"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

All depends on how they have the address. Many commercial boxes will accept deliveries like this:

Suite 405.

1234 A Nice Road.

Great Town, WT 23142.

It is really a mail box. But does not look like it.

I have even done this to a real PO box in a post office. But it was a VERY rural small office. Not sure it would work in town!

[QUOTE=Wnde8;1737561]There is an issues with mailboxes: Any commercial mail establishment can not be used as a legal address. So if you still list your residence as your billing or residential address it could still become attached to your credit report (and the public information provider's databases).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GuyWoodson; 1737732]All depends on how they have the address. Many commercial boxes will accept deliveries like this:

Suite 405.

1234 A Nice Road.

Great Town, WT 23142.

It is really a mail box. But does not look like it.

I have even done this to a real PO box in a post office. But it was a VERY rural small office. Not sure it would work in town![/QUOTE]This was my experience as well. The staff working at these places don't care what you write, if they even are paying attention at all.

As an aside, Windy, if you are looking for some situation that is 100% risk-free, I would humbly suggest that the Bowl is not for you. It is a risk / benefit analysis, and we all have our comfort ratios. The wisdom contained in the Clubhouse Journal has all been gained from hard experience, but no brother will tell you honestly that they are 100% bulletproof. There is always a chink in the armour. Your goal is to make it as small, and as hard to reach, as possible. Only Rosie is a sure bet.

Anything worth doing brings some measure of risk. The bold person minimizes what he can, then jumps anyway.

Scott

Well said Scott.

Reward is won through risk. The two cannot be completely separated. And this is from someone who has been burned badly.

But the reward can be pretty damned good.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[QUOTE=TreasureHunter; 1737153]There's a lot of great information in this post.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]
Thanks TH,
To expand a bit, I always ask if I can check in early, since I mostly play during the day, and check-in time at nice hotels is ususally 3pm, which limits playtime since I am married and usually need to be locked in my cell by 7 at the latest. I have only encountered one situation where that was not possible, but you need to be forcefull and get through to the actual front desk person in order to make it happen. Early check-in allows me to get the room the way I like it, and any bevies, eatables or toys laid out just so. Trust me, the babies dig it!

It has been reported to me that the new iOS update has the ability to turn on iMessage to all devices that share the same apple ID. This means all messages sent from one device will appear on all other devices that share the same apple ID. And all messages received on the device will appear on other devices that share the apple ID. From a COMSEC perspective this could spell disaster for you should one of your devices be outside of your control while conducting "eyes only" messaging operations.

For example, I am often asked: "Why do you need your computer, iPad and iPhone all of the time. Can't I borrow your iPad for a moment?" A moment later you receive a communication from a (ahem)"Sugar Baby" on your phone while your wife is using your iPad. One week later your wife begins a conversation with: "Are you involved with any other women?" At which point there is NO good answer as she has already told you she knows by the question alone. She then advises that: "After my attorney gets done with you, you'll have blood dripping from your ass!". This is what is known my brothers as the classic "bad scene".

Don't wind up with blood dripping from your ass! Practice OPSEC. And keep your COMSEC tight!

[QUOTE=GuyWoodson; 1737732]All depends on how they have the address. Many commercial boxes will accept deliveries like this:

Suite 405.

1234 A Nice Road.

Great Town, WT 23142.

It is really a mail box. But does not look like it.

I have even done this to a real PO box in a post office. But it was a VERY rural small office. Not sure it would work in town![/QUOTE]I don't understand why you guys are bringing up risk / reward here. Not to sound like a jerk but it doesn't apply to setting up a legal address correctly.

If your office was not registered as a commercial mail provider then I can see the above tactic working. But any mailbox place that's registered will not work for receiving documents as the legal address. Try it at a bank and see what happens (I have, and the banker told me my address with Apt #55 was mailbox and could only be used as the mailing address, not the legal)

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1738440]It has been reported to me that the new iOS update has the ability to turn on iMessage to all devices that share the same apple I'd. This means all messages sent from one device will appear on all other devices that share the same apple I'd. And all messages received on the device will appear on other devices that share the apple I'd. From a COMSEC perspective this could spell disaster for you should one of your devices be outside of your control while conducting "eyes only" messaging operations.

