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[QUOTE=StainGlass;7303190]A girl that I had met before wants to hang around in the day, and I don't have a place. She does weed: So, what are the places to go and hang around with girls? .
SG.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MmceStep;7303480]I'm not saying that these guys are LEO for sure, but I would expect an infiltration would look like some of the recent posts on our Escorts thread. New members with low post counts all promoting and vouching for a new ad / new # for a provider that they claim is an old, safe provider that's come back to the business. IMO, you contact a provider with that setup at great risk. Now, if one of our trusted seniors posts 'I responded to the ad, she's real etc', then that's a different story. But if you're only trusting 3 random new accounts with like 12-18 posts hyping a brand new ads, all posting the same message within a few days of each other.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Cops do NOT use this forum for evidence because it's impossible to verify. If cops COULD use this forum for evidence why in the fuck would they wait for you guys? They would stop by the public library, use a public computer and post whatever the fuck they needed. In 25 fucking years there has been one and only one sting run on this forum. 7 or 8 years ago the FBI ran a sting for pedos. Of the 1.8 million registered users they only caught one. Which is something I'm very proud of and I think they were disappointed because they never came back.
There has never, not once, been a case of some cops commenting a fake ad on the forum to get you guys to go there but by all means keep suggesting it so that it starts.
There are rules for evidence, nothing here is qualified. Should you place as much weight on a first time poster as a 10 year senior? You all know the answer to that.
Just fucking stop, you guys are not DPR and this is not the Silk Road, they wait until neighbors complain, that's it.
Seriously just fucking stop I get tired of reading this horseshit.
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[QUOTE=GMan7547;7178748]as well as resurrected Senior members.[/QUOTE][BLUE]What the fuck is a "resurrected Senior member?" Passwords are encrypted on the server so if a cop is going to "resurrect" a senior how do they do that? The cops in Greensborough are going to hack into our server in Malaysia in order to find the encrypted password list? I can't create a single new post for any one of you guys, and if I can't, they sure as fuck can't.
The forum is about pussy, write about pussy.
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[QUOTE=Admin2;7304025][BLUE]Cops do NOT use this forum for evidence because it's impossible to verify. If cops COULD use this forum for evidence why in the fuck would they wait for you guys? They would stop by the public library, use a public computer and post whatever the fuck they needed. In 25 fucking years there has been one and only one sting run on this forum. 7 or 8 years ago the FBI ran a sting for pedos. Of the 1.8 million registered users they only caught one. Which is something I'm very proud of and I think they were disappointed because they never came back.
There has never, not once, been a case of some cops commenting a fake ad on the forum to get you guys to go there but by all means keep suggesting it so that it starts.
There are rules for evidence, nothing here is qualified. Should you place as much weight on a first time poster as a 10 year senior? You all know the answer to that.
Just fucking stop, you guys are not DPR and this is not the Silk Road, they wait until neighbors complain, that's it.
Seriously just fucking stop I get tired of reading this horseshit.
A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]I am an attorney, and you are missing my point. Solicitation in NC doesn't work like most jurisdictions in the US. All that's required is that they confirm you've seen an ad, you communicate with them and agree to go to their location. Then, when you arrive at 'the place of prostitution' you have committed Solicitation, which is now a felony in NC. If you've made or accepted an offer, you don't even need to go to their location. They can and do come to your home to collect you. No one is suggesting that they're using this forum for evidence collection. Read the words that are being typed before responding with an emotional response. What LEO is doing on SkipTheGames is posting fake decoy ads for us to respond to. Being savvy mongers, we come here to check the the veracity of those ads by looking for reviews from profiles we trust. It's already been suggested that Invictus uses 'fake reviews' to get mongers to trust that a decoy ad is genuine. The OP was merely asking for techniques to employ which can improve their odds of not being rolled up in one of these stings. It's a good suggestion right now to only completely trust an ad when a senior is vouching for it. I'm not sure what's wrong with any of that??
[QUOTE=MmceStep;7304550]I am an attorney, and you are missing my point. Solicitation in NC doesn't work like most jurisdictions in the US. All that's required is that they confirm you've seen an ad, you communicate with them and agree to go to their location. Then, when you arrive at 'the place of prostitution' you have committed Solicitation, which is now a felony in NC. If you've made or accepted an offer, you don't even need to go to their location. They can and do come to your home to collect you. No one is suggesting that they're using this forum for evidence collection. Read the words that are being typed before responding with an emotional response. What LEO is doing on SkipTheGames is posting fake decoy ads for us to respond to. Being savvy mongers, we come here to check the the veracity of those ads by looking for reviews from profiles we trust. It's already been suggested that Invictus uses 'fake reviews' to get mongers to trust that a decoy ad is genuine. The OP was merely asking for techniques to employ which can improve their odds of not being rolled up in one of these stings. It's a good suggestion right now to only completely trust an ad when a senior is vouching for it. I'm not sure what's wrong with any of that??[/QUOTE]What's Accurate About That Statement:
"Solicitation in NC doesn't work like most jurisdictions".
Mostly true. NC does have stricter enforcement in some areas, especially when it comes to what counts as solicitation. You don't need to exchange money or even fully act on the offer — the agreement itself can be enough.
"All that's required is that they confirm you've seen an ad, you communicate with them and agree to go to their location".
Partially true. If you agree to meet at a known or prearranged location for a sex act — and it's clearly understood as such — that could be used as evidence of intent and solicitation.
However, just seeing an ad and going somewhere isn't enough by itself. There must be clear agreement about sex for money.
The communication needs to suggest a commercial sex transaction.
"When you arrive at the place of prostitution, you've committed solicitation".
Mostly inaccurate. Simply arriving at a location isn't enough unless there was:
Clear agreement about a sex act for payment beforehand.
NC law still requires intent plus an act in furtherance — arriving might be that "act," but only if prior communication proves intent.
"Which is now a felony in NC".
False for most cases.
First-time solicitation is a Class 1 Misdemeanor in NC.
It becomes a felony if there are aggravating factors, such as:
Involvement of a minor (Class E or Class C Felony depending on age).
Promoting, pimping, or human trafficking.
Repeat offenses or organized activity.
"If you've made or accepted an offer, you don't even need to go to their location".
Correct — if the offer and acceptance are clearly documented (e. G. Via text / chat / call), that can be enough to charge someone.
"They can and do come to your home to collect you".
That happens — especially in online sting cases. Officers pretending to be escorts or clients will arrange meetups and come to your home or invite you to a hotel, then arrest you upon arrival.
Summary of Truth:
Statement Accuracy Notes.
NC law is different from others. Mostly True Slightly broader definition, especially with online stings.
Seeing ad + agreeing + going = solicitation. Partially True Only if the communication clearly includes intent and offer.
Arriving = committed solicitation. Misleading Needs communication showing intent beforehand.
Solicitation is now a felony in NC. Not Usually Misdemeanor unless minors or other felonious activity involved.
Offer alone is enough. True Offer + intent is enough, action not always needed.
Cops show up at your home. True Very common in sting operations.
[QUOTE=BlkScorpio1;7305370]What's Accurate About That Statement:
"Which is now a felony in NC".
False for most cases.
First-time solicitation is a Class 1 Misdemeanor in NC.
It becomes a felony if there are aggravating factors, such as:
Involvement of a minor (Class E or Class C Felony depending on age).
Promoting, pimping, or human trafficking.
Repeat offenses or organized activity.
Solicitation is now a felony in NC. Not Usually Misdemeanor unless minors or other felonious activity involved.
[/QUOTE]And now you know why lawyers use statutes and case law in their representation of clients. Not ChatGPT.
