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[QUOTE=Batman317;3582415]Talked or been with this sb [URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/b9926e27-8deb-4a76-be9f-78eba31cb064[/URL].[/QUOTE]I had an interest in her 2 months ago, and she led me to believe she could travel to Indy, but it never happened. Then sometime in the past 4 to 6 week she updated her profile to say we have to travel to her. I haven't made the decision to go to Greencastle. YET.
[QUOTE=Indplsgent4fu;3582422]I had an interest in her 2 months ago, and she led me to believe she could travel to Indy, but it never happened. Then sometime in the past 4 to 6 week she updated her profile to say we have to travel to her. I haven't made the decision to go to Greencastle. YET.[/QUOTE]I talked to her and as tempting as she is (sexy in a blue hair kinda way.) I passed. Two reasons: She has limited time between two jobs and requires me to drive to greencastle to meet; for what would be no more than an hour of time; and a part of the time was to get to know one another at Starbucks?? I'm sorry but after 2 weeks of texting, 3-4 hours of my time for a cup of coffee? I'm too lazy for that (or my time is too valuable). She never came out directly and stated that intimacy was on the table; her description of what she wanted defined (and specifically used) the word "platonic. " Maybe I'm not up on the urban dictionary version of the word, but it was non commital enough to move along. I left the door open to reconsider, so if anyone has experience, PM me. I have some recent adventures to share too. She does remind me of a 1990's hot punk chick I'd love to date.
[QUOTE=Indplsgent4fu;3579704]Over the past couple of months I've had private messages asking me for contact info for sugar babies I've posted about. I do not feel that it is appropriate for me to share PRIVATE contact info without a person's consent, whether it be provider, sugar baby, hobbyist, etc. It would be totally different if the contact info was at one time posted / available publicly. Also, if I've never talked to you over the phone, or met you face to face for lunch, drinks, etc, then it's not likely I will stick my neck out to get a hold of a girl to make a recommendation or introduction. I hope that you can all appreciate that, and understand that I would expect the same consideration in return. Happy hunting fellas.[/QUOTE]All stood up and said AMEN!
[QUOTE=Indplsgent4fu;3582408]Started chatting with her 2 weeks ago, and met her a few days later. She said she was only looking for one SD, but I was inclined to believe her, and I have to admit I was in the mood to settle down with just one good sugarbaby (really), and thought it could be her. We negotiated from 4 to 2.5 each visit, and felt we could meet once or twice a week. I took her to fine upscale restaurant, and we had a great dinner. She is NOT slender like her profile says, she is curvy, average, a little thick for some, and busty. I was very turned on by her intelligence and social skills, and felt I could take her out in any upscale social setting. I ended the evening enjoying her curves and oral talents and skills. As we talked the next day, I caught her in a couple of discrepancies in some of her tales (typical for girls) but just had me concerned more then usual, and started feeling that she might have more drama. I have not reached back out to her, she is SA site surfing daily and I suspect looking for bigger, better deals.[/QUOTE]They are all looking for him. Hahah good luck! They; ll likely find jimmy hoffa first.
Seemed legit but I couldn't get her lower than 500 for first meeting. I passed. Let me know if you cut a better deal and I may try again. I honestly didn't try too hard because she isn't that hot and obviously has unrealistic expectations.
[QUOTE=ZakkWylde;3584949]Seemed legit but I couldn't get her lower than 500 for first meeting. I passed. Let me know if you cut a better deal and I may try again. I honestly didn't try too hard because she isn't that hot and obviously has unrealistic expectations.[/QUOTE]A not so new but resurfacing strategy is to pay the 4-800 asked the first time, then negotiate down for future visits. Frankly it makes even the less desireable unrealistic with their allowances. I wish we could all just agree to not offer more than a fair market value and stick to it; but there will always be a white knight in the room, thinking with the wrong head. I did it ONCE with Plain Jane. Wasn’t worth it.
Try talking to Brunette Bombshell or Jazzy. BB's price goes up quarterly. Last year she wanted $500. Her minimum is now $800 per meet and can not host. Jazzy was $300, which I did not see the value of exploring, now $600. BB's photos have been the same for three years now.
