-girl/264385416922[/URL]
[QUOTE=Cumsequences;7435398]Hi guys. I am visiting and looking to play. I am a connoisseur of the bbj. Is this one truly a throat goat as too many claim? I was not able to search as she didn't have a name in her ad. Appreciate the help.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/myrtle-beach/female-escorts/caucasian_w/843-267-4132-come-get-itthe-th/858984732701[/URL][/QUOTE]Damn good flute player but obv demons, bad comms and over priced for service. Doesn't like FS. Would much rather flute from start to finish. I don't mind that but wants FS donation for half service. Have to say looks better in person than pics which is rare.
[QUOTE=PeakyBlinder;7437575]Damn good flute player but obv demons, bad comms and over priced for service. Doesn't like FS. Would much rather flute from start to finish. I don't mind that but wants FS donation for half service. Have to say looks better in person than pics which is rare.[/QUOTE]Moon is the older sister of Sky and Storm. Yes, comms are horrible. I agree that her flute play is awesome. All 3 girls actually give awesome head. She agreed to full service before meet but then refused to provide more than head. 2nd best tits in town, of course Savannah has the best. That pussy looks really good. Wish I could have tried it. Lets be real, Sky and Storm also give excellent head and they both are really good fucks. Sky is the most reliable of the 3 girls. Storm is my favorite personality wise, performance wise and looks wise.
I know she has been on here before and she looks fun. Does anyone know anything? PM is fine.
Thanks.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/myrtle-beach/female-escorts/caucasian_w/854-800-9818--me-or-its-free/916829572091[/URL]
[QUOTE=OiBeachBum71;7439159]I know she has been on here before and she looks fun. Does anyone know anything? PM is fine.
Thanks.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/myrtle-beach/female-escorts/caucasian_w/854-800-9818--me-or-its-free/916829572091[/URL][/QUOTE]Due to her RIDICULOUS donations, 120 QV = 10 min. 220 hh 350 $ HR, no way, I can eat for an entire month for 350, this hobby has turned to SHIT. Not even remotely worth these INFLATED prices for a chick that's been ran through by hundreds of random dudes and her pimp for free, and has a face tattoo. Don't be a SUCKER, Boycott these dumb cunts. I'd be afraid I'd stick my DICK in them and lose 10 IQ points by the time I'm done.
[QUOTE=Rackman21;7439385]Due to her RIDICULOUS donations, 120 QV = 10 min. 220 hh 350 $ HR, no way, I can eat for an entire month for 350, this hobby has turned to SHIT. Not even remotely worth these INFLATED prices for a chick that's been ran through by hundreds of random dudes and her pimp for free, and has a face tattoo. Don't be a SUCKER, Boycott these dumb cunts. I'd be afraid I'd stick my DICK in them and lose 10 IQ points by the time I'm done.[/QUOTE]So true. Search "horrycountysc. Gov / departments / sheriffs-office / detention-center / booking-releases" on 5/2/25 and you will see.
Also, wonder why she never smiled in her earlier ads? Her teeth are a real mess! Totally decayed! So sad for someone so young.
Everysingle escort it seems in mb either will waste your time or play games!
Skip the games!! Yea ok, how about play the games and waste your time hahahah. Be safe out there mongers! Most of these girls are either on drugs or just scamming.
[QUOTE=BigJimmy864;7439621]Everysingle escort it seems in mb either will waste your time or play games!
Skip the games!! Yea ok, how about play the games and waste your time hahahah. Be safe out there mongers! Most of these girls are either on drugs or just scamming.[/QUOTE]At the end of the day, it's better to just drive to Hamer and have a great experience. 1. 5 hour drive there, 1 hour there, 1. 5 hour drive back, a total of 4 hours for a great experience. Instead of the crap that is available in MB.
There are a few exceptions in MB that I highly recommend. Strawberry and Precious and Anna (in NMB) are very good to spend time with. Strawberry and Precious both have extensive rap sheets, but nothing recent. Not sure about Anna.
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This girl is normally down in the Holden Beach area. Superb head. She can lick your balls while your dick is down her throat. Most of the ladies just want your money and get rid of you as quick as possible, Heather wants to have some fun too. I can't think of any provider that gets into the play as much as Heather does. She wants to fuck and loves it rough, and if you hit it right she will reward you with another round regardless of the time you requested. If you go see her I promise you will repeat. The head alone is worth the price of admission. Oh yeah, she swallows too.
[QUOTE=BigJimmy864;7439621]Everysingle escort it seems in mb either will waste your time or play games!
Skip the games!! Yea ok, how about play the games and waste your time hahahah. Be safe out there mongers! Most of these girls are either on drugs or just scamming.[/QUOTE]You made the mistake of referring to them as escorts. They are myrtle beaches " thieving skidrow homeless dope & crack ****** " . Not worth $30 on a good day they all doing their pimps dealers & boyfriends for 20 piece or free. They are filthy straight nasty I wouldn't let over 90% pay me to suck me that's how nasty they are.
Everyone needs to Skip. SKIP, and take control of game the stars have aligned and Venus is in retroguard (they the ******, dealers, pimps, homeless & boyfriends) are broke no food stamps the drugs are being cut soooo much since no money comming in. They will take what is offered. Plus cold as a mf outside. Use all to advantage.
