Seems VCU is ranked high in more than basketball. It's made SA's list of Top 20 of schools for SBs.
[URL]http://wtvr.com/2015/01/15/vcu-sugar-baby-school/[/URL]
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Seems VCU is ranked high in more than basketball. It's made SA's list of Top 20 of schools for SBs.
[URL]http://wtvr.com/2015/01/15/vcu-sugar-baby-school/[/URL]
[QUOTE=GuyWoodson;2333962]You raise a good question about APPs -- you are correct, they are notorious for sweeping up a lod of information from your contacts if you let them, location data etc, and sending them BACK to the APP provider.
I am not sure that I would want SA to know all about my locations and real friends!
It begs the question about is it time to have burner smart phones?[/QUOTE]A burner smartphone isn't a bad idea if you are able to keep it physically hidden from the SO. If she tends to get into your phone or personal business it is probably the only viable option.
As far as the apps themselves grabbing information, if that's a concern choose iPhone over Android and be sure to never jailbreak the phone. Android is much more susceptible to malware. The apps in the apple app store are under much more rigorous scrutiny, Apple won't let them in if they dubiously try to tap into things like contacts and location. Google Play store is a free for all cluster fuck full of potential security problems.
[QUOTE=Rangerover411;2334106]Seems VCU is ranked high in more than basketball. It's made SA's list of Top 20 of schools for SBs.
[URL]http://wtvr.com/2015/01/15/vcu-sugar-baby-school/[/URL][/QUOTE]From the SA link mentioned on the site: [URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/sugar-baby-university[/URL].
"College Sugar Babies receive an average $3,000 per month allowances and gifts from Sugar Daddies".
No wonder so many of these girls have delusional expectations. Then again they don't say on average how many SDs they juggle on average to achieve that income level.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2333547]When I tried to install it one of the permissions it needed was to use accounts on the device for identification purposes. Can I stay completely anonymous with this app? Cannot have it use my phone # since this is my real phone![/QUOTE]I had it on my Droid but took it off. The notifications default to On so when you get a message on SA it vibrates your phone (hard) and you get an icon in the corner like a text but with the SA logo. I figured out how to turn off notifications and the logo pop up went away (don't want anyone seeing the SA symbol on the face of my phone) but the vibrating still happened. Annoying.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2334123]From the SA link mentioned on the site: [URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/sugar-baby-university[/URL].
"College Sugar Babies receive an average $3,000 per month allowances and gifts from Sugar Daddies".
No wonder so many of these girls have delusional expectations. Then again they don't say on average how many SDs they juggle on average to achieve that income level.[/QUOTE]Well, in a way, I understand why SA is using that (likely made up) number. They are advertising, recruiting more SBs, keeping their business running. It's not like they'd attract many SBs if they said "you'll probably be offered $40 to come to some creepy old man's hotel room!" or even "College Sugar Babies receive on average 100-300 a week".
If the number isn't completely made up, then it was most likely obtained via a study that used self-reporting. I can't think of any other way to get that info. Self-reporting would definitely bias it towards the high end. Virtually 100% of those lucky enough to actually get the crazy-high offers will want to brag about it. How many of those makeing 500-1000/ month will feel like bragging?
[QUOTE=Orbits;2334324]Well, in a way, I understand why SA is using that (likely made up) number. They are advertising, recruiting more SBs, keeping their business running. It's not like they'd attract many SBs if they said "you'll probably be offered $40 to come to some creepy old man's hotel room!" or even "College Sugar Babies receive on average 100-300 a week".
If the number isn't completely made up, then it was most likely obtained via a study that used self-reporting. I can't think of any other way to get that info. Self-reporting would definitely bias it towards the high end. Virtually 100% of those lucky enough to actually get the crazy-high offers will want to brag about it. How many of those makeing 500-1000/ month will feel like bragging?[/QUOTE]All fair points. I don't blame them for marketing tactics (which are usually designed by the same people who run the surveys to collect data, perhaps a conflict of interest if anyone really cares about accuracy), but I doubt their study is any more than asking the girls to fill out a form with how much they make, which is guaranteed to be biased toward the high-end. It's sort of a contradiction though for them to say they have 8 SBs for every one SD (sounds like they need more SDs to me, since that's who they make their revenue from). So from that perspective it's kind of a stupid strategy, but you're right if they don't attract SB's they can't keep SD's for very long.
Though my point remains, if girls hear that as an average, 90% of them are coming in with the attitude of "well I'm a lot better than average", so they will start out looking at $3 k a month as a low-end minimum, without realizing that those who make that are probably sucking off at least 3-5 separate SDs once or twice per week.
Ah well, I guess they will figure it out eventually if they want to pay the bills.
[QUOTE=Orbits;2334324]Well, in a way, I understand why SA is using that (likely made up) number. They are advertising, recruiting more SBs, keeping their business running. It's not like they'd attract many SBs if they said "you'll probably be offered $40 to come to some creepy old man's hotel room!" or even "College Sugar Babies receive on average 100-300 a week".
If the number isn't completely made up, then it was most likely obtained via a study that used self-reporting. I can't think of any other way to get that info. Self-reporting would definitely bias it towards the high end. Virtually 100% of those lucky enough to actually get the crazy-high offers will want to brag about it. How many of those makeing 500-1000/ month will feel like bragging?[/QUOTE]Thats why I use SD4M instead of SA. But I am considering giving SA a try.