Ladies have a right to set their own self worth, but I would think that if more of us said NO, their expectations would lower from LaLa land to reality. This isn't California for heavens sake.
[QUOTE=GoodTimes007;3585875]A not so new but resurfacing strategy is to pay the 4-800 asked the first time, then negotiate down for future visits. Frankly it makes even the less desireable unrealistic with their allowances. I wish we could all just agree to not offer more than a fair market value and stick to it; but there will always be a white knight in the room, thinking with the wrong head. I did it ONCE with Plain Jane. Wasnt worth it.
Try talking to Brunette Bombshell or Jazzy. BB's price goes up quarterly. Last year she wanted $500. Her minimum is now $800 per meet and can not host. Jazzy was $300, which I did not see the value of exploring, now $600. BB's photos have been the same for three years now.
Ladies have a right to set their own self worth, but I would think that if more of us said NO, their expectations would lower from LaLa land to reality. This isn't California for heavens sake.[/QUOTE]Alot of girls have been burned by Arrangements. Guys promising longer term for reduced rates. Good in theory till he ghost after the first time never to be heard from again. So they learn to up their price, get what they want and not really care if a guy shows back up. For alot of these girls its side money so they can hold out till they get what they want The idea of guys controlling the price is pretty funny. First the guys would have to boycott pussy and that will never happen. Guys will push you in front of the bus for it, stab you in the back etc. Plus someone always has more money to spend and doesn't care to share the wealth.
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Ladies have a right to set their own self worth, but I would think that if more of us said NO, their expectations would lower from LaLa land to reality. This isn't California for heavens sake.[/QUOTE]Is there any evidence that anybody gives in to the ridiculous rates?
[QUOTE=Bwetfan;3585935]Is there any evidence that anybody gives in to the ridiculous rates?[/QUOTE]Yes. There are at least 3 dudes working sa in Indy that regularly go 1000. I learned this from a sb with whom I already have an arrangement and she was not trying to use the info to negotiate, so I believed her.
I either get girls who accept the allowance I recommend, girls who are higher but come down to what I want, or girls who insist they get those crazy allowances regularly. This just happened yesterday. She said she wanted consistency. When I asked what that meant, she said she wanted weekly 'one grand or two grand'. When I told her she is dreaming if she thinks she can get that and gave her an analysis of what that meant, she started a tirade calling me cheap, a loser, and proceeding to give me a 'rundown' of her 'income' last year saying she has 2 sugar daddies that give her that and she makes 150,000 as an 'independent contractor'. I need to find out who this person is and report her to the IRS for failure to report and pay taxes if she is getting that much.
Maybe there are idiots, I mean generous guys who are willing to put out that much money. But I think the true hobbyist knows better. Maybe those guys splurge on their birthday for one night of fun a year and think 'what the heck, it's my birthday'. But the true hobbyist is spending money regularly and how many guys can afford to pay what is the equivalent of a $60,000 a year job to someone who gets 1000 a week?!
The best thing to do is tell her to run along to their fictitious sugar daddy and ask him for his weekly allowance while you give your money to a more deserving sugar baby. And then report her on this forum so we can all make fun of her.
[QUOTE=ZakkWylde;3585946]Yes. There are at least 3 dudes working sa in Indy that regularly go 1000. I learned this from a sb with whom I already have an arrangement and she was not trying to use the info to negotiate, so I believed her.[/QUOTE]
The problem with boycott is that we forget this forum may, and probably is, only a small segment of the population. I was hobbying for years and had no clue until a friend told me that I would do well to join this forum. So I did earlier this year and have met some really cool men and women. But the problem is that there are tons of other guys who are out there hobbying and not getting the benefit of this forum to know about scammers and clock watchers and GPS. When they meet a sugar baby and she quotes 1000 for a date, what is his reference point to know that's high? If he can afford it, then I guess he will do it. And if he likes it enough and has more money, he will do it again. But if he didn't have as enjoyable time as he hoped, then maybe he stops hobbling after the first try. So the best thing we can do is keep giving what we think is fair and the market will correct itself. Why are you guys worried about one girl who goes high and complains? For each one girl like that there are 5 who will accept a more reasonable number. So go give your money to one of those other 5.
