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I personally do not mind the reference checks. By the time I call I usually have done some homework and have a pretty good idea they are legitimately in the business. They on the other hand have no idea who is on the other end of the phone. If you have seen someone they happen to know, it makes it easy for them to confirm you. It may be only in my imagination but I believe I am likely to have a better experience if she is not worried about my arrival. There is no way I could take random calls, invite unknown people over and just hope I do not encounter a problem. Quite frankly I do not know how they manage this kind of pressure.

One of the best checks I ever encountered was I called and when asked for previous providers names she stopped me and said that is my sister. I said Ok if that is the case I am going to give you the house number and you are going to give me the street. I did and she did.

I may be a little different but I like everyone to be comfortable if possible. I know it is alot easier for me to see someone when I do not have to be concerned about getting new jewelery on my wrists when I arrive. When I do not have references that they know I still try to come to an arrangement where we can validate each other when I arrive but that depends on the provider.

Just my thoughts and opinion.

Fdx17

Well there has to be SOME providers who don't require references otherwise how will newbies get into the game?

[QUOTE=Bucks97; 1633917]I have never once provided a reference to a provider, nor do I ever plan to, nor do I see how not doing so affects my safety in any way, shape or form. I also find it annoying to have providers on here attempting to dictate terms of service for other providers.

I do understand why providers would want this. I'm not, however, willing to spend time giving or seeking references and waiting for them to be verified. Nor do I have any desire to tell new providers who else I've seen, or to tell former providers who I'm seeing now. Nor do I think they should have to spend their time providing references.

If Ally can run her business this way, more power to her. However, the fact that she's on here whining about others not playing by her rules suggests to me that she's having trouble doing this, or having to turn down too many potential customers who won't play

In short, the reference system provides no real assurance and is a useless inconvenience that may actually increase risks for mongers.[/QUOTE]I agree 100. I have given references in the past only to have the provider call or text me back in less than 5 minutes to say I am now verified. Less than 5 minutes? She didn't verify anything! If the provider you are providing references too is working with LE, you are helping them build their case! That burner phone you use to hide your identity, it isn't worth a dime when LE can link it to your USASG handle because of a text message you sent providing references and your handle. We want to provide as little information as possible.

As far as Ally, before she had professional photos and raised her rates, I saw her. No references required. I'm sure she'll flame me and call me a liar but that is of no importance. All providers take clients without references because they have to build their clientele somehow. Now in the case of Ally, she probably has enough repeat clients that she doesn't need anyone new but the provider who is just starting, she'll take anyone who has green money.

[QUOTE=Bucks97; 1633917]I have never once provided a reference to a provider, nor do I ever plan to, nor do I see how not doing so affects my safety in any way, shape or form. I also find it annoying to have providers on here attempting to dictate terms of service for other providers.

I do understand why providers would want this. I'm not, however, willing to spend time giving or seeking references and waiting for them to be verified. Nor do I have any desire to tell new providers who else I've seen, or to tell former providers who I'm seeing now. Nor do I think they should have to spend their time providing references.

If Ally can run her business this way, more power to her. However, the fact that she's on here whining about others not playing by her rules suggests to me that she's having trouble doing this, or having to turn down too many potential customers who won't play along.

I am quite sure that there are providers on here or elsewhere, the vast majority, at least elsewhere, who never have used references. And, it's absurd even for providers who use references to expect all providers to do the same, since that would essentially prevent any new customer from ever entering the system.

As far as jeopardizing everyone, there's no guarantee that a provider who checks references isn't LEO. In fact, it would be a great way for LEO in an extended undercover operation to go about business, both to appear "safe" and to collect additional intel. While there are some additional assurances for the provider, one, two or any number of references are no guarantee the customer is safe either. There's nothing preventing a psychopath from accumulating a few good "references" on his way to doing something horrible. There's really nothing preventing LEO from working in a system that would generate some references, since drug-related vice operations essentially do this all the time.

In fact, I've known at least one provider who saw a client repeatedly, trusted him implicitly and then was one time raped brutally by the same man. This is very unfortunate, but it's a risk in this business, or in life itself, since I'm sure quite a lot of folks have had spouses who changed on them over time.

In short, the reference system provides no real assurance and is a useless inconvenience that may actually increase risks for mongers.[/QUOTE]If we wanted to deal with a nagging pain in the a$$, we wouldn't be on this site. We'd be banging our wives and girlfriends. Anybody that "needs" a reference, please feel free to use me. What a joke.

For example, I PM'd EvyMe "for details" as she depicted in her first ad. What'd I get in return?

"Send me two references and like I said in my ad. I've been on this site before."

Thanks for those details. What a turn-on.

So goes the eternal debate- "How useful are references?". I have seen this question be raised over and over again by provider and hobbiest alike. Both sides have a point, and both sides fail to see that trying to convince the other of changing the other sides's point of view or policy. Forcing the issue just makes the other side even more skittish.

