The Prickyard

[QUOTE=Ilapp;2947762]I need to seriously rethink Saturday. Just for the visual.[/QUOTE]It IS a stellar lineup.

[QUOTE=Mwdude;2947667]Seriously. This place is starting to rival fucking eHarmony for most marriages among dating sites.[/QUOTE]I was going to ask you to be my best man.

It would have been SOUP, but it's clear to me that he is a traitor! Oh yeah, and also the fuzz.

[QUOTE=Kyussfan;2948087]I was going to ask you to be my best man.

It would have been SOUP, but it's clear to me that he is a traitor! Oh yeah, and also the fuzz.[/QUOTE]I'd be a horrible best man. History with both brides. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2948263]I spent some time with this UTR tonight and I can verify that Dyoung35 has found us a keeper. I just replied to a regular member that he cannot verify her because I have been with her and she told me that she has not been with any other member since Dyoung35 posted his request / review this morning. I was the only one today up until this post at least.

That being said, the only question I have is. Can we get her invited to the Meet and Greet so everyone else can dream the way I dream? Then you can see for yourself what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]Please send the invitees your home address because the M&G just got moved to [B]Your House[/B]. Are you nuts! Why would you post this question on the open forum without first getting consent from the M&G host or hostess? Hell why would even post this type of question on the open forum at all and not use PM's, e-mails or texts to the planners? Did you approve all the invitees on the list, mongers and providers? Did you set the M&G up? Did you make any posts about the M&G?

I think you get my point! Besides most of the mongers who are attending have never seen a SW. I'm not saying she is bad, unhealthy, a typical SW, but you are making decisions for all involved because you think she is hot! She could be the find of the century, but she has seen TWO people on this board. If it was my M&G you would be on the newly published UNINVITE list!

Please do us all a favor and wait until your little head stops spewing hormones and wait until your big head develops common sense before attempting this type of post again. Oh by the way I put this on open forum, and not through a PM because you did!

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2948484]Please send the invitees your home address because the M&G just got moved to [B]Your House[/B]. Are you nuts! Why would you post this question on the open forum without first getting consent from the M&G host or hostess? Hell why would even post this type of question on the open forum at all and not use PM's, e-mails or texts to the planners? Did you approve all the invitees on the list, mongers and providers? Did you set the M&G up? Did you make any posts about the M&G?

I think you get my point! Besides most of the mongers who are attending have never seen a SW. I'm not saying she is bad, unhealthy, a typical SW, but you are making decisions for all involved because you think she is hot! She could be the find of the century, but she has seen TWO people on this board. If it was my M&G you would be on the newly published UNINVITE list!

Please do us all a favor and wait until your little head stops spewing hormones and wait until your big head develops common sense before attempting this type of post again. Oh by the way I put this on open forum, and not through a PM because you did![/QUOTE]The meet and greet is public knowledge. No harm is done mentioning it here. I did ask in a pm. My mention here was only half hearted reference to something not intended to be the means for receiving a reply. Kind of like an extension of a dream of a perfect scenario if all the ducks lined up. Again, not intended for receiving a public relply.

I am not aware that this UTR is a street walker. I think the original post from dyoung35 mentioned meeting her out somewhere in public. But that doesn't mean she was or is a SW. She would be well known and not a UTR if she were a SW. So, unless dyoung35 clarifies and contradicts her then I assume they met the way she told me her and dyoung met. Her story and his don't contradict each other as far as I can tell.

But, I think a definition of UTR may help also. Some people may have a different understanding and / or different UTRs may have their own rules which define UTR differently. In her case UTR just means no BP ads and no cglist ads. Her only means of going out with others is by references. That may or may not be how others define UTR because I know some define UTR as only a small list of 'already knowns' but not no other referrals. To each his / her own.

To each their own but in some cases, it is best to not piss on the wrong tree (monger). Some trees have roots that run so deep and wide that they can kill anything that gets near them and attempts to piss. No discussion necessary. Take it for what you want.

In terms of UTR, a real UTR is not even mentioned in an open forum period. Any reviews, referrals, etc are all done via PM, texts, or direct word of mouth. Example I have had multiple that have never been mentioned on this forum in anyway. Close friends have seen them from me sharing pics and #s directly to them. Keeping UTR, they also never mentioned them. To me, mentioning them in the open may make them low on the radar but they aint under it.

Sincerely Signed,

The SOUP.

