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I travel in circles where I see a lot of naked men (don't even speculate) and am amazed at how many guys are growing a forest down there. While I don't do the Brazilian bikini wax like the women I see, I do keep it neat and trim. Women appreciate it. Might help eliminate some YMMV issues.
Getting back to the business at hand, it looks like Tammy is posting on CL again. I know she looks too good to be true, but still was wondering if anyone has seen her?
Just curious.
[url]http://orlando.craigslist.org/ers/1076259632.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]I travel in circles where I see a lot of naked men (don't even speculate) and am amazed at how many guys are growing a forest down there. While I don't do the Brazilian bikini wax like the women I see, I do keep it neat and trim. Women appreciate it. Might help eliminate some YMMV issues.[/QUOTE]You drop a line like that and don't want us to speculate? LOL!! I have to agree though. If I want a nice BBBJ I think the least I can do is make sure I am not asking the girl to get a mouth of fur with it, paid or not.
She was an 18 y/o provider that got busted a couple of times and then got out of the business before she got her third arrest (which automatically becomes a felony). She did not offer anything oral. First time I met her, she told me that she did not offer anything oral after I got there. I let her perform her other skills and there was absolutely no tip offered. I love and expect oral. I told her that she should put this in her posts to be very clear. After that point, she did, but she lost a lot of business. At least the mongers knew what was on the menu. Some things are just assumed and I think oral is naturally assumed in this business (covered or uncovered is a reasonable option). Can you imagine seeing a provider that doesn't get undressed as part of her standard offering? Could she get away with that by simply saying that she didn't specify that gets naked in her post?
WOF
[QUOTE=SingleMoms]Make sure you collect your commission on your 5th or 6th or 7th time,,or whichever one you are on.[/QUOTE]
LoL.....no commission here.....just trying to help out since it was my review that got things started...
There should be no problems now since its all spelled out....and I'm a firm believer in "What ever floats your boat" and the power of "Choice"
[QUOTE=True Critic69]Over on TER their is a forum that ONLY providers have access too....Some of the providers I know would let me see what they talk about and that is one popular topic......"What do you do when you have a Hobbyist you dont like or are completely turned off by".........some of their responses are funny, but the main theme through them is......"Your body your choice....that hobbyist might get mad but those you have serviced well will not."
TC69[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but in my opinion, if a provider is turned off by a guy, her ONLY option is to refuse payment and refuse the session.
If a provider tells me, "I'm sorry, I'm not comfortable with this situation. I'm going to have to pass," I'm going to walk away, shaking my head and laughing a bit. But I won't be mad. I'll be glad I still have my money.
If a provider takes a man's money and thinks, "My body, my choice," and refuses to do something bare-bones simple expectations (a provider sucks and fucks, no questions asked) then there is NO WAY she can EVER claim she served someone well. If she took money and did not provide the most basic of expectations in her session, she is nothing more than a scammer and a rip-off. At least for that particular session.
And if she pulls that shit with someone like me, refuses to return my money and has made the mistake of having an enforcer around that wants to jump in if I start protesting her rip-off... Well that poor fucker will regret his decision to take that "job" the rest of his handicapped life.
[QUOTE=Mike Wazowski]Sorry, but in my opinion, if a provider is turned off by a guy, her ONLY option is to refuse payment and refuse the session.
If a provider tells me, "I'm sorry, I'm not comfortable with this situation. I'm going to have to pass," I'm going to walk away, shaking my head and laughing a bit. But I won't be mad. I'll be glad I still have my money.
If a provider takes a man's money and thinks, "My body, my choice," and refuses to do something bare-bones simple expectations (a provider sucks and fucks, no questions asked) then there is NO WAY she can EVER claim she served someone well. If she took money and did not provide the most basic of expectations in her session, she is nothing more than a scammer and a rip-off. At least for that particular session.
And if she pulls that shit with someone like me, refuses to return my money and has made the mistake of having an enforcer around that wants to jump in if I start protesting her rip-off... Well that poor fucker will regret his decision to take that "job" the rest of his handicapped life.[/QUOTE]
Hey Mike
I agree with you 100%........all this was said before any payment made....so the guy can leave if he doesnt like what's on the menu.
Trust me no rip-off here just a HUGE misunderstanding.
Thanks for everyone's comments.
They bring future improvement.
BTW, Ashlynn is nice and polite.
Just something new happend on that day and made me misunderstand her.
I regret to write such a controversial review which may affect her reputation and emotion.
Haha99
1St and foremost, any good provider can usually tell if the client is going to be an issue just by the conversation on the phone, in this business, you should never have to do anything that you don't feel comfortable with. I haven't come across any problems with anyone from this forum yet, with the exception of the client who came and at the end of the appointment, only had half of the donation.
If there is something that is within reason that you do not provide, your advertisement should state. Not f. S. In Boise, there is a provider that does strictly HJ and massage, however ads state GFE. This is clearly misleading.
2nd, please keep in mind that although a provider may seem independent, you don't always know what is going on when you are not there. A good friend of mine, sweet girl, great provider. She has a pimp, and he is an ass! Her clients are fooled, and believe she is independent, I have seen her reviews! Not all girls love this job, as much as I do! Some providers do what they have to do to get the cash for him, and get you out the door and on to the next.
3rd, example. Yesterday, I received a phone call from an ad of mine. It wasn't suspicious in the least, until the guy told me he was a basketball player. When I googled his name, NOTHING! Then I google his #, and up pops 2 CL ads, with a pic of a black male posted m4w, and m4m! Clearly, an unsafe situation, I figured it was some ploy to rob people, and is all out unsafe! The guy was pissed when I cancelled. Let me share this with you. My reviews are ok, I am clearly enjoying what I do, but yes, If it came down to it, I would use any means necessary to protect myself. I have also had clients get too rough, and they get carried away, and don't know when to stop.
