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[QUOTE=BigComanche;4139394]First, there are a lot of people who would say the same about our hobby, be it AMP or escorts.
Secondly, I will wait to pass judgment until I know more facts. For all I know they simply posted pics under 18 but never told the John they were under 18. If that's the case it could have been any one of us.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure they told the Johns that they were something under 18.
[QUOTE=BigComanche;4139394]First, there are a lot of people who would say the same about our hobby, be it AMP or escorts.
Secondly, I will wait to pass judgment until I know more facts. For all I know they simply posted pics under 18 but never told the John they were under 18. If that's the case it could have been any one of us.[/QUOTE]The caught somebody here once. (look it up, it made the news) After it broke I took the "monger" account apart and read all the PM's and they said it over, and over, and over, and over. Each time they said it they elaborated, this age, then this age runaway, then this age runaway with drug issues. After the third time they moved the pedo off our server on to theirs.
To all the guys who answered the initial "I have a young spinner looking for new friends" post and were told "she's only X old" and who responded with "you are a disgusting pedo and I hope you get caught so you can get raped in jail" were ignored and never contacted again. The only guy who was sent a second PM was the one who answered "she's only X years old" with "even better" was also the only one who they kept talking to.
It never bothered me a bit that he got caught.
[QUOTE=Ronny770;4139502]The bottom right corner black girl advertises on Eros so I guess they monitoring that site now.[/QUOTE]The pigs are on every site. Even this one! It serves that Eros black girl right. Those Eros girls are green as fuck. The police set up the sting in a Fairfield Inn hotel (same hotel I got caught in, in Lithonia) in South Fulton. All 9 of those chic's came to the hotel for a thirsty outcall. Police gave them an offer of $200-$300 hour and none of those thirsty ass chic's could refuse. Serves them right! Besides, your girl in the bottom right corner deleted here Eros ad, so I guess she's now working t ht e daddii's / johns on the seeking arrangement site now. LOL.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/39dae62e-0e27-4d73-ae52-d9a78fa7bd3c[/URL]
[QUOTE=Admin2;4140757]The caught somebody here once. (look it up, it made the news) After it broke I took the "monger" account apart and read all the PM's and they said it over, and over, and over, and over. Each time they said it they elaborated, this age, then this age runaway, then this age runaway with drug issues. After the third time they moved the pedo off our server on to theirs.
To all the guys who answered the initial "I have a young spinner looking for new friends" post and were told "she's only X old" and who responded with "you are a disgusting pedo and I hope you get caught so you can get raped in jail" were ignored and never contacted again. The only guy who was sent a second PM was the one who answered "she's only X years old" with "even better" was also the only one who they kept talking to.
It never bothered me a bit that he got caught.[/QUOTE]Alot of those undercover stings that police do are bait ads. Those fuckers go onto adult chat rooms pretending to be underaged girls and baiting guys into a trap. It's not like these guy's they catch are on teenage chat rooms looking for teenagers These guys are instead in adult chat rooms / sites looking for 18-20 something year old legal aged girls. The fucking pigs place an ad or message random guys, on an ADULT SITE, trying to bait them into soliticing a minor for sex.
They even egg the guys on asking what do you want to do with me. Smdh. I remember in one instance in particular, a guy put a casual encounters ad on craigslist. The police answered his ad telling him that she was a 16 year old girl. No where in this guy's ad did he state that he was looking for underaged girls. He was on an adult dating site assuming everyone on there was an adult. Well, the police got his interest and kept him talking. They then got him to meet up with the 16 year old girl at a park. When he got there he was arrested for soliciting a minor for sex. They baited the hell out of him like a mother, but he should have known better.
