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[QUOTE=JohnRichard;3963508][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d4e98130-2cf6-d44c-c810-51fc15097393[/URL]

"Before you message me, please make sure you can afford me. I came up with a financial formula for my arrangements. Please have a minimum net worth, "MNW", equal to my net worth ($7 M) plus $5 M for each of the following traits you lack: being a non-smoker, the ability to use drugs / alcohol in moderation, a full head of hair, natural erections, a fairly fit body, kindness, intelligence on par with my own, attentiveness on par with my own, security in a relationship (read lack of jealousy), respect for women (e. G. YOUR WIFE), or attractiveness equal to my own. Have another $1 M for every year of age you have on me. If you have an ex entitled to alimony, double your MNW. If you have 2 -ex wives being supported, you clearly never learn, triple your MNW. If you don't have a sense of humor or can't do word problems, quadruple your MNW. On that note, if you lack empathy, you'll need to be a billionaire to get me on my knees. Even then, I'd probably just bite you (I know, not very empathetic). ".[/QUOTE]This shows you lack filtering skills my brother.

1. she started in 2013 - means she's seen it all, done it all, and if she's still here. She's a pro. End of story.

2. she's 43, anyone over 25, unless they're fat and ugly are going to have unrealistic expectations, a lot of these women think that age is equivalent to experience. Wrong industry honey.

3. her profile is like a mini book, that's a HUGE RED FLAG. This tells me she has a lot to say, which tells me she is very opinionated, and again see # 1 - she's seen it all. So she knows exactly what she wants and could care less what you want.

4. she's not attractive.

So while I think she's delusional to some extent, you can't bash her if she was a * to you, this is the kind of bird you see the profile, and keep on browsing. Hoefully you'll learn from that.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;3965339]I stopped counting a long time ago, like you say it's not a contest. I wish more people would share as I know over 500 people read this thread on a regular basis.[/QUOTE]I've stopped counting how many black SW I've fucked in my life. For the most part those are so easy to bag it's not even fun. But I do keep track of the SA girls because each one has a special memory, I was surprised that in a year and a half I wen through 50. When in 3 years before I had 56 or so.

I like stats.

92 out of 106 are under 25.

85 out of 106 are under 20.

4 out of 106 are over 35.

56 out of 106 are white.

38 out of 106 are latina.

4 out of 106 are asian.

8 out of 106 are black.

45 I saw only once.

38 I saw twice.

10 I saw three to five times.

13 I have seen more than 5 times.

I like stats. I took a break for about 5 months because I was dating a regular girl but recently I decided to go back. And you're right, it would be great if we had more input, I'll try to get back on this to share my stories.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;3962803]Its both. Looks to get their attention, but no amount of looks can compensate for creepiness, awkwardness, rudeness, stupidity, fake urgency, cockiness, talking about how good your are in bed or your dick size, or lack of confidence.

Humor, directness, confidence, knowledge, entertaining, spontaneity and a little perversion go a long way.[/QUOTE]I think that your success is completely related to how well you gauge what her needs are and find the ones that match what you have to offer. Because money will trump all for some, but for others they really want to feel safe and valued, other girls care if you are rich, others care if you're fat, or black, or married, or if you're too old. So it really depends on what she's like, there is no "magic" formula other than you honing in your skills in scanning profiles and learning which ones work best or if you're a stud, learning how to tailor your approach based on her profile.

Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=DavidTheSancho;3959716]So what's the end game here? I've seen a couple profiles with the same info and figured it was an agency managing girls. Possible LEO or just some person looking to get venmo'd some cash?[/QUOTE]Rai is a korean chick she's not a fake, but be careful she's a pro and she packs heat so. Buyer beware, I contactd her about six months ago on a different profile, she had regular pics back then. Again, be careful.

[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;3946923]Yah, use another IP address or buy a mobile wifi.[/QUOTE]I'm curious why I've been able to rejoin, I've been banned about 4 times and each time I just open up a new account with a different email, I delete my cache beforehand and my cookies, I don't know if THAT helps? Because I haven't been kicked out again.

Anyone had a similar experience?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;3930157]The 5 Steps in a Nutshell.

