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[QUOTE=Vbgent4u2c; 1206065]I'm absolutely stunned that one of the SM's I gave an awesome referral to decided to tell the lady all about this board and even showed her posts or PM's! He also told her I was posting her info. WTF? I don't know why he would even bring this board up to any lady (especially a very attractive one that was referred to him) and I have no friggin idea why he would LIE to her about me posting her info, but there it is. This will be one less SM that receives referrals from me in the future.

Another recently new SM sent this PM to me:

[B]Hi I'd be grateful if you could share both these women info me. Is there anything else you can tell me about them like rates, services, what city they're located in. Since there UTR how did you manage to come across them? I don't have many numbers to trade right now as it's been hard for me get out to find girls.

(other part of post deleted)

Any info you can pass on would be appreciated. [/B]

Really? Are you kidding me? I'm surprised he didn't ask me for her SSN, DOB and address? Then he wants me to tell him how I found them? LOL!

Incredible. [/QUOTE]I feel your pain.

That is so funny, all the SMs post about how they won't share because the newbies don't know etiquette, can't keep mouth closed, etc. And here you go a SM screws it up. Honestly there have been a hand full of SM on this site that have been decent to deal with (you guys know who you are) and the rest are "hey just give me info, I might share with you" and give you some burned out crack head's number everyone has from BP, and hasn't even seen, in exchange for the real deal. Or my favorite "thanks for the info but, sorry nothing for you because you are not a SM, can't trust you". And they even ruined it for me with a couple of the girls by telling them that they got her number from this board, just like this guy did here.

Sad thing is I've gotten more reliable info from guys with 10 posts than from some with 100+. I mean one SM had info on 10, count'them 10 girls. WOW. He was SM because he posts a lot. That was it. I traded him tit for tat (his idea because I was not SM) of the 10 he had. 8 were from BP (he had only seen 4 of those) and he got 10 NEW ones he didn't have. Now the worst part is I hooked (with referral) him up one of my ATF. She calls me and tells me NEVER to refer anyone else because he showed up drunk, was a jerk, tried to shortchange her and told her he was going to hook her up with all his friends. So then she got a lot of calls from his buddies afterwards, many of whom were jerks when she said no. Then the idiot goes and posts about her, so much for UTR. I mean why in the blue hell would he get a UTR contact and then share it with the world and then post about it?

Now this newbie with about 5 posts PM's me about a massage parlor. I hooked him up with girl's name and BOOM, he dumps info on me, he has more girls he has tried, verified and classified than the trusted SM who just posts a lot. And he wasn't a jerk about it. I guess quality over quantity.

All in all I've never had a "newbie" screw things up like several SM's have. Just like that one did. Go figure.

Unfortunately the Norfolk / Tidewater boards have a lot of quick posters, trying to get SM status. Coupled with the more experienced members non sharing, newbie bashing and lopsided info sharing, has led to this board being very quiet recently, very different from years ago. Look at the Richmond area and the number of informative posts vs what we have in Norf / Tidewater. Why is that? We have more population and the girls are out there. But no posts. WTF? Maybe it is the military "this is my bailiwick" keep it to myself attitude, I don't know help me out here, seems like our board has lost focus on it's purpose.

For the SM's who will undoubtedly rebut, yeah I am not a SM and I only have a dozen or so posts, I just don't post that often anymore, it just seems to be a waste of time. I used to years ago, but the board has changed a lot since then. Which is sad. I just stick with my network of buddies and go from there, which means I have become a non-sharer like many others here, jaded and waiting, hoping for change.

BTW, I have been doing this for a long time, I have worked as a doorman for several local and out of town clubs and services, so remember just because someone posts a lot doesn't mean they are stone cold and those that don't post much might have something to offer.

Now I will sit back and wait for the feedback. This should be good. But at least people will be talking. LOL

I agree with you somewhat, but I didn't mention the 10 or so requests that I received from newbies that were equally as ignorant. Mostly because I expect that from rookies and just quietly delete those requests.

I also find it difficult to believe you are so jaded already. There are several SM's around that regularly exchange quality info with me whereas I have yet to get anything but requests from newbies.

I also don't really agree with your comparison to Richmond. That is comparing apples to oranges as Richmond has a much longer and larger SW history. Which I really don't mess with anymore. There are plenty of attractive and willing ladies in the Tidewater area and I am sometimes surprised at where I find them.

I think there are a lot of things at play here, there are guys that are SMs but, when you stop and read their posted it quickly becomes clear that they are contributing vary little or not really at all. Even SMs that do contribute good info can be SOBs, Capt Save a hoe, white knights, etc and the only way you find out is getting burned or not. New guys are just unverified; it's not that they can't be trusted they just have not established credibility yet. Yes there is a difference, I always respond back to them (as long as they are polite) explaining that I can't put the lady in that kind of danger, most except that and many have gone on and become SMs that I pass info to back channel or before I post it.