My point, there are some providers who are not comfortable with certain clients. My advice, take a little extra time to chat, and get acquainted. Kindness in this business goes a long way. If I don't feel comfortable with you, or you show up and your nuts stink like you haven't bathed in a week, you won't get CBJ or BBBJ, you may even be offered a shower!
Hey guys,
This is Ashlynn (the provider this whole topic is about LOL), not quite sure what all the fuss is about it was understood before any services were performed what he was to expect. He had the opportunity to leave if he so chose. He did not he chose to stay, I would never and have never taken someones money then change rules/agreements etc, etc never have. That's a scam artist and that is something I am not. I have excellent respectful clientele and plan on continuing to deal with them. I do apologize for what is worth to him, however I made it clear in the beginning, I do not post I do anything in my ads whatsoever so wherever that rumor stemmed from it is just that. My ads are very basic and general we all know what we're here for. Uncircumcised men who feel it necessary to have service below should know and now know I would not be the right girl for them, I am sorry, but there is a lot more to the service then that. I could go on in further detail about the actual experience however I choose not to because I do not feel it is necessary, but I will say this I offer a safe, clean environment unrushed, totally relaxing and I am very open minded, I do not speak greek that is the only thing, so for those who do come to see me in the future great, can't wait to meet you. For those who will go solely by one experience based upon a misunderstanding then that is your choice as well no hard feelings. But I do not post I do anything so to assume is just ridiculous imo, this being with much respect to all of you who are customers be it regular or potential. It's like going to look at a car you aren't going to assume it has a cd player you ask before you buy it right? If it doesn't have what you like you leave right? I think it is that simple and plain.
I respect everyone's point of view and will keep all of the tips and ideas etc, etc in mind for the future thanks again.
Ashlynn
I got the idea.
Thanks a lot.
She is currently running an ad on bp.
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Many of you know that I'm just a babe in the woods here and as such don't know too much about P4P but here is what I do know.
There is no such thing as a provider that gets enough "regular" customers that she can make a good steady income without a flow of new customers.
This is like saying a restaurant has enough customers they don't need anymore new customers. Do you know any restaurants like that in Orlando? I don't, in fact restaurants are closing ever day and providers leave every day as well and new ones take their place.
I watch the stats on E-R-O-S and you might find 10 out of nearly 200 girls on the site that were on there 6 months ago and this has been true for years.
If you consider yourself, do you see the same girl all the time? Do you see her every week, can she depend on you for steady income? Or are you looking for the ultimate experience and constantly seek pleasure with the next hot chick?
Any girl that is looking to be a "low volume" provider with only a group of "regulars" that she can have a "connection" with is deluding herself.
Even the very high priced local providers like Sindy and Paris Bouvier, girls with outstanding TER reviews still advertise and on C/L to boot.
I'm betting that this young lady Ashlynn won't be around six months from now.
Many young girls come and go in this business because it is one hell of a lot harder than they think it is, they can only delude themselves for so long until reality sets in.----VS
[QUOTE=VerySlowly]Many of you know that I'm just a babe in the woods here and as such don't know too much about P4P but here is what I do know.
There is no such thing as a provider that gets enough "regular" customers that she can make a good steady income without a flow of new customers.
This is like saying a restaurant has enough customers they don't need anymore new customers. Do you know any restaurants like that in Orlando? I don't, in fact restaurants are closing ever day and providers leave every day as well and new ones take their place.
I watch the stats on E-R-O-S and you might find 10 out of nearly 200 girls on the site that were on there 6 months ago and this has been true for years.
If you consider yourself, do you see the same girl all the time? Do you see her every week, can she depend on you for steady income? Or are you looking for the ultimate experience and constantly seek pleasure with the next hot chick?
Any girl that is looking to be a "low volume" provider with only a group of "regulars" that she can have a "connection" with is deluding herself.
Even the very high priced local providers like Sindy and Paris Bouvier, girls with outstanding TER reviews still advertise and on C/L to boot.
I'm betting that this young lady Ashlynn won't be around six months from now.
Many young girls come and go in this business because it is one hell of a lot harder than they think it is, they can only delude themselves for so long until reality sets in.----VS[/QUOTE]
You hit that nail right on the head, VS.
I've met many girls, over the course of my two decades of mongering, who want to see "just a few guys." If I'm on a friendly basis with them, I always try to explain that not every guy is going to have the money to spend on her once a week or more. And a lot of guys who DO have the money to play every week are looking for variety.
I've run into a few girls I've been into enough to find myself calling once a week. Every one of them has acted pissed the first time I miss a week. Then they wonder why I miss every week from that point on.
[QUOTE=True Critic69]Hey Mike
I agree with you 100%........all this was said before any payment made....so the guy can leave if he doesnt like what's on the menu.
Trust me no rip-off here just a HUGE misunderstanding.[/QUOTE]
Like someone else mentioned, TC69, I'm not talking about this specific girl. Just the generalization of providers with the attitude of "my body my choice... He might get mad but not if you service him well."
To that, I'm just saying the girl needs to either buck up and provide (that's what "providers" do) or call off the session.
She needs to just end it. Not try to get by with an excuse about not giving head to a guy who is expecting it.
As for guys showing up skanky and smelly... If that's anyone reading this forum, get your shit together and take a nice shower before you see a girl! We should not even have to worry about a girl finding out after everyone is "comfortable" that giving head isn't going to be pleasant and something to avoid.