It pulled the information relating to the old law (misdemeanor), not the new law, which was passed from HB971, and took effect on 12/1/24, making ALL solicitation a Felony in NC. Other than that one point which AI got 100% wrong, it got the rest mostly right, except it tried to stand on word salad semantics with some of the other points (like no shit you have to communicate with the provider / decoy). I would not recommend trying to use ChatGPT to defend yourself, LOL.
[QUOTE=BlkScorpio1;7305370]I asked Chatgpt. This is what I got
"Solicitation in NC doesn't work like most jurisdictions".
Mostly true. NC does have stricter enforcement in some areas, especially when it comes to what counts as solicitation. You don't need to exchange money or even fully act on the offer the agreement itself can be enough.
"All that's required is that they confirm you've seen an ad, you communicate with them and agree to go to their location".
Partially true. If you agree to meet at a known or prearranged location for a sex act and it's clearly understood as such that could be used as evidence of intent and solicitation.
However, just seeing an ad and going somewhere isn't enough by itself. There must be clear agreement about sex for money.
The communication needs to suggest a commercial sex transaction.
"When you arrive at the place of prostitution, you've committed solicitation".
Mostly inaccurate. Simply arriving at a location isn't enough unless there was:
Clear agreement about a sex act for payment beforehand.
NC law still requires intent plus an act in furtherance arriving might be that "act," but only if prior communication proves intent.
"Which is now a felony in NC".
False for most cases.
First-time solicitation is a Class 1 Misdemeanor in NC.
It becomes a felony if there are aggravating factors, such as:
Involvement of a minor (Class E or Class C Felony depending on age).
Promoting, pimping, or human trafficking.
Repeat offenses or organized activity.[/QUOTE]It's one thing to skimp on a lawyer and use chatgpt, it's another to actually contradict a lawyer based on a chatgpt, which is both insulting and ignorant. Especially when it appears you're not using a model that searches the web in realtime when we are talking about a recently passed law!
Here is the chatgpt answer using their search function for you, if AI lawyer is what you want to trust:
"is first time solicitation now a felony in nc".
Yes, as of December 1, 2024, solicitation of prostitution is classified as a felony in North Carolina even for a first-time offense. This change was enacted through legislation signed into law by Governor Roy Cooper in June 2024, making North Carolina the second state in the USA To impose felony-level penalties for first-time solicitation offenses.
[URL]https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article289914144.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_14/Article_27.pdf[/URL] (14‑205.1, page 3).
[QUOTE=MmceStep;7306441]And now you know why lawyers use statutes and case law in their representation of clients. Not ChatGPT.
It pulled the information relating to the old law (misdemeanor), not the new law, which was passed from HB971, and took effect on 12/1/24, making ALL solicitation a Felony in NC. Other than that one point which AI got 100% wrong, it got the rest mostly right, except it tried to stand on word salad semantics with some of the other points (like no shit you have to communicate with the provider / decoy). I would not recommend trying to use ChatGPT to defend yourself, LOL.[/QUOTE]I was just curious about the state of this. Obviously there are solicitation arrests being made. Is it primarily through escort decoy ads or has there been an increase in sting operations etc. ?
[QUOTE=YourCCPimp;7306820]I was just curious about the state of this. Obviously there are solicitation arrests being made. Is it primarily through escort decoy ads or has there been an increase in sting operations etc. ?[/QUOTE]I haven't seen many solicitation arrests unless they are buried beneath other charges.
[QUOTE=YourCCPimp;7306820]I was just curious about the state of this. Obviously there are solicitation arrests being made. Is it primarily through escort decoy ads or has there been an increase in sting operations etc. ?[/QUOTE]I've seen individual felony solicitation arrests in Wake, and Meck. I've not searched smaller counties and some of the other larger counties are getting away from putting mugshots online, because quite often charges get dropped, errors are made and there's been lawsuits and harassment of people that ended up not being charged. So, I can't tell you much about the circumstances of the arrest. Maybe the motel / notell dropped a dime, maybe there was an altercation that brought the police there etc. Hopefully we learn more about this as time goes on. Regarding stings, those almost never appear on the mugshot portals. Intentionally. LEO runs these stings for a few days at a time usually, and they don't want to burn the operation by having the first arrests be on the internet. They usually make contact with the individual, holding them for questioning, then let them go for a bit of time before charges are filed. In NC they like to pick you up at work for some reason, so presumably they've gleaned all the necessary info on how to find you from that interrogation. The key issue is that these delayed arrests usually end up in your mugshot not being published. They usually release a Press Release with your photo once everyone's been charged. The same thing just happened with the Durham cop who was just arrested for solicitation. They did an investigation that lasted weeks, and this allowed him to skip the mugshot reporting services. They did him a huge favor by not releasing his photo with the arrest press release. But hey, who knows what will happen with the first documented stings now that this is a felony.
[QUOTE=ElectricHug;7306487]It's one thing to skimp on a lawyer and use chatgpt, it's another to actually contradict a lawyer based on a chatgpt, which is both insulting and ignorant. Especially when it appears you're not using a model that searches the web in realtime when we are talking about a recently passed law!
Here is the chatgpt answer using their search function for you, if AI lawyer is what you want to trust:
"is first time solicitation now a felony in nc".
Yes, as of December 1, 2024, solicitation of prostitution is classified as a felony in North Carolina even for a first-time offense. This change was enacted through legislation signed into law by Governor Roy Cooper in June 2024, making North Carolina the second state in the USA To impose felony-level penalties for first-time solicitation offenses.
[URL]https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article289914144.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_14/Article_27.pdf[/URL] (14‑205.1, page 3).[/QUOTE]Just to be clear, I was not offended in any way by his post. We're brothers on here and I was just joking with him. I just wanted to make sure future readers understood that the risk calculus has changed.
[QUOTE=MmceStep;7306441]And now you know why lawyers use statutes and case law in their representation of clients. Not ChatGPT.
It pulled the information relating to the old law (misdemeanor), not the new law, which was passed from HB971, and took effect on 12/1/24, making ALL solicitation a Felony in NC. Other than that one point which AI got 100% wrong, it got the rest mostly right, except it tried to stand on word salad semantics with some of the other points (like no shit you have to communicate with the provider / decoy). I would not recommend trying to use ChatGPT to defend yourself, LOL.[/QUOTE]I understand your comment. As long as you interact properly with Chatgpt, it is a very good resource to understanding many things. Speaking to it like a human and not a computer is key. I use it in my daily life and professional life with great success. I didn't post the full conversation. I am adding it now so that you can view the questions that I asked.
ME: what evidence do police need to charge you with solicitation.
ChatGPT said:
Hey BLK — good question. When it comes to solicitation (usually meaning trying to get someone to engage in prostitution), police don't need a completed act to charge you. Here's what they typically need:
🔍 Key Evidence Police Use to Charge Solicitation.
Offer or Agreement for Sexual Activity.
The core of solicitation is offering, requesting, or agreeing to pay (or be paid) for sex.
The offer can be verbal, written, or even implied.
Money doesn't need to be exchanged, just the agreement is often enough.
Clear Intent.
Prosecutors need to prove you had intent to engage in prostitution, not just casual conversation or flirting.
Asking how much for a sexual act, negotiating a price, or agreeing on a service shows intent.
Action in Furtherance (sometimes).
In many states, just talking is enough. Others require you to take a step toward it, like driving to a hotel or bringing money.
Surveillance / Undercover Stings.
Undercover police officers pose as prostitutes or buyers ("johns".
The whole interaction is recorded (audio, video, or body cam).
Sometimes officers wear a wire, and the conversation is used in court.
Text Messages / Online Chats.
If solicitation happens online (like through social media, escort sites, or classified ads), police can use screenshots, chat logs, or emails as evidence.
