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[QUOTE=SaintChuck;3530809]I think that DMichaels69 was being sarcastic. I am fairly certain that she didn't give a rusty trombone. However, I am fairly certain that you could get a BBBJ from her. I don't think that she knows what a condom is. LOL.[/QUOTE]Is this actually true? I tried to get her to do that for me, she just gave me a look and said " no way!! ". You guys must really be persuasive.
[QUOTE=JohnJohnson126;3538682]Is this actually true? I tried to get her to do that for me, she just gave me a look and said " no way!! ". You guys must really be persuasive.[/QUOTE]Getting BB options all depends on your miles with that provider and how comfortable they are with you. You may get lucky and find a provider that does not require that many miles but most of the time it takes plenty of miles for them to even consider BB, even then it's not guaranteed. Just be careful, you don't want to end up having to get a bore punch from your doctor.
[QUOTE=JohnJohnson126;3538682]Is this actually true? I tried to get her to do that for me, she just gave me a look and said " no way!! ". You guys must really be persuasive.[/QUOTE]We are not persuasive, we just know the "magic" word.
I drove by AD today, just to check the place out. I spotted a LEO just sitting in the parking lot. Just hanging out, watching.
Hit up AD after Labor Day. Was assigned to Nini. I have never seen her or heard of her before. Claims she has been there 8 months. Thin little thing she is. I went with the hour for the first them at AD. It was an ok massage, but not the best. Wouldn't recommend her for the hour treat. Not enough teasing and not as talented as the other cast members there.
I made an appointment couple days and I drove by AD. I saw LEO sitting by Citgo. , just watching. I left the premise immediately. I'm very sad that my fav place is under surveillance.
[QUOTE=CafeRaceritali;3545679]I drove by AD today, just to check the place out. I spotted a LEO just sitting in the parking lot. Just hanging out, watching.[/QUOTE]
Either that or he heard about the rusty trombone, LOL.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2016;3551179]I made an appointment couple days and I drove by AD. I saw LEO sitting by Citgo. , just watching. I left the premise immediately. I'm very sad that my fav place is under surveillance.[/QUOTE]
New girl never heard of name Lucy let's see how this goes.
[QUOTE=JaySkeet;3565727]New girl never heard of name Lucy let's see how this goes.[/QUOTE]Alright so I went in and was instantly attended by Lucy. Cute af BTW. This is my 2nd experience at an AMP and I'm going to say one of the best experiences at an AMP. I would like to thank the people who gave the tips for AMPs. So first thing is she can understand a little English and speak a little bit, tries to seduce you and calls me babe and tells me how sexy I am or what not as she basically caresses me as you walk into a room. When I got in the room, she closed it right away and at that moment unbuttoned my jeans and helped me undress. Got down to business and gave me a great back massage without a towel. At the turn, still had no towel and went straight to a so what level 1. 5 where I got a HJ and a prostate massage and I'll definitely say, she was great at it considering I've never gotten one or asked for it. 60/40 was the deal no damage at all. She's new there and only started 2 weeks ago. She told me she's 29 years old and has 2 years experience into this. Asked why she decided to give a prostate massage out of no where and she said if you're clean down there, she'd be down for it. Only bad thing about Lucy is her upcharge on TL roaming. Plus $. So that was a no go. So there you go why'all. Hit her up, she's definitely worth it and clean your angus because you for sure will expect something great out of her.
Stopped by here based on everyones reccomendation and I'm glad I did. Fairly certain the girl I drew said her name was Cindy. Fairly young Chinese girl with orangish hair. Pretty good looking. Nice tight body. Massasge was above average. Wasn't afraid to climb up on the table and really use her weight. Zero teasing at all until it was time, then tons of it from the back. On the flip, I unhooked her bra to reveal some pretty nice knockers. Nothing huge, but shapely. Natural. Asked for a beej and she gave me a look like I was a bad boy and immediately obliged. It's been a while since I've gotten a BBBJ at an AMP. I was pretty stoked. Did not CIM, but cest la vie. Afterward she took her time cleaning me up and finished the last 15 min of the massage with the same rigor she started with, climbing up on the table, etc. All in all, it was pretty phenomenal. I asked after FS for next time and she seemed to act like she didn't know what I was talking about. Anyone else have any luck there with that? PM is fine.
