EMP (European Massage Parlor) Reports

[QUOTE=TheWimp;5687736]My first visit ever to the church did not go as planned. I booked appt and arrived one hour early because of poor timing on my part. I saw a few ladies get out of their expensive cars and looked promising. I headed downstairs about 10 min early and saw one lady talking to building contractor about basement renovation. The contractor said I hope not to offend but this basement looks like a dungeon. I agree, I expected more from a high net worth suburb. She asked me who I was seeing and I mentioned the place. She said someone should be arriving shortly. Well, shortly must mean one hour 15 min or more. While I waited in the outside area, I called one of the other places on that floor. I booked appt and thought, whoever arrives first Ill go with since I'm already here. Well the second appt arrived on time but shoot, I saw this girl before for outcall! She is not too attractive and one reason I visited the church was to experience something new. I exited quickly using a monger trick and did not return. By the way, the first lady I talked too had huge chest and was very nice. But since I've knew of the glove, no thanks. I pass. I will stick to my new Euro suburban place for euro ladies and visit some other Euros I am a client of. The church looks like 1970's decor in hallway. By the way, the contractor mentioned something that is common in basements if you have chipped lamanent / tiles in older buildings. On way back, I called another spa close to church but lady on phone sounded mean. I wont spend my dollar on mean.[/QUOTE]So, what is this "church" you speak of, and what suburban place with Euro ladies? Pickings are slim, would be nice to know vs trying to guess.

I was wondering the same.

[QUOTE=PeteMusk;5688883]So, what is this "church" you speak of, and what suburban place with Euro ladies? Pickings are slim, would be nice to know vs trying to guess.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PeteMusk;5688883]So, what is this "church" you speak of, and what suburban place with Euro ladies? Pickings are slim, would be nice to know vs trying to guess.[/QUOTE]I believe he is referring to the basement offices at Shermer and Church. I'm wondering which one of the therapists arrived eventually? If it was for Creative, Nat does have a wonderful rack, but she is not as young as she was when she started out. Irina down the hall would've provided a fantastic massage, but the chest is off-limits. I find that way more frustrating than the glove part. I'm also going to guess that he may have called either 7 H or Solar. Euros always sound irritable over the phone, haha.

I stay on the north side, although I hear things can be quite heavenly in the burbs...

[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5688685]So I was thinking about this the other day. The only remaining EMP therapists are older and have been here a long time. There is no fresh young talent. They have all gone to the motel work. The motel work charges clients 160 hhr 200 hr. Out of that, the girls only keep 40 percent. So they are making 60 hhr 80 hr to give a crappy massage on a bed followed by an HJ. And the majority of them attempt to charge for simple upgrades like topless, nude, etc. They are trying to charge 40,100, etc. Crazy amounts for this. I'm sure some guys pay but most probably decline. But the reality is they would still rather work that job than the parlor. So the ultimate question is, what would you guys be willing to pay an hour for a younger Euro therapist to give a high quality massage with finish in a parlor? Because 70 with a 50 dollar tip is not going to cut it anymore. It probably needs to be 180 or 200 for them to even consider it.[/QUOTE]Short answer for pretty young euro offering massage and HJ: 120 in street clothes. 140-160 in lingerie. Up to 200 full nude. But it depends. Doesn't matter to me if parlor, motel or apartment although I prefer parlor with massage table because beds are uncomfortable with my neck issues.

I don't get your math. If they are getting 80/ hr for standard finish at a motel then how is that any different from a parlor where they get 1/2 the house plus tip (so 40+40 also comes back to 80/ hr for basic service). Toss in tips for topless, roaming, nude, etc and the two seem pretty similar. It just seems to me the reason we can't find young hotties at the parlors if that they go motel / agency and provide full service for significantly higher tips than what they can get at a parlor where activities are restricted. How many girls are willing to jerk off a stranger and let him play with her tits but not do more?

There are so many things that can change the calculus. Really good massage vs ok massage. Really good looking vs just the beauty of youth for us older guys. Really good personality vs just ok. Really nice parlor / room / table vs just average. I went to a place in Dallas a long time ago where you could grab a beer or a whiskey and hang out watching tv before / after if you had time to kill. Real massage lotion vs baby oil. And of course nudity and roaming not to mention that quality of the HJ that can vary tremendously. I have no problem paying 200/ hr or more for a massage and HJ but I usually don't unless the boxes are all ticked, and chicago Emp's don't currently tick all the boxes.