For example, I am often asked: "Why do you need your computer, iPad and iPhone all of the time. Can't I borrow your iPad for a moment?" A moment later you receive a communication from a (ahem)"Sugar Baby" on your phone while your wife is using your iPad. One week later your wife begins a conversation with: "Are you involved with any other women?" At which point there is NO good answer as she has already told you she knows by the question alone. She then advises that: "After my attorney gets done with you, you'll have blood dripping from your ass!". This is what is known my brothers as the classic "bad scene".

Don't wind up with blood dripping from your ass! Practice OPSEC. And keep your COMSEC tight![/QUOTE]Even free texting apps like Pinger / Textfree (which are great for the anonymity) show up on your Ipad, etc. Along with the string of messages. Even google voice does this. so if you share devices beware!!

[QUOTE=Blak Casper;1738690]Even free texting apps like Pinger / Textfree (which are great for the anonymity) show up on your Ipad, etc. Along with the string of messages. Even google voice does this. so if you share devices beware!![/QUOTE]I started with a cheap burner phone years ago and have stuck with it ever since, even though texting on it can be very similar to torture for me. If that's what it takes to get panties on the floor, I'll do it. My Sugar cell doesn't link to anything, and I always store it in the same secure place when it's not in use. As for email, as has been said, I keep a dedicated address for all my Sugar activities, and only access it via the provider's website. I never download anything, not even pics, as much as I might like to sneak a quick peak from time to time. I also make sure to log off every time, even if I'm just going to take a piss. The last thing I want is for a wandering family member to glance at the screen when I've been emailing a baby.

I know this "dual" system can be cumbersome, but it helps to promote in my mind the idea that I am under cover, and my Sugar identity is NOT my real identity

Well. It will not be long until my ATF SB will be graduating and likely moving back to her home state. Pick up on her career and certainly move forward with her life. As she should. With all that, she will be greatly missed. She has been my least expensive SB and by far the best. Really more of a PT GF. I have described our situation before on here. This transition will likely happen in about 6 weeks. Soooooo what do you do. When you fav pet dies. Oh wait. You go get a new one! . I have posted some of my techniques from my past experience but have been away from the game. I know the usual channels but wondering if anyone ever hunts on FB and your tips etc? I will add I am likely looking for another great LTF.. but this one took 10 yrs to find..lol nothing wrong with some temps though until I find what I am happy with..

Good hunting!

The body was great, the pictures if body and face we a 9. 5 in person 8. 5. To start with she showed up for the date high. We had fun, even went back to the dorm for some a strip tease and oral fun. We met the next afternoon to consummate the deal. This time she was sober but scatter brained and starving. Fed her some food and she got better. But the sex was pretty much just lay there. No affection, kissing or sounds.

I think she is perfect for someone else. But I cannot do druggies, who prefer dorm rooms over hotels, don't drive, soon to be homeless, who need lots of bedroom training and want you to spend $3000 for her school and give her cash and date.

She was pleasant to be around, was very open minded, dependable and caring. She dressed hot and at times really wanted to keep me happy. Oh and she dresses very Hott!

Found her in SA, she gives up the goodies on the first date. Very hot spinner body. British accent and easy to please. If you want more info pm me.

Sitting in a room now waiting in MsOxymoron, this will be much better.

BigTigg.

"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"

Met with my current ATF HCB for the second time this week. Our new austerity program is working well and the CPO is down to $ 125 plus recreation such as dinners and gifts. I am truly in lust with this spinner who I am learning where all her hot spots are. She is very vocal and has a beautiful Orgasmic Trill. It's nice to be appreciated again after my former HCB would lie there and grunt sotto voce. I like embarrassingly loud appreciation. It's also nice to feel that pussy contract around your dick after a rousing session after which she says OMG, OMG, OMG. LOL I know I'm bragging but you all here know what I am talking about.

I have a M&G in a few hours with an AM girl I have been back and forth with for several mos. AM is hard duty for me I must say. I have never consummated a deal there. She is an unappreciated unhappily married 30 something who appears to be a full bodied 7/7? But she might be needy in the sex dept so it could be fun. Of course there is still time to flake so I might be singing a different tune tomorrow. It's hard to improve on a 10 across the board but men being men, variety is nice. And every girl has a little different spin on the sex business. The other beauty is she is "free."