SA is a much more active forum in my town, where SDFM is slim pickins. It depends on the area I believe.
The hot Girls can easily make $3 K / month by seeing 3 to 5 SDs. But not many do so from one benefactor. They can hook as SBs without ever having to get a pimp, make a webpage, or rent a hotel room. I see my SB 2 hours / week in one afternoon. She can make multiple dinners and service several guys with her spare time and still do homework, play on the hockey team, and go to church.
[QUOTE=Rangerover411;2334106]Seems VCU is ranked high in more than basketball. It's made SA's list of Top 20 of schools for SBs.
[URL]http://wtvr.com/2015/01/15/vcu-sugar-baby-school/[/URL][/QUOTE]On another note. Have a m&g set up with a new pot tonight. She says she is new to the site. I plan on popping her SA cherry.
Ilsf.
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2334404]On another note. Have a m&g set up with a new pot tonight. She says she is new to the site. I plan on popping her SA cherry.
Ilsf.[/QUOTE]You always want to be the first if possible. Then you get to make the rules.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2334470]You always want to be the first if possible. Then you get to make the rules.[/QUOTE]Wish it was December, GPS is rampant. More details in the end of month report.
Went to a so called "underground fetish party" hoping to see some amateur talent last night. Mostly just a lot of aging strippers. But I did see two hopefuls. The dark skinned 5 foot tall mixed asian girl was the hottest girl there (for me). After some alone time with her I decided not to ask if I could see her outside the party. She was a little too professional and lived way too far away.
The second, a fair skinned latina also petite and someone I had seen before at another party caught my eye. She did give me her number and it turned out she already had mine, that I had given her a year ago. She was very sweet and although she has done a couple videos she exuded girl next door charm. These things don't usually work out and normally stay very professional. Which isn't to say I might not have a good time. She lives close enough and she seemed genuinely sweet. I didn't send her my offer yet, but I'm hopeful. So yes, they are UTR at a minimum. And my interest is not on an SB level. I'm just a sucker for a hot non escort advertised girl.
I lost my UTR jamaican princess a few months ago and I would love to replace her. I found her through a CL ad I had posted. That had to end due to the overly professional nature of our encounters and her refusal to upgrade me to GFE.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2334363]SA is a much more active forum in my town, where SDFM is slim pickins. It depends on the area I believe.
The hot Girls can easily make $3 K / month by seeing 3 to 5 SDs. But not many do so from one benefactor. They can hook as SBs without ever having to get a pimp, make a webpage, or rent a hotel room. I see my SB 2 hours / week in one afternoon. She can make multiple dinners and service several guys with her spare time and still do homework, play on the hockey team, and go to church.[/QUOTE]Female business logic is funny. I once met a stripper who was only a few days into her new craft. Even though she was new, yet said she would make over $150 k that year. I have no problem believing that amount for a top notch Vegas stripper, but this girl wasn't in Vegas and wasn't in that league. After talking to her I understood where she got her numbers. She had a couple of nights that were in the $400-500+ range. By her logic, she would be able to do that every night once she got the hang of the job. It didn't dawn on her that her most profitable nights were weekends only, or that she was getting more interest for being new at the club, or that with every passing day she grew a little older and worn and her value would decrease rapidly. She also didn't take into account her total sales didn't account for her club fee or what she would need to account for in taxes, even if she was a magical unicorn and landed $400-500 per night at that particular club.
It's the same with many SBs, they start out with stars in their eyes, disappointment will set in later. Some of those SBs will become full-on hookers, some of them will leave the scene. Some of them don't really come looking for a specific amount as much as a combination of (A) they don't like to work hard and they haven't needed to thus far in life because of their looks and (B) there is an innate female desire to know their "worth". They love to know how they compare to other women, its a game of "how much can I get for my vag". I think after a certain age they subconsciously realize they are no longer competitive with the young hotties, and this is why we see these MILF cougar types with completely unrealistic expectations -- they don't even really want sex anymore and they've mostly given up on reality, so it's become more like a game to see if they can boost their own ego by damaging a male ego somewhere.
I mentioned in my last post that I have been idle for a while and I'm gearing back up. I'm out of the country right now but I'll be home in about a week and so I have been working SA to build a pool of potential SB's to work through as soon as I'm home. After a week or two of emailing and texting, I've come up with 10 viable candidates that have all indicated interest in meeting as soon as I get home. Of the 10,4 are white, 4 are AA, 1 is mixed and 1 is Asian. The average is about 7 face and 8 body (all are petite). One of the white girls and one of the AA girls have already basically agreed to my price point, which is 120. Two of the other AA girls have made statements to the effect that they are looking for modest amount of sugar and are interested in "companionship" as much as financial support. I think they may both end up in the FC at my price or less. The remaining AA girl told me she's had one arrangement and he gave her 400 per week for two meetings, but then they ended up only seeing each other once a week, until he "moved". I will have to adjust her expectations or there will be no meet and greet. I haven't gotten into sugar discussions with the other white girls, but expect that will be tougher sledding. The cream of the crop is 23 and a 9/10. I suspect she can get 200 out of me if that will do the trick (at least once) as I have to have her body. I did a google image search of her SA page that took me straight to her facebook page and a bikini photo that killed me! The Asian girl is very personable, and her "desired lifestyle" on SA is minimal. I suspect she's an UTR girl but she's been fun to chat with, so we'll see where it goes.
