Massage Therapists

[QUOTE=Somehaole;1193202]Your arguments about fears of getting busted are actually pretty stupid. Charging more for HE is NOT going to reduce your chances of a raid, so please stop with that nonsense.[/QUOTE]Heh, good point. A higher tip won't reduce the chance of a RAID. All it does is give it more incentive to offer HE. That's it. Make it more worth it at the risk of still getting caught.

However, I can see why the providers are upset. Since this is a public site, there's going to be someone down the road that will read a post and take advantage of it. He goes down there thinking he'll get the same result. When he doesn't, he pushes the issue cause he read on the forum that so and so received this and that. So, although this site is for postings peoples experiences, it can also backfire.

Heh, I remember someone posted about a person telling a provider that someone else got this and that from her. He all bummed why he never get the same thing. Then, the provider was shocked about it and questioned him. Messed up man messed up!

Catch 22. You're Fucked either way. If you don't post and keep it to yourself, you're not contributing on the forum. But, if you do post, someone takes advantage of it. Next thing you know, some random guy reads the forum, go down there and expects the same thing. When he doesn't, he get upset and tells the provider: "Wow, why not? I read online you did it for someone else?" Like bringing that up going make things better and will convince her to want to do it.

[QUOTE=Smokin Gun;1190925]Tammy looks like she's got some nice titties. I got to feel them from outside her clothes, as well as her ass, but never her bare body. I have gotten a he from her a couple times. Not as sensual and spine tingling as Ta, but pretty damn good while feeling that hot bod. On occasion, I've seen her walk along Kapiolani towards Ala Moana Shopping Center from Century Center. She looks just a hot, if not hotter in public. I think,"damn, that girl stroke my cock real good!"[/QUOTE]Went to see Tammy the other day and she was so upset I asked for HJ. I was expecting to get extras as she came very close to the boys on my previous visits. Her massage was not as sensual this time around. I guess she saw her name on the forum. LOL!

Tammy if you do read this. Please give it up. You shouldn't waste your talent or your body like that.

[QUOTE=V Rider; 1193595]You are assuming that all providers give a good massage. If that is the case, then it will be true that the massage is what we are there for. The HE is a bonus for the customer in which case it's similar to a "free dessert" with your meal and we should tip accordingly. But it starts with a good massage. Otherwise, for what other reason are we there? That's where it blends in definition and the tipping scale gets skewed. Solution? Maybe more communication prior to HE?

Just my. 02.

Be safe all,

V Rider[/QUOTE]You are totally right about giving a good massage first. That is what they advertise and thats what the majority of our money is going towards. Lately there have been quite a few places that offer crap massages and so so HJ. In fact it seems like the mentality is HJ is the thing that matters. I'm sure there are some people that are just cheap, but I have to believe there are also some that do have a logical explanation on why they tipped what they did. There have been some reports on mongerers only staying for less than the hour they paid. In that case its kind of hard to determine on what he should tip you since he didn't get the complete service. To places such as TH, if all you can offer is sensual massages, then what good are you for? Annie, Dragonfly, etc. If sexual favors is your motive then I'd rather take my business to a real relaxation establishment. Point to all this, get your business in order and perhaps the money will follow.

[QUOTE=Blade82;1194534]You are totally right about giving a good massage first. That is what they advertise and thats what the majority of our money is going towards. Lately there have been quite a few places that offer crap massages and so so HJ. In fact it seems like the mentality is HJ is the thing that matters. I'm sure there are some people that are just cheap, but I have to believe there are also some that do have a logical explanation on why they tipped what they did. There have been some reports on mongerers only staying for less than the hour they paid. In that case its kind of hard to determine on what he should tip you since he didn't get the complete service. To places such as TH, if all you can offer is sensual massages, then what good are you for? Annie, Dragonfly, etc. If sexual favors is your motive then I'd rather take my business to a real relaxation establishment. Point to all this, get your business in order and perhaps the money will follow.[/QUOTE]In my experience one of the best therapists anywhere is Nina. Go there all the time. Clean place, great massage, nice lady. She gives strictly legit massage and that is what I'm there for. With the economy the way it is need to make sure of quality.

[QUOTE=Mushi;1193535]Sounds like you're a provider, so if you got sixty dollars which is. 60 and not $60 which is one hundred sixty dollars then they don't tip then you're right. But if they gave you one hundred sixty dollars, $.60 then didn't tip they over paid. Just an opinion as I think a good massage with HE is worth about $.20 to $.50[/QUOTE]Back when AMP's were not full on full service, you paid the standard house fee, and the menu was: 50 HJ. 100 BJ. 150 FS, and they always started off with some type of massage! Now I understand that a one hour massage went up to house fee $60, and maybe you need to tip a little more than 50 to make it worth it for the MT. Keep in mind that at AMP's FS is steady at 150, and we are in a deflationary period with good competition. One problem is that customers tip 20 for a legitimate massage, and if they get 50 for HE, that is only 30 extra. Legitimate MT's only recently started giving HE, we got to keep to the standard fees, and hold the line!