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1739500]Met with my current ATF HCB for the second time this week. Our new austerity program is working well and the CPO is down to $ 125 plus recreation such as dinners and gifts. I am truly in lust with this spinner who I am learning where all her hot spots are. She is very vocal and has a beautiful Orgasmic Trill. It's nice to be appreciated again after my former HCB would lie there and grunt sotto voce. I like embarrassingly loud appreciation. It's also nice to feel that pussy contract around your dick after a rousing session after which she says OMG, OMG, OMG. LOL I know I'm bragging but you all here know what I am talking about.

I have a M&G in a few hours with an AM girl I have been back and forth with for several mos. AM is hard duty for me I must say. I have never consummated a deal there. She is an unappreciated unhappily married 30 something who appears to be a full bodied 7/7? But she might be needy in the sex dept so it could be fun. Of course there is still time to flake so I might be singing a different tune tomorrow. It's hard to improve on a 10 across the board but men being men, variety is nice. And every girl has a little different spin on these sex business. The other beauty is she is "free."[/QUOTE]How come I don't come across deals like this? What I would give for a good and horny MILF!

The Wifey. 46. AA Spinner. Exclusive to me. She is calling me her husband and I am going to get her a wedding ring so everyone knows she is taken. Seeing her one day a week. May increase to two days a week.

The Girlfriend. 26. AA Spinner (but tall. 5'7"). Exclusive to me. Seeing her one day a week.

The Little Princess. 19. AA Spinner. Model Looks. Exclusive to me. She is calling me her boyfriend. Seeing her like 2 or 3 times a week.

The Live In. 22. Asian. Tiny. Non exclusive. She is still my good friend and we hookup when I am in need between regulars.

Fetish Girl. 26. Mexican. Spinner. Non exclusive. Slowly coming around. Hooked up a couple times but no intercourse yet. It has taken me a year for her to get over my multiple girl arrangements to where she is now willing to date me. Hope to see once a week.

Stalker. 26. Armenian. Spinner. Model Looks. Exclusive. Says she will wait till every girl is gone and then marry me. LOL. Two minor hookups so far. It has taken me 9 months for her to get over my multiple girl arrangements to where she is now willing to date me. Hope to see once a week.

I have cut the interviewing process way back as I now have a full schedule. But I am interviewing a very horny MILF 37 on Sunday. Only wants wine and dine no cash.

So yes I do have a spinner fetish. Gets me up every time. I was over budget this month and could easily handle all of them for 3k a month. Trying to get back to 2k a month. This has taken a lot of time, money and experimenting to get to this point. All girls are aware of each other. Some less happy than others but all sticking to me like glue.

Averaging slightly over $ a day per visit including everything except gas. Sorry no pics at this time. Will post later when I get the time

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1739418]The body was great, the pictures if body and face we a 9. 5 in person 8. 5. To start with she showed up for the date high. We had fun, even went back to the dorm for some a strip tease and oral fun. We met the next afternoon to consummate the deal. This time she was sober but scatter brained and starving. Fed her some food and she got better. But the sex was pretty much just lay there. No affection, kissing or sounds.

I think she is perfect for someone else. But I cannot do druggies, who prefer dorm rooms over hotels, don't drive, soon to be homeless, who need lots of bedroom training and want you to spend $3000 for her school and give her cash and date.

She was pleasant to be around, was very open minded, dependable and caring. She dressed hot and at times really wanted to keep me happy. Oh and she dresses very Hott!

Found her in SA, she gives up the goodies on the first date. Very hot spinner body. British accent and easy to please. If you want more info pm me.

Sitting in a room now waiting in MsOxymoron, this will be much better.

BigTigg.

"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"[/QUOTE]So you banged her for a few bucks and on to the next one. Damn you got a tough life. Every reject just puts you one step closer to the next ATF. But you already know that.

Ok, not sure this is appropriate on this thread.

But have anyone tried fb dating? I just signed up for Zoosk within the FB environment.

This could potentially be a goldmine for digging up nubile / inexperienced young SBs.