[QUOTE=IndyGuy123;2948562]To each their own but in some cases, it is best to not piss on the wrong tree (monger). Some trees have roots that run so deep and wide that they can kill anything that gets near them and attempts to piss. No discussion necessary. Take it for what you want.

In terms of UTR, a real UTR is not even mentioned in an open forum period. Any reviews, referrals, etc are all done via PM, texts, or direct word of mouth. Example I have had multiple that have never been mentioned on this forum in anyway. Close friends have seen them from me sharing pics and #s directly to them. Keeping UTR, they also never mentioned them. To me, mentioning them in the open may make them low on the radar but they aint under it.

Sincerely Signed,

The SOUP.[/QUOTE]I currently have 2, one 27 and the other 20, and as far as I know, not another person on this board knows anything about them, and considering that they're my type (itty bitty titty committee) no one on this board probably cares.

[QUOTE=IndyGuy123;2948562]To each their own but in some cases, it is best to not piss on the wrong tree (monger). Some trees have roots that run so deep and wide that they can kill anything that gets near them and attempts to piss. No discussion necessary. Take it for what you want.

In terms of UTR, a real UTR is not even mentioned in an open forum period. Any reviews, referrals, etc are all done via PM, texts, or direct word of mouth. Example I have had multiple that have never been mentioned on this forum in anyway. Close friends have seen them from me sharing pics and #s directly to them. Keeping UTR, they also never mentioned them. To me, mentioning them in the open may make them low on the radar but they aint under it.

Sincerely Signed,

The SOUP.[/QUOTE]So now you've provided a third definition of a UTR! .

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2948576]So now you've provided a third definition of a UTR! .[/QUOTE]There's really only one definition of UTR.

UTR operates by word of mouth only. Each UTR is a secret, known only to the select few. When others are offered the opportunity, it is always a private conversation, not a public one.

When someone posts on the open forum, "I found a UTR, PM for details", she's no longer UTR, because she's on everyone's radar.

I hope that clears it up.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2948621]There's really only one definition of UTR.

UTR operates by word of mouth only. Each UTR is a secret, known only to the select few. When others are offered the opportunity, it is always a private conversation, not a public one.

When someone posts on the open forum, "I found a UTR, PM for details", she's no longer UTR, because she's on everyone's radar.

I hope that clears it up.[/QUOTE]Yup! That is the only definition of a UTR.

Sincerely Signed,

The SOUP.

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2948263]That being said, the only question I have is. Can we get her invited to the Meet and Greet so everyone else can dream the way I dream? Then you can see for yourself what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2948548]I did ask in a pm. My mention here was only half hearted reference to something not intended to be the means for receiving a reply. Kind of like an extension of a dream of a perfect scenario if all the ducks lined up. Again, not intended for receiving a public relply.[/QUOTE][B]False[/B] for several reasons. Your first post asked a question and gave a reason for asking. You sent the PM [B]AFTER[/B] the post, thus your entire logic is false. The only way to see if someone can get invited is to ask the host or hostess if they would like to include them on the invite list. You didn't do this until it was public, you didn't wait for a response, you assumed something you cannot assume. Let me put it this way. If John wants to invite someone to a very private wedding, the wedding planner would appreciate being asked if John's guest can come before John posts on social media that he has a guest he would like to bring because everyone will like the guest. The wedding planner would also like to give a response to John, before he posts it on social media. Does this make common sense now?

[QUOTE=Dyoung35;2947324]I wasn't sure which category to post this under. So I'll probably just do both, escort and SW. Escort quality, but I found her at a convenience store on the south side of town. She is without a doubt the sweetest young lady I have ever picked up on the street.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2948548]I am not aware that this UTR is a street walker. I think the original post from dyoung35 mentioned meeting her out somewhere in public. But that doesn't mean she was or is a SW. She would be well known and not a UTR if she were a SW. So, unless dyoung35 clarifies and contradicts her then I assume they met the way she told me her and dyoung met. Her story and his don't contradict each other as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE][B]False[/B] He posted it in the Streetwalker Forum, he met her at convenience store, he states he picked her up on the street, she wasn't carrying a sign saying I'm a UTR, she solicited business in a public place. Again she may not be a typical SW but she started that way. However where she started really isn't the point. She has been seen by (new update) [B]THREE[/B] mongers on this board. There is no way I want a new SW, UTR, Escort whatever you want to call her at a M&G without knowing more about her.

