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[QUOTE=Tomps134;5859470]Figured this might be the best thread to ask this question. Are there any bars in the Brandon, Valrico or Riverview area that are good to pickup talent? Had a few bars in my previous area of Georgia that were great to meet new people and you always had some decent looking women in there looking for fun. I'm new to Brandon and Valrico. Linksters or maybe Stingrays? Thanks for the input.[/QUOTE]In the past, I've had some luck at O'Briens and Raccoons but YMMV as I'm there wearing Captain Morgan's glasses.

A few weeks / months ago a conversation was had with friends and others that joined the conversation. I won't say where or other details. A local LEO joined the conversation since he knew someone in the group. We were talking about the prostitution problem in Tampa. Of course no one in this group admitted to mongering, even those I know one of them is a monger since we shared a few ladies before. The LEO mentioned this site and we all asked what the site is about. So he proceeded to show us on his phone. He also showed us a few of the lady sites like Listcrawler. He said other LEO he knows well keep up with the site for leads and intel to trap us or girls or even to stop med sales, and potential humantrafficking. He said some dealers use the site strictly to sale meds and ignore mongers. He also said that LEO has many user names on here which raised my eyebrows. And said they have many fake girl ads which we all know. He also said they sometimes even use old pics of real working local ladies.

This is an FYI and a reminder to be vary careful on your responses and actions in how you approach ladies. Also, don't trust newbies on here or even certain seniors that are sketchy. Follow the monger rules at all times. Read all the intel and lessons learned from vetted senior members on here. When you visit places, or where ever you meet, make sure to study your environment. Even once in the room if you visit a lady friend, if she is new to you don't discuss business just figure out how to get to the deed without discussing exchange of services. I'm sure we all knew about all I said, but we need reminding sometimes.

[QUOTE=HoChaser1;5865009]A few weeks / months ago a conversation was had with friends and others that joined the conversation. I won't say where or other details. A local LEO joined the conversation since he knew someone in the group. We were talking about the prostitution problem in Tampa. Of course no one in this group admitted to mongering, even those I know one of them is a monger since we shared a few ladies before. The LEO mentioned this site and we all asked what the site is about. So he proceeded to show us on his phone. He also showed us a few of the lady sites like Listcrawler. He said other LEO he knows well keep up with the site for leads and intel to trap us or girls or even to stop med sales, and potential humantrafficking. He said some dealers use the site strictly to sale meds and ignore mongers. He also said that LEO has many user names on here which raised my eyebrows. And said they have many fake girl ads which we all know. He also said they sometimes even use old pics of real working local ladies.

This is an FYI and a reminder to be vary careful on your responses and actions in how you approach ladies. Also, don't trust newbies on here or even certain seniors that are sketchy. Follow the monger rules at all times. Read all the intel and lessons learned from vetted senior members on here. When you visit places, or where ever you meet, make sure to study your environment. Even once in the room if you visit a lady friend, if she is new to you don't discuss business just figure out how to get to the deed without discussing exchange of services. I'm sure we all knew about all I said, but we need reminding sometimes.[/QUOTE]There are new laws coming down the pike, that will go ve LEO certain freedoms, be careful.

Plus the girls you know and trust get pinched every now and then. So sometimes they are working for the man to get a deal. I always assume it's a trap.

[QUOTE=HoChaser1;5865009]A few weeks / months ago a conversation was had with friends and others that joined the conversation. I won't say where or other details. A local LEO joined the conversation since he knew someone in the group. We were talking about the prostitution problem in Tampa. Of course no one in this group admitted to mongering, even those I know one of them is a monger since we shared a few ladies before. The LEO mentioned this site and we all asked what the site is about. So he proceeded to show us on his phone. He also showed us a few of the lady sites like Listcrawler. He said other LEO he knows well keep up with the site for leads and intel to trap us or girls or even to stop med sales, and potential humantrafficking. He said some dealers use the site strictly to sale meds and ignore mongers. He also said that LEO has many user names on here which raised my eyebrows. And said they have many fake girl ads which we all know. He also said they sometimes even use old pics of real working local ladies.