Shit, I even have chic's on that sugar daddy site messaging me, then through thorough questioning I find out that they're still in high school. WTF are they even doing on a Sugar Daddy site at that age. A logical person would cease all communications, but that may peak some guys interest to really find out if she's underaged or just saying that to make herself feel good. I never message those chics, but they message me and for all I know they could be some undercover bait. That's pretty dirty luring guys in like that, but that's the dirty games the pigs play.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;4141703]The pigs are on every site. Even this one! It serves that Eros black girl right. Those Eros girls are green as fuck. The police set up the sting in a Fairfield Inn hotel (same hotel I got caught in, in Lithonia) in South Fulton. All 9 of those chic's came to the hotel for a thirsty outcall. Police gave them an offer of $200-$300 hour and none of those thirsty ass chic's could refuse. Serves them right! Besides, your girl in the bottom right corner deleted here Eros ad, so I guess she's now working t ht e daddii's / johns on the seeking arrangement site now. LOL.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/39dae62e-0e27-4d73-ae52-d9a78fa7bd3c[/URL]
Alot of those undercover stings that police do are bait ads. Those fuckers go onto adult chat rooms pretending to be underaged girls and baiting guys into a trap. It's not like these guy's they catch are on teenage chat rooms looking for teenagers These guys are instead in adult chat rooms / sites looking for 18-20 something year old legal aged girls. The fucking pigs place an ad or message random guys, on an ADULT SITE, trying to bait them into soliticing a minor for sex.
They even egg the guys on asking what do you want to do with me. Smdh. I remember in one instance in particular, a guy put a casual encounters ad on craigslist. The police answered his ad telling him that she was a 16 year old girl. No where in this guy's ad did he state that he was looking for underaged girls. He was on an adult dating site assuming everyone on there was an adult. Well, the police got his interest and kept him talking. They then got him to meet up with the 16 year old girl at a park. When he got there he was arrested for soliciting a minor for sex. They baited the hell out of him like a mother, but he should have known better.
Shit, I even have chic's on that sugar daddy site messaging me, then through thorough questioning I find out that they're still in high school. WTF are they even doing on a Sugar Daddy site at that age. A logical person would cease all communications, but that may peak some guys interest to really find out if she's underaged or just saying that to make herself feel good. I never message those chics, but they message me and for all I know they could be some undercover bait. That's pretty dirty luring guys in like that, but that's the dirty games the pigs play.[/QUOTE]Well, ultimately some of those well-meaning guys took the bait and then got caught. If they're truly not looking for underaged girls, they won't jump into that trap.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4142807]Well, ultimately some of those well-meaning guys took the bait and then got caught. If they're truly not looking for underaged girls, they won't jump into that trap.[/QUOTE]Exactly right.
I just hope that they made it clear to the johns that the girl was underage and not just trying to jam them up. Also, the police would have to make it clear that sex would be exchanged for money because in the state of Ga it is not illegal to sleep with a 16 year old. Me personally if a girl tells me she's underage then theres no way I'm going to see her.
[QUOTE=Ronny770;4143843]I just hope that they made it clear to the johns that the girl was underage and not just trying to jam them up. Also, the police would have to make it clear that sex would be exchanged for money because in the state of Ga it is not illegal to sleep with a 16 year old. Me personally if a girl tells me she's underage then theres no way I'm going to see her.[/QUOTE]Exactly right here too.
[QUOTE=Ronny770;4143843]I just hope that they made it clear to the johns that the girl was underage and not just trying to jam them up. Also, the police would have to make it clear that sex would be exchanged for money because in the state of Ga it is not illegal to sleep with a 16 year old. Me personally if a girl tells me she's underage then theres no way I'm going to see her.[/QUOTE]They make it clear. Replied to a CL ad a few months back. It read something like, 'Young girl needs help from older friends. I sent a basic reply, what's up, a brief description. They came right back with, 'I'm only 15. Does that matter to you?
And:
'While the legal age of consent is 16, if the male is 4 years or more older than her it can be considered a form of rape. '.
[QUOTE=Ronny770;4143843]I just hope that they made it clear to the johns that the girl was underage and not just trying to jam them up. Also, the police would have to make it clear that sex would be exchanged for money because in the state of Ga it is not illegal to sleep with a 16 year old. Me personally if a girl tells me she's underage then theres no way I'm going to see her.[/QUOTE]Although the age of consent in Georgia is 16, it's still considered "solicitation of an underage person" under the age of 18 (a serious felony).