Always looking for new ideas if anyone has suggestions. Zz.

[QUOTE=DrManhattan;5689118]I believe he is referring to the basement offices at Shermer and Church. I'm wondering which one of the therapists arrived eventually? If it was for Creative, Nat does have a wonderful rack, but she is not as young as she was when she started out. Irina down the hall would've provided a fantastic massage, but the chest is off-limits. I find that way more frustrating than the glove part. I'm also going to guess that he may have called either 7 H or Solar. Euros always sound irritable over the phone, haha.

I stay on the north side, although I hear things can be quite heavenly in the burbs...[/QUOTE]Dr. Manhattan. You are correct about the location. Lana is the one who showed up. PM me if interested and I'll send you her link. Yes Solar was the one I called after bailing at the church. The lady sounded like a b-h. I expected more from Northbrook but the church ended up being meh.

I can afford apartment prices but prefer European Spa's and Independent European therapists. The success rate at any apartment is 100%. There is no challenge. I am not looking for FS. I know going to any apartment visit that I'm getting what I pay for. I only visited one Euro apartment on Belmont Ave and drew the tall Polish blonde with tattoo markings. There was no challenge and a lot of risk (by law and by disease). I prefer a spa or independent Euro because (for the new girls) I am not sure I will get my needs met. Its exciting to book appointment with someone new and figure out if it will happen at time of session. If it doesn't happen, I don't mind because at least I got rubbed by a semi attractive Euro. I've failed many times, most recently with a hot Euro who adverts on thumbtk. But it wasn't a waste because I ended up going out to lunch with her and met a nice person. Also, for me there is no art of seduction or trying to treat them differently. I'm there for a massage and something else. I'm not looking to marry or date casually. The European ladies are better looking than Latina's and AMP therapists. I would rather pay 140 total for massage and standard finish over 200 for FS at apartment because I'm not interested in FS at all. European Spas are the safest route to go for my mongering needs. Also. Experience mongers know that once they get their needs met with a therapist, its on to the next adventure. The therapists know this as well. I think the Euro scene is dead and nothing like the three or four years of Lisunia Spa existence. That place should be the benchmark of Euro spas. The owner has since moved on to the restaurant business and is a very successful wealthy man.

[QUOTE=TheWimp;5689347]I can afford apartment prices but prefer European Spa's and Independent European therapists. The success rate at any apartment is 100%. There is no challenge. I am not looking for FS. I know going to any apartment visit that I'm getting what I pay for. I only visited one Euro apartment on Belmont Ave and drew the tall Polish blonde with tattoo markings. There was no challenge and a lot of risk (by law and by disease). I prefer a spa or independent Euro because (for the new girls) I am not sure I will get my needs met. Its exciting to book appointment with someone new and figure out if it will happen at time of session. If it doesn't happen, I don't mind because at least I got rubbed by a semi attractive Euro. I've failed many times, most recently with a hot Euro who adverts on thumbtk. But it wasn't a waste because I ended up going out to lunch with her and met a nice person. Also, for me there is no art of seduction or trying to treat them differently. I'm there for a massage and something else. I'm not looking to marry or date casually. The European ladies are better looking than Latina's and AMP therapists. I would rather pay 140 total for massage and standard finish over 200 for FS at apartment because I'm not interested in FS at all. European Spas are the safest route to go for my mongering needs. Also. Experience mongers know that once they get their needs met with a therapist, its on to the next adventure. The therapists know this as well. I think the Euro scene is dead and nothing like the three or four years of Lisunia Spa existence. That place should be the benchmark of Euro spas. The owner has since moved on to the restaurant business and is a very successful wealthy man.[/QUOTE]Those were the days. Many years ago. Lisunia Spa existence North Harlem. Very tall gal can't remember name. Lithuanian I think.

[QUOTE=Gopher88;5689372]Those were the days. Many years ago. Lisunia Spa existence North Harlem. Very tall gal can't remember name. Lithuanian I think.[/QUOTE]Ivana (Ivonka). Polish. 5’10”. Now married to fellow non attractive European.

[QUOTE=PeteMusk;5688883]So, what is this "church" you speak of, and what suburban place with Euro ladies? Pickings are slim, would be nice to know vs trying to guess.[/QUOTE]Where abouts.

