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[QUOTE=Taliesin92;7116263]Actually, I would blame it on Bidenflation. Prices for most things are up 30% to 40% over the past four years. Pussy is a commodity, no different than any other.

If anything, I'd think Trump will lower the barriers to entry for hot, foreign women. Look who he's married to. She was born in Yugoslavia. The Donald knows if you want beautiful women who have not been corrupted by modern-day feminism, you must import them from outside the United States. They are in short supply here. LOL![/QUOTE]Sorry forgot to add a final point. I just think it's a cash grab on Ooyu's part, taking advantage of people's FOMO because of her limited work stay and relying on new or ignorant mongers unaware of her past incarnations. It's a false correlation to equate higher price with better quality. I mean, yeah, it should be but it's not always the case. Experiments of people asked to evaluate cheap items masquerading as high end products perfectly illustrates this point.

Whether we just want to fool ourselves into thinking that we have the ability to distinguish nice things or don't want to face our own inadequacies, marketed quality and perceived scarcity is a trip. I'll be first in line to admit that I'm not immune to it also. I've fucked up multiple times mixing up what I want to see versus what my gut is saying. The hope is to try to be more mindful of and scrutinize the facts as best you can to arrive at a conclusion you're happy about. Good luck out there fellas!

[QUOTE=Ashwind;7115967]I was considering seeing Baby Ooyu and I am thankful to all who replied to my inquiry. But I got the flu and have to wait till I recover. But god damn. Did Trump put a Tariff on Kpussy since its stealing all the White Pussy job. Baby Ooyu jumped from $350 to $500, for GFE alone! I would have bite the bullet if its for $500 with bffs and msog but not for GFE w / msog. I guess I have to see another girl when I recover.[/QUOTE]So 2 out of 50 chicks charging over $5 bills, motivated you to write this post? Have you not heard of SBC? Couple of their chicks were charging $800 all in. Thank Goodness those two chicks are on vacation or wherever. If anyone thinks Trump's tariffs on goods and raw materials was bad, wait till he starts fuckin' with immigration laws. We're not getting the influx of talent these days because they're staying closer to home. Singapore and Australia have similar earning potential for them and it ain't too far from home.

[QUOTE=Taliesin92;7116263]Actually, I would blame it on Bidenflation. Prices for most things are up 30% to 40% over the past four years. Pussy is a commodity, no different than any other.

If anything, I'd think Trump will lower the barriers to entry for hot, foreign women. Look who he's married to. She was born in Yugoslavia. The Donald knows if you want beautiful women who have not been corrupted by modern-day feminism, you must import them from outside the United States. They are in short supply here. LOL![/QUOTE]Actually Trump is known for tightening restrictions such as visas. He did it while in office he even said he stopped travel from China to the USA, on the other hand Biden in a way did limit travel from Russia to the USA. A Russian red head wanted to move to the USA before the pandemic and I told her I would have a contract type marriage and she was going to pay me. I was actually hoping for free pusssy but she was deported sadly bad to Russia or she voluntarily left. Korean visas don't seem difficult if you read inline looks like they have a visa waiver and can come to the USA for 90 days for tourism or business no visa required. [URL]https://overseas.mofa.go.kr/us-newyork-en/wpge/m_23502/contents.do[/URL].

[QUOTE=Jbjb1983;7116430]Korean visas don't seem difficult if you read inline looks like they have a visa waiver and can come to the USA for 90 days for tourism or business no visa required.[/QUOTE]Not only that, Koreans can come here on a 90-day visa and stay forever, if they choose to. Many do. In states like California, they will not be deported unless they commit a violent crime. So, as long as you keep your head down, it's effectively an open border for friendly countries like Korea. My guess is, that won't change, no matter who is president.

Now if you're talking about China, Russia, or the Middle East, that's a totally different geopolitical risk. I would expect immigration from those regions, and some others, to be significantly impacted.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7116283]Politics aside, a certain pandemic did occur in the last 4 years. I'm sure that had something to due with price increases too.[/QUOTE]Well, I would argue it wasn't the pandemic that caused inflation to hit a 40-year high, it was the government response to the pandemic that caused it. When you flood the economy with trillions of dollars and, at the same time, supply chains are broken because you needlessly shut down the global economy, that will cause inflation to rise sky-high.

Too many dollars chasing too few goods = high inflation. That's Economics 101. But that's what happens when no one in the government understands basic economics.

She was still 350 when Boner put her on the list right before Thanksgiving. Not only that, I also vouched for her same day as Thicc Young Asian and professed his love for her butt. It appeared I also served as the tie breaker between you and Leleusampa02 and convinced Ashwind to try her.

Now we see that she has raised her rate AND also decided to stay 7 days longer than originally planned. Yeah, I think she saw my posts haha. Same thing with Mocha raising rate going from LA to OC. Mocha lowered her rate before I joined in and certified her. Not only that, I might have helped CandyGirlLA to become popular, cause at some point I started to default to use CG ad link for girls I saw with other agencies. It might have hasten the collapse of other bookers. I was sad to see the OGs didn't support those bookers enough with reviews and biz.

So either the girls and bookers overestimate my importance or I do have some effects. I didn't think I matter that much, but I can't just stay silence on my favorites in hope she won't raise rate or be to busy to book. I know that certain girls will get an uptick in business if they are mentioned in HYA thread.

I had always tried to control inflation by spreading the love with reviews for many young girls. I was fighting against exclusivity and scarcity of HYAs, but not enough bros helped with reviews. Both TER and here review MILFs way more than HYAs. The end result is that it's harder for new younger girls to compete in SoCal against BB MILFs.

It's probably also scary for those HYAs to come here and get pressured to BB everybody. The few established HYAs certainly think they are better than MILFs, and since they think they have no new competition, it's inevitable they will try to raise rate after seeing other girls successfully raised their rate.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7116280]Seems like most girls in SBC's orbit goes GPS sooner or later. But it's odd that she upped it in the middle of her tour. Usually it's at the start. I want to say that the recent uptick chatter about her and her inclusion in Boner's list got to her head. The timing just seems too coincidental. Goes to show you to be mindful of what you post here as it may well get back to the girl eventually.

Or am I missing something here? If would be wonderful if someone chimed in who saw her during this tour on what might have caused her to increase her donation (weight loss, better service, surgical enchancements, etc.).[/QUOTE]

Nobody reviewed her yet. She only worked 1 day last week I think. I don't expect 1st day review. According to the most trusted Boner Source (BS), pics are fake but she's just as young and cute, if not cuter.

[QUOTE=Dewpsp;7116290]LOL forgot to include where's the reviews. Really want to know if pics are accurate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7116584]She was still 350 when Boner put her on the list right before Thanksgiving. Not only that, I also vouched for her same day as Thicc Young Asian and professed his love for her butt. It appeared I also served as the tie breaker between you and Leleusampa02 and convinced Ashwind to try her.

Now we see that she has raised her rate AND also decided to stay 7 days longer than originally planned. Yeah, I think she saw my posts haha. Same thing with Mocha raising rate going from LA to OC. Mocha lowered her rate before I joined in and certified her. Not only that, I might have helped CandyGirlLA to become popular, cause at some point I started to default to use CG ad link for girls I saw with other agencies. It might have hasten the collapse of other bookers. I was sad to see the OGs didn't support those bookers enough with reviews and biz.[/QUOTE]Regardless of what happens as a result, I think we should all just keep doing what we have been doing: providing honest and truthful posts, reviews, and feedback on girls we've met. I'm sure everyone has had the experience of having a blast with a girl that others didn't click with or vice versa. The important thing is to share as much as you're comfortable with so everyone can benefit from your insight. I'm sure that you'll benefit from other's experience in return.