I've explained the legal reasons for this "mismatch" at length before, but it's kind of late now; suffice it to say: don't touch any pay for play under 18, ever.
O.
[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;4144032]They make it clear. Replied to a CL ad a few months back. It read something like, 'Young girl needs help from older friends. I sent a basic reply, what's up, a brief description. They came right back with, 'I'm only 15. Does that matter to you?
And:
'While the legal age of consent is 16, if the male is 4 years or more older than her it can be considered a form of rape. '.[/QUOTE]LE isn't stupid. They know the rules and use them. Although I generally hate LE, I applaud their efforts in this regard. Bring the broomsticks out and make them dance deep inside the predators. This would be a great Pay Per View.
[QUOTE=Ozymandias;4145050]Although the age of consent in Georgia is 16, it's still considered "solicitation of an underage person" under the age of 18 (a serious felony).
I've explained the legal reasons for this "mismatch" at length before, but it's kind of late now; suffice it to say: don't touch any pay for play under 18, ever.
O.[/QUOTE]One of the reasons I stay closer to the late mid 20's providers and older.
[QUOTE=Kcdark;4145168]One of the reasons I stay closer to the late mid 20's providers and older.[/QUOTE]I stay with the mid forties and up. Never had a problem.
Just saw a story on WSB Forsyth is making all massage parlors to have both owners and the girls get massage license. Just another step the soccer mom's will go to to see that their Husbands stay full and frustrated. We all want to thank Forsyth County from saving us from the tiny Asian lady gang.
[QUOTE=Worf359;4153519]Just saw a story on WSB Forsyth is making all massage parlors to have both owners and the girls get massage license. Just another step the soccer mom's will go to to see that their Husbands stay full and frustrated. We all want to thank Forsyth County from saving us from the tiny Asian lady gang.[/QUOTE]Has to be about something political or to make somebody look good for something. Pretty sad that they're focusing on this now as a big issue considering some of the other shit that is going on today.
[QUOTE=Zipper34;4154701]Has to be about something political or to make somebody look good for something. Pretty sad that they're focusing on this now as a big issue considering some of the other shit that is going on today.[/QUOTE]Considering the difficulty and flat out racism the Asians face when trying to get a massage license from GA and Kemp was in charge of that before he was elected gov. Shutting down massage stores and trafficking was a major part of his campaign to get elected. Only question I ever have is why is it only the outer burbs targeted and not the actual w houses in Atlanta which seem to operate with impunity?
[QUOTE=IronHorseman2;4158654]Considering the difficulty and flat out racism the Asians face when trying to get a massage license from GA and Kemp was in charge of that before he was elected gov. Shutting down massage stores and trafficking was a major part of his campaign to get elected. Only question I ever have is why is it only the outer burbs targeted and not the actual w houses in Atlanta which seem to operate with impunity?[/QUOTE]Totally wonder about that too.
[QUOTE=Kcdark;4145168]One of the reasons I stay closer to the late mid 20's providers and older.[/QUOTE]Why is it 18 and not 21? Is it based on any scientific fact or is it just arbitrarily set? Is it a church thing? In the older days, when menstruation starts, the girl can marry. I am not advocating anything. Protecting young girls is good.
[QUOTE=Acaryu;4159975]Why is it 18 and not 21? Is it based on any scientific fact or is it just arbitrarily set? Is it a church thing? In the older days, when menstruation starts, the girl can marry. I am not advocating anything. Protecting young girls is good.[/QUOTE]This took me one minute to find: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority.[/URL] Why ask a question that you can answer yourself?
[QUOTE=LuapW;4160848]This took me one minute to find: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority.[/URL] Why ask a question that you can answer yourself?[/QUOTE]I think he was asking how it came about, not that it did come about at some point in time. Most age of majority issues are based on societal norms, then put into effect by law. Note how the legal drinking age in many states long ago was 18 or 19, but is now 21 across the board. Again, based on societal norms or a necessary need for change, not simply voting such change for the hell of it.