1 - Intro Letter. Talk about yourself and what you have to offer in general terms. End the letter with a question or let them know they should get back to you if everything sounds ok so far. Never re-try if they do not respond unless they are your specific type. Then let them know that and try one more time only.

2 - If they reply. Ask them what their financial expectations are and also let them know you are not a big spender but that you can add value in other ways. End the letter with a question or let them know that if that sounds ok to get back to you.

3 - If they reply. Let them know you have even more added value besides the donation and then let them know what your donation amount is.

4 a. If they reply that everything sounds good so far. Then move them to email or txt. I always go to email first in case things don't work out, then they do not have my cell phone number. Use a disposable email address that's only for SA.

4 b. If they want to negotiate. Me personally I never negotiate, if you do it once you will do it twice and it will take you off your game. I just wish them well and then sometimes they will give in, but mostly they don't.

5 - Now that you have them on email, get specific about what your intimacy expectations are. If they are in agreement move them to txt and set a date.

Once I have them on email I give them the choice of a platonic M&G or a paid date. I never ask for intercourse to take the pressure off. But I find all UTR's are happy to oblige without asking and that 50% of SB's also happily oblige. I will give an SB one paid date sans intercourse to make up her mind. But usually if they don't go all the way on the first date they never will. Usually but not always. Use your best judgement.

Under no circumstances pay for anything more than normal dating expenses for a platonic date. If you give a girl a $ thinking you will get lucky the next time, you are deluding yourself. Most girls know that if a guy does this they can work a G or two out of him before he gets angry and tells her to F off. There are exceptions to every rule, but too few to take the chance, and too many willing girls to have to. And however hot any girl is there are 10 more just as hot. And hot on the outside is no indication of how hot they are on the inside.[/QUOTE]I thought I would add my two cents on this, here's how I do things.

1. Intro letter. Send a short message, about a paragraph or so, basically outlining a concise message. I copy and paste that mofo- but have a tailored ending. That means that you can copy the body of the message where you introduce yourself and say a little about you and your experience, and vaguely mention what you're looking for, this is more about showing your personality. Never get straight to the point, this will scare off regular girls and you run a higher chance of getting pros to reply. When you personalize the ending, say at least one or two things about her profile that caught your attention, maybe mention something you two have in common or make a remark about a commnent she made in her profile like if she says she's shy, maybe you can address that. And leave it open ended. Kindly put your text number and say, feel free to reach me. Or something like that, get a google voice number, trust me. The last thing you want is for your real number to end you on that website [URL]sexualpredators.com[/URL].

2. Wait for her response, if she didn't respond, don't fret. If you really like her. Favorite her and give it a week or two. If she texts you then skip this step. If she writes back saying that she's not comfortable texting and wants to get to know you first, here's where I review her profile again, if she's over 21, dump her, move on. Trust me. More trouble than it's worth. If she's 18 to 21, be patient, tell her it's ok and tell her a little bit more about you, don't mention anything about meeting, ask her a little about her personal life. If she replies wanting to talk money. Don't answer that, be vague, say something like, I understand this process and I know what this is about, but I'd like to get to know you a little more before committing to anything. If she's insisting and starts with the " I don't want to waste your time or mine " speech. Time to bail. Or insist on a phone number, if she refuses and wants to talk money over SA message, bail. Fuck her. She's more trouble than its worth.

3. Getting her to text you is key. I am of the belief that email is delayed, and there are so many other variables, unless you're an email person that checks your email more often than your text, which is like the dudes that pee sitting down.. wtf.. lol
I say try to get OFF email as soon as you can, because once you you get her number, you can gauge if she's real, can't tell you how many show up on my FB, SNAPCHAT, IG, and KIK... , if she's a fake, most SA pros don't want to waste time, so judge how fast she moves, the faster she does, it means she's a cheap date, no more than 120. Or less if you can. Once you text, don't start texting back and forth like if you were in HS and dating her. No more than 20 to 30 exchanges to establish a friendly connection, DO NOT ask to call, or talk on the phone, if you're over 40 you won't understand this but anyone under 30 thinks talking on the phone is weird, and if they're 21 or under, they'll stop talking to you altogether likely. Here is where you want to find out if she's done this before, if she has, let her take the lead and reveal what it's been like, if she asks you, be vauge, say that you'd love to share your stories over coffee or a drink, always give them that option. It makes you come across as a gentlemen but not a square. If she starts talking about wanting to discuss money, and is insisting, I'd say dump her but if you really like her, what I've done is throw out monthly figures, and leave it open ended, if she presses you for details then you say. I'd feel more comfortable discussing this in person, try to avoid texting money over text or email because if things go south these biatches can screencapture you and send it to SA and there goes your membership.