So here is a question for you Mr. Obvious. Why didn't you contact the person that verified you for the M&G or the host or hostess and ask them about brining this SW / Escort / provider whatever you want to call her and wait for an answer, before posting it on open forum? Another one would be, why post it on open forum in the first place. The list of attendees is also pretty private so the inquiries should be private. This would be logical and also be the proper etiquette.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2948645][B]False[/B] for several reasons. Your first post asked a question and gave a reason for asking. You sent the PM [B]AFTER[/B] the post, thus your entire logic is false. The only way to see if someone can get invited is to ask the host or hostess if they would like to include them on the invite list. You didn't do this until it was public, you didn't wait for a response, you assumed something you cannot assume. Let me put it this way. If John wants to invite someone to a very private wedding, the wedding planner would appreciate being asked if John's guest can come before John posts on social media that he has a guest he would like to bring because everyone will like the guest. The wedding planner would also like to give a response to John, before he posts it on social media. Does this make common sense now?



[B]False[/B] He posted it in the Streetwalker Forum, he met her at convenience store, he states he picked her up on the street, she wasn't carrying a sign saying I'm a UTR, she solicited business in a public place. Again she may not be a typical SW but she started that way. However where she started really isn't the point. She has been seen by (new update) [B]THREE[/B] mongers on this board. There is no way I want a new SW, UTR, Escort whatever you want to call her at a M&G without knowing more about her.

So here is a question for you Mr. Obvious. Why didn't you contact the person that verified you for the M&G or the host or hostess and ask them about brining this SW / Escort / provider whatever you want to call her and wait for an answer, before posting it on open forum? Another one would be, why post it on open forum in the first place. The list of attendees is also pretty private so the inquiries should be private. This would be logical and also be the proper etiquette.[/QUOTE]My post about an invite was a rhetorical question. Do you comprehend the meaning of a rhetorical question?

For all the obvious reasons you stated there was never any intent to receive an actual response, hence the meaning of a rhetorical question!

You are assuming that you know how they met and the circumstances. Aren't you the one lecturing people all the time about assuming facts they know nothing about? I think the way you phrase it is if you are not there then how can you make any comments about how/what happened?

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2948661]My post about an invite was a rhetorical question. Do you comprehend the meaning of a rhetorical question?

For all the obvious reasos you stated there was never any intent to receive an actual response, hence the meaning of a rhetorical question!

You are assuming that you know how they met and the circumstances. Aren't you the one lecturing people all the time about assuming facts they know nothing about? I think the way you phrase it is if you are not there then how can you make any comments about how what happened?[/QUOTE]Don't be a dick. You didn't post it as a rhetorical question. If it was a rhetorical question, there wouldn't have been a pm asking to bring her, nor the comments of being taken under someone's "breast". Don't be a dick, he isn't assuming. Dyoung35 says he met her on the street at a convenience store or something to that effect so Freckle Freak isn't assuming. He's not lecturing, I asked him to step in because the size of the hole in your ass that would have ensued from the ass reaming I wanted to give you would have harmed my reputation of being fucking nice. I am fucking nice, but don't piss me off because I can be not so fucking nice too.

You know absolutely nothing about this freaking chick. Sure she could be introduced to everyone, sure she can be a ruse and everyone put in harms way as you try to white knight her. She's living on the street for one reason or the other. How many times on here that you read a few good posts about a chick that then goes bad? A few of you wanted to white knight Lily a few months back. Where is Lily now? Where is the money stolen from Renee now? Hmmm, can you answer that? What's her real name? Any previous issues of any kind with LE? Maybe she is that good, or so tight, that when she clamped down on you man parts that your brain seized and eyes shut. But two reviews doesn't not a reputation make.

When you so openly show lack of discretion and common sense, your participation in meet and greets will be marginal at best as you simply won't be included. You piss off or appear disrespectful to someone who's been around since the oldest profession turned its first trick and you lose street cred. So you seriously need to back the fuck up. Yes the m&g is quasi public knowledge but still be smart about it. So, kindly pull your head out of your ass, don't piss the hostess off, don't disrespect a senior member that teaches others about the hobby (whether by offering advice or lecturing) and plan on having a good freaking time.

I caution you tho. Do not debate this any further. You were thinking with your little head. You need to swallow your pride and drop it before you not only shoot yourself in the foot, but the other foot, the left knee, the right knee, the groin. Get the picture? You do not want to find yourself cutoff or shunned. Capiche?