[QUOTE=Asstro;1194775]Back when AMP's were not full on full service, you paid the standard house fee, and the menu was: 50 HJ. 100 BJ. 150 FS, and they always started off with some type of massage! Now I understand that a one hour massage went up to house fee $60, and maybe you need to tip a little more than 50 to make it worth it for the MT. Keep in mind that at AMP's FS is steady at 150, and we are in a deflationary period with good competition. One problem is that customers tip 20 for a legitimate massage, and if they get 50 for HE, that is only 30 extra. Legitimate MT's only recently started giving HE, we got to keep to the standard fees, and hold the line![/QUOTE]Yes you are right. My massage fee is 60 dollars for 60 minutes. When he asked for HE, then its okay knowing that he will give additional fee. With some touching. Then it comes out he gave only 60dollars. What an upset. I hope most providers should be aware that there are clients like this. So, now I realized why some providers doesn't want to offer HE anymore if the client will not give the right amount for HE.

[QUOTE=Asstro;1194775]Back when AMP's were not full on full service, you paid the standard house fee, and the menu was: 50 HJ. 100 BJ. 150 FS, and they always started off with some type of massage! Now I understand that a one hour massage went up to house fee $60, and maybe you need to tip a little more than 50 to make it worth it for the MT. Keep in mind that at AMP's FS is steady at 150, and we are in a deflationary period with good competition. One problem is that customers tip 20 for a legitimate massage, and if they get 50 for HE, that is only 30 extra. Legitimate MT's only recently started giving HE, we got to keep to the standard fees, and hold the line![/QUOTE]Just last year or so the rates were your. 50. 60 HF, then. 40 for HJ and. 60 for BJ.

[QUOTE=Asstro;1194775]Back when AMP's were not full on full service, you paid the standard house fee, and the menu was: 50 HJ. 100 BJ. 150 FS, and they always started off with some type of massage! Now I understand that a one hour massage went up to house fee $60, and maybe you need to tip a little more than 50 to make it worth it for the MT. Keep in mind that at AMP's FS is steady at 150, and we are in a deflationary period with good competition. One problem is that customers tip 20 for a legitimate massage, and if they get 50 for HE, that is only 30 extra. Legitimate MT's only recently started giving HE, we got to keep to the standard fees, and hold the line![/QUOTE]Your fees listed were never that high. HJ. 40 BJ. 60 FS 8.0-1.1

If you are facing good competition, then it appears to defeat your business model by trying to ask for higher tips from customers. There are a lot of quality providers that offer the same services that you offer but gladly accept more money. Your philosophy will put you out of business in no time.

Explain your rationale for a HE (I assume HJ) being worth that much more. Is it more labor intensive or is it based on fear of legal action? I doubt it is more labor intensive then actually continuing the massage for another 10-15 minutes until the hour is up, thus it must be fear of legal recourse. If that is the case, then you are better off giving legit massages. You can be happy with the tip provided and not have to worry about any legal repercussions. Complaining about tipping for HE only causes you to lose legit and non-legit customers on this board and through their word of mouth. It makes you appear to be a greedy provider who will always expect more. This will not work, especially with so many other providers willing to make money.

[QUOTE=Asstro;1194775]Back when AMP's were not full on full service, you paid the standard house fee, and the menu was: 50 HJ. 100 BJ. 150 FS, and they always started off with some type of massage! Now I understand that a one hour massage went up to house fee $60, and maybe you need to tip a little more than 50 to make it worth it for the MT. Keep in mind that at AMP's FS is steady at 150, and we are in a deflationary period with good competition. One problem is that customers tip 20 for a legitimate massage, and if they get 50 for HE, that is only 30 extra. Legitimate MT's only recently started giving HE, we got to keep to the standard fees, and hold the line![/QUOTE]


Point taken. Agree with most of what you said, but I disagree with the part where you say legitimate therapists have only recently started giving HE's. If prostitution is the oldest profession, then legit massage therapists giving HE's is probably the 2nd oldest profession. The hey day for me was back in the 80's, but I'm sure someone will say it was before that. A lot of guys tip $20 for a good massage. That makes $40-$50, not worth the risk for a lot of therapists. The risk of losing their license is not worth it. Back in the day, risk of discovery was low. HE's happened a fair amount of the time, you just wouldn't see it posted on the Internet. The net has made life difficult for therapists, so here we are as customers stuck in a catch 22. The increased risk leading to higher asking prices. More chatter means it gets harder to get.

AT2

Call made appt. She is Taiwanese 5'4, 115lbs, slim, blk. Hair and nice personality. Call her from downstairs and she came down weaning a jeans cutoff shorts and shirt. Not bad looking around a 6. Took shower and she ask for the money up front $80 then counted it. Made a call to her boss she said. Everything covered. BJ so so. 69 nice pussy really wet. She is very fragile handle with care. Mish, ds, cg, rcg, side mish, spoon, exploded in mish. She work out of her apt. Lfk, DATY, some fiv very little. Clean up, hug and left. Repeat? L6 / A8 / S7 fee:$80

Obviously providers read our posts here and in doing so recently, have over-used the words "soft touch" and "light touch" to lure us mongers in with no intention of offering us what we expect to be "soft or light" touch.