My goal is to lock in two new girls who have the right mix of skills and chemistry, at my number, for the summer. If I can also identify one or two BC girls at the same time, so much the better. I suspect some of this crop will drop out before I get through the list or I'll find they have expectations beyond my range, but I feel like I've got a good start to my quest.
Need some advice on how to handle this one. 21 year old pretty hot (7/8) potential. Her text messaging hasn't been great but acceptable. Asked her to meet this coming week and she just sent back a message saying she could bu that she "always brings my twin sister when we meet for safety. Meeting people online makes me nervous. We are incidental twins. Where would you like to meet and what would you like to do".
Thoughts?
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2334120]A burner smartphone isn't a bad idea if you are able to keep it physically hidden from the SO. If she tends to get into your phone or personal business it is probably the only viable option.
As far as the apps themselves grabbing information, if that's a concern choose iPhone over Android and be sure to never jailbreak the phone. Android is much more susceptible to malware. The apps in the apple app store are under much more rigorous scrutiny, Apple won't let them in if they dubiously try to tap into things like contacts and location. Google Play store is a free for all cluster fuck full of potential security problems.[/QUOTE]This site grades apps on how well they protect the user's privacy. BTW is anyone using the SA app on their real smartphone?
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2335227]This site grades apps on how well they protect the user's privacy. BTW is anyone using the SA app on their real smartphone?[/QUOTE]SA seems to works identically with mobile and desktop browsers. This is adequate for me!
Earlier this week, I was contacted by a POT who seemed like she was very interested. Sounded like she needed cash badly due to her situation. Was down for the physical relationship of being a SB. In fact, she was really pushing hard to meet me, wanted to know what she should wear, what I liked, etc.
I arrived at the M&G spot. After the time of the meeting has come and gone, she still hasn't arrived. I go ahead and leave and I text her to find out what happened. She immediately turned judgmental. Judging me on pretty much everything she had learned about me to that point. The funny thing is is that I really wasn't all that interested her, I was just coming to the M&G just in case things were better in person than they had been up to that point. All she did was waste my time, gas money, and burned a bridge. The mentality of some of these girls boggles the mind.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2335227]This site grades apps on how well they protect the user's privacy. BTW is anyone using the SA app on their real smartphone?[/QUOTE]The issues I was speaking of did not entail the SA app itself being malware, it was a general statement about Android apps and the general security issues around them. Of course, SA is not going to intentionally put malware in their app, but all it takes is one accidental misstep from the developer of the app and the door is open for other apps from non-reputable sources to do things with data from the SA app you may not want. The situation at Apple is locked down much better, that's all I meant.
JeezLizard,
I liked your breakdown of the 150 k per year mentality. Stunningly accurate. Then they wonder why they're struggling, with so much "earnings potential".
I disagree on the MILFy perspective, though: I don't think the MILFs are intentionally there to build their egos or put the guys down. As someone who tends to prefer MILFs to the 20-somethings (although I've been making some exceptions to that this year. The 20-somethings are just MUCH easier to land,) the ones who are serious are VERY interested in keeping their SD happy, knowing that he has access to a good supply of 20-somethings who are hungry. The difference tends to come into when you make a $ offer to a MILF. If you're 21, and working at McDonalds, and someone offers you $1 or $1. 5, that's a really big deal. She just made 2-3 days of income, just for hanging out with a guy who's treating her better than her boyfriends have, plus she gets to feel the thrill of being "bad".
Once you're in your 40's, 2-3 days of income would still get their attention, but these are women who will normally be making upwards of 60 k per year, and $1 just isn't as exciting. They expect higher pricing for the same reason that you expect to get a higher salary each year in your job, even though that clearly doesn't apply to the market, here. If you throw out $ or $1. 5 into an early email, it's just not going to be that interesting to her, and she may reject you out of hand, even though it would be a fair representation of her market value in this arena.
On the other hand, girls who are 40+ do not expect to be going out with hot, washboard-abs surfer dudes, either. They won't be in the same condition as they were in their 20's, but you're exactly the kind of guy they would regularly date, anyway. If you have decent game, you can spin it as helping with a few things, while dating a very appreciative lady who makes herself available for you, while honoring your need for discretion. To be honest, it's not that easy to find affair-quality women who won't introduce drama at some point, but if you're in the $1. 5 range, and talk to the MILFs pretty much as you would if you were trying to pick them up on a regular dating site, by the time you're at dinner and they ask about your budget and expectations, $1. 5 will sound more like icing on the cake, plus they will not generally consider trying to replace your spouse or SO, because they have a more practical mindset, and they don't want the arrangement to end. Mind you, this only applies to the realistic ones, who realize that the very high rollers aren't going to be interested in MILFs, so their top expectation is a fairly regular guy who will be interested in them, appreciative of them, and who will add a little sugar to the mix.