It was. 6 for the door and I tipped. 8 for the beej. She seemed very pleased. You may be able to get away with tipping less, but that seemed fair to me.
[QUOTE=JasperNewton;3581318]Stopped by here based on everyones reccomendation and I'm glad I did. Fairly certain the girl I drew said her name was Cindy. Fairly young Chinese girl with orangish hair. Pretty good looking. Nice tight body. Massasge was above average. Wasn't afraid to climb up on the table and really use her weight. Zero teasing at all until it was time, then tons of it from the back. On the flip, I unhooked her bra to reveal some pretty nice knockers. Nothing huge, but shapely. Natural. Asked for a beej and she gave me a look like I was a bad boy and immediately obliged. It's been a while since I've gotten a BBBJ at an AMP. I was pretty stoked. Did not CIM, but cest la vie. Afterward she took her time cleaning me up and finished the last 15 min of the massage with the same rigor she started with, climbing up on the table, etc. All in all, it was pretty phenomenal. I asked after FS for next time and she seemed to act like she didn't know what I was talking about. Anyone else have any luck there with that? PM is fine.[/QUOTE]Not sure if I heard of a Cindy working there. Can anyone else confirm this name?
So these past 2 weekends, I drew Angela and next was Sophia. Both experiences were the same.
Angela took me in the room and watched me undressed and gave me a massage. Started to touch her nice fat ass and while massaging, she started moaning quietly as she knew what was up. On the turn, she kept telling me I was sexy and wen TL while she let me suck on her rack. I then proceeded to get a finger in as she let me and it was just a fun experience with her. Tried to ask her about level 2 but she said maybe next time, which I hope she will. Some people said she's only level 1 with a HJ but for me YMMV.
With Sophia, the exact same thing happened. Started with a great massage and she put her shirt over my head and started rubbing er belly on my head. Everytime the shirt would come off my head, she puts it back inside. On the turn, she goes TL and bends over and I start to suck on them while she's laying down on me as I had a finger in her. Asked fo BBBJ due to many reports here saying she does that, but I guess she wasn't comfortable doing it as I got her for the first time. Next time I'm sure she will give a BBBJ. She then proceeded to give a HJ with A LOT of spit and finished it off.
Like I said YMMV with them. They both told me they think I'm big and sexy considering I'm fit so that could play a role, but who knows? It was a fun experience. For tip, they were even surprised I was tipping. Believe it or not Sophia said oh no it's okay, but I left it on the table after trying to get her to take it. She gave me. 2 back so I ended up only tipping. 4 as for Angela, she only wanted. 2.
How was their English speaking, fluent?
[QUOTE=JaySkeet;3587470]So these past 2 weekends, I drew Angela and next was Sophia. Both experiences were the same.
Angela took me in the room and watched me undressed and gave me a massage. Started to touch her nice fat ass and while massaging, she started moaning quietly as she knew what was up. On the turn, she kept telling me I was sexy and wen TL while she let me suck on her rack. I then proceeded to get a finger in as she let me and it was just a fun experience with her. Tried to ask her about level 2 but she said maybe next time, which I hope she will. Some people said she's only level 1 with a HJ but for me YMMV.
With Sophia, the exact same thing happened. Started with a great massage and she put her shirt over my head and started rubbing er belly on my head. Everytime the shirt would come off my head, she puts it back inside. On the turn, she goes TL and bends over and I start to suck on them while she's laying down on me as I had a finger in her. Asked fo BBBJ due to many reports here saying she does that, but I guess she wasn't comfortable doing it as I got her for the first time. Next time I'm sure she will give a BBBJ. She then proceeded to give a HJ with A LOT of spit and finished it off.
Like I said YMMV with them. They both told me they think I'm big and sexy considering I'm fit so that could play a role, but who knows? It was a fun experience. For tip, they were even surprised I was tipping. Believe it or not Sophia said oh no it's okay, but I left it on the table after trying to get her to take it. She gave me. 2 back so I ended up only tipping. 4 as for Angela, she only wanted. 2.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3587513]How was their English speaking, fluent?[/QUOTE]Not fluent, understandable. Only Lily is the one who is not fluent. I'm translating what they basically said so it is not exactly how they say.
Ad spa today.