As I walked my prized Xoloitzcuintli this morning, I could hear the barrage of mortar rounds whistling towards me, from a not so far distance.

I thank the sweet 7 pound baby Jesus boy that they're not aimed at my house. Carry on.

So, other than just being generally anti-social, one major reason I am not interested in attending meet and greets. Despite the potentially fantastic lineup of wonderful women. Is that you can pretty much count on someone in every group to not fully grasp the idea of discretion. Also, not everyone shares the same full definition of that word. My definition is pretty militant when it comes to hobbying, so y'all have fun and hopefully no one spoils it for ya, though odds are someone will and perhaps is already well on their way.

Be safe.

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2948661]My post about an invite was a rhetorical question. Do you comprehend the meaning of a rhetorical question?

For all the obvious reasons you stated there was never any intent to receive an actual response, hence the meaning of a rhetorical question!

You are assuming that you know how they met and the circumstances. Aren't you the one lecturing people all the time about assuming facts they know nothing about? I think the way you phrase it is if you are not there then how can you make any comments about how/what happened?[/QUOTE]Because a wedding planner would not suite you because you obviously don't understand etiquette. By the way I assumed nothing, I just read his original report in black and white in the Street Walker forum.

I'm finished so chatter on.

[QUOTE=Mwdude;2948767]So, other than just being generally anti-social, one major reason I am not interested in attending meet and greets. Despite the potentially fantastic lineup of wonderful women. Is that you can pretty much count on someone in every group to not fully grasp the idea of discretion. Also, not everyone shares the same full definition of that word. My definition is pretty militant when it comes to hobbying, so y'all have fun and hopefully no one spoils it for ya, though odds are someone will and perhaps is already well on their way.

Be safe.[/QUOTE]Truth and wisdom in your post. Some really good people had their worlds turned upside down and suffered greatly as the result of the lack of discretion and good judgement used by some meet and greet guests at an event held downtown a few years ago.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2948922]Because a wedding planner would not suite you because you obviously don't understand etiquette. By the way I assumed nothing, I just read his original report in black and white in the Street Walker forum.

I'm finished so chatter on.[/QUOTE]Glad you are finished chattereing about what you know nothing about. What you claim is black and white doesn't match her description of what took place. It also doesn't conflict with his story.

So, you broke the rules you lecture about which is that there are always two sides to a story and different perspectives of the same events. You weren't there so you can't speak on the subject.

If your profession is overseeing etiquette on this board then please get out of the profession. Nothing I did invited her to the wedding. In fact there is a provider coming that I suggested might be good to invite. I asked about it in a pm weeks ago. I don't know what criteria was used to include her. I now have a better understanding based upon more recent private discussions regarding the new girl.

Also, the only way you would know when I pm'd someone is if they told you. While everyone is talking about discretion! Odd, that the rules don't apply to you regarding discretion and talking about others circumstances when you weren't there.

Is that logical enough for you?

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2948661]My post about an invite was a rhetorical question. Do you comprehend the meaning of a rhetorical question?

For all the obvious reasons you stated there was never any intent to receive an actual response, hence the meaning of a rhetorical question!

You are assuming that you know how they met and the circumstances. Aren't you the one lecturing people all the time about assuming facts they know nothing about? I think the way you phrase it is if you are not there then how can you make any comments about how/what happened?[/QUOTE]Obviously you didn't ready his original postings of where he put this review. He posted in the streetwalker as well as the other forum. FF was stating facts. That's it. Also the member that posted the two reviews stated he met her in a convenient store or near. I don't know about you but don't know too many reputable providers that are going to approach a stranger and tell their life story in exchange for services. That's what I got out of that review. That's really not the definition of a UTR and also just to clarify something. The Meet and Greet that you have stated is a public affair simply is not. The people attending providers and members have all been verified and certain rules and regulations are set forth. The hostess of this affair would NOT allow simply just a random person to be invited. UTR or not. It's ok to have different opinions of this but damn all FF was trying to explain is these " get togethers " are not for everyone and certain rules apply.

BTW yes there is a certain level of discretion but if you don't think that some of is don't talk on a daily basis and ask each other questions or need opinions on things then your sadly mistaken. Again I'm not being ride but no need to banter back and forth when obviously you were missing the point.

I do my best to stay out of the Prickyard. So I've come up with a new category.

Stealth.