* Pussy no longer controls the game. He who holds the dollars does and how many He wants to part with does! . Porn is still Free so rub one out for the next 30 days let all the skanks leave!
[QUOTE=BigDawgStyle;7439800]You made the mistake of referring to them as escorts. They are myrtle beaches " thieving skidrow homeless dope & crack ****** " . Not worth $30 on a good day they all doing their pimps dealers & boyfriends for 20 piece or free. They are filthy straight nasty I wouldn't let over 90% pay me to suck me that's how nasty they are.
Everyone needs to Skip. SKIP, and take control of game the stars have aligned and Venus is in retroguard (they the ******, dealers, pimps, homeless & boyfriends) are broke no food stamps the drugs are being cut soooo much since no money comming in. They will take what is offered. Plus cold as a mf outside. Use all to advantage.
* Pussy no longer controls the game. He who holds the dollars does and how many He wants to part with does! . Porn is still Free so rub one out for the next 30 days let all the skanks leave![/QUOTE]I thought a few might enjoy this Kelsey aka Naomi calls me daily from jail and keeps me up to date on all the totally useless drama behind the walls there such as get this. All these Skip trash broads who demand high dollars for their nasty dirty skank ass pussy literally have NO one to put $1 on their account. Can't make a $.07 / minute call yet they call themselves escorts when you do say 2 minimum $300 dollar tricks a day and you get locked up and you have nothing or no one who gives a rats ass about you. Example don't know if any of you know her. I don't- her name is Sage calls herself Snowbunny she lowered her price in lockup to 4- honeybees iced or glazed accepted. WOW. Just remember this when the retched skippers ask you for top dollar -non negotiable. Your money so $ 30 and if your good ill throw in a honeybun. Stay Safe.
** she just got relisted by skip after 30 days walking the ho stroll on yaupon doing 20+ guys a day at $20/$25 pop paying off pimp dealer. Avoid like plague Avoid letting her in your vehicle. Avoid giving her any money all go to the black boyfriend pimp (w the KFC she always asks to get for her)* don't be the guy that I have to say " I told you so ".
Be Extra Careful. AVOID at all costs.
[QUOTE=BigDawgStyle;7440778]** she just got relisted by skip after 30 days walking the ho stroll on yaupon doing 20+ guys a day at $20/$25 pop paying off pimp dealer. Avoid like plague Avoid letting her in your vehicle. Avoid giving her any money all go to the black boyfriend pimp (w the KFC she always asks to get for her)* don't be the guy that I have to say " I told you so ".
Be Extra Careful. AVOID at all costs.[/QUOTE]Agreed! She was doable a year ago. Now, she is a waste of time and money.
[QUOTE=BoatJock;7441623]Agreed! She was doable a year ago. Now, she is a waste of time and money.[/QUOTE]She had to go to the town charges (linked in with the 3 state drug charges) couple weeks ago here in myrtle at 430 pm. But because I know how she is I told her we had to be in conway 2 pm for court so let's get going. She calls to tell me at 10 am she has no clean clothes and needs a bath & dopesick, I pick her up way down south end and go to Laundromat to wash her clothes aka filthy rags because I don't want that stinking stuff in my home. She gets 2 half grams of crack & dope I tell her not to do because it will knock her out but she don't listen ends up knocked out in backseat of car while I'm in laundry she threw in clothes from her boyfriend pimp to wash. I threw in trash since she passed out. When we get to my place rule is strip naked into shower douche twice spray her down with surgical scuba then wash thoroughly body and that rat nest hair etc. Before she allowed in or on any furniture & clothes worn in trash bag any personal belongings into trash bag too then tie and hang bag by door since don't want her roaches or bedbugs in my home. But she had to do another shot next thing I know it's 2 pm and still no shower so I get her up into shower took her 2 hrs to shower because she has to inject the smoke crack repeat finally she's out of bathroom but not really wet but we got to go I give her new black lace mini dress. She ruined exact same one I previously gave burn holes and blood staines. But she still got to shoot up some more smh get her to court but she didn't like the long line waiting to get in. She's doing fetty shuffle in court line. But we're dressed up we almost last in courtroom take seats she goes right to sleep. She given time served (4 hrs) no fines yet she yelling at me for speaking on her behalf yet she didn't have problem with me speaking on her behalf when judge granted her a 50 k 10 k & 10 k pr bond because I'm to ensure she goes to rehab. Back to the point she looks like complete shit now as you say. The photo of her in black dress 3 weeks ago (smiling). Photos snapped off video later that night how her pussy used to be tight no anymore. Dirty filthy feet in photos, just look at old face features from all the drugs. I don't even want to put my dick in that mouth its scary looking forget about that pussy. I've had to smell what drifts from it and her dirty clothes all the cum & blood & piss & shit not to mention all the crack smoke and she just wants money money money she used to couldn't wait to come stay here because she knew any and everything she wanted to eat was here. It's so sad because she no longer worth saving she is too far gone with all the tranquilizer zylaxine in the dope. Too bad can't post video she wanted me to take she tweekednout on zylaxine don't remember wanted to suck me and 20 seconds into sucking she passed out she sucking air before she fell over when the tranquilizer fully kicked in she was in blackout phase sucking not remember when I showed her video. Hope you like photos all within 30 days.