Witness Testimony.
A statement from an undercover officer or third party (like hotel staff or security) can be used.
Money or Items Exchanged.
Carrying cash in small denominations or having condoms or motel keys can add to the circumstantial evidence.
Some people get charged even if no money was handed over, as long as there was a clear agreement.
🚨 Important: Entrapment Isn't Always a Defense.
Many people think, "The cop tricked me!" But entrapment only applies if:
You had no predisposition to commit the crime.
The police pressured or coerced you beyond simply presenting an opportunity.
🔎 Real Example:
You pull up to a known red-light area. An undercover officer says, "Want a good time for $100?" You respond, "Yeah, let's go. ".
Even if no sex or money happens, that can be enough for a charge.
If you're facing something specific or want to role-play a scenario to see if it could be considered solicitation, I got you. Just let me know.
You said:
ME: I'm sorry police in NC.
ChatGPT said:
You're good, BLK — and since you're asking about North Carolina, here's exactly how it works there.
🔎 North Carolina Law on Solicitation of Prostitution.
In NC, solicitation is usually charged under:
And. C. General Statutes § 14-204 – Prostitution and assignation.
This law makes it illegal to:
Solicit prostitution (asking someone to perform a sex act for money), OR.
Offer to pay or accept money for sex.
🚓 What Evidence Do NC Police Need?
To charge you with solicitation in North Carolina, police typically rely on:
✅ 1. A Clear Offer or Request.
You must ask, offer, or agree to a sex act in exchange for money or something of value.
Saying "How much for sex?" or "I'll give you $100 for a BJ" can be enough.
No actual sex or money needs to happen — just words or agreement.
✅ 2. Intent.
Prosecutors must show you intended to engage in prostitution or hire someone for it.
Words + actions matter (e. G. , pulling up to a known spot, negotiating a price, carrying cash / condoms, etc.).
✅ 3. Step Toward the Act (Not Always Required).
NC law doesn't always need you to take further action (like driving to a motel), but it strengthens the case.
✅ 4. Undercover Operations.
NC police often run sting operations, especially in areas like:
Fayetteville, Durham, Charlotte, Greensboro, and Wilmington.
Craigslist, adult websites, and social media are common setups.
These ops often involve:
Hidden cameras or body-worn mics.
Chat logs or call recordings.
Undercover officers acting as sex workers or clients.
✅ 5. Circumstantial Evidence.
Not required, but helpful:
Condoms, cash, text messages.
Hotel receipts or surveillance footage.
Screenshots of online chats.
⚠65039; NC Is Harsh on Repeat Offenders.
First-time charge = Misdemeanor.
Repeat or related charges (like promoting or aiding prostitution) = Can become a Felony.
🛑 Entrapment in NC.
You can't claim entrapment just because an officer approached you.
It only applies if you were pressured or coerced into doing something you wouldn't normally do.
Just being "offered" the chance isn't entrapment under NC law.
Let me know if you want help understanding a specific situation, like what was said, who said it, or if something might count as probable cause. I'm here for you, no judgment.
Me:
How accurate is the following: I am an attorney, and you are missing my point. Solicitation in NC doesn't work like most jurisdictions in the US. All that's required is that they confirm you've seen an ad, you communicate with them and agree to go to their location. Then, when you arrive at 'the place of prostitution' you have committed Solicitation, which is now a felony in NC. If you've made or accepted an offer, you don't even need to go to their location. They can and do come to your home to collect you.
ChatGPT said:
Alright BLK, let's break that down carefully and see how accurate it is based on North Carolina law and how it's actually enforced.
✅ What's Accurate About That Statement:
"Solicitation in NC doesn't work like most jurisdictions".
✅ Mostly true. NC does have stricter enforcement in some areas, especially when it comes to what counts as solicitation. You don't need to exchange money or even fully act on the offer — the agreement itself can be enough.
"All that's required is that they confirm you've seen an ad, you communicate with them and agree to go to their location".
✅ Partially true. If you agree to meet at a known or prearranged location for a sex act — and it's clearly understood as such — that could be used as evidence of intent and solicitation.
However, just seeing an ad and going somewhere isn't enough by itself. There must be clear agreement about sex for money.
The communication needs to suggest a commercial sex transaction.
"When you arrive at the place of prostitution, you've committed solicitation".
⚠65039; Mostly inaccurate. Simply arriving at a location isn't enough unless there was:
Clear agreement about a sex act for payment beforehand.
NC law still requires intent plus an act in furtherance — arriving might be that "act," but only if prior communication proves intent.
"Which is now a felony in NC".
❌ False for most cases.
First-time solicitation is a Class 1 Misdemeanor in NC.
It becomes a felony if there are aggravating factors, such as:
Involvement of a minor (Class E or Class C Felony depending on age).
Promoting, pimping, or human trafficking.
Repeat offenses or organized activity.
"If you've made or accepted an offer, you don't even need to go to their location".
✅ Correct — if the offer and acceptance are clearly documented (e. G. Via text / chat / call), that can be enough to charge someone.
"They can and do come to your home to collect you".
✅ That happens — especially in online sting cases. Officers pretending to be escorts or clients will arrange meetups and come to your home or invite you to a hotel, then arrest you upon arrival.
🔍 Summary of Truth:
Statement Accuracy Notes.
NC law is different from others ✅ Mostly True Slightly broader definition, especially with online stings.
Seeing ad + agreeing + going = solicitation ⚠65039; Partially True Only if the communication clearly includes intent and offer.
Arriving = committed solicitation ❌ Misleading Needs communication showing intent beforehand.
Solicitation is now a felony in NC ❌ Not Usually Misdemeanor unless minors or other felonious activity involved.
Offer alone is enough ✅ True Offer + intent is enough, action not always needed.
Cops show up at your home ✅ True Very common in sting operations.
If someone claiming to be an attorney said that word-for-word, they might be oversimplifying or exaggerating for effect, possibly out of frustration or to emphasize how easy it is to get charged — but it's not legally precise in a couple key areas.
Want me to pull the exact statute or show how recent NC cases have interpreted it? I can do that too.
Me:
Is this based on the recent nc law change.
ChatGPT said:
Hey BLK, yes, the statement you mentioned aligns with recent changes in North Carolina law. As of December 1, 2024, North Carolina enacted legislation that reclassifies the offense of soliciting prostitution as a felony.
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📜 Overview of the Law Change.
Under the updated statute (§14-205.1):
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First-time solicitation: Now classified as a Class I felony.
Second or subsequent offenses: Elevated to a Class H felony.
Soliciting a minor: Considered a Class G felony.
Soliciting someone with a severe or profound mental disability: Classified as a Class E felony.
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Previously, solicitation was treated as a misdemeanor, but this change reflects a significant shift in how such offenses are penalized in the state.
Implications of the New Law.
With this change, law enforcement has broader authority to charge individuals based on:
Viewing an advertisement: Engaging with content that offers sexual services.
Communication: Initiating or responding to messages that discuss terms of a sexual transaction.
Agreement to meet: Setting up a meeting at a specific location for the purpose of engaging in prostitution.
Importantly, even if no sexual act occurs, the mere act of agreeing to meet can constitute solicitation under the new law. Additionally, law enforcement may conduct sting operations where they pose as sex workers and arrange meetings, leading to arrests upon arrival.
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⚖65039; Legal Considerations.
Given the felony classification, individuals charged with solicitation face more severe consequences, including potential imprisonment and a permanent criminal record. It's crucial to be aware of these changes and understand that actions which might have previously resulted in lesser charges now carry more significant legal risks.