[QUOTE=IronHorseman2;4158654]Considering the difficulty and flat out racism the Asians face when trying to get a massage license from GA and Kemp was in charge of that before he was elected gov. Shutting down massage stores and trafficking was a major part of his campaign to get elected. Only question I ever have is why is it only the outer burbs targeted and not the actual w houses in Atlanta which seem to operate with impunity?[/QUOTE]Racism hasn't got a damn thing to do with it. It's about sex and politics, period. And you can throw a dash of that old time religion into the mix too. If these parlors were being operated by green cheese-eating Martians they would still be shut-down targets because they would be offering one thing and that one thing is sex. Asians face such obstacles because they run 95% of the parlors out there, if not more. Their race is irrelevant. The constant is what they offer which unfortunately is still viewed through Puritan colored spectacles whether we like it or not.
[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;4161065]Racism hasn't got a damn thing to do with it. It's about sex and politics, period. And you can throw a dash of that old time religion into the mix too. If these parlors were being operated by green cheese-eating Martians they would still be shut-down targets because they would be offering one thing and that one thing is sex. Asians face such obstacles because they run 95% of the parlors out there, if not more. Their race is irrelevant. The constant is what they offer which unfortunately is still viewed through Puritan colored spectacles whether we like it or not.[/QUOTE]Absolutely correct.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4160932]I think he was asking how it came about, not that it did come about at some point in time. Most age of majority issues are based on societal norms, then put into effect by law. Note how the legal drinking age in many states long ago was 18 or 19, but is now 21 across the board. Again, based on societal norms or a necessary need for change, not simply voting such change for the hell of it.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with your statement!
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4160932]I think he was asking how it came about, not that it did come about at some point in time. Most age of majority issues are based on societal norms, then put into effect by law. Note how the legal drinking age in many states long ago was 18 or 19, but is now 21 across the board. Again, based on societal norms or a necessary need for change, not simply voting such change for the hell of it.[/QUOTE]'In 1984, Congress passed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act, which required states to raise their ages for purchase and public possession to 21 by October 1986 or lose 10% of their federal highway funds. '.
[QUOTE=Acaryu;4159975]Why is it 18 and not 21? Is it based on any scientific fact or is it just arbitrarily set? Is it a church thing? In the older days, when menstruation starts, the girl can marry. I am not advocating anything. Protecting young girls is good.[/QUOTE]Nothing to do with church. It has more to do with the 26th Amendment; when the voting age was lowered from 21 to 18, bringing voting in line with draft age (an issue among anti-war activists of the Vietnam era, namely, if you're old enough to die for the country, you should be old enough to have a say in its policies.) Education reforms and the adoption of the Prussian system of schooling (what we now call "grade school", or grades 1-12) also generate "18" as a kind of resultant number, since most kids incidentally finish grade school at 18.
Before the 20th century, there wasn't really even much of a concept of "adult" versus "child"; little kids could sign contracts, for example.
Age of consent adds another wrinkle because you wind up with this tricky anti-Venn region between "onset of consent" and "onset of adulthood" (16 versus 18 in Georgia). You DO NOT want to get caught playing in this region!
(And yes, some of the best fucking are these girls their first summer out of high school, when they can finally go wild, but you need to VERIFY that shit with absolute certainty!
O.
[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;4161666]'In 1984, Congress passed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act, which required states to raise their ages for purchase and public possession to 21 by October 1986 or lose 10% of their federal highway funds. '.[/QUOTE]The drinking age was at least actually arrived at by analyzing statistics (namely, the outsized proportion of traffic fatalities involving drunk 18-20 year olds.).
O.
[URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/[/URL]
[QUOTE=EastRendezvous;4163316][URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/[/URL][/QUOTE]That's a trip. You'd think a multimillionaire like him would be a little more discreet, like having a monger-minded guy on his staff arrange a hot escort for him instead of getting caught at a cheap CAMP.