4. Getting that first date, this is the tricky part, because especially with newbies, they will FLAKE, but don't always take it as a bad sign just be aware of it, never be pushy, that increases the likelyhood that they will bail, also always offer a public place but don't INSIST on it, thow it out there that you can meet at your place as well but as an afterthought. If she's adventureous she'll come to your place. I'm not going to share my negotiation tactics, because they again are very personal, and to each his own, because if you're fat, or old, or poor, or ugly, or not good with women, or have low self esteem, whatever, this is where you have to find what is your weakness and strength and try to comensate trust me, every mofo on SA has a weakness of sorts, that's why we are on it, anyone who tells you otherwise if full of caca. Because what works for HollywoodGuy won't work for me and what will work for me might now work for you. The key is, be respectful, be generous and I don't mean money wise, I mean give them your attention, your time and shower them with a feeling that they're important in whatever way you want, whether its with gifts, or deep conversations, or showing them the world. This is what separates the real girls from the cragslist girls that will accept 100 on SA. To each their own but if you're looking for cheap pussy my way isn't for you. Not to say that you have to give them hundreds of dollars, but be fair, be honest about who you are, and what your limitations are, girls will sense it if you're being upfront or if you're bullshitting them, and they'll react accordingly. I was seeing a girl for a while that was happy that I paid her car note every month, and I took one to NY for NYE and didn't give her a dime but just gave her the time of her life. Again. It's all relative. If you treat SA like another CL or an HX. Then you probably won't get the best results out of it.

5. If there's a connection and you guys hit it off. Brother share your story, maybe share how it went down. I'm against passing info on this site because these girls aren't like CL hookers, they want to be the ones to make the choice to let you in. But nothing wrong with sharing stories and who knows, maybe we've been with the same chick. It's all possible. Like I fucked one of the girls that was living with HollywoodGuy, I picked her up next to some swedish furniture store and we fucked in the backseat. Small world.

BEST OF LUCK TO ALL.

[QUOTE=LuvBigTetas;3965352]I've stopped counting how many black SW I've fucked in my life. For the most part those are so easy to bag it's not even fun. But I do keep track of the SA girls because each one has a special memory, I was surprised that in a year and a half I wen through 50. When in 3 years before I had 56 or so.

I like stats.

92 out of 106 are under 25.

85 out of 106 are under 20.

4 out of 106 are over 35.

56 out of 106 are white.

38 out of 106 are latina.

4 out of 106 are asian.

8 out of 106 are black.

45 I saw only once.

38 I saw twice.

10 I saw three to five times.

13 I have seen more than 5 times.

I like stats. I took a break for about 5 months because I was dating a regular girl but recently I decided to go back. And you're right, it would be great if we had more input, I'll try to get back on this to share my stories.[/QUOTE]I was bored at work and mad that I had never kept stats so I started from memory. I still have it at work, but my SB count from the last two years (about 30) is approaching my civi count. I am 57. I put SW, strip club, AMP and Apt girls in another category, funny thing is I can't remember a decent amount of those. The SW's because the only time I sampled I was pretty drunk. The AMP and Apt, because really nothing special except for a few. I can't remeber if it just a HJ or FS from a bunch of visits or how many times I visited Apts, I should have kept stats. I am still trying to get my first black SA girl. I'm in Chicago and no where near the selection you LA guys get.

[QUOTE=LuvBigTetas;3965420]
5. If there's a connection and you guys hit it off. Brother share your story, maybe share how it went down. I'm against passing info on this site because these girls aren't like CL hookers, they want to be the ones to make the choice to let you in. But nothing wrong with sharing stories and who knows, maybe we've been with the same chick. It's all possible. Like I fucked one of the girls that was living with HollywoodGuy, I picked her up next to some swedish furniture store and we fucked in the backseat. Small world.