I think the board in this area is slow right now is twofold 1st LE has been aggressive in at least 2 cities and has racked up some large numbers. 2nd and maybe it's just me and lack of time to find them but I do not think there are the numbers here that there is in some other places. The streets are slow and I have not seen anything worth a 2nd look for some time, BP on the North side has been low numbers, low quality, unverifiable for the most part.

And VB you know you're the king at finding the UTR girls, don't know how you do it.

I can't speak for anybody else here but myself so I will say this: I don't have too many posts on here because when I do go out and hunt, I'm trying to come back with reliable information so I can share it among you guys. For the last 2 years, I've been in NC and it's just as much slim pickings down there than it is up here.

My rule is this: no info, no post. I think some of the posters on here treat the SW like their actual girlfriends. I see no point withholding valuable information from other posters on here unless they're going to do something stupid with it like tell the SW herself. I believe we should have a fair exchange of information on here, but only to those who are trustworthy.

If you give a poster some [I]detailed and valuable[/I] Information and he misuses it, write his name down on a sheet of paper and name it the "Do Not Share" list like the government's do not call list. Hell, we keep track of regular SWs we visit, why not keep a simple network of SM or RM that we can give a valid exchange of info too?

I agree that there is slim pickings around this area now. I have been here since 2003 and I noticed the decline since 2006. I have seen a few ladies on backpage and craigslist but I defintley prefer SW's because I have found way better talent. I don't post around often because there is nothing to post about. I have seen a few ladies every now and then but I would touch them. I had also had a few newbies ask me for referals but if they never gave a contributing report I told them politely I don't trust them and tell them to "get their feet wet".
If I get a number from a SW I will try them a few times before I refer them to other members because I hate to give bad referals. I finf it baffling that some monger would treat SW's like its their girlfriend. Even though they are people with feelings but playin captain save a ho will lead you down the wrong road.

I also don't understand why people keep going to the AMP's around here thinking they will get extras. I could tell they are legit from the way they are set up without even stepping inside. I'm not saying some ladies aren't willing to do extras but they some might do it on the side. I don't want to waste any of my money to find out. I think they use the ads just to lure men in to keep coming back. So my point is if you want exras from an AMP you probably have to go somewhere else. And if someone does find something they definitley dould post into detial on this board. I never been to an AMP around the DC area but the AMP's in Warren OH abount 1 hour from Cleveland will make sure you leave happy.

Good to know there are some out there that are paying attention. I agree that the SW has slowed down quite a bit, but mostly because of CL and Backpage. These girls may not be the brightest but they learn pretty quickly that they can make more, for less and with less danger that way. That is where a lot have gone. You get a ghetto acting girl off an add chances are she would have been a street walker years ago.

I don't agree that Richmond has a longer history than we do. Remember we are a PORT TOWN with sailors. And with that goes the business of pleasure. So I think Norfolk wins the long term race on that. If you know a single sailor stationed here, I am sure he can tell you, or find out, where to look for that type.

On that note many girls have all retreated to the military areas, there is more, easier money there. Simple rule. Horny, drunk sailors spend money like horny, drunk sailors. Follow the money. I have had great success recently near Little Creek bars. Just up road from OV.

AMP, guys I keep this quiet because they will get busted if enough info gets out there, look at the place at Hilltop a few months ago. BUT contrary to popular opinion. I have gotten FS here at many different AMP. Not a fluke, just got to be able to read the provider and get the money right. And it is not that expensive. Learn a little Chinese. It goes along way. Trust me the difference in tip from a HJ to BBBJ is not as much as you would think. Plus a great massage.

MY two cents for today. Hope it helps

[url]http://norfolk.craigslist.org/bts/2416577275.html[/url]

This is a very huge black girl working out of an apartment close to Ocean View. Talked to her and she assured me she was all female and that was a recent picture on her Website. Not even close. Opened the door, took a look and just walked away. This is the reason I don't mind paying for Nadia, Cherish, Alara and some of the others. A clean safe place with an attractive girl is worth the extra for me. Good connections can be made with CMT but it takes time and some good tips for seed money.

[QUOTE=Sleeplessinche; 1208181]Good to know there are some out there that are paying attention. I agree that the SW has slowed down quite a bit, but mostly because of CL and Backpage. These girls may not be the brightest but they learn pretty quickly that they can make more, for less and with less danger that way. That is where a lot have gone. You get a ghetto acting girl off an add chances are she would have been a street walker years ago.

I don't agree that Richmond has a longer history than we do. Remember we are a PORT TOWN with sailors. And with that goes the business of pleasure. So I think Norfolk wins the long term race on that. If you know a single sailor stationed here, I am sure he can tell you, or find out, where to look for that type.

On that note many girls have all retreated to the military areas, there is more, easier money there. Simple rule. Horny, drunk sailors spend money like horny, drunk sailors. Follow the money. I have had great success recently near Little Creek bars. Just up road from OV.