Let me TRY to find a middle ground. How about,"You do business your way, I'll do business mine, and we can just not argue.".

If a provider needs two references and you either can't or won't, don't worry about it. There are providers who don't require heavy screening, and you know what? If you like her service, you can even become a repeat customer and wouldn't have lost a single thing. The provider that needed the two references to get the warm and fuzzy feeling that the security of getting two references, well, I'm sure she'll be just fine even without your donation.

While we're on the subject, if a provider asks me for a reference, I would gladly be able to furnish some. However, I might ask her for verification as well. How do I know I can trust her? It's not just the ladies who have something to lose. Some men have just as much to risk when seeing a pro.

So, where is the middle ground? Well, back in 2006, when I first saw a Buddah girl (Shelby- she was a sweet blonde girl, early 20s, with lazy eye, but funny as hell! I repeated with mer a few times.) , I called Buddah from the parking lot of the Incall location. He said that there is to be no talk of money, or exchange of money, until AFTER the deed was done. If cash is even flashed or referred to, the session is over. Hooking up is not illegal. BDSM is not illegal. Casual physical relations between strangers is not illegal. It's only after money exchanges hands that the legal/illegal line is crossed.

I guess the way B saw it, he would rather lose the donation to a f-and-dash, rather than risk jail to someone unverified. Your actions during the session is what verifies you. Can LEO go through with the session, and pay after? Is that legal and will it stand up in court? I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say. But it certainly does taint LEO's testimony, doesn't it?

So you guys go ahead and squabble all you want. I'll be the one spending my energy having fun.

[QUOTE=D Nut; 1634077]So goes the eternal debate- "How useful are references?". I have seen this question be raised over and over again by provider and hobbiest alike. Both sides have a point, and both sides fail to see that trying to convince the other of changing the other sides's point of view or policy. Forcing the issue just makes the other side even more skittish.

Let me TRY to find a middle ground. How about,"You do business your way, I'll do business mine, and we can just not argue.".

If a provider needs two references and you either can't or won't, don't worry about it. There are providers who don't require heavy screening, and you know what? If you like her service, you can even become a repeat customer and wouldn't have lost a single thing. The provider that needed the two references to get the warm and fuzzy feeling that the security of getting two references, well, I'm sure she'll be just fine even without your donation.

While we're on the subject, if a provider asks me for a reference, I would gladly be able to furnish some. However, I might ask her for verification as well. How do I know I can trust her? It's not just the ladies who have something to lose. Some men have just as much to risk when seeing a pro.

So, where is the middle ground? Well, back in 2006, when I first saw a Buddah girl (Shelby- she was a sweet blonde girl, early 20s, with lazy eye, but funny as hell! I repeated with mer a few times.) , I called Buddah from the parking lot of the Incall location. He said that there is to be no talk of money, or exchange of money, until AFTER the deed was done. If cash is even flashed or referred to, the session is over. Hooking up is not illegal. BDSM is not illegal. Casual physical relations between strangers is not illegal. It's only after money exchanges hands that the legal / illegal line is crossed.

I guess the way B saw it, he would rather lose the donation to a f-and-dash, rather than risk jail to someone unverified. Your actions during the session is what verifies you. Can LEO go through with the session, and pay after? Is that legal and will it stand up in court? I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say. But it certainly does taint LEO's testimony, doesn't it?

So you guys go ahead and squabble all you want. I'll be the one spending my energy having fun.[/QUOTE]Spoken like a true professional. I apologize for the heat. I need to take my meds.

[QUOTE=D Nut; 1634077]So goes the eternal debate- "How useful are references?". I have seen this question be raised over and over again by provider and hobbiest alike. Both sides have a point, and both sides fail to see that trying to convince the other of changing the other sides's point of view or policy. Forcing the issue just makes the other side even more skittish.

Let me TRY to find a middle ground. How about,"You do business your way, I'll do business mine, and we can just not argue.".

If a provider needs two references and you either can't or won't, don't worry about it. There are providers who don't require heavy screening, and you know what? If you like her service, you can even become a repeat customer and wouldn't have lost a single thing. The provider that needed the two references to get the warm and fuzzy feeling that the security of getting two references, well, I'm sure she'll be just fine even without your donation.

While we're on the subject, if a provider asks me for a reference, I would gladly be able to furnish some. However, I might ask her for verification as well. How do I know I can trust her? It's not just the ladies who have something to lose. Some men have just as much to risk when seeing a pro.

So, where is the middle ground? Well, back in 2006, when I first saw a Buddah girl (Shelby- she was a sweet blonde girl, early 20s, with lazy eye, but funny as hell! I repeated with mer a few times.) , I called Buddah from the parking lot of the Incall location. He said that there is to be no talk of money, or exchange of money, until AFTER the deed was done. If cash is even flashed or referred to, the session is over. Hooking up is not illegal. BDSM is not illegal. Casual physical relations between strangers is not illegal. It's only after money exchanges hands that the legal / illegal line is crossed.