BEST OF LUCK TO ALL.[/QUOTE]Back when my house was a pussy-go-round (about 5 years ago) I caught one of my temporary roommates sneaking out of my daughters room at like 7 am. What cums around goes around. Great contribution. I know you guys have some stories to tell. Let's hear them. PPL sometimes doubt my stories, I know for a fact this one is true cuz of the swedish furniture store. You can't make this shit up. lol

[QUOTE=AlMelrose;3965466]I was bored at work and mad that I had never kept stats so I started from memory. I still have it at work, but my SB count from the last two years (about 30) is approaching my civi count. I am 57. I put SW, strip club, AMP and Apt girls in another category, funny thing is I can't remember a decent amount of those. The SW's because the only time I sampled I was pretty drunk. The AMP and Apt, because really nothing special except for a few. I can't remeber if it just a HJ or FS from a bunch of visits or how many times I visited Apts, I should have kept stats. I am still trying to get my first black SA girl. I'm in Chicago and no where near the selection you LA guys get.[/QUOTE]Funny, I love stats, but I ditched all my conquest stats, and now only keep age, height, weight stats of the girls on my to do or am currently doing list. The only other qualifier, is I keep the UTR stats separate from the SB stats.

[QUOTE=LuvBigTetas;3965358]I think that your success is completely related to how well you gauge what her needs are and find the ones that match what you have to offer. Because money will trump all for some, but for others they really want to feel safe and valued, other girls care if you are rich, others care if you're fat, or black, or married, or if you're too old. So it really depends on what she's like, there is no "magic" formula other than you honing in your skills in scanning profiles and learning which ones work best or if you're a stud, learning how to tailor your approach based on her profile.

Happy hunting![/QUOTE]There is no magic formula. Although I think the basic framework of mine would work for almost anyone, but like you say, filling their needs with what you have to offer. I am more of an instant gratification kind of guy and dont play the long game. I mostly just have a type and I stick to it, and let them know that they are in no uncertain terms a part of that group, whether its physically (which is where it all starts) and then to the emotional/psychological (which is what will seal the deal with an SB). The GPS asian I had recently was an interesting date only because physically we both were not the others type so much. But on a deep psychological level, she got to fulfill her fantasy. This shit definitely keeps me busy.

And I know its a generalization, but whenever I hear about how often someone goes hunting or fishing, I just think to myself... these guys don't have a clue. (and no offence to anyone that took it)

[QUOTE=AlMelrose;3965466]I was bored at work and mad that I had never kept stats so I started from memory. I still have it at work, but my SB count from the last two years (about 30) is approaching my civi count. I am 57. I put SW, strip club, AMP and Apt girls in another category, funny thing is I can't remember a decent amount of those. The SW's because the only time I sampled I was pretty drunk. The AMP and Apt, because really nothing special except for a few. I can't remeber if it just a HJ or FS from a bunch of visits or how many times I visited Apts, I should have kept stats. I am still trying to get my first black SA girl. I'm in Chicago and no where near the selection you LA guys get.[/QUOTE]I even have a private IG account where I upload a photo of them. Just as my trophy. Ha ha ha. Sometimes I like to look at it and the memories come back, including the ones that ended up ending not so well. LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;3965471]Back when my house was a pussy-go-round (about 5 years ago) I caught one of my temporary roommates sneaking out of my daughters room at like 7 am. What cums around goes around. Great contribution. I know you guys have some stories to tell. Let's hear them. PPL sometimes doubt my stories, I know for a fact this one is true cuz of the swedish furniture store. You can't make this shit up. lol[/QUOTE]She had great tits. Pussy was ok, and her attitude was kinda rushed, thinking back maybe she snuck out. Ha ha ha, she texted me a few times after that but I never went back, just did'nt hit it off but still very nice rack. Brava HG!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;3965480]There is no magic formula. Although I think the basic framework of mine would work for almost anyone, but like you say, filling their needs with what you have to offer. I am more of an instant gratification kind of guy and dont play the long game. I mostly just have a type and I stick to it, and let them know that they are in no uncertain terms a part of that group, whether its physically (which is where it all starts) and then to the emotional/psychological (which is what will seal the deal with an SB). The GPS asian I had recently was an interesting date only because physically we both were not the others type so much. But on a deep psychological level, she got to fulfill her fantasy. This shit definitely keeps me busy.