BBBJ for a bit.
Didn't ask name.
Daw I cute thick short chick on way out.
I want her next.
Good place.
They need to step it up to FS tho.
Was there last week. Told the woman at the front desk that I wanted a massage from Lucy. She went into the back for a moment then came back out and said she was Lucy, I think that was a lie because she looked like she was in her early 40's not 29. But she had a nice body, cute face, long hair, and pleasant attitude so I went with it. The upper part of a g-string was exposed whenever she bent over. I liked that.
Overall, She did a great job so no regrets.
Table shower was outstanding. Used bare hands like I asked. Hit all the important areas two or three times. Then rinsed me off. Then dried me off. Back to the room. Asked what pressure I liked. I said light to medium. She did a nice Swedish massage on the back for a while then spent a good 10 minutes on light touch teasing. Felt great. On the flip, shirt and bra came off. Breasts were excellent. Natural soft jiggly "C" cups. Did a minute or two of teasing. She then used both hands to work all the stress out of my muscle. Got it real nice and relaxed.
[QUOTE=JaySkeet;3565946]Alright so I went in and was instantly attended by Lucy. Cute af BTW. This is my 2nd experience at an AMP and I'm going to say one of the best experiences at an AMP. I would like to thank the people who gave the tips for AMPs. So first thing is she can understand a little English and speak a little bit, tries to seduce you and calls me babe and tells me how sexy I am or what not as she basically caresses me as you walk into a room. When I got in the room, she closed it right away and at that moment unbuttoned my jeans and helped me undress. Got down to business and gave me a great back massage without a towel. At the turn, still had no towel and went straight to a so what level 1. 5 where I got a HJ and a prostate massage and I'll definitely say, she was great at it considering I've never gotten one or asked for it. 60/40 was the deal no damage at all. She's new there and only started 2 weeks ago. She told me she's 29 years old and has 2 years experience into this. Asked why she decided to give a prostate massage out of no where and she said if you're clean down there, she'd be down for it. Only bad thing about Lucy is her upcharge on TL roaming. Plus $. So that was a no go. So there you go why'all. Hit her up, she's definitely worth it and clean your angus because you for sure will expect something great out of her.[/QUOTE]
I finally visited AD the other night and had a great massage and the finish was ok. I do not remember the name of my attendant because I have no intentions of going back to her if I go next time. She was a bit short and not thin. Really not my type. But strong hands. Now I read somewhere below you folks though these ladies at young chickens (<30). They are not! The one that attended me is in her 40's. I saw 2 others on my way out and they both also look in their 40's. So don't be fool as Asians look much younger than their age. I am not from the area but if you really want to experience Asian beauties for a reasonable price. Check out the philly forum. I know is a bit far but if you ever go to philly, you must read that forum. IMHO, Koreans are more beautiful than Chinese. Just ask your Asian friends.
I got to say, IMO, what's important is how they look. I have seen some 40 year old women that are smoking hot and would put most 25 year old women to shame. But if you mean old "and fugly", I will agree with you 100 percent. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.
[QUOTE=Trav;3599772]I finally visited AD the other night and had a great massage and the finish was ok. I do not remember the name of my attendant because I have no intentions of going back to her if I go next time. She was a bit short and not thin. Really not my type. But strong hands. Now I read somewhere below you folks though these ladies at young chickens (<30). They are not! The one that attended me is in her 40's. I saw 2 others on my way out and they both also look in their 40's. So don't be fool as Asians look much younger than their age. I am not from the area but if you really want to experience Asian beauties for a reasonable price. Check out the philly forum. I know is a bit far but if you ever go to philly, you must read that forum. IMHO, Koreans are more beautiful than Chinese. Just ask your Asian friends.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Trav;3599772]...Now I read somewhere below you folks though these ladies at young chickens (<30). They are not! The one that attended me is in her 40's. I saw 2 others on my way out and they both also look in their 40's. So don't be fool as Asians look much younger than their age...[/QUOTE]Except for the young gal in her early 20's or possibly younger about 1 year ago who was there for a very very short time; the lineup is late 30's or 40's. They spruced the place up nicely.
I had not been in a long while. I got the manager. The massage was very good as was the standard finish. She had to leave the room a couple times to deal with some drama with Lily who always feels she needs to blab outside the door when the massage is going on.