We can't control what the girl will do or how she'll respond. Whether she rides out the hype train with constant bookings or increases her rate to work less and make the same or more is out of our hands. That said, what we mongers [B][i]can[/i][/B] do is react individually. It's your money; see her at the new rate if you think she's still worth it. Or pivot to another promising girl. The great thing about this forum is that you can get very good info and nuance to help you make an informed decision. You can solicit feedback to gauge whether a girl is worth seeing even at a higher price. For me, Ooyu was good but too curvy for me. At $500/ hr, she firmly falls into the "not recommended" category if anyone asks me. Unless you really really like huge natural tits and a curvy figure. If that's what you want, far be it for me to steer you off course.

My take on the pulse of the kgirl scene is that there will always be a demand for GFE only, BB MILFs, and HYAs. As long as that demand doesn't dry up, the respective categories will still exist. My guess is that from highest demand to lowest demand BB MILFs, HYAs, GFE only. I have absolutely no clue the actual percentages but from what I've experienced the preceding is a decent ballpark estimation. We have champions that take the vanguard for each category but I think most of us, including me, dabble in each category to provide variety and satisfy our curiosity.

I'll make a separate post on bookers.

[QUOTE=Ashwind;7115967]I was considering seeing Baby Ooyu and I am thankful to all who replied to my inquiry. But I got the flu and have to wait till I recover. But god damn. Did Trump put a Tariff on Kpussy since its stealing all the White Pussy job. Baby Ooyu jumped from $350 to $500, for GFE alone! I would have bite the bullet if its for $500 with bffs and msog but not for GFE w / msog. I guess I have to see another girl when I recover.[/QUOTE]You can blame the rich simps spending bookoo money on some of these girls. I wouldn't doubt some girls make more in tips than actual fees. You got some guys blowing their savings on these ladies. Can't blame girls like Ooyu for raising the prices if they only need to bone 3-4 sugar daddies but fuck man, it ruins the game for the rest of us.

We may say, what's the big deal with 2 chicks, but everything started somewhere, even BB upcharges, which unfortunately I might also have helped make popular unintentionally. I was a fan of giving the people what they wanted after all, except MILFs, cause I tried to avoid new MILFs.

SBC did all the things I thought of doing if I started an HYA Club. They surely knew of this thread and even had a search filter for HYA before. They managed to poach at least 2 girls from other bookers to go GPS already. I had not tried to hype them up cause you know what will happen.

If we make them popular then you will be looking at much higher rate for HYA across the board. Two of the things I wanted was to provide pleasant and safe working experience for HYA and higher rate to recruit them easier. I heard more than one girls that they came here cause their friends introduced them.

So yeah, [b]our wallets and reviews can help bring more talents[/b]. It's like voting. It's the only power we have but not enough people use it. Only reason I went public was cause I felt we didn't have enough reviewers and customers and I felt that things would turn bad for my taste if I didn't do something.

I was accused of being a "hypist" before so I still haven't "hyped" up more young girls. I didn't like it at all that young girls left early while MILFs stayed way too long. I am contemplating new things for the next Boner Administration cause all I care about is new young talents haha. Bros haven't seen me going full hype yet.

[QUOTE=BigZhangMang;7116343]So 2 out of 50 chicks charging over $5 bills, motivated you to write this post? Have you not heard of SBC? Couple of their chicks were charging $800 all in. Thank Goodness those two chicks are on vacation or wherever. If anyone thinks Trump's tariffs on goods and raw materials was bad, wait till he starts fuckin' with immigration laws. We're not getting the influx of talent these days because they're staying closer to home. Singapore and Australia have similar earning potential for them and it ain't too far from home.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7116864]I heard more than one girls that they came here cause their friends introduced them.


So yeah, [b]our wallets and reviews can help bring more talents[/b]..[/QUOTE]I've heard of this concept before, and it's a very problematic concept imo. Because if you put getting new hyas to come here before the integrity of reviews, then you get this loop of writing exaggerated reviews with no real negatives just to butter up the girls so they'd tell their friends oh it's so easy to make $$$ here you should come.

What ends up happening is that people who don't ant more hyas to come straight up lie an give all these mediocre / rudimentary service girls 9's in service and shit.

I think it's dishonest and sad when a real service MILF who swallows all your spunk after no hand DTing your cock and spending 50 minutes of fucking you hard as hell. Gets the same service grade as hyas who just lie around and take it. Just because people want hyas to get good reviews so they stay.

Why not just give HYas great grades in f / b / looks and what they deserve in service / skills? Fair and honest.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7116864]We may say, what's the big deal with 2 chicks, but everything started somewhere, even BB upcharges, which unfortunately I might also have helped make popular unintentionally. I was a fan of giving the people what they wanted after all, except MILFs, cause I tried to avoid new MILFs.[/QUOTE]I am so easy that all you need to tell me is she's young OR good looking. HYAs cover both in a way where most of us 80% agree on the list (and almost nothing else). I have literally read reviews on young girls where the guy hated her, but I knew from the review I'd love her. I see "Shy and nervous" and I make that girl smile and feel confident. I see "weak face but fantastic body" and I turn things around by turning her around. I see "totally new and inexperienced" and get an instant erection.

I'll speak to your other points, take heart that I see many new people trying and we don't want to pressure them to do more. Rather, encourage the others to come out and play. Everyone has to work with their level of comfort. But some tough love does help because they need to take over. It will happen slower than you want but it will, no matter what we do now actually.

You did bring in more customers, however you will not see it. It is the same as planting seeds for a forest that we will never see. An extremely slow process without feedback. A good farmer drops seeds without looking back at them. A few have thanked me for intel, that's natural. But I have said near my last roster that if I have ever done someone a good favor, I only ask that they share intel and treat women right. I didn't do things for the thanks, but for the forest. Don't worry about it, anyone who wants to be done should quit while they are happy. Life is short.

I reviewed Allie by starting with "The age old dilemma, if I gatekeep a girl I can book her more easily and she is a little bit fresher when I see her. Or, I can reward the girl by shouting from the rooftops that she is wonderful. I tend to do the latter"

Ive seen many OC reviewers make a lot of great reviews suddenly, but only for a few months. Then they returned to their normal lives - it was always going to be a temporary thing. Or one guy finds the one and repeats nonstop, he gave his review that's all we can ask of him. Or even guys who were literally so satisfied from kgirls that they have been made whole and then quit kgirls for life being content for the rest of their days. Not a bad thing, quite the opposite.

My first visit Allie told me she didn't know if she was going to be here another week. So I reviewed her. She's now been in San Diego 5 months. This would not have happened if I made up good things about some average girl. My word does not have any such power. She is actually top tier, and I linked 6 other reviewers who came to the same conclusion. SD has "kept" several top tier girls from rotating back to OC for ridiculous stretches of time, when they were orignally considering just 1 week in SD. One of those girls I saw 11 times in 5 weeks and it wasn't just me. It is the perfect combination of weaponized thirst and desperation that is unique to a small market. SD also has a huge AMP market and those guys would dip into korgs every time a top tier girl was found, so the extreme dynamic doesn't quite work the same in OC and LA.

Allie is so good looking to me that if I were in college with her I wouldn't even bother trying. I'd just give up.

There are many reasons for rate changes. Psychology, demand, limits, frequency, short tours. Psychology means a girl feels more comfortable with a certain rate, I know this for a fact. Demand is if a girl is fully booked, of course she should charge higher. Corgs do this, starting a girl 500 then dropping to 400 - in that case it's actually fair and reasonable. There is limit, where a girl cannot take "ten dicks a day" to borrow NYC terminology. So a higher rate is appropriate if the dicks are very happy. And then there is frequency, where a girl loves ten dicks a day, so a lower rate is the right way to maximize earnings. People will hate for me to say this, but maximizing short-term earnings tends to ruin long-term earnings, and that the optimal response is a higher rate NOT lower. We have to think from their perspective, not ours. Short tours should explain itself, sometimes a girl has no choice but to do a short tour for personal reasons don't blame her. There is a 6th reason I won't say because it is an essay on economic theory. In any case, the most common reason is not what people think.