[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3585902]Alot of girls have been burned by Arrangements. Guys promising longer term for reduced rates. Good in theory till he ghost after the first time never to be heard from again. So they learn to up their price, get what they want and not really care if a guy shows back up. For alot of these girls its side money so they can hold out till they get what they want The idea of guys controlling the price is pretty funny. First the guys would have to boycott pussy and that will never happen. Guys will push you in front of the bus for it, stab you in the back etc. Plus someone always has more money to spend and doesn't care to share the wealth.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GoodTimes007;3585875]A not so new but resurfacing strategy is to pay the 4-800 asked the first time, then negotiate down for future visits. Frankly it makes even the less desireable unrealistic with their allowances. I wish we could all just agree to not offer more than a fair market value and stick to it; but there will always be a white knight in the room, thinking with the wrong head. I did it ONCE with Plain Jane. Wasnt worth it.
Try talking to Brunette Bombshell or Jazzy. BB's price goes up quarterly. Last year she wanted $500. Her minimum is now $800 per meet and can not host. Jazzy was $300, which I did not see the value of exploring, now $600. BB's photos have been the same for three years now.
Ladies have a right to set their own self worth, but I would think that if more of us said NO, their expectations would lower from LaLa land to reality. This isn't California for heavens sake.[/QUOTE]Jazzy will take $250. She always hurting for money.
[QUOTE=ZakkWylde;3585946]Yes. There are at least 3 dudes working sa in Indy that regularly go 1000. I learned this from a sb with whom I already have an arrangement and she was not trying to use the info to negotiate, so I believed her.[/QUOTE]I met with a SA in btown last night who said she has made 5000 over the last 3 months, from dudes who haven't even asked to be touched.
"hey come have lunch with me, ill have 500 for you. ".
She even said can you believe I can get away with it.
Um, no. WTF guys.
[QUOTE=Bwetfan;3585935]Is there any evidence that anybody gives in to the ridiculous rates?[/QUOTE]A young lady I met off FetLife and have a casual relationship with no cash involved tells of guys spending up to $8. To $1 k taking her shoopping, nails, spas, dinners with $100 plus bottles of wine and go back to 5 star hotel suite just to talk and have no sexual contact. And still give her $2. 5 for her time. She has had this happen several times, with she has told me 3 different men. She also has a Amazon wish list that they routinely buy her gifts. Secretly she wished they just give her cash so she can pay off school loans but she enjoys the gifts and wining and dining guys her age can't do. She just turned 21. The mens ages are 45-63 she told me. She thinks it is these guys ego plus a lot of expendable money and the need to be seen with much younger beautiful women that drives them. She can't explain the no sex part (she's a nympho) and she would but that is not these guys endgame and they either don't pursue it or haven't asked for that part of arrangement yet. I don't get it but I also don't have fuck you money either. Okay here is where I find if guys can read DO NOT PM ME FOR HER INFO. She says too many guys from here want to meet her for. 6 car blowjobs. DO NOT PM ME FOR HER INFO.
[QUOTE=ZakkWylde;3585946]Yes. There are at least 3 dudes working sa in Indy that regularly go 1000. I learned this from a sb with whom I already have an arrangement and she was not trying to use the info to negotiate, so I believed her.[/QUOTE]I know of one guy from eastern europe that gives a girl I know $500.00 when he is in town. And of course she takes it. I don't blame her I would too. I'm certain she is being honest, since her deal with me is WAY different.
[QUOTE=GoodTimes007;3585875]A not so new but resurfacing strategy is to pay the 4-800 asked the first time, then negotiate down for future visits. Frankly it makes even the less desireable unrealistic with their allowances. I wish we could all just agree to not offer more than a fair market value and stick to it; but there will always be a white knight in the room, thinking with the wrong head. I did it ONCE with Plain Jane. Wasnt worth it.
Try talking to Brunette Bombshell or Jazzy. BB's price goes up quarterly. Last year she wanted $500. Her minimum is now $800 per meet and can not host. Jazzy was $300, which I did not see the value of exploring, now $600. BB's photos have been the same for three years now.