So my best approach with them is to simply chat them up exactly as if you were on a regular dating site, politely defer any attempts to negotiation via email "I'd rather discuss specifics in person, after we see if we have chemistry," set up a date and make sure you've gotten their number, play a decent text-game with them with a once-a-day-at-most chatty little "Hey, how'd the _ work out today? BTW, I booked our table for Friday, so we could get the good one, by the window" stuff, and otherwise ignore them, until they try to engage you, then give them your full attention for the 10-30 min it takes her to tell you about her day. By the time you get to the date a few days later, they feel comfortable with you, and, again, you treat it exactly as a regular [URL]Match.com[/URL] date, until they ask you about your experiences on the site, which is your cue to roll your eyes and complain about the hordes of 20-somethings that just don't have a clue what life is about, and then ask her about whether she's found any worthwhile guys so far. The MILFs tend to have less folks interested in them, and they're less approachable, so you have comparatively little competition for her attention, and she has already decided that you're someone she would probably date for free, so that's usually the point at which they are ready to be talked into setting up a second date. When they ask about expectations, you can comfortably float the $1. 5 "for when we reach that stage in the relationship," and then let her talk herself into accepting it, since she's not going to reject it out of hand at that point. MOST of the time, they'll quickly suggest that the second date could include some private time together, "if you're interested". Make sure the second date happens relatively soon (before they lose their nerve,) and you're in.
Okay, yes, that's a lot of "work", but it tends to result in a reliable MILFy SB who's fine at $1. 5 (even if she would've rejected that, up front,) and who won't have a second thought about starting early in the day, and staying overnight for that. One of the hardest parts, though, is finding one that you're attracted to, since the pool of MILFs is much smaller than the pool of younger SBs, but it's already a given that trying to groom a SB is harder than just wandering over to BP, with significantly more return, if things work out well.
And I still wish I had Hollywood's powers to keep a stable of attractive SBs at $1 each, but, for now, I'm on the much lower-numbers and slightly higher-cost list!
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2334867]Female business logic is funny. I once met a stripper who was only a few days into her new craft. Even though she was new, yet said she would make over $150 k that year. I have no problem believing that amount for a top notch Vegas stripper, but this girl wasn't in Vegas and wasn't in that league. After talking to her I understood where she got her numbers. She had a couple of nights that were in the $400-500+ range. By her logic, she would be able to do that every night once she got the hang of the job. It didn't dawn on her that her most profitable nights were weekends only, or that she was getting more interest for being new at the club, or that with every passing day she grew a little older and worn and her value would decrease rapidly. She also didn't take into account her total sales didn't account for her club fee or what she would need to account for in taxes, even if she was a magical unicorn and landed $400-500 per night at that particular club.
It's the same with many SBs, they start out with stars in their eyes, disappointment will set in later. Some of those SBs will become full-on hookers, some of them will leave the scene. Some of them don't really come looking for a specific amount as much as a combination of (A) they don't like to work hard and they haven't needed to thus far in life because of their looks and (B) there is an innate female desire to know their "worth". They love to know how they compare to other women, its a game of "how much can I get for my vag". I think after a certain age they subconsciously realize they are no longer competitive with the young hotties, and this is why we see these MILF cougar types with completely unrealistic expectations -- they don't even really want sex anymore and they've mostly given up on reality, so it's become more like a game to see if they can boost their own ego by damaging a male ego somewhere.[/QUOTE]
I have not had any luck at all lately. I haven't met up with a SB twice since the tilted kilt waitress that I was seeing and I took her for granted. I miss being able to text her and have her come over and play for $120. I had an Ole Miss student message me that she was going to be in town this weekend and would like to meet me. I messaged her and said sure we can grab breakfast or brunch this weekend and do a meet and greet. I talked and texted with her a little and the day before she said I usually require $350 to meet for a date, but since I contacted you first could you give me $200. I said no thank you and good luck. I really wanted a Mississippi baby. Mississippi women are incredible and they redshirt Miss Americas at Ole Miss. Oh well. The game has been frustrating lately and I need a release.
[QUOTE=Grumpyinva;2335432]JeezLizard,
I liked your breakdown of the 150 k per year mentality. Stunningly accurate. Then they wonder why they're struggling, with so much "earnings potential".
I disagree on the MILFy perspective, though: I don't think the MILFs are intentionally there to build their egos or put the guys down.[/QUOTE]My perspective on MILFs as SBs is probably distorted based on what others have reported here in this forum. In terms of SBs, I've never even had or pursued an SB in that age bracket, so I cannot claim first hand experience with older SBs. I just know that sometimes they contact me through the SD sites, and often times the stuff they write regarding their expectations, their limitations, etc. Is so ridiculous that I guess I've formed a jaded view.
For the record, if the early 30's single mom type counts as MILF material, then let me say some of my best fucks ever, and some of the girlfriends I've cared most for fell into this category. The type I was talking about is usually closer to or over 40, and seemingly very demanding in their expectations and their own sense of entitlement for a lifestyle beyond what they've earned via their own talents. In other words they do not have the physical attractiveness of a 20 year old anymore, yet they seem to demand more.