I don't say these things normally since it doesn't help to know. People don't like hearing it, they'd be much happier if I lied to them. It doesn't help, the only question is what we should do. I will say complaining won't do anything. People will vote with their wallets, and the final result is still going to be exactly what we have now and are complaining about. Luxury pricing must exist in every hobby, though we can try to limit it. Some of the SBC girls are worth it to those who see them. It does not matter if others don't feel the same.

As you say, the end game is we can't hype girls. I do the opposite because I consider it even more important to prevent disappointment than to highlight girls worth seeing. Basic description of girls is one solution. Some guys are very strict on details like hair, skin tone, boobs, manmade vs natural, height, weight, face vs body, service. When a guy shows up to see a girl he does not like, both lose. Money is not worth it, I won't go into the details they aren't pleasant. Yet many times basic details could have prevented this. It can sometimes be a simple as a guy being over the moon finding a girl with short black hair and palen white skin, literally everything else is forgiven when they hit their personal jackpot. And that jackpot is different for every single guy! The goal is a girl gets a bunch of regulars who are 100% satisfied, and avoids guys who will hate them. A good example is a thiiiiick girl who is very cute, one guy runs to her one gun runs away from her. Hope that makes sense.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7116864]We may say, what's the big deal with 2 chicks, but everything started somewhere, even BB upcharges, which unfortunately I might also have helped make popular unintentionally. I was a fan of giving the people what they wanted after all, except MILFs, cause I tried to avoid new MILFs.

SBC did all the things I thought of doing if I started an HYA Club. They surely knew of this thread and even had a search filter for HYA before. They managed to poach at least 2 girls from other bookers to go GPS already. I had not tried to hype them up cause you know what will happen.

If we make them popular then you will be looking at much higher rate for HYA across the board. Two of the things I wanted was to provide pleasant and safe working experience for HYA and higher rate to recruit them easier. I heard more than one girls that they came here cause their friends introduced them.

So yeah, [b]our wallets and reviews can help bring more talents[/b]. It's like voting. It's the only power we have but not enough people use it. Only reason I went public was cause I felt we didn't have enough reviewers and customers and I felt that things would turn bad for my taste if I didn't do something.

I was accused of being a "hypist" before so I still haven't "hyped" up more young girls. I didn't like it at all that young girls left early while MILFs stayed way too long. I am contemplating new things for the next Boner Administration cause all I care about is new young talents haha. Bros haven't seen me going full hype yet.[/QUOTE]At the end of the of the day, no amount of hype will make or break a girl. Sure for a short time but if you truly had a good time, you're more than free to say so. When the hype, deserved or not, dies down, a girl survives off regulars more or less. The brothers who put them in a rotation can then make the decision of when enough is enough.

[QUOTE=Aaabbbccc123;7117000]Hey at taliesin, kind clearing your inbox so I can message you?

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[QUOTE=RocketManP;7117123]I've heard of this concept before, and it's a very problematic concept imo. Because if you put getting new hyas to come here before the integrity of reviews, then you get this loop of writing exaggerated reviews with no real negatives just to butter up the girls so they'd tell their friends oh it's so easy to make $$$ here you should come.

What ends up happening is that people who don't ant more hyas to come straight up lie an give all these mediocre / rudimentary service girls 9's in service and shit.

I think it's dishonest and sad when a real service MILF who swallows all your spunk after no hand DTing your cock and spending 50 minutes of fucking you hard as hell. Gets the same service grade as hyas who just lie around and take it. Just because people want hyas to get good reviews so they stay.

Why not just give HYas great grades in f / b / looks and what they deserve in service / skills? Fair and honest.[/QUOTE]That is correct. HYA may get good grades in looks and lower in service, and Service queens may score high in performance and lower in looks. They are both different features to grade, not a IMO. We can only hope that the HYAs will grow into service queens before they lose their looks and that we can catch them at their peak in both looks and service.

I meant "hype" as in making people fear they missing out, and when they join the club, they will be hyped up and glad to be in it, that kind of hype. Constant publicity like the media campaigning for someone. Like Pepsi being hyped cause people have short attention span. I can take HYA club to the next level if I was true baller.

Market is irrational and prone to manipulation. Full analytics and honest intel to help them make better decision. People have threatened to quit the Kgirls before cause they were unhappy with the choices. I was sure we lost many OGs after TER and this site went dark cause of lack of intel. That was why I showed up to help.

[QUOTE=PogeyBait;7117490]At the end of the of the day, no amount of hype will make or break a girl. Sure for a short time but if you truly had a good time, you're more than free to say so. When the hype, deserved or not, dies down, a girl survives off regulars more or less. The brothers who put them in a rotation can then make the decision of when enough is enough.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RocketManP;7117123]Why not just give HYas great grades in f / b / looks and what they deserve in service / skills? Fair and honest.[/QUOTE]I believe grades don't work, I've written a lot on why. I have seen Boner and Zebra grade a long list of women and each one simply has a different type. Boner rates a girl S tier that Zebra rates C, Boner rates a girl C tier that Zebra rates an S. And just to be clear, they both have more similarities in taste than other guys. For years I have shared photos of girls I thought were 8's to 10's and my friends would rate them 4's to 6's while rating some of the 8's a perfect 10. I do the same with latinas guys think are 8's to 10's, most of them are 4's to 6's. Disgust is the best word to describe it, though I periodically find exceptions.

We can't agree on the rating, not even close. But we all 80% agree that a girl looks under 30 and is above average looking. That standard is clear because many will look way younger than 30 and look way better than average. I did meticulous work to prove this is true including coming up with my HYA list without even looking at Boner's list, then finding it nearly identical anyways. Likewise, we tend to grade women on other stats consistently. Hair, height, body type, weight, and so on. HYA is no different if not more consistent. There is a more important reason, when I meet and discuss girls with someone else who likes HYA, the girls we like overlap a ton. I have actually met guys who had nearly identical list of 6-8 OC favorites, out of 50 girls. 80% overlap. Shouldn't be hard to imagine, if someone downright loved GILFs and compared notes with another GILF hunter, it would be 80% overlap too. And that's why we label girls HYA, MILF, GILF. We all have two eyes and tend to agree.

Even worse is TER. I've called out guys who give a majority of women a perfect 10 in looks. See for yourself, 4 out of 7 girls are perfect 10's:

[URL]https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/searchbyreviewerResults.asp?MemberName=gburn[/URL]

TER is full of this. This is no longer a difference of opinion, it is just not honest. No different than guys who call a 40's MILF as 20. Most of the time we caught someone doing that, it was clear they didn't even see the girl. But even in cases where he did see the girl, such exaggerations are worthless. Out of 110 agency girls I give 1% a perfect 10, just 1. Maybe 2 more by rounding 9.5s I'm not sure which way should round. This guy gave 57% perfect 10s and he's not alone. So I'm all for differences of opinion but sometimes it is just too obvious the person is lying. Exaggerating to the extreme is just lying with extra steps. It's especially clear when you actually read the TER review and see a person's grade nowhere near matches his words. That's actually the norm, some guys only give 4's to 6's but their reviews are quite positive (and don't correlate to their number even). In local markets I literally know who reviewed a girl when I run across a 4 to 6! It's just the same guy! Such absolutely useless intel. Then there are guys who write out a positive review and give a 6, then a mediocre review and give an 8. Let me spell it out, if a reviewer cannot even be internally consistent, then his reviews are literally misinformation.

I've linked to plenty of examples of this in the past, but anyone who has read TER reviews already knows this. I used to read through thousands of TER reviews until I realized it didn't even help me choose a girl since I have particular tastes and the reviews rarely give any intel on that.