Ladies have a right to set their own self worth, but I would think that if more of us said NO, their expectations would lower from LaLa land to reality. This isn't California for heavens sake.[/QUOTE]Prices go up and down with how well she knows you / likes your pic, if you've been with her before or what she needs to pay for that week. I finally saw her after a month of just BSing with her, for $$. It was the first of the month when all the babies need rent.
Another Bloomington girl that won't go below 500. She is hot, so I put a little time in. For what it's worth, I think she's legit, but I will never confirm for that rate. Would have required a hotel as well.
[QUOTE=Nitro69;3586500]Prices go up and down with how well she knows you / likes your pic, if you've been with her before or what she needs to pay for that week. I finally saw her after a month of just BSing with her, for $$. It was the first of the month when all the babies need rent.[/QUOTE]In my experience, all real sbs have a sliding rate scale, which makes it hard for this group to share solid info. If you are old and fat, you will pay more or won't be seen. If you are young and attractive, you'll pay less or not at all. I'm not saying I'm in either of those groups, that's just my observation about how real sbs do business. If a girl has a flat rate for everyone, she's a pro.
Although self-serving statements from a sugar baby trying to get money from a guy, while technically would be considered evidence, is NOT credible evidence. I would like to see a bank statement or PayPal statement (with the private information blacked out for privacy reasons) as more credible evidence of these ridiculous payments. I know for a fact that many of these women aim high and would settle for much lower. It's just like any negotiation: if you don't ask for it, you will never get it. How many times have you had a girl tell you $$ when you would have given $$$ and you tell her "No sweetie, I want to give you $$$ instead of $$.
[QUOTE=LingusUs41;3586475]A young lady I met off FetLife and have a casual relationship with no cash involved tells of guys spending up to $8. To $1 k taking her shoopping, nails, spas, dinners with $100 plus bottles of wine and go back to 5 star hotel suite just to talk and have no sexual contact. And still give her $2. 5 for her time. She has had this happen several times, with she has told me 3 different men. She also has a Amazon wish list that they routinely buy her gifts. Secretly she wished they just give her cash so she can pay off school loans but she enjoys the gifts and wining and dining guys her age can't do. She just turned 21. The mens ages are 45-63 she told me. She thinks it is these guys ego plus a lot of expendable money and the need to be seen with much younger beautiful women that drives them. She can't explain the no sex part (she's a nympho) and she would but that is not these guys endgame and they either don't pursue it or haven't asked for that part of arrangement yet. I don't get it but I also don't have fuck you money either. Okay here is where I find if guys can read DO NOT PM ME FOR HER INFO. She says too many guys from here want to meet her for. 6 car blowjobs. DO NOT PM ME FOR HER INFO.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ZakkWylde;3586936]In my experience, all real sbs have a sliding rate scale, which makes it hard for this group to share solid info. If you are old and fat, you will pay more or won't be seen. If you are young and attractive, you'll pay less or not at all. I'm not saying I'm in either of those groups, that's just my observation about how real sbs do business. If a girl has a flat rate for everyone, she's a pro.[/QUOTE]Actually that couldn't be further from the truth Its about money and how much GAME you have. I know several girls that will pass up young guys due to their attitude. Never rule out package size either. Whats the first two things a stripper finds out about her mark during a lap dance? How much money he has to spend and how big the tool is. There's size queens all over SA.
[QUOTE=INTravelingMan;3587600]Although self-serving statements from a sugar baby trying to get money from a guy, while technically would be considered evidence, is NOT credible evidence. I would like to see a bank statement or PayPal statement (with the private information blacked out for privacy reasons) as more credible evidence of these ridiculous payments. I know for a fact that many of these women aim high and would settle for much lower. It's just like any negotiation: if you don't ask for it, you will never get it. How many times have you had a girl tell you $$ when you would have given $$$ and you tell her "No sweetie, I want to give you $$$ instead of $$.[/QUOTE]Every SB I ever met has a story about some rich Sd that paid her 5 times what you are paying her. While she's taking her panties off for alot less in front of you. Right Day / right Game.
