I read that you guys pay the SBs by slipping the cash in their purse etc When you do that for the first time after FC do you tell them or give any hint? Otherwise they will be walking out thinking that all they got was a good time.
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I read that you guys pay the SBs by slipping the cash in their purse etc When you do that for the first time after FC do you tell them or give any hint? Otherwise they will be walking out thinking that all they got was a good time.
[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2348342]Having been a traveling sales rep for 37 years, my experience has been that all the major hotels require you to show picture I'd these days. There are still some inexpensive motels that still do not require any I'd so you can put anything you want on the registration.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys. I was able to get a room at Red Roof Inn under an alias and paid with a Vanilla prepaid credit card under the same name. At checkin I gave the alias to locate the reservation but showed my real I'd saying that a friend made the reservation!
Don't know if this will work at a higher end hotel but then again I don't think I will be going to such a place to get a room for a couple of hours.
Do SBs (non-GPS) generally don't care about the hotel? Or do they create a scene.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2350622]Do SBs (non-GPS) generally don't care about the hotel? Or do they create a scene.[/QUOTE]Depending on their age they may prefer the car. Backseat, front seat on the hood, leaning against the side. Lots of options. Girls love that kinda stuff. Spontaneous. Adventurous. Dangerous. In the UK they call dogging. Very popular.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2350680]Depending on their age they may prefer the car. Backseat, front seat on the hood, leaning against the side. Lots of options. Girls love that kinda stuff. Spontaneous. Adventurous. Dangerous. In the UK they call dogging. Very popular.[/QUOTE]This. While I think my SB probably doesn't prefer a car, at least partly because it's been clear from day one that I'm more comfortable with more private accommodations, we've had some really wild times when a car date was the only option. One of the more magical things on this adventure-rewinding the clock to relive the youth I never had.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2350606]I read that you guys pay the SBs by slipping the cash in their purse etc When you do that for the first time after FC do you tell them or give any hint? Otherwise they will be walking out thinking that all they got was a good time.[/QUOTE]When I've provided sugar to the ladies I typically wait until we are both getting dressed or she's getting ready to leave and I find her purse and just put money in it and tell her "I left you some gas / spending / shopping / grocery / etc money in your pure".
Doesn't make it as awkward.
Reading all the newbie questions on here got me to thinking about a copy and paste easy way to get past the donation discussion, while still getting it on the table. Because I hate endless messages going back and forth. Since I have been on SA I have taken a more casual and less direct approach. I figure if the girls on SD4 M want to swim with the UTR's and pros then they can handle a rougher approach. But the girls on SA seem a bit more refined. So far I am only messaging the 18 year olds until I have thoroughly exhausted the pool. So anyway, here it is. With some slight modifications this could work for anyone. New or experienced. I will include an actual response from a POT I messaged today. She is 18 and about an 8 all around.
Message 1 - me initiating contact. But even if they initiate, you could respond with this.
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After reading my profile if you want to know more, then email me at XXX.
Just lmk its you by your profile name.
I do prefer a per meeting arrangement to start. If you could let me know what your expectation$ are that would be great.
HER REPLY: Hey it's XXX, my username is XXX, .
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Message 2 - you've seen it before, but its slightly more refined.
Hi. Every girl on here is looking for 3 things to varying degrees.
1 - financial support.
2 - physical support.
3 - emotional support.
The greater the need for one reason the less attention is paid to the others.
I try to provide a balance between all three reasons as a basis to meet someone. I spend enough money to say I am not trying to get something for nothing. I need real chemistry (as I am a very bad faker). And I have an understanding and giving nature combined with years of experience in taking care of girls and anticipating their needs.
I don't judge what anyone wants and I don't pretend to be able to meet everyones expectations. I use SA as more of a regular dating site but to meet younger girls that want some help with their bills, have sexual needs and fantasies that can be spontaneously explored in a safe and nurturing environment, and with someone that could be a real friend even if its mostly for the financial and physical benefits. But a friend nonetheless.
Whats your motivation?
Number 1, 2 or 3?
HER REPLY: I understand everything you were talking about and couldn't agree more, I think we would have tons of fun.
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Message 3.
I mean is it number 1, 2 or 3. Or all 3?
Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar, that won't be me. That would be some less attractive, needy guy. And you will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them). And you'll probably need that just to tolerate them.
But if you want to take less to be with a more chill, better looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work.
HER REPLY: Oh, well in my opinion I think I'm looking for all 3 .
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Message 4.