I'm not saying don't use grades, go ahead. It's just useless to me. Accurate factual descriptions are all that matter to a lot of people. Just tell me if a girl is young, what her body is like, how tall she is. Each one of these things is missing from the majority of TER reviews, but matter more than the entire TER reviews. There are PLEASER reviews where I can literally tell I'll like a girl that the reviewer didn't like, because he described the girl. I rushed to see her, of course I liked her. PLEASER reviews are fundamentally better because they remind people of the bare minimum. Don't even get me started on the fan fiction that fills TER that has caused problems. PM me for details, it is not pleasant for public discussion.

[URl]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?33082-Agency-Discussion-and-Reviews&p=7084633&viewfull=1#post7084633[/URL] "Tifa is very young" = 100% shill

[QUOTE=RocketManP;7117123]I've heard of this concept before, and it's a very problematic concept imo. Because if you put getting new hyas to come here before the integrity of reviews, then you get this loop of writing exaggerated reviews[/QUOTE]I agree with what you say here, but I've never once seen that from Boner on any girl I've seen on his list. Not once. If you can show me even one example I know of I'll take that back. I think he is not using hype in the literal sense here, he's too modest is maybe the misunderstanding. For my part I have not uttered one good word about a girl that I didn't mean. I actually play it quite safe, if a girl is absolutely beautiful I say "She is very nice to look at". This is clearer in YMMV situations where it makes no sense to say a girl licked my ear if that might have been spontaneous. I'll just group things she did and say "she was playful during foreplay". If a girl does something unusual that multiple reviewers note, then I'll add it.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;7117123]I think it's dishonest and sad when a real service MILF who swallows all your spunk after no hand DTing your cock and spending 50 minutes of fucking you hard as hell. Gets the same service grade as hyas who just lie around and take it. Just because people want hyas to get good reviews so they stay.[/QUOTE]
This TER guy gave lots of glowing reviews including getting his cum getting swallowed. Unfortunately, he lazily clicks 6/6 for multiple girl saying all kinds of great things including look forward to repeating. There are a LOT of reviewers clicking numbers just to get the review over.
[URL]https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/searchbyreviewerResults.asp?MemberName=Johnben1[/URL]

I used to love MILF service queens. After 10 years of them, I'm just done. You'll never hear me complain of them or say guys shouldn't see them, quite the opposite in my HYA lists I always remind guys that most guys should ignore my list and go after MILFs instead. That said, believe me when I say I'm just not interested in them anymore, with exceptions. I respect and appreciate them still, and if I toftt and get a MILF I think "here we go again" and brace myself.

I was neither pressuring people to review nor asking them to exaggerate. It's my knee jerk reaction whenever someone brings up rate or quality and I haven't banged a new HYA in a few days.

Just like you, I think it's dishonest when an MILF is described as being in her 20's, or even 30's when I think she might be 40+, or that she gets 9 in looks like HYA.

What is your looks and service score for this MILF and if you don't mind give her name? Did you go over 1 hour? That was like 2 minutes for clothes off / on, 8 minutes of BBBJDTCIMWS, 50 minutes of hard BBFSCIP.

Let's assume this is Juicy / Yuffie who I still haven't seen. That's a TER performance of 8, or a 9 if she forcefully DFK'ed me. Based on her pics, 6 in looks at best. That juicy ass and tits look tempting. Age range of 45-50. Now if there was a HYA who just lie there like a dead fish, I would give 4 in performance = She just laid there.

Back to HYA like Nali / Joah who had like 3 reviews while Tifa had 56 reviews in the same 2 months. Now you see why I am not happy about reviews. Anyway, I would give Nali an 8 in looks = She was really hot. I love her body that much and her face was easy on the eyes too. Her performance? 9 = I forgot it was a service. She DT'ed me like few others. The illusion of passion was off the chart. I thought I was a young stud and forgot I was old and this was a service.

Next there is Baby Evian. Also a 9 in performance. She made me think I was a porn star, the King, and I also forgot it was a service. Someone else said she had zero service. Digging further and I see that he just didn't like her attitude, or thought she was being too theatrical. She did all the menu items so I just chalked that up to chemistry issue.

Now you see why my first post in HYA thread didn't care about service.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;7117123]I've heard of this concept before, and it's a very problematic concept imo. Because if you put getting new hyas to come here before the integrity of reviews, then you get this loop of writing exaggerated reviews with no real negatives just to butter up the girls so they'd tell their friends oh it's so easy to make $$$ here you should come.

What ends up happening is that people who don't ant more hyas to come straight up lie an give all these mediocre / rudimentary service girls 9's in service and shit.

I think it's dishonest and sad when a real service MILF who swallows all your spunk after no hand DTing your cock and spending 50 minutes of fucking you hard as hell. Gets the same service grade as hyas who just lie around and take it. Just because people want hyas to get good reviews so they stay.

Why not just give HYas great grades in f / b / looks and what they deserve in service / skills? Fair and honest.[/QUOTE]

You said almost exactly the same thing I thought.

Grading is too much work for me who doesn't care about the grading. Even if I want to be fair on TER, I would feel like the other side (MILF lovers) is not playing fair. Some TER people are lazy and just look at scores and don't read details either. TER is especially useless to me cause they don't review new and hot young girls. Friend of NG who someone said was the hottest HYA he ever banged got like 0 review on TER. Yeah I banged her before anyone shared intel and certified her here too. I may not be the first to review but I will review.

I can just tell from a quick read of TER General Details which girl may worth a try, if they reviewed someone I was considering seeing. Don't even need VIP or look at rating.

Some people are very good with PLEASER descriptions. I am not but I try to describe looks.

It was fun discussing but I should get back to TOFTT.

[QUOTE=DownloadX;7117818]I believe grades don't work...

We can't agree on the rating... And that's why we label girls HYA, MILF, GILF. We all have two eyes and tend to agree.

Even worse is TER... I used to read through thousands of TER reviews until I realized it didn't even help me choose a girl since I have particular tastes and the reviews rarely give any intel on that.

I'm not saying don't use grades, go ahead. It's just useless to me. Accurate factual descriptions are all that matter to a lot of people. Just tell me if a girl is young, what her body is like, how tall she is. Each one of these things is missing from the majority of TER reviews, but matter more than the entire TER reviews. There are PLEASER reviews where I can literally tell I'll like a girl that the reviewer didn't like, because he described the girl. I rushed to see her, of course I liked her. PLEASER reviews are fundamentally better because they remind people of the bare minimum. Don't even get me started on the fan fiction that fills TER that has caused problems. PM me for details, it is not pleasant for public discussion...

For my part I have not uttered one good word about a girl that I didn't mean... You'll never hear me complain of them or say guys shouldn't see them, quite the opposite in my HYA lists I always remind guys that most guys should ignore my list and go after MILFs instead. That said, believe me when I say I'm just not interested in them anymore, with exceptions. I respect and appreciate them still, and if I toftt and get a MILF I think "here we go again" and brace myself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RocketManP;7117123]I've heard of this concept before, and it's a very problematic concept imo. Because if you put getting new hyas to come here before the integrity of reviews, then you get this loop of writing exaggerated reviews with no real negatives just to butter up the girls so they'd tell their friends oh it's so easy to make $$$ here you should come.

What ends up happening is that people who don't ant more hyas to come straight up lie an give all these mediocre / rudimentary service girls 9's in service and shit.

I think it's dishonest and sad when a real service MILF who swallows all your spunk after no hand DTing your cock and spending 50 minutes of fucking you hard as hell. Gets the same service grade as hyas who just lie around and take it. Just because people want hyas to get good reviews so they stay.

