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[QUOTE=Ebhunter;3070202]I'm not going to say these young ladies can't change but I find it very hard to believe they will change because of captaining. 99% of the girls were abused or have mental issues which caused them to turn to candy in the first place. Unless the captain is a shrink and owns a rehab he is wasting his time. All the girls have family that has been forced to let them bottom out, captain enabler is not the solution. Yes the girls are human and they deserve to be treated like humans but they are not logical and they don't live normal lives. When is the last time you saw the bank teller or Publix checker servicing strangers on the weekend? If the girls live long enough to get treatment they can change but until then just treat them like humans and enjoy their company one hour at a time.[/QUOTE]Funny you mentioned about the bank teller as there is one that I know of periodically shows up on BP. No candy habits but her full time is loan officer at bank. Should have seen both our faces when I had walked into the branch in my job revealing attire. We both had a good laugh about it later and still are friends.
Completely understand about candy habit thing and the difficulties associated with it. Most aren't willing to drop the habit as it usually means they have to give up "friends" and all that they know and are familiar with. I have also seen where they pull the captain into their world and life spirals down for the wannabe captain. Like I said, just seen several references and was curious if there's been any success.
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[QUOTE=TikiJoe;3070284]Funny you mentioned about the bank teller as there is one that I know of periodically shows up on BP. No candy habits but her full time is loan officer at bank. Should have seen both our faces when I had walked into the branch in my job revealing attire. We both had a good laugh about it later and still are friends.
Completely understand about candy habit thing and the difficulties associated with it. Most aren't willing to drop the habit as it usually means they have to give up "friends" and all that they know and are familiar with. I have also seen where they pull the captain into their world and life spirals down for the wannabe captain. Like I said, just seen several references and was curious if there's been any success.[/QUOTE]One of the main reasons I search and prefer someone utr. That does this for a little extra cash, has a job, so this isn't her main source of income.
Not sure if this is considered "success", but I know of a provider talked about on here. Middle aged, and married, but the husband, who is considerably older, post ads for her, when she doesn't even know it. He has a successful job, but is somewhat of pimp I think. She has a pill and alcohol problem, which I assume numbs her. Saw her at a grocery store once, she looked sad and tired.
Was wondering if she was in the business before and he Captained her. But no way to tell at all. I don't really see her any more.
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Captaining
[QUOTE=Ripper69;3070373]One of the main reasons I search and prefer someone utr. That does this for a little extra cash, has a job, so this isn't her main source of income.
Not sure if this is considered "success", but I know of a provider talked about on here. Middle aged, and married, but the husband, who is considerably older, post ads for her, when she doesn't even know it. He has a successful job, but is somewhat of pimp I think. She has a pill and alcohol problem, which I assume numbs her. Saw her at a grocery store once, she looked sad and tired.
Was wondering if she was in the business before and he Captained her. But no way to tell at all. I don't really see her any more.[/QUOTE]My personal experience with 'captaining' is that if I am going to be a captain, then I cannot sample the product. These girls are mostly broken before they ever hit the streets. The candy is the only thing that numbs them and well, let's face it selling themselves to a bunch of strange men at will isn't going to build self esteem, self worth. They spiral down to the point where they die, or hit bottom. Some surrender and change their lives. I know, I am a recovering addict with 31 plus years clean. The last one I attempted to captain, robbed me twice. The main thing is that one cannot expect rational thinking from an irrational person. The only thing they know is get money to get the candy. It is a very sad state of affairs for them. I try to find one that is enjoyable, both physically and that I can get to know. It at least creates a 'feeling' of a relationship. From time to time I take them out to dinner and a movie and give them some dignity. I never treat them as less than. I too could be there but for the grace of god. If someone asks me to 'captain' them, I immediately let them know that the captain does not get sample the products and guide as best I can. Twice in my life I have been able to help two get off the streets. One is now married to a successful contractor and has two kids. The other went home to Texas and from time to time I hear from her. I bought her plane ticket home for her as a going away present. Two successes and at least a hundred failed attempts. But, the two make ti all worth it. I do not want a wife or a steady girlfriend, so for me mongering is my way of having fun. But, never at the expense of the dignity of another human being. I have heard many of their stories. I have to say, I find them to be stronger than most. Many would have killed themselves having been what they've been through. They are suffering so much pain to stay alive. I try to bring some moments of joy in their lives. I find out their birthdays and bring them a card. Tonight I had one old friend call me and she was hungry. I brought her dinner and smokes ot her hotel room. Listened to her troubles and hugged her and left. She smiled and thanked me. She said," your a good dude. " I could've probably gotten a BBBJ free. But the point was, I just wanted her to know that there is one person who thinks more of her than that. She smiled and I came home. It for me is not all about the sex. Oh, yes, I enjoy the good ones. But I also do my best to try to remember they are human beings with feeling s and troubles too. I prefer one steady. Just my opinion. After years of mongering.