This is an FYI and a reminder to be vary careful on your responses and actions in how you approach ladies. Also, don't trust newbies on here or even certain seniors that are sketchy. Follow the monger rules at all times. Read all the intel and lessons learned from vetted senior members on here. When you visit places, or where ever you meet, make sure to study your environment. Even once in the room if you visit a lady friend, if she is new to you don't discuss business just figure out how to get to the deed without discussing exchange of services. I'm sure we all knew about all I said, but we need reminding sometimes.[/QUOTE]

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I've been told by a young lady recently that she would be leaving me a review. Do you know where these John reviews are?

[QUOTE=CosmicBingo;5878281]I've been told by a young lady recently that she would be leaving me a review. Do you know where these John reviews are?[/QUOTE]I too have heard about this monger review option for the women workers. I posted years ago about it, but never located any information about anything but that it exist. Any women on this site, or mongers that know about the website, or App, would assist so many here.

[QUOTE=WhyTry;5879221][QUOTE=CosmicBingo;5878281]I've been told by a young lady recently that she would be leaving me a review. Do you know where these John reviews are?[/QUOTE]I too have heard about this monger review option for the women workers. I posted years ago about it, but never located any information about anything but that it exist. Any women on this site, or mongers that know about the website, or App, would assist so many here.[/QUOTE]One should also consider the possibility that the young lady in question (and any others) was just bluffing, either as a means to encourage good behavior or discourage bad or even just to help perpetuate a myth.

The strongest argument for this is the simple fact that any such site is so hard to find. After all, it's a simple matter for anyone to find an escort review site. Why would it be so much harder to find a John review site, other than the simplest explanation that they simply don't exist? Or perhaps it could be that these sex workers are so much smarter and craftier than us at hiding their tracks (and off of Google). Put another way, if some of us can be so indiscrete and let it slip to a provider the existence and even where to go to find it, one would think that one of us could have managed to extract that equivalent information from one of them, if such a site really existed.

Another argument against their existence is the question of how it would even work. For escorts we have links to their ads, the name they go by and their work # (each of which they'd change only to try to outrun bad reviews). How would they reference us on their website? By a phone number which if we're smart is a burner # that we can easily change if we ever run into a pissed off provider (and remember for privacy reasons we're not allowed to post #'s on this site so why would their site be any different) or by the fake name we gave them? Unlike them we don't have any static (or at least semi-static) web address, no posted pics on-line (unless we stupidly sent them a pic or a means to find our social media pages)

But, let's next consider the other possibility that such sites do in fact exist (perhaps on the dark web?) and the digital footprints to them are just much much better hidden. I just did a quick Google search and, while I wasn't any more successful at discovering such a site than Why Try, I did find a couple of interesting links.

The 1st is [URL]https://nowtoronto.com/let-s-rate-the-johns-instead[/URL]. While that link doesn't really answer our question of the moment, it does provide an interesting (and not particularly complimentary) perspective on our own reviews from the escort point of view (or at least from one of them).

The 2nd interesting link DOES reference an actual John review website called Switter [URL]https://switter.at[/URL] which was started in 2018 but was forced to shutdown just last month.

I also found this post from an escort on Quora (which imhe is not the most reliable source). She references phone # search services, which as far as I know can provide all sorts of interesting info but not anything about performance as a John, and simple informal local word of mouth, which I'd think wouldn't be particularly effective in a large market such as ours. [Quote=Escort]You can get a lot from a phone number, and there are websites you can subscribe to and programs you can buy to run searches on people. And many escorts (in the US in particular) require ID so they know youre not a cop. Plus, we talk to each other.

If its any comfort, were not generally reviewing your bedroom skills. If someone is particularly good we might mention it, but for the most part we dont care about that, nor about your looks. We care about things like:

Are you polite?
Do you observe good hygiene? (Body, genitals, oral)
Did you ever attempt to haggle on price?
Did you tip? (Really only in the US; the rest of us think its mental to expect a tip when youre already paying so much)
Did you say anything racist / homophobic / misogynistic / ****-shaming / etc?
Did you try to get any extras that you didnt pay for?
Did you push for uncovered service?
Did you insult her, or use crude language about her without discussing it beforehand?
Did you ask before changing positions or touching her in a new place?
Did you do something she told you not to do, after she told you not to do it?
Did you overstay your time?
Did you show up late?
Did you do something else obnoxious?
We dont really care if youre good in bed, or what you look like, for the most part. We care that youre polite and respectful, clean, not an ass, and that you pay us what we agree on.[/quote]

[QUOTE=CosmicBingo;5878281]I've been told by a young lady recently that she would be leaving me a review. Do you know where these John reviews are?[/QUOTE]One is [URL]VerifyHim.com[/URL] A lot of providers use this one. Not all sex workers are dumb drug addicts. I've met some very smart sex workers.