Next thing you know, providers will be using acronyms like HJ and HE to lure us in, then (upon our appointments last 5 minutes) deny knowing the "true" meaning of the acronyms saying "oh. I meant HJ is- happy joy and HE is- heavy effleurage." Frustrating and frustrated.

Upon posting misleading and extremely provocative photos that instigate a sexual / sensual environment, providers must know that we communicate and will use our network (here in USASG) to patronize these establishments, or NOT.

I realize some providers need to be cautious, but for those that have no intention of offering what they incline to advertise, then they will not enjoy a continued-loyal customer base. The sad thing is that most of the providers guilty of this faux pas, used to actually provide HE almost as far back as the old Island Massage days. Guess who is the worst at this?

The only thing that seems consistent and promising is the Chinese invasion at CC. The massage is no way near as good as Thai providers, but your yang will be satisfied. So take heed Thai providers if you are reading, go back to the old ways, makes things go back to normal. Don't let the Chinese and Korean providers have all the fun AND money.

[QUOTE=Ghin1;1195721]Call made appt. She is Taiwanese 5'4, 115lbs, slim, blk. Hair and nice personality. Call her from downstairs and she came down weaning a jeans cutoff shorts and shirt. Not bad looking around a 6. Took shower and she ask for the money up front $80 then counted it. Made a call to her boss she said. Everything covered. BJ so so. 69 nice pussy really wet. She is very fragile handle with care. Mish, ds, cg, rcg, side mish, spoon, exploded in mish. She work out of her apt. Lfk, DATY, some fiv very little. Clean up, hug and left. Repeat? L6 / A8 / S7 fee:$80[/QUOTE]Hey G, Walina! Is that Walina St. In Waikiki? Where did you find her posting. Any additional info would be helpful.

Thanks,

KS

Saw this ad on BP:

[url]http://honolulu.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/hot-thai-girl-and-hot-local-girl-massage/2592164[/url]

When I tried to call, no answer and it was a stuffy-sounding dude on the voicemail. Weird. Anyone got an appointment with? I was going to TOFTT but I can't even get gig here.

JK

[QUOTE=Junior Knight;1195887]Obviously providers read our posts here and in doing so recently, have over-used the words "soft touch" and "light touch" to lure us mongers in with no intention of offering us what we expect to be "soft or light" touch / Upon posting misleading and extremely provocative photos that instigate a sexual / sensual environment, providers must know that we communicate and will use our network / Thai providers if you are reading, go back to the old ways, makes things go back to normal. Don't let the Chinese and Korean providers have all the fun AND money.[/QUOTE]It's been awhile since I said anything, but obviously it's time to repeat it.

Most of the massage joints at Century Center are "Tease and Please"/The girls will tease, and you will say "please" but you can only hope for a HAND JOB maybe a HAPPY ENDING and once in a great while, A FULL SERVICE SESSION. But rarely.

I gave up months ago.

I personally would declare a boycott for all mongers. If you want a massage, go for it. If you want more, fugedaboutit!

If everyone would just STOP going to the Thai or Chinese or Asian "sensual" rubs places with teasing pics, then AND ONLY THEN, would these chicks wise up and figure something else out. As long as they figure they can suck us in, but not suck us off, then fuck them. If you want a legit massage and they are offering that with NO PICS of scantily clad chicks and sensual or sexy descriptions, then you walk in and get what you expect.

If you want a HJ or BJ or FS, go to an AMP and stop fucking wasting your money and time at CC rub houses.

Fuck these chicks and there BS teasing but no action. Be legit, act legit, advertise legit. Act like an AMP, show pics like an AMP, then you should be an AMP. Otherwise fuck off.

This is NOT meant to be a bad post against Junior KNight.

It is meant to be a "notice" to newbies to join up and stop wasting your time and money at ANYPLACE at CC. Go to an AMP ANY AMP in town where you KNOW the ground rules are 'SEX IN EXCHANGE FOR MONEY' is guaranteed. If you just want a HJ, then tell her and pay accordingly.

I know, I know, a lot of guys (me too!) want a nice massage and then get finished with a great HJ by a good looking girl. Well, how many times do you want to try that and HIT or MISS?

Like I said, I gave up months agao and NEVER go back to ANYPLACE at CC anymore.

[QUOTE=Junior Knight; 1195905]Saw this ad on BP:

[url]http://honolulu.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/hot-thai-girl-and-hot-local-girl-massage/2592164[/url]

When I tried to call, no answer and it was a stuffy-sounding dude on the voicemail. Weird. Anyone got an appointment with? I was going to TOFTT but I can't even get gig here.

JK[/QUOTE]It looks to me like another TH ad. If that is the case I recommend staying home and saving some kala.