Thats normally the type of girl I date. I pay $100 a date. Which won't cover any ones lifestyle. But it does add up. I need to have a real connection with the person I am with. Like real chemistry. Otherwise what's the point?
I understand some girls will just date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for $100 the girl has to like me. At $300 I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?
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In this case it led to her wanting a M&G. But if there was no reply, then no problem, on to the next one. If this gets one guy laid one time for a $ it was worth posting. But adjust the numbers to your strategy. I am looking for regulars. Some guys are happy to pay more to get better looking girls or get a higher closing rate. A lot of guys dont want regulars or only date randomly so qualifying on price may not be that important. I will still be sending a sexually explicit message to her to fully clarify what is expected to start an arrangement. I am not giving up that bit of txt as it is specific to me. Just create your own and happy hunting.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2350764]Reading all the newbie questions on here got me to thinking about a copy and paste easy way to get past the donation discussion, while still getting it on the table. Because I hate endless messages going back and forth. Since I have been on SA I have taken a more casual and less direct approach. I figure if the girls on SD4 M want to swim with the UTR's and pros then they can handle a rougher approach. But the girls on SA seem a bit more refined. So far I am only messaging the 18 year olds until I have thoroughly exhausted the pool. So anyway, here it is. With some slight modifications this could work for anyone. New or experienced. I will include an actual response from a POT I messaged today. She is 18 and about an 8 all around.
[/QUOTE]Haha. So I check in here, see this post, and immediately use it on a 20 yr old blonde that just favorited me. Worked like a charm LOL.
I haven't posted here in a while, just lurking since I recently re-entered the game. I had a wild year and a half ride with the very first girl I met on SA, damn near left my SO for her. Anyway, someday I'll tell the story.
CHANGE THIS:
But if you want to take less to be with a more chill, better looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work.
TO THIS:
But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, better looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work.
Message 1 - send me an email.
REPLY: emails me to say hi and sends her pics (never ask for them if you can avoid it).
Message 2 - three reasons to be an SB.
REPLY: I really am looking for all three. I have always liked older guys and just need help during school too. You seem like a nice guy! What ru up to?
Message 3 - prequalify the donation amount.
REPLY: I'm not greedy. I am looking for more than just money. I think that would be fine. You seem like a sweet guy who just needs a younger girl to be with _.
Message 4 - give the donation amount.
REPLY: Ya that makes sense well I think your handsome and would love to hang out sometime.
If they reply with an outsized donation amount. Go silent or just say "Sorry babe, but you are out of my league". The honesty will be appreciated as you did not waste their time. This one is white, 18 and from a pac-12 university. About a 7 all around.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2350851]Message 1 - send me an email.
REPLY: emails me to say hi and sends her pics (never ask for them if you can avoid it).
Message 2 - three reasons to be an SB.
REPLY: I really am looking for all three. I have always liked older guys and just need help during school too. You seem like a nice guy! What ru up to?
Message 3 - prequalify the donation amount.
REPLY: I'm not greedy. I am looking for more than just money. I think that would be fine. You seem like a sweet guy who just needs a younger girl to be with _.
Message 4 - give the donation amount.
REPLY: Ya that makes sense well I think your handsome and would love to hang out sometime.
If they reply with an outsized donation amount. Go silent or just say "Sorry babe, but you are out of my league". The honesty will be appreciated as you did not waste their time. This one is white, 18 and from a pac-12 university. About a 7 all around.[/QUOTE]I have messaged about 10 on SA who are less than half my age! Just one "not interested" reply others are silent. This is making me think if I should just give up on the young ones. Maybe they think a guy old enough to be their father / grandpa must be a pervert.
Also I am in the SouthEast and not white wonder what impact it has on SBs even considering me May be I will try some more until the SA membership expires.
[QUOTE=LandonR;2350745]When I've provided sugar to the ladies I typically wait until we are both getting dressed or she's getting ready to leave and I find her purse and just put money in it and tell her "I left you some gas / spending / shopping / grocery / etc money in your pure".
Doesn't make it as awkward.[/QUOTE]That was very helpful.
Gentleman, it's time to pack up shop and close the doors. Games over. HollywoodGuy has discovered SA. We're all done.
So I had scheduled two meet and greets today one was 20 and the other 22. Both of them canceled. The 20 year old just never called back after we both had agreed to day, time and location. The 22 year old suddenly remembered that she had to work. Don't they know that they are only wasting their own time! Stupid young kids!