[QUOTE=Nitro69;3587914]Every SB I ever met has a story about some rich Sd that paid her 5 times what you are paying her. While she's taking her panties off for alot less in front of you. Right Day / right Game.[/QUOTE]It was hardly SA quality (though perhaps a similar scenario), but I had a UTR that preferentially would see me because for some odd reason she liked the way my dick felt, not because of the size (I'm probably below average) but because of the shape (mushroom head! And because I liked getting her off orally. We ended up with a twice as much at half her rate arrangement.
It sounds like one of those old motivational things that is completely BS, but a lot of women aren't necessarily turned on by looks. They may want to be with a good looking guy in public, but in the bedroom other factors come into play.
[QUOTE=LingusUs41;3586475]A young lady I met off FetLife and have a casual relationship with no cash involved tells of guys spending up to $8. To $1 k taking her shoopping, nails, spas, dinners with $100 plus bottles of wine and go back to 5 star hotel suite just to talk and have no sexual contact. And still give her $2. 5 for her time. She has had this happen several times, with she has told me 3 different men. She also has a Amazon wish list that they routinely buy her gifts. Secretly she wished they just give her cash so she can pay off school loans but she enjoys the gifts and wining and dining guys her age can't do. She just turned 21. The mens ages are 45-63 she told me. She thinks it is these guys ego plus a lot of expendable money and the need to be seen with much younger beautiful women that drives them. She can't explain the no sex part (she's a nympho) and she would but that is not these guys endgame and they either don't pursue it or haven't asked for that part of arrangement yet. I don't get it but I also don't have fuck you money either. Okay here is where I find if guys can read DO NOT PM ME FOR HER INFO. She says too many guys from here want to meet her for. 6 car blowjobs. DO NOT PM ME FOR HER INFO.[/QUOTE]Fet life is a sm / bd site that after adding a sb / sd sire found what a headache it is. Lots of scammers on both sides with last time I logged in the moderator trying to figure out how to play referee. Most of the girls were looking for online which the guys weren't buying into. I actually suggested that they shut that thread down and true sb's go to actual sb forums where their chances were much better than on a sm site. But apparently because of the popularity of it that wasn't going to happen. Its a joke on that site with mostly online relationships offered IMHO.
[QUOTE=Nitro69;3587908]Actually that couldn't be further from the truth Its about money and how much GAME you have. I know several girls that will pass up young guys due to their attitude. Never rule out package size either. Whats the first two things a stripper finds out about her mark during a lap dance? How much money he has to spend and how big the tool is. There's size queens all over SA.[/QUOTE]The point of my post was each sb will change her rate for certain guys based on certain factors. I gave examples of factors (age, appearance) and you gave examples of different factors (game and package). Because true sbs vary their rate based on whatever their subjective factors are, it's hard to exchange solid info about rates with this group.
[BLUE]Enough with the "game" shit. You are johns, they are hookers, it's about money and need, the only "game" is your willingness to understand they are hookers and you are johns. It doesn't matter how big or how small the effect of the forum is. The ONLY limiting factor in the fantasy land you guys have created is the number of guys who can afford a steady payment. If you are one of them you are the premium, there is no fucking shortage of these types of hookers.
So it's easy, when one of them gives you a ridiculous number, write "best of luck to you honey" and then cut contact and move on to the next one. They are hookers, you are johns. There will be one who will work for the price you offer.
Who gives a fuck what they tell you some other guy is paying them. Tell them "ok baby, well seems like you have your Hef" and stop talking to them. There are 1,000 behind them.
Seriously, move the fuck on.
A2
Oh, and the size of you dick has nothing to do with the price. Except maybe that you thinking they are worshiping your cock is more likely to raise the price. What is most likely to lower that price is if they laugh while they are with you.[/BLUE]
[QUOTE=Admin2;3588188][BLUE]Enough with the "game" shit. You are johns, they are hookers, it's about money and need, the only "game" is your willingness to understand they are hookers and you are johns. It doesn't matter how big or how small the effect of the forum is. The ONLY limiting factor in the fantasy land you guys have created is the number of guys who can afford a steady payment. If you are one of them you are the premium, there is no fucking shortage of these types of hookers.