For ladies that are not truly UTR but have a very small radar cross section. So a B-2 bomber might show up as a sparrow.

Dave.

I am the CEO, SOUP, the Biggest Prick, and the lap dance receiver so I know I have zero street cred around here. A zero post newbie has more game than this geriatric, near sighted old man. However, I am going to give it one more shot. Everyone just shut the fuck up. We ain't going to agree on this. I am not getting into who is right or who is wrong. This is just really bad timing for this debate. Keep in mind this is coming from the person that likes to stir shit up probably more than anyone.

Sincerely Signed,

*See the list of names above* (Oh and least I forget Reverend of the Right Red).

P.S.- If any of the names above don't makes sense, you got about 850 posts to catch up on reading. LOL.

My cats breath smells like cat food. There, I said it.

[QUOTE=IndyGuy123;2949011]I am the CEO, SOUP, the Biggest Prick, and the lap dance receiver so I know I have zero street cred around here. A zero post newbie has more game than this geriatric, near sighted old man. However, I am going to give it one more shot. Everyone just shut the fuck up. We ain't going to agree on this. I am not getting into who is right or who is wrong. This is just really bad timing for this debate. Keep in mind this is coming from the person that likes to stir shit up probably more than anyone.

Sincerely Signed,

*See the list of names above* (Oh and least I forget Reverend of the Right Red).

P.S.- If any of the names above don't makes sense, you got about 850 posts to catch up on reading. LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm all for that!

[QUOTE=IndyGuy123;2949011]I am the CEO, SOUP, the Biggest Prick, and the lap dance receiver so I know I have zero street cred around here. A zero post newbie has more game than this geriatric, near sighted old man. However, I am going to give it one more shot. Everyone just shut the fuck up. We ain't going to agree on this. I am not getting into who is right or who is wrong. This is just really bad timing for this debate. Keep in mind this is coming from the person that likes to stir shit up probably more than anyone.

Sincerely Signed,

*See the list of names above* (Oh and least I forget Reverend of the Right Red).

P.S.- If any of the names above don't makes sense, you got about 850 posts to catch up on reading. LOL.[/QUOTE]Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. I like it when her's smells like lavender and vanilla. Especially when it's in between a couple of round mounds of ass-eliciousness. Oh and when she has those little dimples in the small of her back around her hipbone. That drives me wild. Add on long legs and an overall slender frame, I'm in heaven! What were we talking about again?

A lot of us knew once Natalie left SB and saw the big city where the streets lights stay on past 9 pm and your sit-down restaurants we were going to have a hard time keeping her down on the farm. But we never expected some of you perks like Indyguy123 to be sneaking into town and whisking her away.

We posted sentries even built a wall but somehow you dug a tunnel to rival El Chap's.

Not this time! Noobie, I and the rest of the SB crew are keeping her confined in a secret location and under 24 hour watch until after your M&G. This time our security is impenetrable.

Not the biggest prick not the smallest prick but a prick never the less.

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2948661]My post about an invite was a rhetorical question. Do you comprehend the meaning of a rhetorical question?

For all the obvious reasons you stated there was never any intent to receive an actual response, hence the meaning of a rhetorical question!

You are assuming that you know how they met and the circumstances. Aren't you the one lecturing people all the time about assuming facts they know nothing about? I think the way you phrase it is if you are not there then how can you make any comments about how/what happened?[/QUOTE]I made this same mistake once, long ago and it led to a very ugly situation. I still feel I was right, but I also understand why I was wrong. I was wrong because I didn't consider everyone's perspective.

The invite post wasn't a rhetorical question, it was an example of LHT (Little Head Thinking). It's common, we're all guilty from time to time. She just rocked your world and you think she could end up in the Hall of Fame and you wouldn't mind being one of the select few who introduced her to the world. The M&G is standing there saying "This is the perfect time. Some of the top mongers in the area, with some of the top providers, it's perfect. She'll walk out a big star. " I understand. In your shoes I would have been tempted to do the same thing.

LHT.

Now the other perspective:

Nobody knows her. DYoung described meeting her as a SW encounter, meaning she is in some way soliciting strangers in public places. Unless he makes a habit of asking random women for P4 P, the SW designation is appropriate. She might be sweet and innocent and awesome, but she was still engaging in very risky behavior, uncle isn't the worst danger.