[QUOTE=EastRendezvous;4163316][URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/[/URL][/QUOTE]Feels good to know its not just us grubs getting the ole rub and tug.
[QUOTE=EastRendezvous;4163316][URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/[/URL][/QUOTE]It is pretty scary to think that Uncle LEO can wire up a Spa with cameras and sound recording to and then entrap patrons on sex trafficking charges. I wonder what pressure they put on the owners to get them to allow this?
[QUOTE=EastRendezvous;4163316][URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/[/URL][/QUOTE]I just saw this on the NY Times site and my jaw dropped. Looks like all the ladies in this AMP rolled on him. I think the jig might be up for all of us. It might be time to walk away.
[QUOTE=EastRendezvous;4163316][URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/[/URL][/QUOTE]Kraft is 77 y/o, so got to think he could be a bit old and senile at this point. It seems like it would be way too risky for him to go to a public massage parlor like that. If nothing else, he could get blackmailed, but obviously this is even worse to get caught on tape.
He probably just offered an adult woman an extra $20 for a handjob, but of course the media and the public will spin it into him sexually assaulting some innocent girl who was being human trafficked and was a sex slave. Go to the reddit news thread about this. People are so stupid.
However, this case is a good reminder that it is illegal activity and if you do anything illegal (and get caught), those in power can fuck with you as long and hard as they want. I feel bad for the guy.
There is so much federal tax money being spread around to local LE to fight "trafficking" these days, they have to do these kind of busts to keep the money rolling in. Basically all prostitution is being redefined as trafficking. I bet less than 1% of busts include any "real" trafficking. AMPs were probably the safest P4 P venues, but no more. If they can setup cameras and license plate readers, run them for months, that then go out and charge anybody they are able to identify; then we're all sitting ducks. I would strongly recommend a new hobby or at least a different venue.
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;4164220]Kraft is 77 y/o, so got to think he could be a bit old and senile at this point. It seems like it would be way too risky for him to go to a public massage parlor like that. If nothing else, he could get blackmailed, but obviously this is even worse to get caught on tape.
He probably just offered an adult woman an extra $20 for a handjob, but of course the media and the public will spin it into him sexually assaulting some innocent girl who was being human trafficked and was a sex slave. Go to the reddit news thread about this. People are so stupid.
However, this case is a good reminder that it is illegal activity and if you do anything illegal (and get caught), those in power can fuck with you as long and hard as they want. I feel bad for the guy.[/QUOTE]Somebody involved with the sting put his name out there because they recognized him at minimum. Pretty sure he is not the only customer on the videos they have. If you are every tom, dick, and harry they won't put you on the news for the World to see but if you are a Ted Turner, Vince McMahon, Jeff Bezos, or some millionare or billionare who is recognized doing something on the side you will be known to the World with the snap of somebody's fingers. Sad and I feel bad for the guy too.
[QUOTE=Ozymandias;4161798]Nothing to do with church. It has more to do with the 26th Amendment; when the voting age was lowered from 21 to 18, bringing voting in line with draft age (an issue among anti-war activists of the Vietnam era, namely, if you're old enough to die for the country, you should be old enough to have a say in its policies.) Education reforms and the adoption of the Prussian system of schooling (what we now call "grade school", or grades 1-12) also generate "18" as a kind of resultant number, since most kids incidentally finish grade school at 18.
Before the 20th century, there wasn't really even much of a concept of "adult" versus "child"; little kids could sign contracts, for example.
Age of consent adds another wrinkle because you wind up with this tricky anti-Venn region between "onset of consent" and "onset of adulthood" (16 versus 18 in Georgia). You DO NOT want to get caught playing in this region!
(And yes, some of the best fucking are these girls their first summer out of high school, when they can finally go wild, but you need to VERIFY that shit with absolute certainty!
O.[/QUOTE]Well said. Especially the part that said "You DO NOT want to get caught playing in this region!"