[QUOTE=Ltnric;2351443]So I had scheduled two meet and greets today one was 20 and the other 22. Both of them canceled. The 20 year old just never called back after we both had agreed to day, time and location. The 22 year old suddenly remembered that she had to work. Don't they know that they are only wasting their own time! Stupid young kids![/QUOTE]I can't possibly know you or these girls. But I do know something about sales. I hear a lot on this board about girls flaking on the M&G.
There are two ways to look at any sale (and that is what we are doing here). You can sell someone something or they can buy it from you. I get flaked on maybe 2% of the time or less.
I am selling SB's on the idea of getting paid to have a meaningful experience. Or selling UTR's on the idea of having a safe experience and maybe some repeats. Or pros on the idea of having a discount session.
But rather than looking at it as you talking them into something (which is why I never negotiate or pursue anyone that is too hesitant) think of it as, it being their idea. If they haven't totally sold you on the idea that they are totally excited to meet you, then your fallout rate is going to be high.
Its not hard to get a certain percentage of people to say yes to whatever you suggest because they don't know how to say no. Especially in a situation where you are the dominant personality to begin with. Also I hate to say, but I am a flaker as well. I make way too many dates or dates with "less than girls" when I am feeling desperate, that I never go through with when I come to my senses.
This could go on forever, but I think the point is made.
As a side note. I hate being alone. And rarely have been. I have been with girls I was tired of. But I never ditch them until I have a replacement. This takes the urgency off the M&G, or the need to start up a new LTR for the wrong reason. If you are starting from zero that should only be a one time situation. When I am in a relationship I am always looking. Never stop looking. Better to have a scheduling problem than a loneliness problem.
In your how-to you indicated that your offer is $100 per date. Is this in addition to dinner etc?
What would be the amount for a date that starts & ends in a hotel room?
Just making sure that I get your post right.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2351679]I can't possibly know you or these girls. But I do know something about sales. I hear a lot on this board about girls flaking on the M&G.[/QUOTE]For the most part I'd say we should never expect an SB to be reliable. I've actually been surprised at the fact that none of my M&Gs have actually stood me up at the last minute, but being a seasonal SD, the quantity of SBs and scheduled M&Gs is certainly lower than those involved in it year-round. This is also not to say none have been flaky at all, I've had some that backed out when the expected date of M&G got closer for various reasons (family emergency supposedly but more likely a boyfriend issue or similar), I've just been fortunate in the sense that none of them flaked at the very last minute (which would really suck for a traveling SD like myself, because if you're in town for a limited time, and you've scheduled a date, if she doesn't show up it means you end up at a bar or strip club playing pot luck).
And as long as it's not at the very last minute, I wouldn't hold it against them. Hell I've flaked too, there's two sides to every story involving flaky behavior usually. I once met an POT who I was really looking forward to having some fun with, she sent lots of photos which were great, had all the indications of a great ongoing SB. Then after a while I found her on FB, and saw her recent photos and realized the pics she sent were at least 3-4 years old and she had put on a few pounds since then. So I went dark with no explanation. I felt justified in doing so -- she misled me with photos that made it look like she was in my league when in fact she was not.
So sometimes flake-outs happen randomly and without reason, but sometimes it may have been preventable. I would think most married SDs would want to reserve the right to flake out if something critical and family related came up (suspicious wife, etc). My SD seasons don't have that element of risk, but I still reserve the right to flake out if I feel the POT has misled me.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2351725]In your how-to you indicated that your offer is $100 per date. Is this in addition to dinner etc?
What would be the amount for a date that starts & ends in a hotel room?
Just making sure that I get your post right.[/QUOTE]Its a $ a date for everything. I don't do hotel rooms anymore. I did have a MILF I was seeing and paying her the $ and then having to pay for the room on top of that because she was an amazing partner. But I ended that a few months ago as I can not justify the expense anymore. I also have a girl that I only see in a room but she costs me nothing so the date ends up being $ for the gas and room. This may seem low but I am single, so if I date 20 times a month it still adds up. Also I do give gifts throughout the year and cover some unexpected expenses that are hard to deny someone you are in a LTR with. I don't really go over the $ until a girl has proven herself over a few months period. Some girls are going to cost more and I balance it out with a few that cost less.
My current ATF is coming over tonite for her 25th date in 3 months and she is spot on at $ a date so far. The sex is awesome and she takes care of her own business with no crying about this and that. So I expect she will be around for a while. Its really the bigger picture I have to look at. Last year I did 260 dates and I did end up at $.6 average (for every expense) overall due to some very generous gift giving. But the result of that was cutting loose the 2 most expensive girls I had. Both of them (my MILF of 3 years and my ATF/GF of 18 months) as they were both averaging $$ a date.