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Its all business
[QUOTE=Ebhunter;3070202]I'm not going to say these young ladies can't change but I find it very hard to believe they will change because of captaining. 99% of the girls were abused or have mental issues which caused them to turn to candy in the first place. Unless the captain is a shrink and owns a rehab he is wasting his time. All the girls have family that has been forced to let them bottom out, captain enabler is not the solution. Yes the girls are human and they deserve to be treated like humans but they are not logical and they don't live normal lives. When is the last time you saw the bank teller or Publix checker servicing strangers on the weekend? If the girls live long enough to get treatment they can change but until then just treat them like humans and enjoy their company one hour at a time.[/QUOTE]Really I couldn't give two shits less about any of these girls. Whether she's a SW or a back page girl they serve one purpose and that is to service my needs. Most are paid quite well, and most if not all share the same feelings about me. Its not easy to get clean especially when your home is on the streets but that's not my problem. We've all watched enough episodes of intervention to know all we are doing is enabling. Even if you don't have sex with them and you just want to help them out you're enabling. Again, NMP. I'm kind to every girl I see even if things don't go all that well. I never expect a refund and as far as that goes never have asked. Its a business deal, some are great some you wish there was another way out. I've known several girls that are no longer with us. I'm damn sure not going to write a letter to mom and dad expressing my sympathy. "Hey I'm sorry about your loss but man could your daughter fuck. " Probably not a good idea. Just move on to the next provider and make another business deal.
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Maya
Went to see her a couple of days ago. [URL]http://sarasota.backpage.com/BodyRubs/lets-start-our-time-with-nuru-body-to-body-massage-privat-home/15655720[/URL].
Eastern European girl, easy to get ahold of, offers a NURU massage. Lots of slipping and sliding, but no FS. She got $$. Good attitude, will be around for a couple of months. I would probably not repeat, but it is an authentic NURU massage with lots of NURU gel.
Ironically I recently returned from a trip to Budapest. The same service over there can be had for 50 bucks.
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Captaining
[QUOTE=KnotKnew;3071507]Really I couldn't give two shits less about any of these girls. Whether she's a SW or a back page girl they serve one purpose and that is to service my needs. Most are paid quite well, and most if not all share the same feelings about me. Its not easy to get clean especially when your home is on the streets but that's not my problem. We've all watched enough episodes of intervention to know all we are doing is enabling. Even if you don't have sex with them and you just want to help them out you're enabling. Again, NMP. I'm kind to every girl I see even if things don't go all that well. I never expect a refund and as far as that goes never have asked. Its a business deal, some are great some you wish there was another way out. I've known several girls that are no longer with us. I'm damn sure not going to write a letter to mom and dad expressing my sympathy. "Hey I'm sorry about your loss but man could your daughter fuck. " Probably not a good idea. Just move on to the next provider and make another business deal.[/QUOTE]Knotknew, I agree fully with what you say. Most don't give two shits about you and if the thought they could rip you, they would. Truth is, the only time I have ever offered help is when they ask and even then, I am cautious about it. I have seen these girls ask for help just so they could set you up. Period. Every now and then one gets under my skin and it can lead to troubles for both parties. Business is business. Yet, there are two I can think of that in the end, meant they wanted help and I am glad I was there for them. The rest, well, either in prison, dead or looking so bad now that I wouldn't give two jacksons for an hour. As a male, who once was an escort, I can tell you that breaking the cycle is the hardest thing to do. You get use to the big money and then medicate cause you feel like shit. The cycle continues until you hit such a low that even the drugs don't help. A bottom. I hit mine and walked away, got clean and have been so for many years. I also do not escort anymore, as it is a trigger for me. Usually I am pleasant and if they do their job well, they get tipped. Just the other night one called me and I brought her dinner at her hotel. We became friends, but, I do not use her services anymore. Just there to talk. If a hand reaches out for help, I will extend mine. But, that being said, if they don't ask, I do not offer and personally, I do not care anymore about them, then they do me. I will not captain anyone at all, ever. Don't need the headaches and bullshit that goes along with it. If I wanted to be a counselor, I would do that. I am a monger and enjoy it. Thanks for sharing as your side of this is just as important as any other.