And I know its a generalization, but whenever I hear about how often someone goes hunting or fishing, I just think to myself... these guys don't have a clue. (and no offence to anyone that took it)[/QUOTE]I noticed you have a type, nothing wrong with that. Like you said, if you know what you want and you know how to get it, more power to ya. I prefer the psychological game because that's where my strength lies, the mental fuck. I don't have a 10 inch dick and not what you would call a "good looking guy". But I privately laugh to myself when I think of the hotties that have spent hours with me sharing with me their intimate dreams after a night of sex, knowing that if it weren't for SA they wouldn't have given me the time of day. I pull in about 130 k, I'm middle class at best, not a sugar daddy by LA standards, and yet I've managed to do ok in this game, from UCLA coeds, to aspiring country singers, to models, and little tight hoochie mommas. It's been a crazy ride, I know it won't last forever, and sometimes I wonder if for some of us that don't have the love of our life to live a regular meaningful fulfilling life, this is a consolation, and if it is. Trust me, when I'm at costco watching the mumu's with the scowl on their face because the hubby is taking too long to load the car. I am somewhat relieved. But as far as these guys that go fishing. We all want to eat. My only real beef is with the a--holes that are out on SA trying to scam girls out of freebies and give the rest of us a bad name. I sometimes feel compelled to share everything I know but then I'm like. This was from trail and error, f'ck that. Ha ha ha. But then I'm like it doesn't hurt to share a little bit.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;3965480]There is no magic formula. Although I think the basic framework of mine would work for almost anyone, but like you say, filling their needs with what you have to offer. I am more of an instant gratification kind of guy and dont play the long game. I mostly just have a type and I stick to it, and let them know that they are in no uncertain terms a part of that group, whether its physically (which is where it all starts) and then to the emotional/psychological (which is what will seal the deal with an SB). The GPS asian I had recently was an interesting date only because physically we both were not the others type so much. But on a deep psychological level, she got to fulfill her fantasy. This shit definitely keeps me busy.

And I know its a generalization, but whenever I hear about how often someone goes hunting or fishing, I just think to myself... these guys don't have a clue. (and no offence to anyone that took it)[/QUOTE]The long game is a true hit and miss, but I can vouch that when you get a girl that was flaky and indecisive and aloof or needed some coaching. The experience is at a whole new level. For example there was this one girl whom I saw on SA about three years ago, and I loved her tits (I'm including a pic). She was cute, but she was very non committal, in fact she flaked on me a handful of times, and once when I was in her neighborhood. For about a solid three months, I would text her off and on, sometimes she'd respond, other times she wouldn't. And it went like that until one day, she was in my area and was like ok, I'll come by, she came by to my place, we chatted, I fucked her. And after that I saw her twice a week, for about 6 months until one day she just disappeared. Best rack I've ever seen on a girl. All natural, dd's. She had such a sweet voice. Thinking about her makes me hard. But that I would've lost on if I hadn't been persistent. Sometimes some of the girls, aren't really into the whole "arrangement", not all are hurting for cash, there's some who are just curious, or have their curiosity peaked. So while I agree that you have to decide WHO is worth investing the long game with, because some girls you see and you just go. If I can get her for tonight I'm good. But the long game can be fruitful. But to each his own.

[QUOTE=LuvBigTetas;3965517]My only real beef is with the a--holes that are out on SA trying to scam girls out of freebies and give the rest of us a bad name. [/QUOTE]There is actually a lot more of that going on than I ever realized until I am not sure when, but there are guys, that are ROB's and then there are a bunch of check scammers as well. It's one reason I try to get them early on in their SB career (the other being they may have had a rich SD). If they have been around a while, most likely they have been scammed one way or another. I have encountered a few girls asking me about did I expect a free trial to test the chemistry, but not for a while now.

In reverse I don't know how many times in the past I've been duped out of like .3 for sending a girl "gas money" that never showed. At least 3 times a year. I am like Charlie and the football when it comes to that shit.

I have an exclusive account for SA but one of the girls I messaged must have been a russian spammer because no matter how many emails I block I still get a few spams a day trying to get me to verify, or some other BS.