I tried AD a year ago. And was not impressed at all. An older woman (don't remember her name) wasnt into the massage at all. And acted like she was doing me a favor. I tried AD again last Friday and the results were much better. They were busy. But I was greeted right away, and waited in a room for about 10 minutes. No big deal. I got Angela. Very friendly, cute, nice body. One of the best massages I've had in a while. And she was open to touching, without having to ask. Nice finish. I'll definately be back now. Next time, I'll have to ask if there is more on the menu.
[QUOTE=Datsurman;3600472]I got to say, IMO, what's important is how they look. I have seen some 40 year old women that are smoking hot and would put most 25 year old women to shame. But if you mean old "and fugly", I will agree with you 100 percent. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.[/QUOTE]They always look better in a dimly lit room with their hands all over you. I always cringe when I see the mug shots online of women at the AMPs I have visited after they get busted. Yikes!
Stopped by AD and drew someone new to me, Linda. Fantastic strong massage and good standard finish. She has a very pleasant personality and average looks. Thumbs up.
Now I haven't been to AD for good 3-4 months.
Last time was in August and they were busy, didn't wait. I never saw a TS there ever, there wasn't even a stand-up shower. Did things change? I know they are offering a little more than standard HE with going TL and some reported BBBJ and prostate. As far as Lucy goes she's either late 30's or early 40's and she is the manager.
Please let me know if anyone else had a TS there and if they remodeled?
[QUOTE=Datsurman;3598559]Was there last week. Told the woman at the front desk that I wanted a massage from Lucy. She went into the back for a moment then came back out and said she was Lucy, I think that was a lie because she looked like she was in her early 40's not 29. But she had a nice body, cute face, long hair, and pleasant attitude so I went with it. The upper part of a g-string was exposed whenever she bent over. I liked that.
Overall, She did a great job so no regrets.
Table shower was outstanding. Used bare hands like I asked. Hit all the important areas two or three times. Then rinsed me off. Then dried me off. Back to the room. Asked what pressure I liked. I said light to medium. She did a nice Swedish massage on the back for a while then spent a good 10 minutes on light touch teasing. Felt great. On the flip, shirt and bra came off. Breasts were excellent. Natural soft jiggly "C" cups. Did a minute or two of teasing. She then used both hands to work all the stress out of my muscle. Got it real nice and relaxed.[/QUOTE]
I came across a joint I haven't seen posted here so I'm wondering if any one has experience with it. Like with 630 that I posted about I came across this one sort of by accident when I was doing a job the other day. I saw a decent stream of guys going in but no postings here. Makes me wonder. Its right down the block from AD in carol stream.
[QUOTE=HandsomeDan;3620322]Now I haven't been to AD for good 3-4 months.
Last time was in August and they were busy, didn't wait. I never saw a TS there ever, there wasn't even a stand-up shower. Did things change? I know they are offering a little more than standard HE with going TL and some reported BBBJ and prostate. As far as Lucy goes she's either late 30's or early 40's and she is the manager.
Please let me know if anyone else had a TS there and if they remodeled?[/QUOTE]There is no TS there unless they have one for checking unknowns. Seen Sophia there never disappoint yesterday.
[QUOTE=DocDan;3621379]I came across a joint I haven't seen posted here so I'm wondering if any one has experience with it. Like with 630 that I posted about I came across this one sort of by accident when I was doing a job the other day. I saw a decent stream of guys going in but no postings here. Makes me wonder. Its right down the block from AD in carol stream.[/QUOTE]I like going there, two girls working, no shortage on time level 1 . There is a TS there I always have good experience there. I have been going there for awhile nice that it doesn't get too busy except sometimes a monger shows up who talks way too loud and demanding. IDK what is being built up next door but looks like will be open soon hopefully doesn't cause problems. One girl is my favorite has dimple on her cheek very sweet can speak English massage 8/10 looks 8/10 personality 9/10 I know her Chinese name but not sure what she uses for new clients sorry, learn Mandarin like I did LOL.
I've never seen a TS there.
[QUOTE=Delta634;3622181]There is no TS there unless they have one for checking unknowns. Seen Sophia there never disappoint yesterday.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3622561]I've never seen a TS there.[/QUOTE]Hey guess. Sorry this is my first post, been following and thanks to you guys, I found AD. AD has a TS. I've requested it each time to make the MT feel comfortable and know that I am clean. You have to request it, there's no upcharge either.