The original post that I replied to is only partially accurate. We all know and understand the law change, however, many are claiming either false or inaccurate information as to how the police may set you up and the evidence need to arrest you. Can they arrest you for showing up, yes if they have established all that you have committed a criminal act and can prove it.
I understand that he claims to be a lawyer and he may be. I am not saying that he is or isn't. Keep in mind that being a lawyer doesn't make you right. Being a lawyer doesn't mean that you are a good one or that you are a criminal defense lawyer that has handled this type of case.
Not being rude just want to get information out there.
Stay Safe.
BLK.
[QUOTE=BlkScorpio1;7308699]I understand your comment. As long as you interact properly with Chatgpt, it is a very good resource to understanding many things. Speaking to it like a human and not a computer is key. I use it in my daily life and professional life with great success. I didn't post the full conversation. I am adding it now so that you can view the questions that I asked.
ME: what evidence do police need to charge you with solicitation.
ChatGPT said:
Hey BLK good question. When it comes to solicitation (usually meaning trying to get someone to engage in prostitution), police don't need a completed act to charge you. Here's what they typically need:
🔍 Key Evidence Police Use to Charge Solicitation.
Offer or Agreement for Sexual Activity.
The core of solicitation is offering, requesting, or agreeing to pay (or be paid) for sex.
The offer can be verbal, written, or even implied.
Money doesn't need to be exchanged, just the agreement is often enough.
Clear Intent.
Prosecutors need to prove you had intent to engage in prostitution, not just casual conversation or flirting.
Asking how much for a sexual act, negotiating a price, or agreeing on a service shows intent.
Action in Furtherance (sometimes).
In many states, just talking is enough. Others require you to take a step toward it, like driving to a hotel or bringing money.
Surveillance / Undercover Stings.
Undercover police officers pose as prostitutes or buyers ("johns".
The whole interaction is recorded (audio, video, or body cam).
Sometimes officers wear a wire, and the conversation is used in court.
Text Messages / Online Chats.
If solicitation happens online (like through social media, escort sites, or classified ads), police can use screenshots, chat logs, or emails as evidence.
Witness Testimony.
A statement from an undercover officer or third party (like hotel staff or security) can be used.
Money or Items Exchanged.
Carrying cash in small denominations or having condoms or motel keys can add to the circumstantial evidence.
Some people get charged even if no money was handed over, as long as there was a clear agreement.
🚨 Important: Entrapment Isn't Always a Defense.
Many people think, "The cop tricked me!" But entrapment only applies if:
You had no predisposition to commit the crime.
The police pressured or coerced you beyond simply presenting an opportunity.
🔎 Real Example:
You pull up to a known red-light area. An undercover officer says, "Want a good time for $100?" You respond, "Yeah, let's go. ".
Even if no sex or money happens, that can be enough for a charge.
If you're facing something specific or want to role-play a scenario to see if it could be considered solicitation, I got you. Just let me know.
You said:
ME: I'm sorry police in NC.
ChatGPT said:
You're good, BLK and since you're asking about North Carolina, here's exactly how it works there.
🔎 North Carolina Law on Solicitation of Prostitution.
In NC, solicitation is usually charged under:
And. C. General Statutes 14-204 Prostitution and assignation.
This law makes it illegal to:
Solicit prostitution (asking someone to perform a sex act for money), OR.
Offer to pay or accept money for sex.
🚓 What Evidence Do NC Police Need?
To charge you with solicitation in North Carolina, police typically rely on:
✅ 1. A Clear Offer or Request.
You must ask, offer, or agree to a sex act in exchange for money or something of value.
Saying "How much for sex?" or "I'll give you $100 for a BJ" can be enough.
No actual sex or money needs to happen just words or agreement.
✅ 2. Intent.
Prosecutors must show you intended to engage in prostitution or hire someone for it.
Words + actions matter (e. G. , pulling up to a known spot, negotiating a price, carrying cash / condoms, etc.).
✅ 3. Step Toward the Act (Not Always Required).
NC law doesn't always need you to take further action (like driving to a motel), but it strengthens the case.
✅ 4. Undercover Operations.
NC police often run sting operations, especially in areas like:
Fayetteville, Durham, Charlotte, Greensboro, and Wilmington.
Craigslist, adult websites, and social media are common setups.
These ops often involve:
Hidden cameras or body-worn mics.
Chat logs or call recordings.
Undercover officers acting as sex workers or clients.
✅ 5. Circumstantial Evidence.
Not required, but helpful:
Condoms, cash, text messages.
Hotel receipts or surveillance footage.
Screenshots of online chats.
⚠65039; NC Is Harsh on Repeat Offenders.
First-time charge = Misdemeanor.
Repeat or related charges (like promoting or aiding prostitution) = Can become a Felony.
🛑 Entrapment in NC.
You can't claim entrapment just because an officer approached you.
It only applies if you were pressured or coerced into doing something you wouldn't normally do.
Just being "offered" the chance isn't entrapment under NC law.
Let me know if you want help understanding a specific situation, like what was said, who said it, or if something might count as probable cause. I'm here for you, no judgment.
Me:
How accurate is the following: I am an attorney, and you are missing my point. Solicitation in NC doesn't work like most jurisdictions in the US. All that's required is that they confirm you've seen an ad, you communicate with them and agree to go to their location. Then, when you arrive at 'the place of prostitution' you have committed Solicitation, which is now a felony in NC. If you've made or accepted an offer, you don't even need to go to their location. They can and do come to your home to collect you.
ChatGPT said:
Alright BLK, let's break that down carefully and see how accurate it is based on North Carolina law and how it's actually enforced.
✅ What's Accurate About That Statement:
"Solicitation in NC doesn't work like most jurisdictions".
✅ Mostly true. NC does have stricter enforcement in some areas, especially when it comes to what counts as solicitation. You don't need to exchange money or even fully act on the offer the agreement itself can be enough.
"All that's required is that they confirm you've seen an ad, you communicate with them and agree to go to their location".
✅ Partially true. If you agree to meet at a known or prearranged location for a sex act and it's clearly understood as such that could be used as evidence of intent and solicitation.
However, just seeing an ad and going somewhere isn't enough by itself. There must be clear agreement about sex for money.
The communication needs to suggest a commercial sex transaction.
"When you arrive at the place of prostitution, you've committed solicitation".
⚠65039; Mostly inaccurate. Simply arriving at a location isn't enough unless there was:
Clear agreement about a sex act for payment beforehand.
NC law still requires intent plus an act in furtherance arriving might be that "act," but only if prior communication proves intent.
"Which is now a felony in NC".
❌ False for most cases.
First-time solicitation is a Class 1 Misdemeanor in NC.
It becomes a felony if there are aggravating factors, such as:
Involvement of a minor (Class E or Class C Felony depending on age).
Promoting, pimping, or human trafficking.
Repeat offenses or organized activity.
"If you've made or accepted an offer, you don't even need to go to their location".
✅ Correct if the offer and acceptance are clearly documented (e. G. Via text / chat / call), that can be enough to charge someone.
"They can and do come to your home to collect you".
✅ That happens especially in online sting cases. Officers pretending to be escorts or clients will arrange meetups and come to your home or invite you to a hotel, then arrest you upon arrival.
🔍 Summary of Truth:
Statement Accuracy Notes.
NC law is different from others ✅ Mostly True Slightly broader definition, especially with online stings.
Seeing ad + agreeing + going = solicitation ⚠65039; Partially True Only if the communication clearly includes intent and offer.
Arriving = committed solicitation ❌ Misleading Needs communication showing intent beforehand.
Solicitation is now a felony in NC ❌ Not Usually Misdemeanor unless minors or other felonious activity involved.
Offer alone is enough ✅ True Offer + intent is enough, action not always needed.