Nobody knows about her mental state, or whether she's a kleptomaniac or a junkie (3 reports in 24 hours isn't enough to determine a pattern). What happens if her mental state does a flip at the M&G and she becomes violent or suicidal? I've seen it happen and it's not fun. What happens if she collects a bunch of names and numbers and gets pinched next week? How quickly will she roll over?

I'm not saying any of these things are likely, but they're possible. That's the other side's perspective. That's why, even though you're justified in thinking you were right, you were still wrong.

This is a interesting question. Many opinions and none really wrong or right but input from others could be helpful before being added to the Newbies Blog.

"True UTR" is completely under the radar. No names, phone numbers or e-mails are posted on any type of forum or website. Business is completely derived from word of mouth, through back channels on this or other boards. No reviews, no ads, no postings on any escort sites, etc. Nobody knows anything about the UTR without the UTR approving its release through her customer (s) first. This is in many peoples opinion is the definition of a "True UTR". Now is it possible that a "True UTR" can also be a provider that requests a monger to put up a post that he has a UTR that is looking for additional customers and to contact him for more details. It's just a more expedient way than sending out massive PM's. Since nobody really knows anything about her then isn't she still a "True UTR". I think it is because the key is no contact info is out on open forum (s) and backchannels have to be used to contact her. Some of these UTR's may have been on a SB site and met the monger there and is now willing to step out more into the mainstream limelight, but still remain mostly anonymous. I know several UTR's that are this way. Nobody knows their name and phone number unless the UTR provides it once they are comfortable with the initial contact through the posting monger. So please chime in to agree or disagree.

"Quasi-UTR" is a type of UTR that wants to avoid any type of advertising on any site, but is willing to have someone post about them with a minor review and / or minor description along with some way to contact the QUTR directly either by handle or e-mail address. NO phone number is posted. Still nobody knows much about the QUTR and it's up to the QUTR to respond to the contacts. The QUTR does not want reviews and limits who is going to post about them. Everything is controlled by the QUTR.

Provider is a UTR that starts posting ads, allows reviews on review sites, posts phone numbers, posts pictures, and then they are no longer a UTR. They have exposed themselves to the mainstream business and are now a true provider open to the public. Many UTR's go this route.

Etiquette with UTR's. A monger who sends a UTR's contact info out or exposes her on open forum without her approval is a "Bad" Monger. A monger who exposes a UTR, with her approval, is doing it the right way.

I think the key is a "True UTR" no matter how she is promoted cannot be contacted by any means other than through back channels. Nobody knows anything about her except that she is out there. Please chime in on thoughts.

[QUOTE=Bobup;2949133]A lot of us knew once Natalie left SB and saw the big city where the streets lights stay on past 9 pm and your sit-down restaurants we were going to have a hard time keeping her down on the farm. But we never expected some of you perks like Indyguy123 to be sneaking into town and whisking her away.

We posted sentries even built a wall but somehow you dug a tunnel to rival El Chap's.

Not this time! Noobie, I and the rest of the SB crew are keeping her confined in a secret location and under 24 hour watch until after your M&G. This time our security is impenetrable.

Not the biggest prick not the smallest prick but a prick never the less.[/QUOTE]Do you think I did not plan ahead for Noob, you, and your faithful associates. You will find out the details of this plan soon enough my friend.

Sincerely Signed,

The Biggest Prick in the Yard.

P.S.- Stay the hell out of my toy stash. The straps and cuffs are for my use. I got to draw the line somewhere. See Adam and Eve. Discounts all the time.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2949143]I made this same mistake once, long ago and it led to a very ugly situation. I still feel I was right, but I also understand why I was wrong. I was wrong because I didn't consider everyone's perspective.

The invite post wasn't a rhetorical question, it was an example of LHT (Little Head Thinking). It's common, we're all guilty from time to time. She just rocked your world and you think she could end up in the Hall of Fame and you wouldn't mind being one of the select few who introduced her to the world. The M&G is standing there saying "This is the perfect time. Some of the top mongers in the area, with some of the top providers, it's perfect. She'll walk out a big star. " I understand. In your shoes I would have been tempted to do the same thing.

LHT.

Now the other perspective:

Nobody knows her. DYoung described meeting her as a SW encounter, meaning she is in some way soliciting strangers in public places. Unless he makes a habit of asking random women for P4 P, the SW designation is appropriate. She might be sweet and innocent and awesome, but she was still engaging in very risky behavior, uncle isn't the worst danger.