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[QUOTE=Retster;3072628]Went to see her a couple of days ago. [URL]http://sarasota.backpage.com/BodyRubs/lets-start-our-time-with-nuru-body-to-body-massage-privat-home/15655720[/URL].
Eastern European girl, easy to get ahold of, offers a NURU massage. Lots of slipping and sliding, but no FS. She got $$. Good attitude, will be around for a couple of months. I would probably not repeat, but it is an authentic NURU massage with lots of NURU gel.
Ironically I recently returned from a trip to Budapest. The same service over there can be had for 50 bucks.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. You said no F's, but was there a he? Or just the slip and' slide? She looks fantastic.
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Maya
[QUOTE=Keetz79;3073073]Thanks for the report. You said no F's, but was there a he? Or just the slip and' slide? She looks fantastic.[/QUOTE]Not as good as the pics, but still very passable. A HE from slipping and sliding and a handee. I said "No sex", she said " Better than sex". You be the judge.
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[QUOTE=Retster;3072628]Went to see her a couple of days ago. [URL]http://sarasota.backpage.com/BodyRubs/lets-start-our-time-with-nuru-body-to-body-massage-privat-home/15655720[/URL].
Eastern European girl, easy to get ahold of, offers a NURU massage. Lots of slipping and sliding, but no FS. She got $$. Good attitude, will be around for a couple of months. I would probably not repeat, but it is an authentic NURU massage with lots of NURU gel.
Ironically I recently returned from a trip to Budapest. The same service over there can be had for 50 bucks.[/QUOTE]I'm thinking false pics though?
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[QUOTE=Retster;3073835]Not as good as the pics, but still very passable. A HE from slipping and sliding and a handee. I said "No sex", she said " Better than sex". You be the judge.[/QUOTE]Gotcha, thanks!
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Any suggestions?
A friend will be back soon and looking for suggestions. Just reliable BBBJ.
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Lex
Has to be TGTBT. Especially with those menu prices.
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Selena
Saw selena [URL]http://sarasota.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-selena-new-in-town-lets-play/19746606[/URL] a few days ago while on vacation in sarasota. You should keep your money. If those pictures are her it was when she was having better days. Looked strungout and unusually skinny. Service was rushed and cost wasn't worth the service. Non GFE experience and overall just very poor experience. Should have saved my money, but drank to much that night. Cost was 220 for an hour. Would not repeat even if the cost was 50 bucks.
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[QUOTE=Edwin781;3078406]Saw selena [URL]http://sarasota.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-selena-new-in-town-lets-play/19746606[/URL] a few days ago while on vacation in sarasota. You should keep your money. If those pictures are her it was when she was having better days. Looked strungout and unusually skinny. Service was rushed and cost wasn't worth the service. Non GFE experience and overall just very poor experience. Should have saved my money, but drank to much that night. Cost was 220 for an hour. Would not repeat even if the cost was 50 bucks.[/QUOTE]Thanks, you saved me from calling her tonight.
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[QUOTE=Edwin781;3078406]Saw selena [URL]http://sarasota.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-selena-new-in-town-lets-play/19746606[/URL] a few days ago while on vacation in sarasota. You should keep your money. If those pictures are her it was when she was having better days. Looked strungout and unusually skinny. Service was rushed and cost wasn't worth the service. Non GFE experience and overall just very poor experience. Should have saved my money, but drank to much that night. Cost was 220 for an hour. Would not repeat even if the cost was 50 bucks.[/QUOTE]Didn't notice any current signs of candy at all last time we met up. Agree the pictures are probably 3-5 years old. Hope she's not going down into that hell.