Cops show up at your home ✅ True Very common in sting operations.
If someone claiming to be an attorney said that word-for-word, they might be oversimplifying or exaggerating for effect, possibly out of frustration or to emphasize how easy it is to get charged but it's not legally precise in a couple key areas.
Want me to pull the exact statute or show how recent NC cases have interpreted it? I can do that too.
Me:
Is this based on the recent nc law change.
ChatGPT said:
Hey BLK, yes, the statement you mentioned aligns with recent changes in North Carolina law. As of December 1, 2024, North Carolina enacted legislation that reclassifies the offense of soliciting prostitution as a felony.
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📜 Overview of the Law Change.
Under the updated statute (14-205.1):
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First-time solicitation: Now classified as a Class I felony.
Second or subsequent offenses: Elevated to a Class H felony.
Soliciting a minor: Considered a Class G felony.
Soliciting someone with a severe or profound mental disability: Classified as a Class E felony.
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Previously, solicitation was treated as a misdemeanor, but this change reflects a significant shift in how such offenses are penalized in the state.
Implications of the New Law.
With this change, law enforcement has broader authority to charge individuals based on:
Viewing an advertisement: Engaging with content that offers sexual services.
Communication: Initiating or responding to messages that discuss terms of a sexual transaction.
Agreement to meet: Setting up a meeting at a specific location for the purpose of engaging in prostitution.
Importantly, even if no sexual act occurs, the mere act of agreeing to meet can constitute solicitation under the new law. Additionally, law enforcement may conduct sting operations where they pose as sex workers and arrange meetings, leading to arrests upon arrival.
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⚖65039; Legal Considerations.
Given the felony classification, individuals charged with solicitation face more severe consequences, including potential imprisonment and a permanent criminal record. It's crucial to be aware of these changes and understand that actions which might have previously resulted in lesser charges now carry more significant legal risks.
The original post that I replied to is only partially accurate. We all know and understand the law change, however, many are claiming either false or inaccurate information as to how the police may set you up and the evidence need to arrest you. Can they arrest you for showing up, yes if they have established all that you have committed a criminal act and can prove it.
I understand that he claims to be a lawyer and he may be. I am not saying that he is or isn't. Keep in mind that being a lawyer doesn't make you right. Being a lawyer doesn't mean that you are a good one or that you are a criminal defense lawyer that has handled this type of case.
Not being rude just want to get information out there.
Stay Safe.
BLK.[/QUOTE]OK man, with that I am out. Jesus H Christ. I'm not going to argue with a bot. What I typed was 100% correct. Both legally and in actual charging practice in the State of NC. It's stupidly simple here now, and that's the problem. Very low bar for meeting the charging standard and now very high penalty. That's a terrible combination.
What you initially replied with was perhaps 70% correct. Now you're adding on with more ChatGPT word salad, to do what, try to throw enough BS at the wall so that some of it has to be right? Some of that is correct in Virginia, some in South Carolina, some in Tennessee and yes, some in North Carolina now, some in North Carolina pre-2024 and some in North Carolina pre-2018. Really useful! Your initial reply never even mentioned the new law. Why not skip ChatGPT and just post the law? OK, I'm out. I just remembered an old professor who said "Never dole legal advice out for free, for that becomes its value. ".
For the record, I am long retired from fantasizing about the Hobby and have no plans to do so in NC. I am hoping Danville might become a future alternative with the new casino (but currently totally dry).
I also use ChatGPT for business, it reviews and sometimes writes my advertisements. But when doing research on any subject, I have received completely different answers based on how I asked the question. For example: if you ask ChatGPT a political question and specify "from a liberal viewpoint", you will most likely get a very different answer than if you ask the same question and specify "from a conservative viewpoint". So I copy / pasted MmceStep's original post that started recent discussions and asked "Is this correct when said in reference only to the new law in NC passed Dec 2024?" ALL the previous Chat answers changed from partially correct or somewhat correct to "Correct!" It confirmed everything! Try it.
And more recently after seeing very little proof that NC is proactively enforcing the new law, I started thinking maybe it's safe to come out of retirement and test the NC waters. But after some reflection, I asked ChatGPT a different question: "How long does it typically take for a state to fully implement a new criminal law and ramp up efforts to enforce it?" Try it. The answer convinced me to stay 100% retired in NC and find a new hobby! VR is getting better and hopefully I can enjoy some sightseeing in Virginia or South Carolina in the future.
[QUOTE=MrNCbob;7308960]For the record, I am long retired from fantasizing about the Hobby and have no plans to do so in NC. I am hoping Danville might become a future alternative with the new casino (but currently totally dry).
I also use ChatGPT for business, it reviews and sometimes writes my advertisements. But when doing research on any subject, I have received completely different answers based on how I asked the question. For example: if you ask ChatGPT a political question and specify "from a liberal viewpoint", you will most likely get a very different answer than if you ask the same question and specify "from a conservative viewpoint". So I copy / pasted MmceStep's original post that started recent discussions and asked "Is this correct when said in reference only to the new law in NC passed Dec 2024?" ALL the previous Chat answers changed from partially correct or somewhat correct to "Correct!" It confirmed everything! Try it.
And more recently after seeing very little proof that NC is proactively enforcing the new law, I started thinking maybe it's safe to come out of retirement and test the NC waters. But after some reflection, I asked ChatGPT a different question: "How long does it typically take for a state to fully implement a new criminal law and ramp up efforts to enforce it?" Try it. The answer convinced me to stay 100% retired in NC and find a new hobby! VR is getting better and hopefully I can enjoy some sightseeing in Virginia or South Carolina in the future.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I would probably refer to an actual attorney for law advice rather than AI. MmceStep seems to be rather knowledgeable with this, and I think the overall sentiment is that it's best to be as safe as possible. If you know of an UTR girl who doesn't advertise and is solely word of mouth, that's probably the best option to take. A lot of mongers here will continue as "business as usual" until word gets out that solicitors are actually getting charged in line with what the new law has stated.
That said, let me know if there is some play that starts happening in Danville or Martinsville. I don't mind making a trip up there. Heck, it's probably safer for me to do that anyway.
[QUOTE=GMan7547;7311221]Yeah, I would probably refer to an actual attorney for law advice rather than AI. MmceStep seems to be rather knowledgeable with this, and I think the overall sentiment is that it's best to be as safe as possible. If you know of an UTR girl who doesn't advertise and is solely word of mouth, that's probably the best option to take. A lot of mongers here will continue as "business as usual" until word gets out that solicitors are actually getting charged in line with what the new law has stated.
That said, let me know if there is some play that starts happening in Danville or Martinsville. I don't mind making a trip up there. Heck, it's probably safer for me to do that anyway.[/QUOTE]I am definitely overly paranoid but one of the scariest aspects of this new law is the statute of limitations: there is none. I remember high school about once every year, teachers would lock down the classroom and we knew something was going on. Later we found out several classmates and sometimes friends were scooped up in a drug investigation for something they did 3-4 months ago. I think I could play it safe enough in the hobby to avoid an on-site sting, but wouldn't want to get swept up when a provider gets in legal trouble and starts offering past client info to get out of jail free (and apparently get paid to do it). It's still unclear how they will enforce the new law, and still very unclear how little evidence is needed to allow them to turn your life upside down and search everything you own. I imagine LE can figure out who owns a burner number and security footage in a hotel probably does not get "erased" after two weeks anymore. I guess we will know a lot more in about 6-8 months.