Nobody knows about her mental state, or whether she's a kleptomaniac or a junkie (3 reports in 24 hours isn't enough to determine a pattern). What happens if her mental state does a flip at the M&G and she becomes violent or suicidal? I've seen it happen and it's not fun. What happens if she collects a bunch of names and numbers and gets pinched next week? How quickly will she roll over?

I'm not saying any of these things are likely, but they're possible. That's the other side's perspective. That's why, even though you're justified in thinking you were right, you were still wrong.[/QUOTE]Everyone has a right to there opinion and your's is wrong! See it works both ways. You are not the king and last word on opinions.

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2949227]Everyone has a right to there opinion and your's is wrong! See it works both ways. You are not the king and last word on opinions.[/QUOTE]It isn't that hard. Thanks for ruining it for everyone.

Consensus: A general agreement among those that are knowledgeable about a subject and capable of providing an opinion.

Stubborn: Having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, especially in spite of good arguments or reasons to do so.

So which is it? From what I am reading I guess everyone now knows, except for one.

DAMN!

I'm sorry I brought it up and apparently then degraded the term UTR. Next time I will keep my mouth shut!

I give up!

I still like stealth.

Dave.

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2949227]Everyone has a right to there opinion and your's is wrong! See it works both ways. You are not the king and last word on opinions.[/QUOTE]It's their, not there and yours, not your's, since we're being correct.

When I see someone making a mistake, or doing something they will later regret, I speak up. In most cases, I even try to be diplomatic, try to see all sides and accept their validity. After all, isn't that how we learn, how we progress?

You've been called out by several of the most respected people on this board, some have been harsher than others, each of them saying the same thing. The smart move is to take a step back, swallow your pride and apologize. Learn from the experience and try to overcome the negative feelings. As I said, even though you believe you are right, all those other voices saying you were wrong have good reasons. Why not accept this is a war you can't win and try for a better peace treaty?

This isn't about opinions, it's about the real world we all have to live in. Our actions, even the ones on this mostly anonymous forum, affect our lives and the lives of others. Having the last word on this matter may feel satisfying, but there are always consequences. Is your pride worth the price? No, that's not a threat. It's simply accepting the fact that pissing off the wrong people is bound to limit your options.

I've never claimed to be the King, I think that's one of the SOUP's many titles.

[QUOTE=Dyoung35;2949287]DAMN!

I'm sorry I brought it up and apparently then degraded the term UTR. Next time I will keep my mouth shut![/QUOTE]DYoung tries to do everyone a solid and you beat him down about what the hell UTR is?

Hope this sight doesn't go to politics from ladies, we're all FUBAR then!!

Thanks for the effort DY, always appreciated.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2949416]I've never claimed to be the King, I think that's one of the SOUP's many titles.[/QUOTE]Even I do not claim that one. A certain provider gave me that title. I told her I defer it to Ilapp or FF. I will leave it up to her if she wants to chime in but if / when she does that may add another damn name. (And no this time it ain't Nat. Those names you don't get. LOL).

Sincerely Signed,

The Biggest Prick in the Yard.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2949171]This is a interesting question. Many opinions and none really wrong or right but input from others could be helpful before being added to the Newbies Blog.

"True UTR" is completely under the radar. No names, phone numbers or e-mails are posted on any type of forum or website. Business is completely derived from word of mouth, through back channels on this or other boards. No reviews, no ads, no postings on any escort sites, etc. Nobody knows anything about the UTR without the UTR approving its release through her customer (s) first. This is in many peoples opinion is the definition of a "True UTR". Now is it possible that a "True UTR" can also be a provider that requests a monger to put up a post that he has a UTR that is looking for additional customers and to contact him for more details. It's just a more expedient way than sending out massive PM's. Since nobody really knows anything about her then isn't she still a "True UTR". I think it is because the key is no contact info is out on open forum (s) and backchannels have to be used to contact her. Some of these UTR's may have been on a SB site and met the monger there and is now willing to step out more into the mainstream limelight, but still remain mostly anonymous. I know several UTR's that are this way. Nobody knows their name and phone number unless the UTR provides it once they are comfortable with the initial contact through the posting monger. So please chime in to agree or disagree.

"Quasi-UTR" is a type of UTR that wants to avoid any type of advertising on any site, but is willing to have someone post about them with a minor review and / or minor description along with some way to contact the QUTR directly either by handle or e-mail address. NO phone number is posted. Still nobody knows much about the QUTR and it's up to the QUTR to respond to the contacts. The QUTR does not want reviews and limits who is going to post about them. Everything is controlled by the QUTR.