I guess the way B saw it, he would rather lose the donation to a f-and-dash, rather than risk jail to someone unverified. Your actions during the session is what verifies you. Can LEO go through with the session, and pay after? Is that legal and will it stand up in court? I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say. But it certainly does taint LEO's testimony, doesn't it?

So you guys go ahead and squabble all you want. I'll be the one spending my energy having fun.[/QUOTE]I agree that providing references is probably somewhat of a pain for ALL involved. I'm sure a provider doesn't really want other providers calling her to verify a reference. Some providers want the names and contact numbers as your reference. Wow. As often as some peoples cell phone numbers change. That's not always practical. Perhaps a real "enthusiast" with weekly regulars won't find that a problem. Some sites use a vouch system. It's not fool proof but I think it helps and it's relatively painless. I don't have much trouble identifying the safest providers on this board. I prefer to let others test the waters with newbie providers. I suppose I'm just risk adverse that way. Not that I don't help out by bringing an occasional new face to the board as I meet some ladies out and about. The only reference I generally have to provide is my board handle. It's sufficient to see that I've seen a few well known providers with no problems. In this way I can have "references" by known "trusted" providers that may even have left the hobby already. I'm not even sure how many providers actually even go through the very minimal trouble to actually verify my references (a few have admitted to me that they didn't actually check them). I think many just want to see how you will "react" to the request. Those who balk or just dangle carrot$ would be some cause for concern. Besides, I'm sure that nobody here on this board actually pays for. Or accepts $ for sexual services. Certainly not me. I just like to meet attractive women. And whatever happens.

Of course once upon a time, I had no references. I'm happy there were a few like Buddah that are good at what they do and can weed out the bad eggs for his friends.

Here is the way I see it, whether you agree or not. If a provider requires 2 references I am happy to oblidge. This tells me she is being very safe about her actions. Thus I get the feeling I am walking into a situation that checks out. In return I may ask her for references as well. It has happened where the provider would not give me references, and I simply moved on. But from my experience on here, whether good bad or indifferent, I could message any provider on this site and be seen quickly. Why you ask? Because I have paid my dues and with my presence on the board a few years, they know I am legit, and likewise with the ones that have been here a while that I know are legit.

It all boils down to if you are known or not. Providers talk, just as mongers do. Once your name is out there, references are not needed. I am sure all you agree with this. Mf.

[QUOTE=Sinful Dreams; 1633521]So while perusing the Forum, I noticed some Providers are saying that they can see Clients without references. WOW is all I have to say. Not only is that VERY unsafe, it jeopardizes ALL of us when a provider doesn't check the references. I just find this absurd that a provider would go to that length to try and get business. And not to mention if any of the Hobbyists see her, then you don't care about the screening process, and this is just begging for LE to drop by.

I turned down several clients last week because they didn't have ANY type of references, and to me that just isn't okay with me. I ask for 2 references and I don't think that is a bad screening process. For the most part I try to answer my phone right away, but if not I do return calls or messages when I am available.

Be Safe,

Ally[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PhatDaty; 1633958]You sir, are a danger to all of us. References protect the hobby community from Leo and from perverted misogynist, stalkers, and guys that are twisted enough to mess with other hobbyist just for seeing their ATFs. I hope providers take note of your handle and boycott ever booking with you.

References are crucial to all of us, and your selfish attitude is dangerous to the hobby community.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with PhatDaty, although I choose not to take such an abrasive approach. Refs are important, for BOTH sides. But newbies need to understand you can do this in several ways. It's more a matter of showing the provider that you are not LE. But considering the risks involved (on both sides) , safety is also in play here. I don't have a single issue with a provider asking for refs. But if they are not a proven provider, I want reassurances as well. I have refs, newbies don't. So it can be difficult for them to get them.

Just as I would do research on a provider before I call, they should do some checks once I call them. For everyone's safety sake.

IMHO.

ROJO

In town on new years eve staying at the Casino. Looking for a classy lady for some overnight companionship.

Any suggestions?

Pm me for time frames fri or sat. We Have had a wonderful response but there us a couple of questions from the provider on how our members and other providers would respect her for fulfilling such a request. Some support on her part would be appreciated from members and providers would help to complete her session. She is as much of a lady as each of us would want 1 on 1 but she is so much involved in making her clients happy as other providers but as all the ladies she doesn't want to loose the respect as a provider. This is why she's my ATF. SO If we can get a bravo or a no no from her clients as well as from other providers this will make or break the fantasy for all involved. I give a bravo. Anyone else?

[QUOTE=CincyGuy123;1634002]Well there has to be SOME providers who don't require references otherwise how will newbies get into the game?[/QUOTE]Sometimes newer providers will take a risk with newbies. That was how I managed to book with the first provider I saw. She screened me pretty soundly first, though. It was literally about 20 questions via text message, and then we finally spoke on the phone for a while before she was convinced that I wasn't LE, wasn't drunk, and was probably harmless.