On that note, I had 2 pops with Lucy the first time I was there and I'll post later with more details. Second time I went there, I drew her again. I was excited but left disappointed. Paid for an hour, was rushed out within 30 min. Sat there for 20 min waiting because some monger was talking loud and trying to flirt with both MT's working. Pretty rude. Anyways was rushed out after 30 min and she wanted a $. Upcharge for CBJ.
1st Time there, 60/80. Had TS, with 2 pops, FIV, BBBJ, FIV, prostate mass, and everything showing. (Incredible).
2nd time there 60/40. Had TS, one pop standard finish because extras started at $. And went up for each one.
I want to say I'd visit again but I felt like they were deliberately trying to hustle me the second time around, especially when she said she remembered me.
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3622561]I've never seen a TS there.[/QUOTE]If you were talking about AD on army trail road where is Cindy and Sophia and now Linda our at, then yes there is a table shower at that location. Last door on the left on the right is the kitchen.
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3622561]I've never seen a TS there.[/QUOTE]Hey. Sorry if this is a bad 1st post. Actually visited AD a few times because of this place. They definitely have a TS, you just need to request it but there's no upcharge. I don't know if I may revisit the place for the following reasons.
Did 2 visits, both one hour. Drew Lucy both times (she remembered me too) and tipped at the end both times.
1st - 60/80. TS, 2 pops, BBBJ, fiv, utc / otc, prostate, pretty good massage and Standard finish. Left happy.
2nd - 60/40 - TS, prostate, mechanical Standard finish, didn't really get a massage. Left unhappy.
The second time they had me wait in the room, I sat there for 20 min waiting because a monger whom just finished wanted to loudly flirt, kept asking them out for drinks, then said he wanted to go again but didn't know who he wanted to be with so he kept flirting. 20 min later we begin finally. She's 5 min into the massage then jumps to upselling. Starting upsell was $. For OTC. I was polite and told her we did 80 for everything last time and she said now it's $. Starting. I opted for standard finish. Was rushed and done.
Not sure if I should give this place one last try or maybe try another place since I've heard zen and the place in streamhood were good too. What do you guys think?
So first time she did BBBJ and second time only offered CBJ for more money than BBBJ?
[QUOTE=Nfc03;3622886]Hey guess. Sorry this is my first post, been following and thanks to you guys, I found AD. AD has a TS. I've requested it each time to make the MT feel comfortable and know that I am clean. You have to request it, there's no upcharge either.
On that note, I had 2 pops with Lucy the first time I was there and I'll post later with more details. Second time I went there, I drew her again. I was excited but left disappointed. Paid for an hour, was rushed out within 30 min. Sat there for 20 min waiting because some monger was talking loud and trying to flirt with both MT's working. Pretty rude. Anyways was rushed out after 30 min and she wanted a $. Upcharge for CBJ.
1st Time there, 60/80. Had TS, with 2 pops, FIV, BBBJ, FIV, prostate mass, and everything showing. (Incredible).
2nd time there 60/40. Had TS, one pop standard finish because extras started at $. And went up for each one.
I want to say I'd visit again but I felt like they were deliberately trying to hustle me the second time around, especially when she said she remembered me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3623240]So first time she did BBBJ and second time only offered CBJ for more money than BBBJ?[/QUOTE]Yea. Sorry if there's a duplicate post by the way. Posted and it didn't show so I assumed it didn't go through. But yes, first time she did more, so I added. 8 for her. 2nd time she wanted a minimum of $. On top of massage fee for anything other than standard. I thought it was weird especially since she remembered me. Think I should give them one more shot?
[QUOTE=Nfc03;3623160]Hey. Sorry if this is a bad 1st post. Actually visited AD a few times because of this place. They definitely have a TS, you just need to request it but there's no upcharge. I don't know if I may revisit the place for the following reasons.
Did 2 visits, both one hour. Drew Lucy both times (she remembered me too) and tipped at the end both times.
1st - 60/80. TS, 2 pops, BBBJ, fiv, utc / otc, prostate, pretty good massage and Standard finish. Left happy.