[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4164437]There is so much federal tax money being spread around to local LE to fight "trafficking" these days, they have to do these kind of busts to keep the money rolling in. Basically all prostitution is being redefined as trafficking. I bet less than 1% of busts include any "real" trafficking. AMPs were probably the safest P4 P venues, but no more. If they can setup cameras and license plate readers, run them for months, that then go out and charge anybody they are able to identify; then we're all sitting ducks. I would strongly recommend a new hobby or at least a different venue.[/QUOTE]Very true and it's just a reminder to be extra, extra careful in this hobby. The public is overwhelmingly against us too. Most women hate it for obvious reasons, and a lot of loser men hate it too, because of their sexual hangups or other dubious motives. Most people are just stupid and believe all prostitutes are now sex slaves.
But check out the thread on Reddit on the Robert Kraft story and most all of the comments are puritanical:
[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/atjuvg/new_england_patriots_owner_robert_kraft_charged/[/URL]
Hopefully for Kraft it's not him they got on film lapping up that pootang right after a customer made his deposit. Menghi (sp) seems to be go to girl if you ever hit that spa. The amount of taxpayer funds spent on this bust is ridiculous. LE never eplains how cameras were placed but do tell of sending health inspectors in there to check licenses. Prob a safe bet to assume health inspectors placed surveillance devices. I think it's against form rules to post this info, apologies to A2, but it's an interesting look into how LE operates re these busts. Rubmaps was a go to site for them to gather information.
[URL]https://www.scribd.com/document/400267937/Orchids-of-Asia-Day-Spa[/URL]
[QUOTE=TallWilly;4163936]I just saw this on the NY Times site and my jaw dropped. Looks like all the ladies in this AMP rolled on him. I think the jig might be up for all of us. It might be time to walk away.[/QUOTE]Just the opposite. It is time for us to become smarter about what we do and to lift a raised middle finger to the politicians, sex Nazis, and moralizers out there. I'm not going to bash the real police because they are caught in the squeeze too and are just doing what they are told to do. But aside from them, fuck the moralizers who would tell us how to go about our sexual business. Fuck them.
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;4164618]Very true and it's just a reminder to be extra, extra careful in this hobby. The public is overwhelmingly against us too. Most women hate it for obvious reasons, and a lot of loser men hate it too, because of their sexual hangups or other dubious motives. Most people are just stupid and believe all prostitutes are now sex slaves.
But check out the thread on Reddit on the Robert Kraft story and most all of the comments are puritanical:
[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/atjuvg/new_england_patriots_owner_robert_kraft_charged/[/URL][/QUOTE]So they state the girls were sex slaves but they investigated it for eight months? That mean left the girls to be "malnourished and enslaved" for eight months while they got Johns on video? Its all a big circle jerk.
[QUOTE=TallWilly;4163936]I just saw this on the NY Times site and my jaw dropped. Looks like all the ladies in this AMP rolled on him. I think the jig might be up for all of us. It might be time to walk away.[/QUOTE]Not even close but the jig may be up for the cops doing these stings. One of the cops involved in the sting went to the media and told them about him specifically I bet. Cop probably even told them anonymously. I bet the majority of the cops involved in this sting are not happy this got out already and know one of their own at least is guilty for spilling the beans. The jig is up for somebody for sure, and it may end up being up for the cops doing these stings anymore if it pisses enough people off ironically. I think nobody has even been charged or arrested yet in this actually.
[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4164437]There is so much federal tax money being spread around to local LE to fight "trafficking" these days, they have to do these kind of busts to keep the money rolling in ... and charge anybody they are able to identify.[/QUOTE]I have a feeling that the police didn't know who Kraft was when they released the names of the people arrested. (Not everyone follows football. I wouldn't have recognized Kraft's name or picture if someone didn't tell me who he was.) It's great for the local sheriff's department to get all the publicity for busting a "sex slavery" ring and embarrass some poor slobs in the process, but now they've angered a billionaire who is no doubt on the phone with the governor and the senators from Florida. There is now a national spotlight on their sleazy tactics (especially the videotaping) & I imagine the sheriff is getting a lot of pressure to make this go away ASAP.