[QUOTE=MrNCbob;7312057]I am definitely overly paranoid but one of the scariest aspects of this new law is the statute of limitations: there is none. I remember high school about once every year, teachers would lock down the classroom and we knew something was going on. Later we found out several classmates and sometimes friends were scooped up in a drug investigation for something they did 3-4 months ago. I think I could play it safe enough in the hobby to avoid an on-site sting, but wouldn't want to get swept up when a provider gets in legal trouble and starts offering past client info to get out of jail free (and apparently get paid to do it). It's still unclear how they will enforce the new law, and still very unclear how little evidence is needed to allow them to turn your life upside down and search everything you own. I imagine LE can figure out who owns a burner number and security footage in a hotel probably does not get "erased" after two weeks anymore. I guess we will know a lot more in about 6-8 months.[/QUOTE]I've got several reasons why I am not very active in this hobby. For one, I don't have that kind of disposable income, LOL, I've got a lot to lose, I'm very particular with who I meet, and I'm overly cautious on a lot of these ads. The absolute worst thing that could ever happen to me would be to get sent to Uncle LEO's farm and lose my job, family, pretty much everything. Damn my wondering eye, LOL!
As far as these ladies go, I have no idea how LE would work with them to get them to cough up past clients. My assumption is, LE can do whatever they deem necessary if they feel it's worth the investigation. I am not sure how the burner numbers would lead them to much though. Eventually, a lot of people will wise up and start using the encrypted messaging (I'm actually surprised providers don't do this more often) that deletes all signs of communication. From a tech / cybersecurity POV, however, there are definitely ways to extract information. Nothing is 100% unhackable. But it's a question of how much is worth the effort? This isn't a national security issue. It's a bunch of horny dudes trying to get laid, LOL! The bigger issue LE wants to address is the human trafficking. The issue is. We don't necessarily know what they deem has HT. I look at it as women being shipped in from other areas beyond their will and forced into sex acts. But, they may deem it anything connected to prostitution. They may have a broader definition, which makes it more riskier for the mongers.
I'd probably say at the very least, stay away from the Asian and Colombian "agencies". Stick to providers who offer massages or body rubs. That's a legal service at least.
A quick check of STG reveals there is nothing to choose from.
[QUOTE=Rider39;7315205]A quick check of STG reveals there is nothing to choose from.[/QUOTE]I look at STG as one of those stores like what Value City used to be. You go in there and search long enough, you're going to find a great deal on something that would be expensive elsewhere. But, you go through a lot of searching to find what you want. In other areas of the country, STG is not considered to be the best site to find providers. Here, you're going to find more legit providers than the other sites.
I like playing on the scam sites because it's nice to think that hot, young provider is going to be legit. She has the body and face, but once you get to the point of donation, it's always a deposit (even for incall) if not deposit, it's gift card. That tells you right there it's a scam. And then I'm usually followed up with the fake "Cartel" texts after that. So, I would say it's not like Burger Kind, where you can have it your way LOL! It takes some searching, which is why it's good to ask more "seasoned" mongers here.
[QUOTE=GMan7547;7315789]I look at STG as one of those stores like what Value City used to be. You go in there and search long enough, you're going to find a great deal on something that would be expensive elsewhere. But, you go through a lot of searching to find what you want. In other areas of the country, STG is not considered to be the best site to find providers. Here, you're going to find more legit providers than the other sites.
I like playing on the scam sites because it's nice to think that hot, young provider is going to be legit. She has the body and face, but once you get to the point of donation, it's always a deposit (even for incall) if not deposit, it's gift card. That tells you right there it's a scam. And then I'm usually followed up with the fake "Cartel" texts after that. So, I would say it's not like Burger Kind, where you can have it your way LOL! It takes some searching, which is why it's good to ask more "seasoned" mongers here.[/QUOTE]I agree with all that.
Except most senior members ain't overly keen to help out us newbie too much. And I get that. I do.
But I'm cool. Took forever to get my membership here, and most all the info I have about providers, well, it's been so long I can't remember most of thems names, much less find a current ad of theirs. So I don't bring anything valuable that the team can use. So any help I get from any seniors is greatly appreciated, especially with the current state of affairs the way they are.
[QUOTE=Rider39;7316129]I agree with all that.
Except most senior members ain't overly keen to help out us newbie too much. And I get that. I do.
But I'm cool. Took forever to get my membership here, and most all the info I have about providers, well, it's been so long I can't remember most of thems names, much less find a current ad of theirs. So I don't bring anything valuable that the team can use. So any help I get from any seniors is greatly appreciated, especially with the current state of affairs the way they are.[/QUOTE]Just search the forums when you find a girl you might be interested in. Chances are, a senior has probably visited her and has submitted a report. If not, sometimes you just have to TOFTT, but that can get a little scary when you're going out to uncharted territory. Basically I looked at a few reviews of ladies, and took the plunge. I have TOFTT in the past as well and posted reports. That's how you get to senior level. Now, mind you, I am nowhere near as active as some of these dudes on here. I tend to be pretty picky (and a lot of times, I just don't have a way of getting the money for this hobby without the better half finding out), so when I take the plunge, I have to know it's going to be with a fun girl. I'm not into body count. Just good quality providers that I would feel comfortable seeing again in the future.
Also, I'll message a lot of different gals and I do have a monger friend that will give me the 411 on providers I've inquired about. A lot of times before someone here posts stuff. So, it's good to get connections. If you need anything, hit me up in DM.
[QUOTE=NotMattLauer;7357414]Not to forget sometimes some of these providers or ads sometimes are fake and then spam your number with threats or tell you the pimp is mad or some nonsense and starts harassing your number and calling and text non stop. Usually happens with the Latina providers. When that happens to me I just get a new google number it TextFree LOL lately I see the ones where they call you pretending to be Hickory PD and idk who's falling for that but they get annoying. So unlike dreams where you want to raw dog it, always use protection when contacting these listing by using an app or burner phone LOL.[/QUOTE]I always use a TXT App number when making the initial contact. There are some sophisticated providers that have the ability to reverse search your phone numbers and it is highly recommended you avoid them. They are usually connected to a bigger circle that can get nasty at times. The average provider who is running out of money for condoms will not bother with reverse checking your number. After I have seen them a few times, if I can trust them to a certain extent I give out my real number. In the past 20 years, I may have given out my number to half a dozen providers! It is that rare. I keep the TXT App number as long as I can and when I start receiving junk information or it gets hot, I switch the number. It is better to be safe than sorry with providers no matter what class they are!
[QUOTE=MrSmithwick;7357196]Google your phone number and see if you are satisfied with results and if you are ok with "others" being able to do the same.[/QUOTE]In addition to the concerns about the new law, potential blackmail, getting caught by significant other, getting your personal number listed in the new NC John database (Which is I'm sure why there are some STG ads that don't seem to go anywhere), there's also a review site used by providers to provide feedback on mongers. In the very old days I had walked out of an incall because the provider was 200 lbs heavier than the pics. She lost her shit for 'body shaming her' and threatened to 'destroy me' and since I was a dummy using my real number, she listed it with comments that I was a violent threat (eventually a nice provider that I knew looked me up and read the comments to me). I had been wondering why I couldn't get any high end providers to return my requests for meets after an initially good convo. I ditched that old number. FAST.
[QUOTE=TransAmGuy;7356364]Nope, I have one number only, use it for everything. It's my primary T-Mobile number I have had for decades.[/QUOTE]I have always used my number and I have had the same one for about 25 years. I am single now but even when I wasn't, I used my same number. Burner phones aren't really all that safe unless you always pay cash and change it every few weeks or so. They actually are less secure than a phone registered to you. I've never had any threats or fake cops calling. Maybe some spam calls but who hasn't? Can't even say it was a result of using my number.