[QUOTE=BestSwimmer;5880867]One is [URL]VerifyHim.com[/URL] A lot of providers use this one. Not all sex workers are dumb drug addicts. I've met some very smart sex workers.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I just tried to check it out. One needs to register in order to do any real search. And, in order to register, part of the registration verification process is an automated voice callback where the applicant has to say some random thing in a female voice (to be assessed later by the administrator before giving your application final approval).

The reason for that according to the website is "VerifyHim is a girls-only community. We don't want a blacklisted rapist joining us and then run a check on himself. That's why we don't allow anybody but ONLY girls to join our screening network."

But why not allow an ALLEGED rapist see what is being posted about him and give him an opportunity for counternarrative (or at least to have other providers he sees post alternative reviews of him as needed). After all, we all know that some of these providers are not exactly the most stable personalities and it wouldn't be beyond one of them from making things up just out of spite for reasons having nothing at all to do with anything the John did to really deserve it. Case in point, the recently reviewed Brittny who was blocking callers left and right for the tiniest of perceived slights before they ever even got to see her.

Furthermore, every other site I've ever seen, from the commercial record search sites to the escort listing sites with reviews like ListCrawler to this site itself, doesn't go to such extremes to prevent individuals from seeing what is being said about them or otherwise reported and provides the opportunity for counternarrative or, in the case of the record search, the opportunity to correct the record.

However, be that as it may, even with a resource for escorts like verifyhim being out there, I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. As most of you have seen, out of the thousands of providers who are out there in our community only, when you go to try to pull up a review only a very tiny percentage of them actually have any reviews and a high percentage of those reviews one manages to find are somewhat suspect. What makes you think it'd be any different on the other side with John's and the reviews that might be out there on them?

Furthermore, the providers that get the bad reviews invariably fall off the radar and try to stay ahead of those bad reviews by pulling their ads and changing the working name and number (and, LOL, by using different fake pics). Why would that be any different for bad John's?

As I covered in my previous post, for our part (unless we're making a date with one of those extremely rare providers with an incredibly rigorous screening process down to inspecting our ID's and not coincidentally most likely to be using verifyhim) we generally provide much less identifiable information than they do when making a date and what we do provide can be fake and easily changed as needed.

For example, unlike them we don't post pics of ourselves (with the possible exception of an SD ad) and we're not as tied to our burner #'s because we're not looking for any of the ones we see to contact us again for future dates (we're the ones that call them). If we ever suspect a provider may have (unfairly or otherwise) posted a bad review on us, it's an even simpler matter for us to create a new identity. Not that I'm suggesting that over simply not being a dickhead and warranting such reviews.

[QUOTE=BestSwimmer;5880867]One is [URL]VerifyHim.com[/URL] A lot of providers use this one. Not all sex workers are dumb drug addicts. I've met some very smart sex workers.[/QUOTE]To you and Chase Star for adding to the knowledge on this site. I am surprised anyone passes everything, every time, on that checklist you posted Chase. But now we know, LOL.

[QUOTE=WhyTry;5881275]To you and Chase Star for adding to the knowledge on this site. I am surprised anyone passes everything, every time, on that checklist you posted Chase. But now we know, LOL.[/QUOTE]They use that site and will ask you for a reference from a recently seen provider. These aren't the 60 QV girls. These women are trying to protect themselves as best they can from LEO or someone that will beat and rob them. The guy might be nice and everything goes great but everyone know there are Assholes out there both Male and Female. I once knew a provider that had a store front set up that looked like a legit business in downtown Tampa. Play was in the back. No, not Greek. WAIT, she did do that! LOL.

I seen this same girl for two day at the same spot with the same clothes. And she is carrying her stuff. Idk if she's on some bad luck. Couldn't stop to chat cause of work. She was on 50th and by Broadway just past that adult book store.

They are running a sting today around Publix to Hillsborough on neb. While cutting across seminol height area. There was a pretty chic Latin long hair very nice body wearing a wife beater and daisydukes on.