Why not just give HYas great grades in f / b / looks and what they deserve in service / skills? Fair and honest.[/QUOTE]Not to put words into Boner's mouth, but I took it to mean that the more reviews of HYAs gets posted the more they are likely to recommend / recruit friends who are open to this line of work. However, that only works if the reviews are positive, that they are from reliable people, and it attracts enough exposure to keep them busy. I mentioned it before but the demand for HYA is there but less so than BB MILFs. Now add on to that, someone who seeks out HYAs [B]and[/B] posts honest reviews and you've got yourself a very small subset of the mongering pie. You can tell there's a lack of intel by the amount of posts asking if anyone's seen so and so. Lurkers and posters alike just aren't willing to share info freely like in the past for whatever reason. It's no wonder gatekeeping and private chats are a thing. With a smallish cohort, you can cover a specific niche like HYA pretty easily, even in a market as large as LA. Say you have 5 people, everyone takes turns trying out a new HYA and reports back the group. Therefore when you get an influx of up to 5 HYAs at a time, a single monger only has to spend money for one session to get complete intel coverage. From there, you narrow down who sounds like a winner for you and repeat.

I think it goes without saying that HYAs are much more likely to be poor service. I'm sure there are outliers but that should be the default assumption going in. As for fabricated reviews, that's already happening so it's nothing new. And it's not just HYAs either, reviews that are fake or inflated are being used to push MILFs, HYAs, and others. It's more work but if there's a review of a girl you are looking to see, it behooves you to make it a habit to checkout the reviewer's post history especially if it's low in count. By doing this, it'll help you fill in the gaps regarding the motives of their post. Similary for the other site, just look at their review history to help gauge how much of fan fic author they are.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7117850]Just like you, I think it's dishonest when an MILF is described as being in her 20's, or even 30's when I think she might be 40+, or that she gets 9 in looks like HYA[/QUOTE]This, absolutely. Most of the time I have seen that "9" MILF, I can even name several MILFs that are several points higher. Let alone HYAs who are higher than those other MILFs.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7117850]Back to HYA like Nali / Joah who had like 3 reviews while Tifa had 56 reviews in the same 2 months. Now you see why I am not happy about reviews.[/QUOTE]I've had people recommend Nali to me in private. Yes, I know why you aren't happy about reviews. I noticed LA has had less reviews this year than last, while SD has had more. There are natural ups and downs because people come and go.

I've been encouraging reviews in many cities. But in LA it can get weird because out of many great and reliable agencies there's going to be some problem. Full disclosure, I had to report to admin a very unhinged and threatening post made, obviously from a non-English speaker reading the LA board. Their lack of English maybe led them to misunderstand people saying "post honest reviews", because they even agreed in their post that that was admirable. But then it pro-actively threatened revenge and to dox people for reviews (okay this person is definitely Korean). Would be nice to know which agency has that policy lol. What an escalation, 80% of reviews are quite positive and drive the business. If 100% of reviews were positive, then no one would believe them.

The last time an agency tried something over reviews, they were 100% banned from TER, every girl who was on their roster was permanently wiped. You could not even post a new review for that agency. This was over just banning customers, let alone threats to harm them.

Think about this more. It is always an idle threat to harm customers because they know if they cross that red line and actually do it, everyone would soon know which agency is dangerous. I can understand banning customers, you don't have to serve anyone you don't like. You'll just lose TER like the last agency. But harming your own best customers who all know each other, some in real life? Who is going to screen or book with an agency that does this? People in the past have already done more to units, for lesser reasons. They already know that, so they would not do it. They literally have more to lose.

Antagonizing customers simply encourages negative reviews btw. And NYC is quite playful with their negative descriptions, you'd miss it if you weren't a native speaker.

That said, people have also had trouble with rebrands. Having to walk in and see a girl they already saw. A girl they can accept seeing the first time, but not accidentally booking for a forced repeat this way. While the previous threat was made by an owner, for rebrands the weird questions happen from bookers PMing users. I think it's fair enough to politely ask, but if any user feels uncomfortable or there's some implication, that's a safety issue with that agency. I have reassured several users that all bookers can do is make them vaguely uncomfortable. Again, they have more to lose. I doubt it would happen but if there are outright threats, just name them. What do you expect.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7117894]Some people are very good with PLEASER descriptions. I am not but I try to describe looks.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, and it's great for beginners. Even when I don't recognize a reviewer the typical PLEASER is accurate.

I honestly feel half of it is just identifying the HYA. Below 30 years old, above average looks, that's Hot Young Asian to most people

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7117850]I was neither pressuring people to review nor asking them to exaggerate. It's my knee jerk reaction whenever someone brings up rate or quality and I haven't banged a new HYA in a few days.

Just like you, I think it's dishonest when an MILF is described as being in her 20's, or even 30's when I think she might be 40+, or that she gets 9 in looks like HYA.[/QUOTE]I totally get where you're coming from if service isn't a big factor in who you choose to see. Everyone has their own criteria and you do you. But I think it's a bit misleading to support your point for the lack of HYA reviews by comparing Nali to Tifa. There's a bit more context and nuance going on for this particular comparison.

Nali is locked behind one (rather tough to get into) booker and worked a very limited schedule when she first came back, only to open it up slightly later on. Meanwhile, Tifa pretty much hit the ground running with her name everywhere and worked the usual 12 hour shift. The difference in accessibility and availability between the two is rather stark. Hence, it stands to reason that you'll have a large disparity in the quantity of reviews. However, this doesn't invalid what you have said. That HYA reviews are very low in comparison to MILFs. It's just you chose a very poor example to highlight it.

My take on why HYA reviews are so low is that the HYA seeking crowd is just less inclined to post reviews and share intel (for whatever reason) compared to the MILF crowd.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7117937]However, this doesn't invalid what you have said. That HYA reviews are very low in comparison to MILFs..My take on why HYA reviews are so low is that the HYA seeking crowd is just less inclined to post reviews and share intel (for whatever reason) compared to the MILF crowd.[/QUOTE]I think there are just fewer HYAs and many have short tours compared to MILFs. Same thing with jgirls. This is one reason jgirls get multiple day one reviews, they might stay only 1 to 5 days at a place due to the corg system. Corgs understand reviews are necessary and jgirls are ready to change locations often. So people share constantly and it's 80% positive anyways. The proof this works is there used to be few jgirls. TER is useless for girls that stay 1 to 5 days, so USAG is doing all the work. There are actually a ton of kgirls and cgirls but no one talks about them. Lastly, NYC is very safe for the hobby, which favors USAG.

It helps that the reviewers have seen hundreds of each other's takes. And since they focus on just the pool of jgirls, it's possible to see every single girl. You can see the parallels with HYA here, you just need to label who is a candidate and people have a fair shot. 80% of the jgirls are worth seeing, if you are a jgirl lover. Maybe the same is true of HYA. For borderline girls the comments are nice but you get a clear honest picture. Rarely, there are a few girls not worth seeing no matter your taste. Dead silence.

I actually saw a ton of great intel in OC, people just come and go. At least 8 'mini reviewers' who love HYA as much as me, but fall into one of the categories I listed. Like they see every girl for 2 months and then go back to their life, or they found the one and we never hear of them again, and so on. I have found a few girls I can't stop seeing, what can I do. Boner is the anomaly, he is the explorer of HYA, combing the wilderness for new ones.

[QUOTE=DownloadX;7118289]I think there are just fewer HYAs and many have short tours compared to MILFs... [/QUOTE]Logically this would support a higher review count. If the pool of HYA seekers who actually post reviews are held constant while the number of HYA diminishes, the overall chance that monger meets HYA increases. As a result, reviews should be more forthcoming, at least in theory. But if these type of mongers normally are averse to posting reviews and sharing their insights / opinions, then you get said outcome of low reviews of HYAs in general. That's just the conclusion I've arrived at.