This year I plan on dating less, having longer and better sex on the dates I do have, and seeing as many $ girls as possible. SD creep is real. Get into an LTR and the expenses normally start to creep up. And LTR's is all I mostly go for. It's almost an 80/20 rule. 80% go to my regulars and 20% goes into R&D. My goal for this year would be to lower my per date average to maybe $.3 and do maybe 240 dates. That would knock about 10k off my annual budget. From everything I have read and experienced the only way to lower that would be to see less attractive girls. I have encountered many on the SD site willing to date for .5 but they are below what I need to be happy.
I have learned over time you have to run this like a business if you want to stay in business. Also I did start out paying far more, and sometimes it was awesome and sometimes it wasnt. The quality I get now is all at the awesome level or I leave very very fast. 10 dates tops is my make it or break it level. I never civi date by choice as I need as much control over my time and finances as possible. Not to mention the the age and beauty of the girls. I think we can all agree that at 60 you are not just going to go out and casually hit on 20 year olds.
So just to clarify, when I am talking about cost, it covers every single cost except gas and any emotional wear and tear.
For your purposes if it starts and ends in a hotel room it should be $ plus the cost of the room. Unless you can afford more.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2351856]Its a $ a date for everything. I don't do hotel rooms anymore. I did have a MILF I was seeing and paying her the $ and then having to pay for the room on top of that because she was an amazing partner. But I ended that a few months ago as I can not justify the expense anymore. I also have a girl that I only see in a room but she costs me nothing so the date ends up being $ for the gas and room. This may seem low but I am single, so if I date 20 times a month it still adds up. Also I do give gifts throughout the year and cover some unexpected expenses that are hard to deny someone you are in a LTR with. I don't really go over the $ until a girl has proven herself over a few months period. Some girls are going to cost more and I balance it out with a few that cost less.
My current ATF is coming over tonite for her 25th date in 3 months and she is spot on at $ a date so far. The sex is awesome and she takes care of her own business with no crying about this and that. So I expect she will be around for a while. Its really the bigger picture I have to look at. Last year I did 260 dates and I did end up at $.6 average (for every expense) overall due to some very generous gift giving. But the result of that was cutting loose the 2 most expensive girls I had. Both of them (my MILF of 3 years and my ATF/GF of 18 months) as they were both averaging $$ a date.
This year I plan on dating less, having longer and better sex on the dates I do have, and seeing as many $ girls as possible. SD creep is real. Get into an LTR and the expenses normally start to creep up. And LTR's is all I mostly go for. It's almost an 80/20 rule. 80% go to my regulars and 20% goes into R&D. My goal for this year would be to lower my per date average to maybe $.3 and do maybe 240 dates. That would knock about 10k off my annual budget. From everything I have read and experienced the only way to lower that would be to see less attractive girls. I have encountered many on the SD site willing to date for .5 but they are below what I need to be happy.
I have learned over time you have to run this like a business if you want to stay in business. Also I did start out paying far more, and sometimes it was awesome and sometimes it wasnt. The quality I get now is all at the awesome level or I leave very very fast. 10 dates tops is my make it or break it level. I never civi date by choice as I need as much control over my time and finances as possible. Not to mention the the age and beauty of the girls. I think we can all agree that at 60 you are not just going to go out and casually hit on 20 year olds.
So just to clarify, when I am talking about cost, it covers every single cost except gas and any emotional wear and tear.
For your purposes if it starts and ends in a hotel room it should be $ plus the cost of the room. Unless you can afford more.[/QUOTE]You have been very patient and generous with your time on this forum. This was post was very helpful as I was not considering the complete long term picture.
Just curious what made you switch to SA from SD4 ME?
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2352274]You have been very patient and generous with your time on this forum. This was post was very helpful as I was not considering the complete long term picture.
Just curious what made you switch to SA from SD4 ME?[/QUOTE]I didn't switch. I am now on both. So far SA looks to be more upscale as far as the quality of the girls. I don't see any difference in the expectations. In fact I would say it might be easier to get girls for $ on SA than SD4 M as the girls seem less financially needy. There seem to be more balanced or regular girls on SA. Less tattoos and single moms, more college students and suburban black girls. I am using two different approaches. Its just a test and I am a little bored with SD4 M. I am definitely getting more traction with white and latina girls so far on SA then SD4 M and I see a lot more middle class AA girls on SA. More of what some people call "white washed" AA types. I live in the city and usually prefer city girls to suburban girls, but I am more concerned with body type and that has nothing to do with socio-economic status or geographic location.