Guys that go through things like scams and blackmail is because they present themselves as a "mark". Think about it, everybody has something to loose, regardless of their situation. Everyone isn't an easy target and everyone is worth being a target.
Stay safe.
BLK.
I change my number every 15 to 30 days on burner app. Been doing that for a long time. It costs nothing. I used burner prepaids prior and changed number often and used with erroneous info. Some of us have more to lose than others and we do everything to ensure we can stay as safe as possible. Nothing is full proof. The biggest thing I try to insulate myself from is blackmail, people coming to my home to rob me or some provider gets off'ed and 5-0 comes to question me because I was a contact in her phone. Otherwise, I realize there are variables in the hobby and risks that we take. What works for me, may not be such a big deal for the next guy. While I have had numerous providers at my home over the years. Only one and her cronies came to rob me. Alarm company had 5-0 out rather quickly and apprehended them. Here's the kicker. She admitted to being a provider and that I was one of her clients and she was coming to get money owed. And this is why we take precautions because these girls are unpredictable.
[QUOTE=BlkScorpio1;7357740]I have always used my number and I have had the same one for about 25 years. I am single now but even when I wasn't, I used my same number. Burner phones aren't really all that safe unless you always pay cash and change it every few weeks or so. They actually are less secure than a phone registered to you. I've never had any threats or fake cops calling. Maybe some spam calls but who hasn't? Can't even say it was a result of using my number.
Guys that go through things like scams and blackmail is because they present themselves as a "mark". Think about it, everybody has something to loose, regardless of their situation. Everyone isn't an easy target and everyone is worth being a target..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlkScorpio1;7357740]Guys that go through things like scams and blackmail is because they present themselves as a "mark".[/QUOTE]From what I read, the ones who got blackmailed were the ones using their real numbers.
But, I digress.
I'm continuing to play it safe and at least make it as difficult as possible to find me. And if they can still find me after all the precautions I take, it's very low-hanging fruit to find those using their real numbers.
[QUOTE=BlkScorpio1;7357740]I have always used my number and I have had the same one for about 25 years. I am single now but even when I wasn't, I used my same number. Burner phones aren't really all that safe unless you always pay cash and change it every few weeks or so. They actually are less secure than a phone registered to you. I've never had any threats or fake cops calling. Maybe some spam calls but who hasn't? Can't even say it was a result of using my number.
Guys that go through things like scams and blackmail is because they present themselves as a "mark". Think about it, everybody has something to loose, regardless of their situation. Everyone isn't an easy target and everyone is worth being a target.
Stay safe.
BLK.[/QUOTE]Why is it you believe a burner phone is less secure than using your main number?
I use a burner, paid for it and load minutes it it with cash. There's literally zero way to link that phone or number to me. LEO could potentially track its movement, maybe, and do the same with my regular phone and see that they are together at times but that's really about it.
If you Google my regular number you will find my address, businesses I have owned and a ton of other info about me. That would givea crackhead provider a lot of ways to make your life very difficult.
Not to mention that you have to have factual information with your regular service provider and that makes it much easier for unwanted people to have access to you in this game. Google my reg number and all my business comes up along with my home address, linkedin, social media and several LLC's I own. No thanks. I'll stick with my burner apps / phones. Somy hobby guys are sloppy and that's ok, if that's what you want to do. In my hobby life, only 10 providers have known my real name and had my actual number.
[QUOTE=CoopDawg;7358083]Why is it you believe a burner phone is less secure than using your main number?
I use a burner, paid for it and load minutes it it with cash. There's literally zero way to link that phone or number to me. LEO could potentially track its movement, maybe, and do the same with my regular phone and see that they are together at times but that's really about it.
If you Google my regular number you will find my address, businesses I have owned and a ton of other info about me. That would givea crackhead provider a lot of ways to make your life very difficult.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlkScorpio1;7357740]I have always used my number and I have had the same one for about 25 years. I am single now but even when I wasn't, I used my same number. Burner phones aren't really all that safe unless you always pay cash and change it every few weeks or so. They actually are less secure than a phone registered to you. I've never had any threats or fake cops calling. Maybe some spam calls but who hasn't? Can't even say it was a result of using my number.
Guys that go through things like scams and blackmail is because they present themselves as a "mark". Think about it, everybody has something to loose, regardless of their situation. Everyone isn't an easy target and everyone is worth being a target.
Stay safe.
BLK.[/QUOTE]Also there's no need to buy a burner phone anymore or worry about cash and what not LOL it's 2025 guys there's a dozen apps that give you free numbers to text off of LOL choose any area code, switch whenever you want and best part you don't have to carry two or more phones! I personally have like 5 apps I use all with different numbers and area codes. Helps to set up dreams since sometimes a provider won't answer one number but will the other. Or to price check and see if they charge different prices which sometimes they do! And if you want to haggle on one number and see what's the bottom price and then text from another number and cut to the chase it makes mongering so easy and safe. Idk what the upside to using your real number would be LOL unless you don't have a smartphone but no one's looking up stg on a flip phone right? Lmao.
[QUOTE=NotMattLauer;7358611]Also there's no need to buy a burner phone anymore or worry about cash and what not LOL it's 2025 guys there's a dozen apps that give you free numbers to text off of LOL choose any area code, switch whenever you want and best part you don't have to carry two or more phones! I personally have like 5 apps I use all with different numbers and area codes. Helps to set up dreams since sometimes a provider won't answer one number but will the other. Or to price check and see if they charge different prices which sometimes they do! And if you want to haggle on one number and see what's the bottom price and then text from another number and cut to the chase it makes mongering so easy and safe. Idk what the upside to using your real number would be LOL unless you don't have a smartphone but no one's looking up stg on a flip phone right? Lmao.[/QUOTE]Yes, you're right. And this is a mid-step in opsec improvement that will protect you from civilians (providers, pimps, blackmailers). However, if you use a 'burner app', HSI can easily see your phone device I'd, and Apple / Samsung / Google I'd's, which identifies you in a few minutes. This is why each HSI Human Trafficking Team has two Secret Service agents as members. SS was given extraordinary powers by the courts (and thus corresponding equipment capability) over wireless comms in their executive protection capacity. That agency has cheated quite a bit in scope and they regularly use the capabilities in non-court approved ways. One of the major reasons why HSI became the umbrella organization to oversee all the other agencies was for SS to loan this capability to other agencies, and for wider scope purposes. There's not much worry that your method will reveal you to the local vice guys, but your method leaves you unmasked to the big HSI stings (that are again coming once they move past their immigrant detention mission). An actual physical burner is the way to make yourself more invisible to these stings, provided you're not using it to communicate with decoys from your home (location tracking).
This is why during last year's 'Operation Milestone', (which was reported on this forum), most of the guys were actually grabbed from their homes. Literally all they had to do to meet solicitation requirements was to 'agree to meet'. Once they did that, SS identified them electronically and sent the locals to the monger's house to collect or interview them. Note that this was before the new law, so to bump this up to a felony they had to have the decoy behind the STG ad say something like "Hey I'm glad you want to see me, but I have a confession. My ad says that I'm 26, but I'm actually 16. Is that still okay?" I think most mongers said "No, it's not fucking okay! But if they replied with "Yes", they got a visit at home, which began the investigation into them. In NC today, there's a felony charge for just saying "yes" to a 26 yo provider.
Increasing your opsec with a physical burner paid for with cash will increase your safety immensely. But, I can also understand how being married and in possession of a burner could also be a problem. I am single, so it's a bit different for me. The thing to remember here is that you now face low level drug dealer type penalties for solicitation. According to my defense attorney friends, the low level drug dealers who don't get caught have fantastic opsec.
[QUOTE=CoopDawg;7358083]Why is it you believe a burner phone is less secure than using your main number?