Been reading up this thread. Don't know what y'all talking about half the time, but I think what we have to do is clear. Just post here girls who are actually young and not old, and build ep because I guess TER doesn't have rep. And no fuck your solid ass bonerific girls or whatever, that's honestly just stupid. There are other threads for that, it's literally off topic. I assure you American women are so fat, old, and ugly on average that Asian MILFs and whatnot will never go away. All we can do is try to give young girls more business.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7118367]Logically this would support a higher review count. If the pool of HYA seekers who actually post reviews are held constant while the number of HYA diminishes, the overall chance that monger meets HYA increases. As a result, reviews should be more forthcoming, at least in theory. But if these type of mongers normally are averse to posting reviews and sharing their insights / opinions, then you get said outcome of low reviews of HYAs in general. That's just the conclusion I've arrived at.[/QUOTE]This only happens if I have an clue who is young. Starting from scratch, all we can do ise see the Baby monkier in OK It's helpful but no guarantee, only half the bookers use it. I also rely on friends public and private. I wonder if the K label for CAKD serves as an alternative for HYA because I see the correlation. It is just my opinion, but the Baby moniker matches HYA 60%-80% of the time.

80% if you are easy to please like me, but drop it to 60% if you really care about face. I actually don't mind face if the girl is young and sweet, I just make her smile and we're both happy. Other guys have different taste, that's why I did reviews for them. It was an experiment to see how helpful description reviews are (body, hair, skin tone, attitude, etc..).

[QUOTE=CornMuffins;7118521]Been reading up this thread. Don't know what y'all talking about half the time, but I think what we have to do is clear. Just post here girls who are actually young and not old, and build ep because I guess TER doesn't have rep. And no fuck your solid ass bonerific girls or whatever, that's honestly just stupid. There are other threads for that, it's literally off topic. I assure you American women are so fat, old, and ugly on average that Asian MILFs and whatnot will never go away. All we can do is try to give young girls more business.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input, I agree young or old is what a lot of people want to know. I respect the older women, for 10 years MILFs have shown me a fantastic time. But I just want HYA for a change, so I want to know the same thing - young or old. Maybe a clue if a girl is cute or beautiful, just a hint. Boner calls them bonerific, it's his opinion everyone can say what they like or call girls how they want. Your opinion is just as valuable. In case there's confusion though, he pretty much only talks about HYA now, but he makes a few exceptions that's why he has a blanket term. Use whatever term you like.

[B]Leslie K[/B], [B]Hanni[/B], [B]Apink[/B], and [B]AllieDD[/B] have limited tours and are in OC, some for just a few days. Leslie K and Hanni are pretty solid HYAs but always read the HYA descriptions in my roster to know details. Leslie K with an alternative look with shoulder tattoos, Hanni is young with a cute face and womanly body. The other two are special too. I don't know [B]Ericka[/B] and [B]Jenny[/B] schedules but they are also HYA in my book. Ericka is very good looking and Jenny is dtf and encourages 2 shot ymmv. I mention this because I know friends who literally saw some HYA on their very last day, driving from LA. Just FYI. Other people will list different girls, I encourage them to show me who I'm missing because they are usually right.
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[QUOTE=DownloadX;7118733]This only happens if I have an clue who is young. Starting from scratch, all we can do ise see the Baby monkier in OK It's helpful but no guarantee, only half the bookers use it. I also rely on friends public and private. I wonder if the K label for CAKD serves as an alternative for HYA because I see the correlation. It is just my opinion, but the Baby moniker matches HYA 60%-80% of the time.

80% if you are easy to please like me, but drop it to 60% if you really care about face. I actually don't mind face if the girl is young and sweet, I just make her smile and we're both happy. Other guys have different taste, that's why I did reviews for them. It was an experiment to see how helpful description reviews are (body, hair, skin tone, attitude, etc..).

Thanks for your input, I agree young or old is what a lot of people want to know. I respect the older women, for 10 years MILFs have shown me a fantastic time. But I just want HYA for a change, so I want to know the same thing - young or old. Maybe a clue if a girl is cute or beautiful, just a hint. Boner calls them bonerific, it's his opinion everyone can say what they like or call girls how they want. Your opinion is just as valuable. In case there's confusion though, he pretty much only talks about HYA now, but he makes a few exceptions that's why he has a blanket term. Use whatever term you like.

[B]Leslie K[/B], [B]Hanni[/B], [B]Apink[/B], and [B]AllieDD[/B] have limited tours and are in OC, some for just a few days. Leslie K and Hanni are pretty solid HYAs but always read the HYA descriptions in my roster to know details. Leslie K with an alternative look with shoulder tattoos, Hanni is young with a cute face and womanly body. The other two are special too. I don't know [B]Ericka[/B] and [B]Jenny[/B] schedules but they are also HYA in my book. Ericka is very good looking and Jenny is dtf and encourages 2 shot ymmv. I mention this because I know friends who literally saw some HYA on their very last day, driving from LA. Just FYI. Other people will list different girls, I encourage them to show me who I'm missing because they are usually right.
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[URL]https://www.sweetasiangem.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]The Baby moniker has become unreliable. Ericka is listed as Baby Ericka on a few booker sites and she ain't no damn baby!

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7113360]I like to thank the HYAs and Superior favorites for giving Boner many happy endings. There is no Boner without you. Please treat any kind old guy (OG) like your oppa and give him a passionate boning. That OG may be Boner.

Boner is hard at work on a concept of a plan to deport MILFs next year. Hot Asian Girls (HAG) and Boner Solid Companions (BSC) will be exempted.[/QUOTE]I will say that I think I mostly have similar taste to Boner. Saw Lily-K and she was very much my taste. Great toned body, cute face. I just wish she was a little smaller as I tend to lean towards spinners. Service was ok. Not sure if I would repeat but definitely worth a visit if you have not seen her before.

Imo you guys are focusing on the wrong part of my post.

My point was that if the focus on keeping and bringing more hyas here, inevitably and irrevocably mongers will care about keeping the girls happy by any means. Which, as noble and chivalrous it may appear, will misrepresent and mislead mongers. And that's against my religion. Being truthful and straightforward is way more important than pussy supply of hyas / milfs / whatever your preference is. Imo. Focusing on giving girls biz will result in some dedicated mongers writing multiple reviews, possibly under different names. When that girl moves some might follow her to the local forums and then write reviews for her as if they lived there etc. It just snowballs so many things.

Hence my position is quite simple. Write the truth and don't have any ulterior motives for reviews. The only motive should be next brother here getting truthful information of what to be expected. It shouldn't be buttering up the hya supply in Korea.

It doesn't matter what the assumption is, if I give a looker a 9 in service it means she's on the level of a 9 service queen. And it's not like looks where it's subjective. A lot of service is very skill dependent. How can a girl who can only have endurance for 2 minutes in cg, get the same service grade of someone who can go on and on for 10 minutes in perfect rhythm of hard acg snu snu?

How can someone who sucks only the tip get the same service grade who swallows the dick whole and then uses her tongue to scrape the underside of my balls? And then swallows all my spunk in a form of a throat pie? Some girls are on a different planet service wise. Why should they get the same service grade as someone who is simply hot. All because you want her to get biz and bring more friends over or stay longer?

I do agree with Boner that it goes both ways. Service milfs shouldn't get passes in their looks either. But hot young girls shouldn't be given great service grades simply because you don't care about service much and want to keep them around.

And BTW I never said that this was about Boner. I've heard it on forums, like ter forums, someone literally said to keep hot girls we must write reviews that give them good service grades even if it wasn't good service. Especially in comparison.

Boner, as far as Yuffie and Nali / Joah not sure why you brought those specific girls up.

I've seen both in the bay area. I gave Joah 5 for her service and I gave Yuffie 6 for looks which was probably a bit generous in 2020.