AMP, guys I keep this quiet because they will get busted if enough info gets out there, look at the place at Hilltop a few months ago. BUT contrary to popular opinion. I have gotten FS here at many different AMP. Not a fluke, just got to be able to read the provider and get the money right. And it is not that expensive. Learn a little Chinese. It goes along way. Trust me the difference in tip from a HJ to BBBJ is not as much as you would think. Plus a great massage.

MY two cents for today. Hope it helps[/QUOTE]I agree completely with paragraph one.

As for Richmond having a longer and richer history I should have clarified that I meant here on the board. Of course being a port town has relatively little to do with things now. Back during WWII sure, there were brothels on Hampton Blvd in Norfolk, but nowadays it is slim pickings even by the bases.

I also disagree with with horny, druken sailors spending money on women. Most of the young sailors I know don't really have enough income to support a hobby like this. There are exceptions, but if what you were saying is true OV would still be booming and sailors would be out there on the 1st and 15th of every month. That just isn't happening.

I do agree with you comment about the local AMPs. There are many that will provide extras. As you say the important thing is knowing how / when to ask.

[QUOTE=Sleeplessinche; 1208181]Good to know there are some out there that are paying attention. I agree that the SW has slowed down quite a bit, but mostly because of CL and Backpage. These girls may not be the brightest but they learn pretty quickly that they can make more, for less and with less danger that way. That is where a lot have gone. You get a ghetto acting girl off an add chances are she would have been a street walker years ago.

I don't agree that Richmond has a longer history than we do. Remember we are a PORT TOWN with sailors. And with that goes the business of pleasure. So I think Norfolk wins the long term race on that. If you know a single sailor stationed here, I am sure he can tell you, or find out, where to look for that type.

On that note many girls have all retreated to the military areas, there is more, easier money there. Simple rule. Horny, drunk sailors spend money like horny, drunk sailors. Follow the money. I have had great success recently near Little Creek bars. Just up road from OV.

AMP, guys I keep this quiet because they will get busted if enough info gets out there, look at the place at Hilltop a few months ago. BUT contrary to popular opinion. I have gotten FS here at many different AMP. Not a fluke, just got to be able to read the provider and get the money right. And it is not that expensive. Learn a little Chinese. It goes along way. Trust me the difference in tip from a HJ to BBBJ is not as much as you would think. Plus a great massage.

MY two cents for today. Hope it helps[/QUOTE]On the whole, if one takes the entire Hampton Roads into consideration (the Peninsula and the Southside) , yes, we have a richer history than Richmond. But it is not the port or the military that is the root. As Vbgent said, the troops today really don't have the disposable income for the hobby. For the number of military installations in this area, there is really no mongering activity.

Another advantage to Richmond is the compactness of their strolls. One does not burn and entire tank of gas checking out the Richmond activity as one can easily do here. If I were to start in Newport News and head through Hampton to the OV in Norfolk, the streets near the beach in VB and then hit Chesapeake and Portsmouth before returning home through Newport News, I'd have driven well over 150 miles. If I see possible activity, then that mileage could easily exceed 200.

I have not tried any of the AMPs in this area. They have been just too few and far between. So I cannot comment on the availability of extras to be had.

I met Lilly on Lynnhaven and Magic Hollow Blvd in a small shopping center. Big much older woman without a tooth in her mouth. I asked her the typical ques and she says "not really but I could use some money." I ask her to hop in because she had some huge knockers and I wanted to see how them gums felt, hahaha! But she was so damn drunk she could barely get in and then said,"I think I'm going to be sick". So needless to say she got left!

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Last night around 8 pm I found a BSW walking down Holland Road across from DQ and acting as though she was talking on her cell but all the while keeping her eyes on people driving by. When I turned around and caught back up to her I asked her the usual and she asked me," why would I need a ride from a cop?" unfort for me I get this quite often. I asked again and tried to convince her that I wasn't but she just smiled and said,"naw, I'm sure someone who really wants to pick me up will come by." Frustrating but all the same, they are out there!

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Richmond poster here. Looking for some info on this agency that posts on the X these days. Wonder if any of you local boys can PM with some intel? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Illegal Smile; 1220315][url]www.overtheparadise.com[/url]

Richmond poster here. Looking for some info on this agency that posts on the X these days. Wonder if any of you local boys can PM with some intel? Thanks![/QUOTE]Message sent

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Richmond poster here. Looking for some info on this agency that posts on the X these days. Wonder if any of you local boys can PM with some intel? Thanks! [/QUOTE]They have stellar reviews and awesome looking ladies. Don't know how they do it (bringing a different hottie in every other week or so) , but why question a good thing?

I have not sampled as their screening process requires more info than I'm willing to give.

So I just got off from work today at the Oceanfront and got a glimpse of this lady (the one with the black shirt). I saw that she was walking around Pacific Ave, around the 7-Eleven a block up from where I worked and right across the street from a hotel which name I can't remember. I cruise back out later and what do you know, I pass by her and she gives me the look. I couldn't partake in any action cause everyone's least favorite uncle was lingering around close by like they always do.

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