But as I said, I can only judge them based on how they interact with me in chatting, since I'm uninterested in them as SBs. I just feel that a woman that age should have her shit together well enough by age 40 that it is somewhat arrogant to expect to be taken care of, and I feel it's particularly arrogant of them to consider themselves "sugar baby" material. Maybe they are a baby to an 85 year old, but I doubt that's what most of them have in mind. I'm no spring chicken myself, but I'm in great shape for my age and thankfully still physically in the ballpark that many half my age would still consider dating even with no sugar on the table. So, when one of these cougar types who closer to my age contacts me and says something like "you seem like what I've been looking for" or similar, I could almost take offense to it if I tried.
But yes I see where you're coming from about how offering $ to a cougar isn't going to pique her enthusiasm when she's already got a decent job. The fact that lower amounts of money do not grab their attention I believe is one reason they are often perceived as GPS. And, out in L. A. Where HWG reports a lot of these types, I always envision these housewives of Beverly Hills types who are simply career-gold diggers and have never known anything different. As I said I have very limited exposure to that type of SB.
[QUOTE=Grumpyinva;2335432]JeezLizard,
They expect higher pricing for the same reason that you expect to get a higher salary each year in your job, even though that clearly doesn't apply to the market, here. If you throw out $ or $1. 5 into an early email, it's just not going to be that interesting to her, and she may reject you out of hand, even though it would be a fair representation of her market value in this arena.
The MILFs tend to have less folks interested in them, and they're less approachable, so you have comparatively little competition for her attention, and she has already decided that you're someone she would probably date for free, so that's usually the point at which they are ready to be talked into setting up a second date. [/QUOTE]I think this is extremely insightful. I have been generally focused on the 20 ish girls (and probably will continue to be) but occasionally I see one of a more ripe age and think that I should give it a try. I am going to use this approach on the next one!
Didn't copy the whole quote for sake of brevity, but I think your reasoning of the MILF thought process really makes sense (that's a scary thought right there).
[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2335919]I think this is extremely insightful. I have been generally focused on the 20 ish girls (and probably will continue to be) but occasionally I see one of a more ripe age and think that I should give it a try. I am going to use this approach on the next one!
Didn't copy the whole quote for sake of brevity, but I think your reasoning of the MILF thought process really makes sense (that's a scary thought right there).[/QUOTE]He also mentions [URL]match.com[/URL] and skating the fine line between regular dating of MILFs and being a "helper" to them. I would even take that a step further and say that match and other dating sites might even be better than an SD site for meeting hot MILFs. The "helpable" ones will be easy to spot with the income and age requirements they choose when they sign up.
The benefit of finding them on regular dating sites is that there is a good chance that they are still relatively unspoiled. If they are 40+ and signing up for an SD site because $60 k a year in their regular job just isn't enough for them, they've already got a sky-high list of things in their head they are entitled to in life above and beyond what they actually work for. I guess I'm somewhat forgiving of that in a 20 year old, and I just feel like a 40 year old should be past that sense of entitlement by her age, and have grown into a somewhat more reasonable, realistic person.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2336003]He also mentions [URL]match.com[/URL] and skating the fine line between regular dating of MILFs and being a "helper" to them. I would even take that a step further and say that match and other dating sites might even be better than an SD site for meeting hot MILFs. The "helpable" ones will be easy to spot with the income and age requirements they choose when they sign up.
The benefit of finding them on regular dating sites is that there is a good chance that they are still relatively unspoiled. If they are 40+ and signing up for an SD site because $60 k a year in their regular job just isn't enough for them, they've already got a sky-high list of things in their head they are entitled to in life above and beyond what they actually work for. I guess I'm somewhat forgiving of that in a 20 year old, and I just feel like a 40 year old should be past that sense of entitlement by her age, and have grown into a somewhat more reasonable, realistic person.[/QUOTE]JeezLizard,
I have to admit, I have never had success at using the regular dating sites for SBs, though part of that is my own bias. If I'm on an SD / SB site, I figure we all know the score, and I expect that $ will be involved, at some stage. If I'm dating a "regular" girl, and she has emergencies and tries to hit me up for cash, I tend to dump her immediately. I know that that doesn't exactly make sense, given my hobbying habits. I just feel like a girl from PoF or OKCupid is changing the rules of the game if she starts trying to get my cash. However, you're right. If you can identify them, and open with that expectation, it might be a very interesting hunting ground. I hope you'll share if you find good methods to convert them!
I have had success in very limited circumstances on finding an SB in regular activities, though I was 20 years younger at the time, and married. The longest lasting was on a ski trip, where the trip captain was, without a doubt, the biggest be*tch on the bus, but she had absolutely perfect blonde hair down to her waist, and exactly the sort of curves I like. After she managed to offend me and most of the bus (at which point I decided not to take her attitude personally,) I chatted her up, and found that she was in a relationship with a deadbeat boyfriend, made almost no money herself (so they were living with her parents,) and pretty much saw doing those trips as an escape for a free skiing vacation for herself. By the time we were on the way back, she was curled up with me, and sleeping on my shoulder, and we had a daytime date scheduled for the next week. From her attitude and actions, she was CLEARLY a would-be-gold-digger in desperate straits, but she converted nicely into a travel-baby, with only a few "oh my gosh, my truck broke down. Is there any way you can help me with $1" emergencies now and again. As long as we had some kind of day-trip planned (multi-day ski vacations worked well, in the winter, since my wife had no interest in skiing, so they were my escape from the house,) or at the very least a date at a pricey restaurant, she was always DTF, and, despite having my actual contact info from the trip where we met, she never caused any drama for me at home, and we had a fairly regular "thing" for a couple of years. 20 years later, she still touches base with me, although I haven't been as available for her in recent years. Nevertheless, although I've read here about scouting them at wal-mart, I have never had success in that. I tend to either think of it as a regular pick-up when I get a number "in the wild", at which point I'm offended if she starts hinting that she needs cash. I really need to adjust my attitude on that, and stop ignoring potentials!