[QUOTE=BigDawgStyle;7441737]She had to go to the town charges (linked in with the 3 state drug charges) couple weeks ago here in myrtle at 430 pm. But because I know how she is I told her we had to be in conway 2 pm for court so let's get going. She calls to tell me at 10 am she has no clean clothes and needs a bath & dopesick, I pick...[/QUOTE]Why did you subject yourself to this circus? I mean yeah, she's got a pretty little pussy but no pussy is worth all that headache!
There's been a string of "Lexi's" through here. This one shows images of USG reviews from Carbondale, IL in her STG ads but in 10 min of searching I haven't linked her to those reviews outside of her STG post. Doubt she randomly found a "good" Lexi and copied her reviews, but these days nothing surprises me. So that said anyone seen this one or know if she is infact the Lexi from IL?
PSA. Links get taken down all the time. Images really help in the case.
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[QUOTE=BigPussySal;7442136]Why did you subject yourself to this circus? I mean yeah, she's got a pretty little pussy but no pussy is worth all that headache![/QUOTE]* made a promise to someone. Long long story. Remembered her when she was working at certain restaurant. She was going to be abducted by Asian Hong Kong guy she dated 2 yrs ago via dating site where guys want prostitutes (but really to abduct. White slavery etc) because she tells of having no family etc. And I'm the Big Dawg do whatever it takes to protect our white women & children. So she kinda like. I don't even know anymore she used to be worth saving. All kidding aside death is the best thing for her. And yes I'll make sure she has proper burial.
[QUOTE=AnEaglesFan;7442428]There's been a string of "Lexi's" through here. This one shows images of USG reviews from Carbondale, IL in her STG ads but in 10 min of searching I haven't linked her to those reviews outside of her STG post. Doubt she randomly found a "good" Lexi and copied her reviews, but these days nothing surprises me. So that said anyone seen this one or know if she is infact the Lexi from IL?
PSA. Links get taken down all the time. Images really help in the case.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/myrtle-beach/female-escorts/caucasian_w/must-read-my-ad-b4-contacting-/561850037995[/URL][/QUOTE]Just another old dope hag wanting top $$$ when she $20/$40 on best day. Demons demons demons!
[QUOTE=BigDawgStyle;7442466]Just another old dope hag wanting top $$$ when she $20/$40 on best day. Demons demons demons![/QUOTE]I'm not saying you're wrong but I don't think there's 3 girls here in Myrtle that don't fit that description. We do need to stop allowing the "market" to charge those rates but they're nearly all dope hags.
[QUOTE=AnEaglesFan;7442610]I'm not saying you're wrong but I don't think there's 3 girls here in Myrtle that don't fit that description. We do need to stop allowing the "market" to charge those rates but they're nearly all dope hags.[/QUOTE]* I'm sure some will disagree but the only 3 that occasionally post on skip because they don't have to with all their clients are:
Mandy Rhea.
Precious.
Strawberry shortcake / kitten.
And I say this because you can actually go out to a nice restaurant with any of these ladies and have a memorable time. !!
[QUOTE=BigDawgStyle;7442723]* I'm sure some will disagree but the only 3 that occasionally post on skip because they don't have to with all their clients are:
Mandy Rhea.
Precious.
Strawberry shortcake / kitten.
And I say this because you can actually go out to a nice restaurant with any of these ladies and have a memorable time. !![/QUOTE]If Precious is the same one that was around a few years ago I definitely agree, I used to visit with her quite often. Only one I've ever trusted enough to have come into my office. Sadly, though, that one was supposedly booked on some serious drug charges a couple years ago. I didn't think she was back. Am I mistaken and she is back?
Anyone know what happened to that girl that use to go by Georgia peach and said bring your on condoms. Haven't seen her on Skip for a while.
[QUOTE=AnEaglesFan;7442972]If Precious is the same one that was around a few years ago I definitely agree, I used to visit with her quite often. Only one I've ever trusted enough to have come into my office. Sadly, though, that one was supposedly booked on some serious drug charges a couple years ago. I didn't think she was back. Am I mistaken and she is back?[/QUOTE]Booked and sentenced are 2 different things LOL, everyone on skip booked on drug charges multiple times but here in dirty myrtle a serious drug charge means your held for at 60-90 days. She's around and you rarely see her post on skip because she has so many regular clients who appreciate that hot sexy body of hers and what she can do that she doesn't have to post on skip.
[QUOTE=Lilo43;7443104]Anyone know what happened to that girl that use to go by Georgia peach and said bring your on condoms. Haven't seen her on Skip for a while.[/QUOTE]** Georgia Peach is the half sister to evil Emily the thieving *****. Last I heard the Peach is rotten down around Murrells inlet area but the change location like they do their underwear every few days. Her piece of shit father got arrested last week but they all hate each other like Emily & peach. If you've seen them naked you can see the resemblances / ass. Block head. Shoulders.