So it's easy, when one of them gives you a ridiculous number, write "best of luck to you honey" and then cut contact and move on to the next one. They are hookers, you are johns. There will be one who will work for the price you offer.
Who gives a fuck what they tell you some other guy is paying them. Tell them "ok baby, well seems like you have your Hef" and stop talking to them. There are 1,000 behind them.
Seriously, move the fuck on.
A2
Oh, and the size of you dick has nothing to do with the price. Except maybe that you thinking they are worshiping your cock is more likely to raise the price. What is most likely to lower that price is if they laugh while they are with you.[/BLUE][/QUOTE]So are we not entitled to our own opinions on the forum? Just wondering.
[blue]Sure you can have an opinion but that's not what you were doing. You were trolling trying to pick fights just like you are trying to do here with me. This isn't about pussy for you. It never is for you guys that need to share the size of your penis and effectiveness of your "game."
A2[/blue]
[QUOTE=Admin2;3588188][BLUE]Enough with the "game" shit. You are johns, they are hookers, it's about money and need, the only "game" is your willingness to understand they are hookers and you are johns. It doesn't matter how big or how small the effect of the forum is. The ONLY limiting factor in the fantasy land you guys have created is the number of guys who can afford a steady payment. If you are one of them you are the premium, there is no fucking shortage of these types of hookers.
So it's easy, when one of them gives you a ridiculous number, write "best of luck to you honey" and then cut contact and move on to the next one. They are hookers, you are johns. There will be one who will work for the price you offer.
Who gives a fuck what they tell you some other guy is paying them. Tell them "ok baby, well seems like you have your Hef" and stop talking to them. There are 1,000 behind them.
Seriously, move the fuck on.
A2
Oh, and the size of you dick has nothing to do with the price. Except maybe that you thinking they are worshiping your cock is more likely to raise the price. What is most likely to lower that price is if they laugh while they are with you.[/BLUE][/QUOTE]I travel to Indy weekly and have been shopping SA for years. Their hookers, Your Johns. Act like it!! Hahaha One 2 hr hunting session on SA and a buck to a buck and a half, if you take the above advise, will garner you more fat girls that aren't getting fucked, single moms down on their luck, smokin broke ass college chicks, those single nymphos (that don't even let their friends know there nymphos) women tirrrred of fuckin (or not getting any) from their old man. And the only thing that doesn't change??
There Hookers and Your Johns! LMAO.
TB.
[QUOTE=ZakkWylde;3588165]The point of my post was each sb will change her rate for certain guys based on certain factors. I gave examples of factors (age, appearance) and you gave examples of different factors (game and package). Because true sbs vary their rate based on whatever their subjective factors are, it's hard to exchange solid info about rates with this group.[/QUOTE]When it comes to SBs (not the UTR's masquerading as SBs), the term "YMMV" is a lot greater here.
In your original post, you also basically stated that if you are down in the looks / age dept, but up in the donation dept. , your chances of being seen are greater.
I also agree with A2 that if you throw all the BS aside, we are johns and they are hookers. I agree 100% and us men see it like that, but these girls like to pretend or actually think they are not.
If you look at my SB reports from Fall 2015, I nailed a hot blonde for $ and a monger here called me out on it just because he couldn't close for that same amount. YMMV.
I just report on my experiences, esp. The bad ones so as to prevent other mongers from getting burned. As for the good ones, just because I got in doesn't mean you will get in. And vice versa.
Happy Fucking!
She (they) was really pushing for a late afternoon meet this week, probably trying to "get it done" before the bf came home at 5 pm.
What the lead blonde doesn't realize is that we chatted early last year, so I already know who she is and what kind of GPS she has.
The second girl has really short hair and almost looks like a boy. I pushed for a one-on-one meet with the main cute blonde, and all of a sudden it turned into a "I don't fuck on the first meet" when before she was "wet from wanting a 3 some with me".
Be careful with this one. I have a funny feeling that the "boy" offers more than the cute blonde and you will be left feeling shorted.