[QUOTE=Ltnric;2351443]So I had scheduled two meet and greets today one was 20 and the other 22. Both of them canceled. The 20 year old just never called back after we both had agreed to day, time and location. The 22 year old suddenly remembered that she had to work. Don't they know that they are only wasting their own time! Stupid young kids![/QUOTE]This may have been mentioned earlier in the thread I don't know, but has anyone had the girl show up and not be the girl from the photos? Anyone have the girl show up and NOT be the girl from the profile? This has happened to me twice this go round on SA. The first one was good 50 lbs heavier than the girl pictured (I only like slender / athletic girls). Nice enough, and a definite non pro, but definitely not my type. The second one was partially my fault, as I've taken to image searching every girl I take an interest in. For some unknown reason I didn't do it with this girl, who appeared to have a body to die for. The girl that showed up was actually one of the most fun to talk to that I've met from there, but covered head to toe in tats and piercings, and not nearly close to the body pictured. Definitely not my type. When I searched the pics when I got home, they were of a semi internet famous fitness model LOL.
I also had two girls flake on me this weekend, one 19, the other 18. I have yet to meet a girl under 20, although several have agreed to meet. Every one has flaked. I guess it's one thing for a middle class 18 yr old to agree to fuck a 50 something thru text messages, and another to actually do it. I also suspect more than one of those were fake accounts.
I've got two more in the pipeline that agreed to meet using hollywood guy's approach, one 19, the other 20. Neither one was available to meet this weekend, so we'll see how that goes.
I have pretty much been using my 4 step approach and have gotten 5 POTS off of SA with it. These are confirmed $ dates. I haven't been able to snag any primo looking girls yet except one.
18 AA petite and about an 8. She lives kinda far in the mostly white suburbs. She seemed pretty cool. But its mostly based on looks. No FC except mine to go to. Which means she would have to train it for date 2 if there was one.
18 white slender college student about a 7. Seemed interested but didn't really feel the vibe. Very plain but slender. Its a maybe if I follow through.
19 latina who got impatient with all 4 steps, about a 8+. LOL. She just wanted to hook up asap. Probably UTR. Very pretty but kinda too far and no FC to go to. Would have to get a room which is not on my agenda.
19 AA amazingly has her own house thanks to a family situation, about a 7 but petite. Seemed very cool but paranoid. Never dated a white guy. Was afraid of popo on the internet. May see her tonite or tomorrow. But no rush. She is solid.
24 latina, average looking about a 6 with a better body (I hope). She is high on my list as she is verbally very submissive. Wants me to teach her to be a good girl for daddy. Txts me daily hoping to get lucky.
I have slacked off on SD4M. But have two confirmed $ dates.
A 26 AA college student / model, about a 9 for a coffee. Kind of aloof. But a hot working model, can't pass that up. And close by.
And a hot to trot 19 AA, about an 8 that acts UTR but I think she is just horny. She is really pushing hard for a meet. Good personality, nice body.
These are all from about a week of prospecting. So far on SA I have only made it through the 18 and 19 year olds. And I also targeted all the GPS girls in my larger demographic. Any age, AA, slim and pretty. No luck there yet.
January had me sticking 90% with my regulars plus 2 dates with a pro due to a discount rate of $ for BBFS and BBBJ.
Overall average for January was $.7 per date, no money went to rooms but I did some post Christmas gift giving. I expect that to drop to $.3 in February.
I think almost everyone on this thread is on SA. I can say I see a big difference between SA and SD4 M. Totally different girls, more college girls, and the girls respond in much bigger numbers. I am only working the 18 and 19 year olds for now, but I can see it would take a while to burn through those and the any age slim AA and mixed girls. Those are my 4 saved searches. I still have not gone on any M&G's due to no time. A quality problem for sure.
Happy to hear that things are going well for you HWG. More happy the you to not play in my playground - otherwise my nights would probably be spent being lonely or listening to my SO's next dinner recipe...
My experience has been similar to yours regarding SA. Haven't used any other sites yet, but mainly because I haven't had a need to.
Good luck to all the players in the bowl, male and female alike. May everyone's needs be met!
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2353943]I think almost everyone on this thread is on SA. I can say I see a big difference between SA and SD4 M. Totally different girls, more college girls, and the girls respond in much bigger numbers. I am only working the 18 and 19 year olds for now, but I can see it would take a while to burn through those and the any age slim AA and mixed girls. Those are my 4 saved searches. I still have not gone on any M&G's due to no time. A quality problem for sure.[/QUOTE]
Someone help me out not new but what is SA? Have not been on here much lately do to moving out of state.