The problem arises when you want to compare services and if you look at my reviews for example it's easy to see who I think are top service girls. And who I think are lookers. The Vienn diagram for this is pretty much two circles with no union. With few exceptions here and there.

The problem here is that neither of my review would be considered purely "positive" or would contribute to girls staying or going. And yet both of those reviews kinda are! One of them is an atf and another one of the best looking kgirls I've seen.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7117919]Not to put words into Boner's mouth, but I took it to mean that the more reviews of HYAs gets posted the more they are likely to recommend / recruit friends who are open to this line of work. However, that only works if the reviews are positive, that they are from reliable people, and it attracts enough exposure to keep them busy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CornMuffins;7118521]Been reading up this thread. Don't know what y'all talking about half the time, but I think what we have to do is clear. Just post here girls who are actually young and not old, and build ep because I guess TER doesn't have rep. And no fuck your solid ass bonerific girls or whatever, that's honestly just stupid. There are other threads for that, it's literally off topic. I assure you American women are so fat, old, and ugly on average that Asian MILFs and whatnot will never go away. All we can do is try to give young girls more business.[/QUOTE]K. I. S. S. Keep It Simple, Stupid.

And stop paying $420-$450 donations for MILFS, God Damn It. That's for HYA's only.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7117850]Back to HYA like Nali / Joah who had like 3 reviews while Tifa had 56 reviews in the same 2 months. Now you see why I am not happy about reviews.[/QUOTE]Nali could truly be a case of gatekeeping. She's so beautiful, and so young, and so skilled that I can understand why some guys wouldn't want to spread the word and make it even more difficult to book an appointment with her. Also, her booker is very strict about screening new customers. (Which is a good thing, IMO.).

Whereas, Tifa is booked by nearly every booker in LA. It's much easier to get an appointment with her.

But, in general, I don't rely on public reviews. As we all know, the best recommendations come from other trusted bros, usually in private conversations.

I knew you saw Nali and Yuffie was your ATF based on your posts, so I wanted to see if you think I am being fair. I think you are fair based on your POV. It seems we also agreed on Yuffie's looks. I thought I might be horny and her juicy ass and tits in the pics might have nudged a 5 to a 6.

Like you, I tend to grade or rank based on comparison of ALL girls I saw. If I care about service, I would never rate an HYA higher than an MILF if her service is not actually equivalent. Since I only care about the happiness meter, Nali's performance score ended up being high, and an MILF performance score might end up very low, like a 3 or a 2.

My big issue is the clear biases and exaggeration BB MILFs had, false intel, and lack of intel for any girl besides BB MILFs. So I joined this forum and tried to be nice and focused on only reviewing and answering questions. Yet people accused me of overrating girls on looks, or criticized their service not as good as MILF. From my POV, nobody complained about BB MILFs for their looks and age. Some people also exaggerated the service of MILFs.

That caused me to go full Boner and started the HYA movement. I completely agree that we should have truthful reviews to help everyone make better decisions. I bolded the text I complete agreed. Main problem to me is still that HYAs don't get reviewed much and MILFs have the most exaggerated reviews.

I am surprised you saw people saying "to keep hot girls we must write reviews that give them good service grades". I thought everyone was gatekeeping hot girls LOL.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;7119085]...
[b]My point was that if the focus on keeping and bringing more hyas here, inevitably and irrevocably mongers will care about keeping the girls happy by any means.[/b] Which, as noble and chivalrous it may appear, [b]will misrepresent and mislead mongers.[/b] And that's against my religion. [b]Being truthful and straightforward is way more important[/b] than pussy supply of hyas / milfs / whatever your preference is...

Hence my position is quite simple. [b]Write the truth and don't have any ulterior motives for reviews. The only motive should be next brother here getting truthful information of what to be expected.[/b] It shouldn't be buttering up the hya supply in Korea.

It doesn't matter what the assumption is, if I give a looker a 9 in service it means she's on the level of a 9 service queen. And it's not like looks where it's subjective. A lot of service is very skill dependent...

I do agree with Boner that it goes both ways. Service milfs shouldn't get passes in their looks either. But hot young girls shouldn't be given great service grades simply because you don't care about service much and want to keep them around.

And BTW I never said that this was about Boner. I've heard it on forums, like ter forums, someone literally said to keep hot girls we must write reviews that give them good service grades even if it wasn't good service. Especially in comparison.

Boner, as far as Yuffie and Nali / Joah not sure why you brought those specific girls up.

I've seen both in the bay area. I gave Joah 5 for her service and I gave Yuffie 6 for looks which was probably a bit generous in 2020.

The problem arises when you want to compare services and if you look at my reviews for example it's easy to see who I think are top service girls. And who I think are lookers. The Vienn diagram for this is pretty much two circles with no union. With few exceptions here and there.

The problem here is that neither of my review would be considered purely "positive" or would contribute to girls staying or going. And yet both of those reviews kinda are! One of them is an atf and another one of the best looking kgirls I've seen.[/QUOTE]

I forgot Nali was actually being gate kept cause she was hard to book. I tried to bust the gatekeeping by reviewing her. Let's use Baby Yui as another example. 0 review on TER and 1 review from Boner, and 2 recs from others. She was pretty busy enough. I can't help but grumbling when I saw a hot girl who seemed busy but got no review. I might have missed out!

As you said, I think most people like BB MILFs, HYAs, GFE only girls in that order, and HYAs don't get reviewed much. I might be the idiot who TOFTT while everyone else is in their little private groups and helping each other. Perhaps things still turn out the same if I did nothing. Someone did say market will self-correct after all.

I think I will stop trying so hard and just observe for a few months. It seems people prefer things the way it is. I feel like bros already know how to find HYAs.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7117937]... However, this doesn't invalid what you have said. That HYA reviews are very low in comparison to MILFs. It's just you chose a very poor example to highlight it.

My take on why HYA reviews are so low is that [b]the HYA seeking crowd is just less inclined to post reviews and share intel (for whatever reason) compared to the MILF crowd.[/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RocketManP;7119085]Imo you guys are focusing on the wrong part of my post.[/QUOTE]Same as Boner, I agree with what you said so didn't comment on those parts. Each person can add more to the perspective, so we discussed just a few points in depth. I do think we have improved the average review accuracy and honesty btw.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7119498]Like you, I tend to grade or rank based on comparison of ALL girls I saw. If I care about service, I would never rate an HYA higher than an MILF if her service is not actually equivalent.[/QUOTE]This is exactly it. What I want is totally different than what most people want. Let's suppose I wanted to lick a girl's asshole for 30 minutes and then fuck it for 15, then whether she did BBBJ full shaft or just the tip is not going to be a big factor. I'll mention it for other guys to help them out, but not for my impression of her. To use a real example, one girl I saw six times and I actually skipped BBBJ because while it was great, she was a unicorn in two other areas. Of course, with most women especially MILFs, I do expect a good BBBJ because they certainly aren't going do what I want the most. Look young. That's just me, most guys don't mind the compromise. But when I do reviews, I do them for other guys to know the facts, so I will accurately describe things I don't care about. Some things other guys love, I actually really hate. The very things MILFs do.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7119498]My big issue is the clear biases and exaggeration BB MILFs had, false intel..From my POV, nobody complained about BB MILFs for their looks and age. Some people also exaggerated the service of MILFs.[/QUOTE]This was me too. I recommend a few MILF exceptions I think are great. They're beautiful MILFs or MILFs that really make you feel special combined with good service. But for most MILFs I saw guys rating them 8's and 9's when they were 4's or 5's, and at first I thought they were just liars but then I realized half of them were dead serious. Cool. Remember my post showing the Florida AMP GILFs. The average guy wants to get off with high service and low expectations on looks. So my solution was to just not see MILFs at all anymore, for every win there are too many losses. I think I got bored of them since I used to love them. They gave me everything I was missing. But after 10 years of that I've filled that hole so they don't do it for me. Total respect for what they do, but I can no longer get enthusiastic erections for them with age and experience. They can force an erection with friction, that's it. With HYAs, the opposite. I do not recommend HYAs for most guys, they will not have my success because they really do want MILFs. I really don't!