Happy Fucking!
[QUOTE=Romeoinsd;3588800]She (they) was really pushing for a late afternoon meet this week, probably trying to "get it done" before the bf came home at 5 pm.
What the lead blonde doesn't realize is that we chatted early last year, so I already know who she is and what kind of GPS she has.
The second girl has really short hair and almost looks like a boy. I pushed for a one-on-one meet with the main cute blonde, and all of a sudden it turned into a "I don't fuck on the first meet" when before she was "wet from wanting a 3 some with me".
Be careful with this one. I have a funny feeling that the "boy" offers more than the cute blonde and you will be left feeling shorted.
Happy Fucking![/QUOTE]The blonde is Amber who was discussed last summer. Real, but I wouldn't trust her, believe there is better for the money. Center Grove grad.
[QUOTE=TommyButt;3588782]I travel to Indy weekly and have been shopping SA for years. Their hookers, Your Johns. Act like it!! Hahaha One 2 hr hunting session on SA and a buck to a buck and a half, if you take the above advise, will garner you more fat girls that aren't getting fucked, single moms down on their luck, smokin broke ass college chicks, those single nymphos (that don't even let their friends know there nymphos) women tirrrred of fuckin (or not getting any) from their old man. And the only thing that doesn't change??
There Hookers and Your Johns! LMAO.
TB.[/QUOTE]Love it! I don't get up to Indy much, but it's pretty much the same everywhere. It's all about the cash.
[QUOTE=Admin2;3588188][BLUE]Enough with the "game" shit. You are johns, they are hookers, it's about money and need, the only "game" is your willingness to understand they are hookers and you are johns. It doesn't matter how big or how small the effect of the forum is. The ONLY limiting factor in the fantasy land you guys have created is the number of guys who can afford a steady payment. If you are one of them you are the premium, there is no fucking shortage of these types of hookers.
So it's easy, when one of them gives you a ridiculous number, write "best of luck to you honey" and then cut contact and move on to the next one. They are hookers, you are johns. There will be one who will work for the price you offer.
Who gives a fuck what they tell you some other guy is paying them. Tell them "ok baby, well seems like you have your Hef" and stop talking to them. There are 1,000 behind them.
Seriously, move the fuck on.
A2
Oh, and the size of you dick has nothing to do with the price. Except maybe that you thinking they are worshiping your cock is more likely to raise the price. What is most likely to lower that price is if they laugh while they are with you.[/BLUE][/QUOTE]Don't say that over in the Virginia or LA forum. You'll be responsible for heads exploding!
[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3588164]Fet life is a sm / bd site that after adding a sb / sd sire found what a headache it is. Lots of scammers on both sides with last time I logged in the moderator trying to figure out how to play referee. Most of the girls were looking for online which the guys weren't buying into. I actually suggested that they shut that thread down and true sb's go to actual sb forums where their chances were much better than on a sm site. But apparently because of the popularity of it that wasn't going to happen. Its a joke on that site with mostly online relationships offered IMHO.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify there are all kinds of fetishes, not just sm / bd. Sure there may be a lot of sm / bd on there if that's what your fetish is, but plenty of others also. That's what is good about FetLife, to each his own. I have no idea what you are talking about but as always YMMV.
[QUOTE=LingusUs41;3589066]Just to clarify there are all kinds of fetishes, not just sm / bd. Sure there may be a lot of sm / bd on there if that's what your fetish is, but plenty of others also. That's what is good about FetLife, to each his own. I have no idea what you are talking about but as always YMMV.[/QUOTE]I was talking about how stupid it was to have a sd / sb thread on fetlife.
[QUOTE=Admin2;3588188][BLUE]Enough with the "game" shit. You are johns, they are hookers, it's about money and need, the only "game" is your willingness to understand they are hookers and you are johns. It doesn't matter how big or how small the effect of the forum is. The ONLY limiting factor in the fantasy land you guys have created is the number of guys who can afford a steady payment. If you are one of them you are the premium, there is no fucking shortage of these types of hookers.
So it's easy, when one of them gives you a ridiculous number, write "best of luck to you honey" and then cut contact and move on to the next one. They are hookers, you are johns. There will be one who will work for the price you offer.