All good advice here. I guess my desire for a hot MILF will have to be weighed against the ease of getting a young girl and the extra time needed to woo a MILF.
Oh woo is me. I got tired just reading about the approach. But it all makes sense. I am just too spoiled with the low hanging fruit. POF was a total bomb but I only focused on young girls. Already canceled my account there, so I am done with that.
Fot the last 3 months I have ODed on my "tomboy princess" but she is on her period this week so I may try to venture out. I lost the hot 19 year old stripper I was chasing (post #8028). That was a long shot anyway due to GPS. I am still txting with the older grad student / model in post #8033 and hoping to meet her this week.
The approach you put out there is great. I've found that it also works with the younger girls who are more interested in experiences rather than just an allowance. While I have started to discuss allowance prior to the m&g, I've found that it has hurt me more than helped.
If you meet a girl and she would consider dating you outside of the site without the sugar, the sugar becomes a plus. On the other hand, if the sugar gets discussed up front and is too low, if you don't have a chance to show them that they would've gone home with you for free, then the talk of sugar kills things right off the bat.
Much more work. I know. Also this approach is worthless with girls that are only interested in the sugar and nothing else. The major downside though is with the younger girls, some may get it in their head that things will lead to more. I think grumpyinva has it right. A MILF will be more practical in her expectations.
I had to cut loose my redheaded sb1 because although she was a lot of fun, and a great an inexpensive baby to keep around, she wanted something that I wasn't able to give to her.
[QUOTE=Grumpyinva;2335432]JeezLizard,
I liked your breakdown of the 150 k per year mentality. Stunningly accurate. Then they wonder why they're struggling, with so much "earnings potential".
I disagree on the MILFy perspective, though: I don't think the MILFs are intentionally there to build their egos or put the guys down. As someone who tends to prefer MILFs to the 20-somethings (although I've been making some exceptions to that this year. The 20-somethings are just MUCH easier to land,) the ones who are serious are VERY interested in keeping their SD happy, knowing that he has access to a good supply of 20-somethings who are hungry. The difference tends to come into when you make a $ offer to a MILF. If you're 21, and working at McDonalds, and someone offers you $1 or $1. 5, that's a really big deal. She just made 2-3 days of income, just for hanging out with a guy who's treating her better than her boyfriends have, plus she gets to feel the thrill of being "bad".
Once you're in your 40's, 2-3 days of income would still get their attention, but these are women who will normally be making upwards of 60 k per year, and $1 just isn't as exciting. They expect higher pricing for the same reason that you expect to get a higher salary each year in your job, even though that clearly doesn't apply to the market, here. If you throw out $ or $1. 5 into an early email, it's just not going to be that interesting to her, and she may reject you out of hand, even though it would be a fair representation of her market value in this arena.
On the other hand, girls who are 40+ do not expect to be going out with hot, washboard-abs surfer dudes, either. They won't be in the same condition as they were in their 20's, but you're exactly the kind of guy they would regularly date, anyway. If you have decent game, you can spin it as helping with a few things, while dating a very appreciative lady who makes herself available for you, while honoring your need for discretion. To be honest, it's not that easy to find affair-quality women who won't introduce drama at some point, but if you're in the $1. 5 range, and talk to the MILFs pretty much as you would if you were trying to pick them up on a regular dating site, by the time you're at dinner and they ask about your budget and expectations, $1. 5 will sound more like icing on the cake, plus they will not generally consider trying to replace your spouse or SO, because they have a more practical mindset, and they don't want the arrangement to end. Mind you, this only applies to the realistic ones, who realize that the very high rollers aren't going to be interested in MILFs, so their top expectation is a fairly regular guy who will be interested in them, appreciative of them, and who will add a little sugar to the mix.
So my best approach with them is to simply chat them up exactly as if you were on a regular dating site, politely defer any attempts to negotiation via email "I'd rather discuss specifics in person, after we see if we have chemistry," set up a date and make sure you've gotten their number, play a decent text-game with them with a once-a-day-at-most chatty little "Hey, how'd the _ work out today? BTW, I booked our table for Friday, so we could get the good one, by the window" stuff, and otherwise ignore them, until they try to engage you, then give them your full attention for the 10-30 min it takes her to tell you about her day. By the time you get to the date a few days later, they feel comfortable with you, and, again, you treat it exactly as a regular [URL]Match.com[/URL] date, until they ask you about your experiences on the site, which is your cue to roll your eyes and complain about the hordes of 20-somethings that just don't have a clue what life is about, and then ask her about whether she's found any worthwhile guys so far. The MILFs tend to have less folks interested in them, and they're less approachable, so you have comparatively little competition for her attention, and she has already decided that you're someone she would probably date for free, so that's usually the point at which they are ready to be talked into setting up a second date. When they ask about expectations, you can comfortably float the $1. 5 "for when we reach that stage in the relationship," and then let her talk herself into accepting it, since she's not going to reject it out of hand at that point. MOST of the time, they'll quickly suggest that the second date could include some private time together, "if you're interested". Make sure the second date happens relatively soon (before they lose their nerve,) and you're in.