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7119498]I bolded the text I complete agreed. Main problem to me is still that HYAs don't get reviewed much and MILFs have the most exaggerated reviews..I am surprised you saw people saying "to keep hot girls we must write reviews that give them good service grades". I thought everyone was gatekeeping hot girls LOL.[/QUOTE]There are fewer HYAs than MILFs, and it is a hidden forest problem. It is easy to randomly run into MILFs, but you have to use intel to hunt HYAs. I used to blindly walk in to every appointment, 100% blind. I told the booker, I don't care, pick for me. I was happy because I was sex starved and had been given crumbs by women for years in dating. So I truly was happy anyways. Over time that wore off, so I cared more. Then finally, after about 10 years, I said exactly like you "I can't even get an erection with some MILFs anymore". That's all it is, no offense is meant to these wonderful women they gave me some fantastic years of awesome sex and healing. I'm just saying, I want something different. Even if HYAs were inferior to me, the novelty alone would give me erections. Just like switching to Viet and Thai girls did exactly that until I got tired of it. That's totally normal, guys want variety. But it turns out, HYAs are superior for me. I know I'm in the minority of minority. So many guys are literally okay with GILFs, I've posted photographic proof of who they rounded up at Florida AMPs I'm not going to do it again. And I know for a fact customers of those GILFs were very happy for a cheap thrill with a woman who absolutely serviced them with half a century of experience. Every guy is looking for something different at a different time in their life.

I just want to take a moment and show my appreciation to everyone who have been engaging in the debate / discussion for the past two pages or so.

It's refreshing from the usual banter and IMHO one of the most important things that can happen in a platform like this. Reading what others have experienced, understanding where they are coming from, and challenging each others notions are crucial and healthy to nurture a positive community. Of course, we'll butt heads and that's natural. We shouldn't be walking on eggs here, tiptoeing around and afraid to voice our views and opinions. Everyone can take stock of the situation and hopefully come out with a better understanding of themselves and each other.

For those on the fence, I encourage you should do yourself a favor and speak out. Getting critiqued and scrutinized by others isn't as bad as it sounds. You may help others realize something they aren't aware of or rectify a misunderstanding that you had about a kgirl, another monger, or yourself.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;7119085]Imo you guys are focusing on the wrong part of my post.[/QUOTE]I should clarify that my focus was on the limited review aspect of HYAs. Expanding on this, even if more HYA reviews "hits the market", they will need to be from reliable sources. That is, from people that are known to be trustworthy and honest. When seeing a HYA, recommended or TOFTT, I go in with the default assumption that service will be underwhelming. It's a fair assumption to make because my experience with HYAs have vastly panned out as such with few exceptions. I don't get the pretense that an HYA needs to be reviewed with good service to make more come over. More will come over if the money is good. The attraction and drive to see HYA is evident in the initialism: looks and youth, that's it. Good or even great service would be icing on the cake but most HYA seekers want those two aspects first and foremost. Reviews that are honest and highlight those aspects will give said girl the exposure and business they deserve.

But to your point about honest reviews. Shills and their associated reviews has always been a problem and will continue to be so. This applies to all reviews not just HYA reviews. You will always have people pushing HYAs, GFEs only, BB MILFs, etc. Because there are benefits are to be had. Promises made by the girls, kickbacks from the bookers, paid shills by owners, and a plethora of other tactics are employed to squeeze out as much money from mongers to the kgirl machinery.

So what can we do? Be vigilant. Provide contrary experiences when you see a post that clearly did not align with what you experienced without running afoul of the posting guidelines. But do keep in mind that YMMV exists and the degree to which it can vary can be vast. Use your best judgment and common sense in these situations. That's why forums and platforms like this is so crucial. This place is a marketplace of info exchange, where propaganda, misinformation, and truth can all exist at the same time. We just need more people to step up to the plate and help with weeding out reviews driven by ulterior motives.

[QUOTE=DownloadX;7119558]Same as Boner, I agree with what you said so didn't comment on those parts. Each person can add more to the perspective, so we discussed just a few points in depth. I do think we have improved the average review accuracy and honesty btw.

This is exactly it. What I want is totally different than what most people want. Let's suppose I wanted to lick a girl's asshole for 30 minutes and then fuck it for 15, then whether she did BBBJ full shaft or just the tip is not going to be a big factor. I'll mention it for other guys to help them out, but not for my impression of her. To use a real example, one girl I saw six times and I actually skipped BBBJ because while it was great, she was a unicorn in two other areas. Of course, with most women especially MILFs, I do expect a good BBBJ because they certainly aren't going do what I want the most. Look young. That's just me, most guys don't mind the compromise. But when I do reviews, I do them for other guys to know the facts, so I will accurately describe things I don't care about. Some things other guys love, I actually really hate. The very things MILFs do.

This was me too. I recommend a few MILF exceptions I think are great. They're beautiful MILFs or MILFs that really make you feel special combined with good service. But for most MILFs I saw guys rating them 8's and 9's when they were 4's or 5's, and at first I thought they were just liars but then I realized half of them were dead serious. Cool. Remember my post showing the Florida AMP GILFs. The average guy wants to get off with high service and low expectations on looks. So my solution was to just not see MILFs at all anymore, for every win there are too many losses. I think I got bored of them since I used to love them. They gave me everything I was missing. But after 10 years of that I've filled that hole so they don't do it for me. Total respect for what they do, but I can no longer get enthusiastic erections for them with age and experience. They can force an erection with friction, that's it. With HYAs, the opposite. I do not recommend HYAs for most guys, they will not have my success because they really do want MILFs. I really don't!.[/QUOTE]One man's MILF is another man's HYA and vice versa. Some mongers here are in their 60's and some are 20 somethings. It's all a matter of perspective.

Quick short report while sitting in my car.

Nalia in MW.

Thin sleek body. Cute face that has gentle features and pretty darn good in bed.

She aims to please. Some bullet points.

- she's attractive so easy on the eyes.

- nice thin body with cute curves.

- I like a sensual session and she fit the bill.

Sexy moans and her hand gestures gliding down her neck and tits while daty was hot.

Her rhythmic moves on top was fab! Her lovebox is nice and tight and juice flows while getting balls deep in her.

I'm not sure if she's a rebrand but I didn't recognize her from anywhere else.

[QUOTE=RockItAllNite;7119830]One man's MILF is another man's HYA and vice versa. Some mongers here are in their 60's and some are 20 somethings. It's all a matter of perspective.[/QUOTE]I'm 68 and if she looks 35 or older, I'm not happy. My view of attractive never adjusted to my age over the years; I physically see women the exact same way as I saw them when I was 25. Sometimes you visit a provider who looks under 30 at first glance with the right lighting and fresh make-up, only to start noticing the cracks in the facade once the vigorous work-out gets to 25 minutes or so and your eyes adjust to the light. That's when the boner starts to fade. At that point, nothing they do is going to help because I can't unsee what I've seen.

Lackluster service from a hot girl= Meh. Great service from a not hot (older and / or not Vina Sky petite) girl= Meh. I generally end up with buyers remorse in those situations.

Bad service from not hot girl= unacceptable and waste of hard-earned money. Great service from hot (20's, Vina Sky petite)= Success and happiness.

Should point out that I'm one of those guys for whom age, stretch marks or signs of being a mom and any extra weight are extreme turn-offs before the festivities even begin. Pretty much impossible for any girl to overcome that unless I walk in blindfolded and never actually see them. Of course, in that situation, I would assume the worst. .