January started out rough and was filled with drama early on. Towards the latter end of the month, things have smoothed out and I am hopeful that I can coast through the winter and into the spring. Then again, I thought that would be the case last month. Top line summary. I ended up going over budget again this month by about $300. But again, I attribute this to all the additional and extra costs that go into rebuilding a rotation (e. G. Extending my SA membership by another month, larger volume of M&Gs, larger and more expensive up front dating costs to get pots to the FC, etc.). I am again hopeful that these costs will go down over time. And don't plan on making the same mistakes I did last month (e. G. Over-sharing too many details over this forum, etc.).
As a recap, my entire SB rotation from December was decimated. Not necessarily a bad thing though since it forced me to get back into the game and I've updated my rotation with a totally new and fresh team. I am ending January with 3 new SBs in my rotation, and 2 pots who have committed to joining me in a trip to the FC. I probably sent out close to 125-150 messages this month which resulted in about 20-25 pots that I had been going back and forth with. That resulted in about 10 M&Gs in Jan. Of the 10 pots I had M&G's with, I closed the deal with 3, for a total of 4 trips to the FC this month. Of the remaining 6 that I was not able to close the deal with, 4 have gone completely dark. And the remaining 2 keep texting and e-mailing, but appear to not need the sugar enough yet. I have found that the advice on the board is both true to form and very accurate. After leaving 2 of the 3 SBs well satisfied after trips to the FC, they are both very very eager for more. At this point finding the time and managing my budget are the main issues for me right now.
SB # 6 is a 8 face, 8 body, and 7 in bed. There are certain activities she just won't engage in, but they are well offset by the things she does. Which she does oh so well. We went to the FC twice this month, with plans to meet again in Feb. She is a dance instructor, and her ability to move her hips, makes it very hard for me to turn down her date requests.
SB # 7 is a 7 face, 8 body, and 7 in bed. Most activities are on the table, but she just isn't into it. Very sweet young lady, but its clear that she's in it for the financial assistance and less for the experiences I can offer to her behind closed doors. We've been to the FC once this month, and she has been requesting another meet up. My schedule this month is more than overloaded, but she is on my shortlist to call if I need relief in a pinch.
SB # 8 is a 7 face, 8 body, and 9 in bed. Most activities appear to be on the table. And I'll be interested to see if I am given an all access pass within the next month or so. Wish she was cuter, but no complaints from me since she is a dynamo behind closed doors. We have set plans to meet later in Feb.
As a preview of February, I've received messages out of the blue from about 8 pots I had messaged back in Dec. And Jan. Not sure if these are babies that are at the end of their life-cycle with their existing daddy. But I've definitely noticed a pickup in activity on my end with lots more messages being responded to. And even responses to messages that I sent back during my first week after joining. I am very hopeful that the 2 pots who have agreed to a trip to the FC come through. One is the latina college pot, who can host, is a gymnist and is requesting a minimal allowance. I may clear my bench to make room for her if it all comes together.
I've been very strict with my policy of an allowance that ranges between $ - $$. I'm much more forgiving with dating costs though since I get to enjoy the meals, restaurants, and hotels as well. My average per trip to the FC this month is averaging about $$$ I've made it clear that the nicer the hotel and the restaurant, the smaller the allowance. This gives the SB the ability to choose what she wants. If she wants a nicer "date" then she's getting a smaller allowance.
We'll see if any of the new leads that came in towards the end of Jan / early Feb. result in additions to my rotation. Also, although I have quite a few e-mail addresses and phone numbers, I've decided that they probably won't give me much to work with since most of the numbers and e-mail addresses belong to pots who have gone dark on me. Then again, who knows, maybe it will be like the hundreds of messages I've sent out on SA, with a few coming back with responses when they find the resolve to make it to a M&G, need the sugar, or get dropped by their current daddy.
Time will tell. In the meantime though, good luck to all the players in the bowl! The ride is fun. And there is nothing like finding an oilslick between a young girl's legs as she is begging you to slip inside of her.
Happy hunting ladies and gents!
The fish.
Has anybody had trouble accessing the "old" format for SA? The CO rep says there is a button on the page but I can no longer find it. It was there a week ago.
Got my 9/9 40 yr old MILF but bedtime action is 6 to 7 best. If she would ramp it up I would want to keep her but I am looking for a fiery performer. I would take a 6/8+/9 any day over a 9/9/6.