Okay, yes, that's a lot of "work", but it tends to result in a reliable MILFy SB who's fine at $1. 5 (even if she would've rejected that, up front,) and who won't have a second thought about starting early in the day, and staying overnight for that. One of the hardest parts, though, is finding one that you're attracted to, since the pool of MILFs is much smaller than the pool of younger SBs, but it's already a given that trying to groom a SB is harder than just wandering over to BP, with significantly more return, if things work out well.
And I still wish I had Hollywood's powers to keep a stable of attractive SBs at $1 each, but, for now, I'm on the much lower-numbers and slightly higher-cost list![/QUOTE]
Could use some advice on this one.
Been chatting via text with a potential. She's probably about a 7 or 8. Interaction has been decent, nothing spectacular. I invite her to meet up this coming week and she replied back "I would love to meet up, however my twin sister will be coming with me. We are identical. It makes me nervous meeting people from online".
How should I play this?
Mmmm. Twins.
Don't have a wife or SO. I use the SA App. It's cool. Let's you know who is close since you can search via GPS (the real GPS.) I have no problems with privacy since my work phone is separate and I keep those I don't trust on the work phone and my personal phone personal with very few contacts. I figure the company-issued phone only wants the dirt, so they don't care if I schedule a lunch with a close friend on it. My dirty friends have both #s. Of course, I don't have a SO, so YMMV.
Excited to meet my 3 POTS. Report will come soon when appropriate just because all of the awesome help on this thread. None of the POTs have discussed finances. So could all be GPS. Who knows? But like someone earlier said, welcome to the ride of your life? Yeah. Now I get it.
Anyway, anyone use the Burner app? I'm loving it. Forget SA app. The Burner app is where it's at.
[QUOTE=LandonR;2336322]Could use some advice on this one.
Been chatting via text with a potential. She's probably about a 7 or 8. Interaction has been decent, nothing spectacular. I invite her to meet up this coming week and she replied back "I would love to meet up, however my twin sister will be coming with me. We are identical. It makes me nervous meeting people from online".
How should I play this?
Mmmm. Twins.[/QUOTE]You have two plays here. Ditch it. You're going to get rolled. Or you're going to get rolled. Not worth it.
[QUOTE=LandonR;2336322]Could use some advice on this one.
Been chatting via text with a potential. She's probably about a 7 or 8. Interaction has been decent, nothing spectacular. I invite her to meet up this coming week and she replied back "I would love to meet up, however my twin sister will be coming with me. We are identical. It makes me nervous meeting people from online".
How should I play this?
Mmmm. Twins.[/QUOTE]Never tried any two girl action off the SD site. But experienced mongers usually say its a bad idea. I won't meet any girl that wants to bring a friend. Not my thing anyway. But if its yours meet them at a starbucks. And don't go anywhere with both at the same time until you"ve banged at least one of them first..
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[QUOTE=LandonR;2336322]Could use some advice on this one.
Been chatting via text with a potential. She's probably about a 7 or 8. Interaction has been decent, nothing spectacular. I invite her to meet up this coming week and she replied back "I would love to meet up, however my twin sister will be coming with me. We are identical. It makes me nervous meeting people from online".
How should I play this?
Mmmm. Twins.[/QUOTE]Sound like pros or UTR girls to me. A true SB wouldn't involve a friend much less her sister (twin or otherwise) right off the bat.
The only reason this matters is that if she is a pro, it means her reason for bringing the twin as stated is complete BS. I doubt she is too nervous or shy to meet, and if she is that can be overcome by meeting in a public place. Otherwise, who knows what her next excuse will be, "I'm nervous about taking off my panties for someone I just met, maybe next time we meet when my sis is here"?
Best case scenario, sounds like an upsell opportunity for them. If they are pros, even if hiring twins appeals to you, I doubt you will get two girls for the price of one.
I've heard of at least 2 cases of twin sisters working together like this in the past. In both cases all four girls were hardcore junkies.
If you're the adventurous sort, you might want to check it out anyway just to be sure you don't come away wondering what might have been, just be aware of the realities going in.
My own rule is I meet the girl alone or not at all, but that's just me.
Here is the SA blog thread that let to this recent "attention" on our thread here:
[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/blog/sugar-lingo-translated/[/URL]#comments.
What I would suggest, particularly to married SDs or those with a heightened interest in privacy retention, is to simply be careful about "oversharing" information about girls you meet and your interactions with them. It probably goes without saying, but don't share things related to this forum with girls either, no matter how much you like or trust them.
The Internet and "social media" of all forms makes it all too easy to track people down and do something that adversely affects their lives. What usually happens is a thread like this starts out with kind of an underground following, but before long has a much wider audience than would appear by the number of folks posting. There is a temptation to rely on "well we haven't had any problems so far, so there's no reason to believe we will". That almost never lasts. The audience grows exponentially but silently over time and the perfect storm brews all the while.