Provider is a UTR that starts posting ads, allows reviews on review sites, posts phone numbers, posts pictures, and then they are no longer a UTR. They have exposed themselves to the mainstream business and are now a true provider open to the public. Many UTR's go this route.

Etiquette with UTR's. A monger who sends a UTR's contact info out or exposes her on open forum without her approval is a "Bad" Monger. A monger who exposes a UTR, with her approval, is doing it the right way.

I think the key is a "True UTR" no matter how she is promoted cannot be contacted by any means other than through back channels. Nobody knows anything about her except that she is out there. Please chime in on thoughts.[/QUOTE]Maybe some new terminology is needed. Keep UTR for the true UTR and come up with something different for QUTR and the rest.

Once someone posts about the UTR, except in the most generic terms; "usually my UTR takes care of me, but I decided to try. ", the risk of them becoming better known goes up, especially with the "seeking new customers" scenario. It's possible for a not yet trusted member to convince them to share the info and possible that person will then share with others, without permission. Two weeks later, the UTR is getting a call from a Pakistani who is coming to town on business and got the number from an unknown guy on a Pakistani escort site.

Giving out UTR info is a sacred trust. First the request needs to originate with the provider, either by a direct request or a not too subtle hint; "a few of my regulars moved away, so I have more free time. " Then there's the, "I know a guy. ", back and forth, finding out if the guy and the UTR are both open for an introduction.

I've received a few PMs from unknown users, giving unsolicited contact info for some UTR. To me, they are no longer UTR. I won't give the info, even if asked (and that has happened), but clearly not everyone feels the same way. Too many possible scenarios, but here's one:

Monger A says he knows a UTR looking for new customers. Out of 30 PMs, he gives the info to 5, the rest he brushes off. Monger C, who didn't get the info, sends PMs to everyone who he thinks might have the info, and Monger B, gives it up. Monger C contacts the UTR, who shoots him down because he's not on the list from Monger A. Monger C, who is a bit unstable, puts up a BP ad with the UTR phone number. UTR is now completely compromised. If she isn't using a hobby phone, her name and address are now in the hands of thousands. No happy ending.

It's a good topic for discussion, but I don't know if we'll find any answers.

[QUOTE=Dyoung35;2949287]DAMN!

I'm sorry I brought it up and apparently then degraded the term UTR. Next time I will keep my mouth shut![/QUOTE]I agree with you Dyoung35. What's the point in trying to contribute?

And just to do FF a favor I will uninvited myself from the M&G tomorrow.

I know half the providers that are going anyway. The other half will just have to decide for themselves whether it is worth it to them to attend if only those in FF's circle of friends are coming anyway.

I would even be willing to bet that others on this board do not contribute because they don't want to be the target of FF, JJBEE62 and MWDUDE's criticism.

And of course, they won't say they agree with me they will just remain silent. That's what you call a consensus. Not when all your buddy's agree with you!

I think the reason that A2 is so tired of this Indy crowd is because this useless diatribe doesn't contribute anything. And it probably thwarts further input from others.

And as you can read into IndyGuy123's comments, you don't want to piss off the FF because there will be ramifications. I hope A2 took note of that veiled threat to anyone else who dare contribute and risk the ridicule of FF and friends.

So, maybe A2 can consider banning FF, JJBEE62 and MWDUDE for 2 months and make it known on this board that you are now free to contribute without fear of retribution from these guys for 2 months.

Then, let's see how much more active the silent members become from this 2 month moratorium.

If I'm right the providers will be happy, the members will be happy and the rest of us will be able to learn more from each other that is productive to the purpose of the forum.

[QUOTE=IrishLaddie;2949452]DYoung tries to do everyone a solid and you beat him down about what the hell UTR is?

Hope this sight doesn't go to politics from ladies, we're all FUBAR then!!

Thanks for the effort DY, always appreciated.[/QUOTE]DYoung35 didn't do anything wrong. He did a good deed and I'm sure most of us appreciate the information. There's a problem with the understanding of UTR, but that's not his fault, it's just not defined the same by everyone. If anything, the confusion is helpful because it opens up a discussion and gives us all a chance to learn.

DYoung35, don't keep silent. If you find a SW who should be in an upscale in call, help her climb the ranks, because there are too many out there who will take her in the opposite direction and right now she's very vulnerable.