Sadly I cannot date so I am limited to UTRs. I really don't want to risk LE threats so don't want the BP routine although it is tempting.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2354777]Has anybody had trouble accessing the "old" format for SA? The CO rep says there is a button on the page but I can no longer find it. It was there a week ago.
Got my 9/9 40 yr old MILF but bedtime action is 6 to 7 best. If she would ramp it up I would want to keep her but I am looking for a fiery performer. I would take a 6/8+/9 any day over a 9/9/6.
Sadly I cannot date so I am limited to UTRs. I really don't want to risk LE threats so don't want the BP routine although it is tempting.[/QUOTE]The old format button is gone. However, you can access it by using ww2. [URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL] Everything still works.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2354777]Got my 9/9 40 yr old MILF but bedtime action is 6 to 7 best. If she would ramp it up I would want to keep her but I am looking for a fiery performer. I would take a 6/8+/9 any day over a 9/9/6.[/QUOTE]I agree. I got caught up more than once with model quality girls with "less than" skills.
I am not patting myself on the back, because I don't need to. LOL. But that 4 step messaging system I started using is amazing. Each message dovetails perfectly to the next one. The biggest problem is holding back. On the time between messages that is. To avoid suspicion that's its a copy and paste. Of course I make slight modifications depending on the reply. And you can modify the donation amounts to suit your needs. But this thing works like a charm. No bull. I won't bore you with the number of acceptance letters I am getting at a $. And mostly they are 7's. So crank it up to $.5 to get an 8 and $$ to get a 9. I even encourage seniors to try this as it is a huge time saver.
I'm getting some request from SB's requesting a photo immediately. Now my practice as of right now is the email system.
If they request the photo, I simply ask for an email. But I think I may have lost a few potentials due to this method. I was.
Thinking about upload loading a photo and place it private. Maybe this would help, what method are you guys currently using?
It's a sugar daddy / sugar baby website. There are a few of them. Some members of the forum use it, some use others. A quick read of the forum will help identify which sites various forum members like over others. Based on exchanges, it sounds like some sites are better, or worse, depending on your particular location.
[QUOTE=LetHerGo;2354462]Someone help me out not new but what is SA? Have not been on here much lately do to moving out of state.[/QUOTE]
I generally only use email or text. I've experienced the same. The upside is that by not using the site, you are more likely to get direct contact info. If you use the private pic feature, then you're beholden to the monthly membership fee if you want to keep communicating with a pot and your membership expires.
Not a huge expense, but if you're juggling multiple sbs in a rotation, every few dollars count. Or at least that's my perspective. One month of SA or an extra bottle of wine at dinner with your favorite SB or a pot you're trying to get to the FC?
I've also found that getting personal contact info often yields valuable Intel, like if a pot has a Facebook page or Twitter account where she is ranting about how her last daddy was a jerk and how she is going to post his pics on her fb page. Yes, I actually found that Intel after getting an email address...needless to say, I went dark and did not respond to her requests for my pictures after finding out that info.
As for missed opportunities. There are new pots joining all the sites every day, if one or two won't comply with the rules you establish, there are five more that will join tomorrow who will.
[QUOTE=Falar;2355506]I'm getting some request from SB's requesting a photo immediately. Now my practice as of right now is the email system.
If they request the photo, I simply ask for an email. But I think I may have lost a few potentials due to this method. I was.
Thinking about upload loading a photo and place it private. Maybe this would help, what method are you guys currently using?[/QUOTE]
I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?
Email is better just like HollywoodGuy is doing.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2355760]I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?
[/QUOTE]The girls I've known never bring it up. The few times I've brought it up before the deed was done, it ended up working to my disadvantage. I just gift them after the deed is done.
It depends, lots of folks prefer email. I prefer not bringing it up until the m&g or until after the m&g. In my humble opinion, a lady is much more likely to be open to a reasonable allowance if you have chemistry and she likes you. So for example, if a pot wanted an allowance of $5000 a month, and you send her an email telling her that you're willing to give her an allowance of $100 per date, its possible you never get to the m&g.
On the other hand, I've found that if you get to the m&g, have chemistry, make a pot laugh, and turn up the charm, a young lady is much more likely to be willing to accept an allowance that she wouldn't have otherwise considered.
If they can see themselves dating you outside of SA, you treat a pot respectfully, can make them laugh and turn up the charm, a lot of the ladies I have been able to seal the deal with probably see the sugar as a nice extra.