Some of you seem to be confused with my previous post. You seem to think that I am comparing Euro motel FS agencies like the 262, MA to EMPs like Maria's, Irene's, Solar, etc. That is incorrect and those are apples and oranges. My post regarding Euro motels was about the agency that is bringing attractive young Euro girls to Chicago who offer HJ only with some clothing upgrades like topless, nude etc. There is no FS available openly on the menu. I'm pretty sure I made this clear in my previous post. I think some of you have a mental association with FS and motels. Understand that before the 262 went FS, it was bodyrub only, along with 2 other agencies (530 and 773) and the draw was the challenge of getting more. After a few visits, the menu would open up for many of these girls and it didn't always come with a price tag. But that is a discussion for another day.

The current Euro non-FS massage market is bifurcated. There is nobody under 45 doing parlor work. It's just that simple. Most are a 6 or lower in looks. Many are overweight. If visiting these women is a challenge to you, by all means enjoy it. I am simply asking what you would be willing to pay to have the same time of service but with a 25 to 35 year old instead of a 45 to 65 year old. Because the current rates are not attracting that type of talent. And in 5 to 10 years time, simply based on the current age of the women working, the market will have completely disappeared due to retirement.

Meanwhile we have a steady supply of younger talent working the motels who are not making a ton of money unless guys tip them to take their clothes off. But of course, they are not expected to give a quality massage, so the toll on their bodies is less at the end of the day. I'm sure there is a sweet spot price that would make at least some of them want to work the parlors.

[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5690209]Meanwhile we have a steady supply of younger talent working the motels who are not making a ton of money unless guys tip them to take their clothes off. But of course, they are not expected to give a quality massage, so the toll on their bodies is less at the end of the day. I'm sure there is a sweet spot price that would make at least some of them want to work the parlors.[/QUOTE]I suppose the $200 question is... who are the younger, attractive Euros with real massage skills that are willing to provide even modest extras?

[QUOTE=TheWimp;5689261]Dr. Manhattan. You are correct about the location. Lana is the one who showed up. PM me if interested and I'll send you her link. Yes Solar was the one I called after bailing at the church. The lady sounded like a b-h. I expected more from Northbrook but the church ended up being meh.[/QUOTE]When did that happen? I cancelled on Solar last Friday and she was pissed. I had great times with her as trusted regular and sometimes, complete miss.

[QUOTE=Gopher88;5689392]Where abouts.[/QUOTE]It is the ct or creative therapies building, to avoid anyone else having to play detective. Several old ladies at this point, operating there.

Sometimes it feels like re trying one of them might make them younger but it doesn't, LOL.

When someone says something like "attractive euros in the suburbs " or having lunch with a cute girl on thumbtack, I'd rather that be shared vs trying to guess, imo.

[QUOTE=Seraph2;5690281]When did that happen? I cancelled on Solar last Friday and she was pissed. I had great times with her as trusted regular and sometimes, complete miss.[/QUOTE]Seraph. It (Solar call) happened this week. PM me if you would like details. I've never been to solar. However I use to have Sara visit me for outcall. The first session I had with Sara was excellent but the remaining sessions I had were not worth the money spent.

[QUOTE=PeteMusk;5690445]When someone says something like "attractive euros in the suburbs " or having lunch with a cute girl on thumbtack, I'd rather that be shared vs trying to guess, imo.[/QUOTE]My comment about "Heavenly" is simply about a Heavenly location that I haven't scouted yet. I don't travel south that far, so I can't comment firsthand. I believe people are reluctant to speak about it because as a chain that business is mostly legit. Unlike CT, which exists solely to satisfy this small audience of massage enthusiasts. It's probably wise to keep Heavenly in the dm's.

I'd simply let the aging EMP ladies go quietly into the night and transfer all of my activities to the hotel agencies if even a few of them actually provided a quality massage. I also agree with the previous comment that their back or neck no longer allow for a comfortable massage experience on a generic mattress. Given that I first got into this hobby at the same age as many of these established Euros, it's something I'm willing to overlook at this point.

I won't lie, finding a young Euro with skills and a table in a studio would be the unicorn in this situation. Katja at Solar was the last one for me that fits that criteria. Even then, I never had to pay her more than 160 for a topless HJ. Spending 200+ on a hotel Euro for her looks alone would only be a small step above getting a full-contact lapdance in order to meet my needs.