Who gives a fuck what they tell you some other guy is paying them. Tell them "ok baby, well seems like you have your Hef" and stop talking to them. There are 1,000 behind them.
Seriously, move the fuck on.
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Oh, and the size of you dick has nothing to do with the price. Except maybe that you thinking they are worshiping your cock is more likely to raise the price. What is most likely to lower that price is if they laugh while they are with you.[/BLUE][/QUOTE]Totally agree, we're trying to get laid, and they are trying to get the money to put out. There is a difference that creates the "game," many actually.
1. Hookers tend to be a set price unseen, maybe verified, and high volume. SB's know they are selling themselves but are the opposite: "most" want to see a picture first; base prices on compatibility and comfort; and tend to only have a couple SDs. It "feels" less clinical and much more natural.
So. "the game," is landing one, at the price you want. It's significantly more work and requires "game. ".
But:
1. Guys should not compare "good" notes in public or the true UTRs (or sincere babies) will shy away or deactivate, if not get thoroughly pissed off. And fuck you (in a not so good way).
2. The rates do very based on compatibility; hence my jazzy failures. I'm cute, but did not BS naturally over time, and as a result the price went up. SBs may test the waters for a premium, assuming some don't have as much time as others, and then come down in price of compatibility is there yes, some escorts do this too! Reminiscing of Miss T. My my.
3. Some dudes are not frugal enough with their money and use point 2 as a default; which inevitably raises prices for all.
4. Good Escorts clearly sell a specific product without manipulation l. SBs, you never know.
5. The dude looking for proof? You didn't read my post well. I am the proof, within what I wrote.
This forum should be used to protect the UTRs and expose the scams; while also trading techniques that maximize dreams and values not for jumping on one another's shit for whatever trolling reason you have. Frankly the selection is 1000% better than the ol' [URL]Escort.com[/URL] days. And that was some good shit frankly. Thinking, Abby Amour, as an example, roast beef and speech impediment and all.
Clean out your inbox.
[QUOTE=INTravelingMan;3587600]Although self-serving statements from a sugar baby trying to get money from a guy, while technically would be considered evidence, is NOT credible evidence. I would like to see a bank statement or PayPal statement (with the private information blacked out for privacy reasons) as more credible evidence of these ridiculous payments. I know for a fact that many of these women aim high and would settle for much lower. It's just like any negotiation: if you don't ask for it, you will never get it. How many times have you had a girl tell you $$ when you would have given $$$ and you tell her "No sweetie, I want to give you $$$ instead of $$.[/QUOTE]I've had plenty of potential SBs tell me what they wanted, or what some nebulous "last daddy" paid them. I simply say that I'm sure they are worth every penny and wish them well. Fifteen minutes later I have a much lower price on my burner phone messages. It's because it's all bullshit. If they were really getting that, they wouldn't drop their price like a rock because they know they'd get it again.
Personally, I think it's smart for them to ask. You don't get what you don't ask for, and most people don't have the intestinal fortitude to actually say what they want.
The downside is they think we are all suckers led around by our dicks. LOL.
[QUOTE=RogerOver;3598811]I've had plenty of potential SBs tell me what they wanted, or what some nebulous "last daddy" paid them. I simply say that I'm sure they are worth every penny and wish them well. Fifteen minutes later I have a much lower price on my burner phone messages. It's because it's all bullshit. If they were really getting that, they wouldn't drop their price like a rock because they know they'd get it again.
Personally, I think it's smart for them to ask. You don't get what you don't ask for, and most people don't have the intestinal fortitude to actually say what they want.
The downside is they think we are all suckers led around by our dicks. LOL.[/QUOTE]Most are led around by their dicks. Just look at all the bad or marginally good reviews and at the end they say will probably return or will see again LOL.
If your looking for a discount, SA has a 33 percent off code for the next few days, "33 halloween".
[QUOTE=KyBoyHere;3601591]If your looking for a discount, SA has a 33 percent off code for the next few days, "33 halloween".[/QUOTE]It has expired, where / how did you find the code?