So, here are my suggestions to anyone who cares to remain anonymous:
1. Avoid posting too much info about girls. If you're reflecting on your adventures or are seeking advice on a situation, edit your post to change their age, change their circumstance, change their city, change their hair color or cup size or whatever.
2. Don't use same or similar name here that you use on other sites / forums or for email addresses.
3. Don't post pics. Of anything. Pics of them you took, pics of them they sent you, pics of yourself, places you've been, etc. That makes it dead easy for them to identify you.
4. Don't assume because she's not a computer whiz she is incapable of tracking you down. There's a high probability that she is fucking a computer whiz who can track you in a matter of minutes, and all she has to do is blow him to get your info.
5. More is not merrier. I do not recommend any sort of collusion or cooperation between brothers (swapping girls phone numbers and such). Even if you trust the folks you are interacting with, you cannot know much less trust everyone they interact with, and in the days of the Internet that alone creates risk. If a girl knows another guy and that guy knows something about your real identity, she may as well have a map to your front door.
6. Don't do anything illegal, and if you do, don't post about it. It is absolutely possible to be an SD and get tons of poon without breaking any laws.
7. Try to think carefully about any information you're posting that makes you or your situation unique and identifiable (I. E. Your job, your habits, etc.). Again, the best way to avoid being a target is to keep moving. Change some story details intentionally (see #1 above) when you post in order to throw someone who may know you off track -- something that has no real significance when read by another brother, but would almost certainly throw off one of your SBs if she reads it.
An example of #7: You take a 23 year old blonde VCU student to Starbucks, then you proceed to the FC. Modify the details: make her 22 or 24 years old, remove the reference to specific school, and just say for lunch instead of Starbucks or coffee. Simple things like that.
If you're in a position to simply not care at all about privacy, then feel free to disregard -- just know that there may come a day when one of these girls creates a website in your dishonor, such that when someone Google's your name, that website will be the first to appear in the search results. Be sure you've carefully thought through what that would mean to your professional and personal life before discounting the value of privacy altogether.
I've had several interesting exchanges recently with girls about allowance. In each case, after a trip the FC, we discussed allowance. The starting point in each case was $800!! I worked hard to remain polite and respectful. Let them know that was above my budget and nothing I could support on a long term basis. We negotiated a "settlement" for the first time meeting and parted ways.
Two of the girls have come back. Saying they really enjoyed the time with me and would work with me on something we could both accept.
I'm glad I stayed composed and respectful. It has ultimately paid off. It was so tempting to tell them off, but that would have served no purpose. GPS is something that they need to cure themselves.
[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2337333]I've had several interesting exchanges recently with girls about allowance. In each case, after a trip the FC, we discussed allowance. The starting point in each case was $800!! I worked hard to remain polite and respectful. Let them know that was above my budget and nothing I could support on a long term basis. We negotiated a "settlement" for the first time meeting and parted ways.
Two of the girls have come back. Saying they really enjoyed the time with me and would work with me on something we could both accept.
I'm glad I stayed composed and respectful. It has ultimately paid off. It was so tempting to tell them off, but that would have served no purpose. GPS is something that they need to cure themselves.[/QUOTE]800 per date? Per month? Curious to know what you finally settle on.
They were asking for $800 per meet. Where do they get that from? $800 goes a long way! If they can get it, they should hang on to it. Why do they need to talk to me. Total BS.
The "settlement" was $300. I apologized that we were so far apart and wished them well. One ultimately agree to $150, the other $200 which I know is high HWG standards. LOL.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2337377]800 per date? Per month? Curious to know what you finally settle on.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2337423]They were asking for $800 per meet. Where do they get that from? $800 goes a long way! If they can get it, they should hang on to it. Why do they need to talk to me. Total BS.
The "settlement" was $300. I apologized that we were so far apart and wished them well. One ultimately agree to $150, the other $200 which I know is high HWG standards. LOL.[/QUOTE]Depends on the quality. I am actually going to raise my offer to some teen super hotties, 9's and 10's only as I am tired of losing them. They would have to be close to perfect looking by my standards. I may only get one or two bites at the apple. But I deserve a treat now and then. I will report if and when it happens.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2335332]The issues I was speaking of did not entail the SA app itself being malware, it was a general statement about Android apps and the general security issues around them. Of course, SA is not going to intentionally put malware in their app, but all it takes is one accidental misstep from the developer of the app and the door is open for other apps from non-reputable sources to do things with data from the SA app you may not want. The situation at Apple is locked down much better, that's all I meant.[/QUOTE]Actually do not want SA to have my personal info -phone number etc. I am in the category who cannot have any personally identifying information floating around even if it is secured.
Just saw this ad in SA from a 18 year old in NC:
"Well, I am going to be 100% honest and play no games. I am looking for a rich man to take care of me, spoil me and buy me any and everything I want. No exceptions, no bitching, no moaning etc. You give me what I want and you'll get what you want. I want a man whose income level exceeds $500,000 a year. I don't play games. I don't fool around. I don't want an old man either. I want a man who is within the age range of 20-45 and no older. You must be in great shape. I don't want some fat, old guy sweating all over me. I may be willing to make an exception if you look good and are in really good shape. ".
Some of these girls do not have clue. Maybe 1/10 of the top 1% earned that? She must have got a F in math.