I've also messaged more than my fair share of ladies who required the allowance discussion via email or text prior to the m&g. In each case, I never made it to the m&g because the difference in expectations was too far apart. On the other hand I am batting about 60 - 70 on my ratio of m&g to the FC.
I'm sure there are a variety of different factors involved, but based on my experience, once a lady meets you, realizes that you're not a total creep, it makes it much easier to take things to the next level.
That all being said, establishing expectations up front saves money on the m&g, while also saving time and effort.
I guess its really a matter of preference and style.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2355760]I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?
Email is better just like HollywoodGuy is doing.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2355760]I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?
Email is better just like HollywoodGuy is doing.[/QUOTE]JL is unique and must be date worthy for these babies (picture brad Pitt) Most of the experiences I have had --and I've had a few, have worked out better if you know what to expect up front. In fact, I have a negotiation going right now as we speak. She stated that she wants to know up front what her allowance is. So I will let you know how it works out. Unless you are an uber generous tipper, and I mean $300 up per visit, you run the risk of having a pissed off or disappointed Baby. My ATF 19 yr old is a case in point. We never discussed money. She came to my apartment and we ended up having the most energetic sex of my career. I dropped $200 in her purse and took her home. When I called her for a 2nd date she said her goal was $800 for her years books for school. I explained that 3 more times together and she had it banked, but she did not see it that way. Words were exchanged -tightwad and asshole featured prominently in the tirade. You do not want an angry girl hunting you down. So get it straight up front. The good news is I got to bang an incredibly hot girl who would never have come for $$ had she known in advance.
I find the simple statement "what is your expectation for an allowance? " works fine. A lot will come back "well what do you pay? " I then tell them my low number. Usually they will then give their high number. So you know somewhere in between you have a deal. When you meet you have the hard part worked out and you can just have fun.
One good thing about meeting first is, if you are extremely appealing to her, she will think that the lower price is worth banging you.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2355958]One good thing about meeting first is, if you are extremely appealing to her, she will think that the lower price is worth banging you.[/QUOTE]I don't think I have too many confidence issues, especially in the FC. I just don't like too much mystery. And a one time bang with a hottie is cool, but I like to put my cards on the table. I would rather offer a $ for a HJ and then work my magic in the FC to get what I really want. And I usually do. But even if I don't there are no hard feelings afterward. And I still get to play with a naked girl, lol.
I have gone back and forth on this and have had success (and failure) both ways. I find a lot of times if I ask them for their expectations I don't get a straight answer, and when I do it's ridiculous. At that point it's difficult to get her down off the limb to a sane amount. If they don't give me a number then I throw mine out, if its not in her range I politely disengage. I have had a couple re-think things after that and come back to my number.
Currently I am throwing out my number in the first letter up front. I have a good regular SB, so there's no sense of urgency on my part to add another, so I"m saving time and effort by getting that on the table off the bat. I have had a pretty good response rate to my number lately (which is 120), with good quality.
I think the other part of the question was sugar for the M&G, and I never, ever do that. I declined to give a 22 year old, petite, white, self identified "little" $80 for a M&G a couple of weeks ago because she said no play on the first date. I did break a rule recently and give some sugar to a girl on our second date which included a good kissing / petting session but no sex. Normally I would never do that but she is 25, white, spinner body, great personality, great kisser, lives close, has a car and a job, 7/8/9/ and I see her as potential long term ATF material. We are going on our third date soon and she knows I expect the next level. If that happens it was a good investment, if not, hey, sometimes you have to speculate.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2355958]JL is unique and must be date worthy for these babies (picture brad Pitt) [/QUOTE]Yes perhaps on unique for this forum, definite no on looking like Brad Pitt.
What's unique about my situation is that I typically take them on an actual date first, which helps get them in the mood a bit. It's not the most cost effective method, but it works. I'm not yet 60 and may not be able to pull off the same level of success with 20 year olds when I am, but doing so with 30-35 year olds at age 60+ is perfectly feasible and some of those are the best fucks anyway.
I think part of my success is I know my strengths and limitations and work each to their best advantage. When I'm 60, if I still want to fuck 20 year olds then I'm probably going to be limited to UTRs and such. I pick and choose the POTs that I'm willing to actually M&G with very carefully. My methods would not work in bulk. Quality over quantity.
But to be clear, I'm definitely not suggesting my methods will work for everyone. Just one man's experiences. I always try to disclose that I do not do this full-time, so when I do it, I budget for full-on dating in order to make the most of my limited time away from the SO.