I use a burner, paid for it and load minutes it it with cash. There's literally zero way to link that phone or number to me. LEO could potentially track its movement, maybe, and do the same with my regular phone and see that they are together at times but that's really about it.
If you Google my regular number you will find my address, businesses I have owned and a ton of other info about me. That would givea crackhead provider a lot of ways to make your life very difficult.[/QUOTE]Burner phones require no warrant. Like you said, they can be tracked and it's how they can be tracked. They ping on every tower so they actually give a step by step of where you have been. They still collect and save the same data as your regular phone. If you use it near your home, use it to contact people on a regular basis, log into personal accounts like this one, you're at risk. The place that you purchased it from does it have a camera? Seen a provider more than once? Paying cash does help, but do you change your SIM card regularly? That's why criminal organizations like drug dealers change their phone so often and spend thousands on these phones. They also travel from state to state to make the purchases. My information and both of my businesses come up as well. The thing is, I don't present as a "mark". I'm not saying you do, but many on here do. Blackmail only works if you let it work IMO. I've never had an issue and only one provider has ever called to ask me for money. I didn't even respond and it has never happened again. Just my thoughts.
Stay safe.
BLK.
[QUOTE=BlkScorpio1;7359313]Burner phones require no warrant. Like you said, they can be tracked and it's how they can be tracked. They ping on every tower so they actually give a step by step of where you have been. They still collect and save the same data as your regular phone. If you use it near your home, use it to contact people on a regular basis, log into personal accounts like this one, you're at risk. The place that you purchased it from does it have a camera? Seen a provider more than once? Paying cash does help, but do you change your SIM card regularly? That's why criminal organizations like drug dealers change their phone so often and spend thousands on these phones. They also travel from state to state to make the purchases. My information and both of my businesses come up as well. The thing is, I don't present as a "mark". I'm not saying you do, but many on here do. Blackmail only works if you let it work IMO. I've never had an issue and only one provider has ever called to ask me for money. I didn't even respond and it has never happened again. Just my thoughts.
Stay safe.
BLK.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of what you've said. The only pushback I'd give is that contacting a decoy ad is certainly enough probable cause to get a warrant for your phone for a felony investigation. The stings have judges on hand to sign search warrants. On the other hand, if you have a very good attorney and have remained silent, paid for the burner with cash, your attorney is going to argue "My client has never seen that burner phone that you allegedly found in his car before", and without you self snitching they are going to have a tough time definitively linking it to you. Certainly not impossible, but they're going to have to work for it. If they get a warrant for your personal phone, it is in fact your personal phone. So they can easily prove chain of custody to tie any evidence obtained on it back to you. Remember, with solicitation it is likely going to be ALL ABOUT THE PHONE, because in NC there is no in-person decoy used these days (unless it's a street sting, and I haven't heard of any of those in a long time).
Here is a list of Don'ts that anyone can follow for a burner phone. Feel free to add to it.
1. Don't purchase at a location that you normally frequent. Same with the minutes that go on the phone.
2. Don't get a flip phone unless it's a one and done usage.
3. Don't leave the phone on. Only turn it on when you have done your research and are ready to make some calls.
4. Don't turn it on anywhere near your home, business, friend's house, etc. Go somewhere like a library or grocery store parking lot.
5. Don't log into any personal accounts.
6. Don't use any apps for transferring money.
7. Don't always have the phone with you. Figure out an easy place to store it and prepare a story beforehand if it's ever found.
8. Don't keep any photos or videos on the phone if you record your hobby. Transfer them ASAP then delete off the phone.
9. Don't get attached to the phone / have anything personal on it. Be prepared to leave / lose it if you are caught up in a situation.
10. Don't just throw it in the trash if you need to get rid of it. Factory reset it, break it into pieces, then throw the pieces away in different places.
[QUOTE=LifeLine;7359629]Here is a list of Don'ts that anyone can follow for a burner phone. Feel free to add to it.
1. Don't purchase at a location that you normally frequent. Same with the minutes that go on the phone.
2. Don't get a flip phone unless it's a one and done usage.
3. Don't leave the phone on. Only turn it on when you have done your research and are ready to make some calls.
4. Don't turn it on anywhere near your home, business, friend's house, etc. Go somewhere like a library or grocery store parking lot.
5. Don't log into any personal accounts.
6. Don't use any apps for transferring money.
7. Don't always have the phone with you. Figure out an easy place to store it and prepare a story beforehand if it's ever found.
8. Don't keep any photos or videos on the phone if you record your hobby. Transfer them ASAP then delete off the phone.
9. Don't get attached to the phone / have anything personal on it. Be prepared to leave / lose it if you are caught up in a situation.
10. Don't just throw it in the trash if you need to get rid of it. Factory reset it, break it into pieces, then throw the pieces away in different places.[/QUOTE]Good info!
I'd recommend Tracfone as it's extremely cheap imo. Decent smartphones for around $100, decent camera, data rolls over, and they have multi-month plans. Haven't tallied up cost but I'm definitely under $$ per year (plus phone).
I'd say it's worth it, specially to those mongers with more to loose. Keep your text conversations like you would with any other casual hookup. Make sure it's password protected and keep turned off when not in use. Be prepared to part ways with it at any time.
Probably more useful for those with significant others.
Dream safe.
BNK.
[QUOTE=BlkScorpio1;7359313]Burner phones require no warrant. Like you said, they can be tracked and it's how they can be tracked. They ping on every tower so they actually give a step by step of where you have been. They still collect and save the same data as your regular phone. If you use it near your home, use it to contact people on a regular basis, log into personal accounts like this one, you're at risk. The place that you purchased it from does it have a camera? Seen a provider more than once? Paying cash does help, but do you change your SIM card regularly? That's why criminal organizations like drug dealers change their phone so often and spend thousands on these phones. They also travel from state to state to make the purchases. My information and both of my businesses come up as well. The thing is, I don't present as a "mark". I'm not saying you do, but many on here do. Blackmail only works if you let it work IMO. I've never had an issue and only one provider has ever called to ask me for money. I didn't even respond and it has never happened again. Just my thoughts.
Stay safe.
BLK.[/QUOTE]Everyone has different levels of tolerance when it comes to discrimination in this hobby and I think what you and I both said hold a lot of truth and value. Lots of good info being shared and hopefully it will help keep us all a bit safer.
Discretion, not discrimination. Effing autocorrect.
[QUOTE=LifeLine;7359629]Here is a list of Don'ts that anyone can follow for a burner phone. Feel free to add to it.
1. Don't purchase at a location that you normally frequent. Same with the minutes that go on the phone.
2. Don't get a flip phone unless it's a one and done usage.
3. Don't leave the phone on. Only turn it on when you have done your research and are ready to make some calls.
4. Don't turn it on anywhere near your home, business, friend's house, etc. Go somewhere like a library or grocery store parking lot.
5. Don't log into any personal accounts.
6. Don't use any apps for transferring money.
7. Don't always have the phone with you. Figure out an easy place to store it and prepare a story beforehand if it's ever found.
8. Don't keep any photos or videos on the phone if you record your hobby. Transfer them ASAP then delete off the phone..[/QUOTE]Wow! Excellent list! Good job!
[QUOTE=GMan7547;7363950]Wow! Excellent list! Good job![/QUOTE]Do not make the phone unlockable with your fingerprint. Use a passphrase.
The NoVA Board has an OPSEC Section. FYI.
[QUOTE=SilKill;7365079]Do not make the phone unlockable with your fingerprint. Use a passphrase.[/QUOTE]Or, handle the phone with a glove. Yes, might be starting to get a little too tinfoil hat approach but I guess if one wanted to be truly safe.