2nd - 60/40 - TS, prostate, mechanical Standard finish, didn't really get a massage. Left unhappy.
The second time they had me wait in the room, I sat there for 20 min waiting because a monger whom just finished wanted to loudly flirt, kept asking them out for drinks, then said he wanted to go again but didn't know who he wanted to be with so he kept flirting. 20 min later we begin finally. She's 5 min into the massage then jumps to upselling. Starting upsell was $. For OTC. I was polite and told her we did 80 for everything last time and she said now it's $. Starting. I opted for standard finish. Was rushed and done.
Not sure if I should give this place one last try or maybe try another place since I've heard zen and the place in streamhood were good too. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Lucy, the Manager? Based on other recent posts, I'm wondering if there is a 2nd Lucy now? I've seen Lucy the Manager many times over the past year and never experienced any upselling or negotiating.
[QUOTE=Nfc03;3623160]Hey. Sorry if this is a bad 1st post. Actually visited AD a few times because of this place. They definitely have a TS, you just need to request it but there's no upcharge. I don't know if I may revisit the place for the following reasons.
Did 2 visits, both one hour. Drew Lucy both times (she remembered me too) and tipped at the end both times.
1st - 60/80. TS, 2 pops, BBBJ, fiv, utc / otc, prostate, pretty good massage and Standard finish. Left happy.
2nd - 60/40 - TS, prostate, mechanical Standard finish, didn't really get a massage. Left unhappy.
The second time they had me wait in the room, I sat there for 20 min waiting because a monger whom just finished wanted to loudly flirt, kept asking them out for drinks, then said he wanted to go again but didn't know who he wanted to be with so he kept flirting. 20 min later we begin finally. She's 5 min into the massage then jumps to upselling. Starting upsell was $. For OTC. I was polite and told her we did 80 for everything last time and she said now it's $. Starting. I opted for standard finish. Was rushed and done.
Not sure if I should give this place one last try or maybe try another place since I've heard zen and the place in streamhood were good too. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]I am doubting this post. I don't think Lucy does BBBJ.
[QUOTE=ArielDude28;3623833]I am doubting this post. I don't think Lucy does BBBJ.[/QUOTE]The first time she did BBBJ. The second time when she offered CBJ, she pulled out Saran Wrap and was going to use that then told me the upsell. I have no reason to lie. She said her name was Lucy. She looks I and her 40's, not heavy but also not super thin / fit like Angela. I remember Angela was going tobe my MT the first time (her ass is incredible, especially for Asian) I was there but before we began, Lucy came in talking in native. I assumed it was a guy requesting for Angela, cause she left the room and Lucy told me she would do the massage.
You must have seen someone else. Nothing is impossible but I don't see Lucy the mgr playing a tune bare or at all. In my experiences with her there was never any upsell or any negotiating either.
[QUOTE=Nfc03;3623898]The first time she did BBBJ. The second time when she offered CBJ, she pulled out Saran Wrap and was going to use that then told me the upsell. I have no reason to lie. She said her name was Lucy. She looks I and her 40's, not heavy but also not super thin / fit like Angela. I remember Angela was going tobe my MT the first time (her ass is incredible, especially for Asian) I was there but before we began, Lucy came in talking in native. I assumed it was a guy requesting for Angela, cause she left the room and Lucy told me she would do the massage.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ArielDude28;3623833]I am doubting this post. I don't think Lucy does BBBJ.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3624649]You must have seen someone else. Nothing is impossible but I don't see Lucy the mgr playing a tune bare or at all. In my experiences with her there was never any upsell or any negotiating either.[/QUOTE]I have known Lucy since 2015 and I would be shocked if she actually gave a BBBJ. Lucy is the manager and to the best of my knowledge HJ only. I understand that in any situation YMMV, but I have known her for almost 3 years and that option has never been on the menu. SaintChuck.
[QUOTE=SaintChuck;3625040]I have known Lucy since 2015 and I would be shocked if she actually gave a BBBJ. Lucy is the manager and to the best of my knowledge HJ only. I understand that in any situation YMMV, but I have known her for almost 3 years and that option has never been on the menu. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]I'm not here trying to stir trouble. It's the name she gave me though. I figured I'd bring it up to you guys cause rushing me out and upselling was off put to me.