Top 3 strip clubs around 8 mile?
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Top 3 strip clubs around 8 mile?
Back in the day, there were a plethora of underground strip parties where any and everything went down. There were blowjob contests, sheet parties (cover two people on a chair with a sheet and whatever went on, went on) in other words freak parties. I remember a motorcycle club that used to shoot "filmless" pornos all the time at their club all the time. And who's to say a "bachorless" bachelor party wasn't in order? With the recent restrictions on the Detroit clubs, I think it's time for this trend to resurface. They only died out because these parties usually had a steep cover ($20-$40) and you were then able to get a lot of that at the clubs. I wonder if any seniors would be interested in an I'm invite? For the entrepreneurial minded individual, this could be a gold mine.
Back during the first Gulf war, I was one of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children (USMC). A buddy and I decided to hit the old Brass Key strip club. We were in full dress blues. We did not buy a drink the entire time there. And then it happened: Guys were buying us drinks and lapdances left and right and one of the guys said "These men are going to war, give them something to fight for!" And then the BJs started in the VIP, and then the FS (all free mind you) and then the competion BJs and FS. And then the travel to the Greek Isles and that's when I learned what a BBBJCIMAS was. We walked out at 6 am, as the owner kept the club open gor a "private party. " Now here's the rub, my buddy and I worked in the recruiting station! Damn I miss those days!
The Brooklyn of old that I remember was a petite blonde. She had a tattoo on her back that said her name. That was how I remembered her the next time. Always BBBJ or CBJ available. She offered both.
I've seen pics of "The Old Brooklyn" that shows a brunette with large or man-made mamories.
[QUOTE=KdScott222;2906530]I had the same experience. I never met the Brooklyn of old so is this a different girl or has she just came back and decided on no extras. This girl had blonde hair and was very pretty super nice girl too good convo.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kurse;2925330] And then the travel to the Greek Isles and that's when I learned what a BBBJCIMAS was.[/QUOTE]That's a new one for me. What is BBBJCIMAS?
[QUOTE=Incognito1234;2925806]That's a new one for me. What is BBBJCIMAS?[/QUOTE]Bare back BJ cum in mouth and swallow.
[QUOTE=Kurse;2925330]Back during the first Gulf war, I was one of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children (USMC). A buddy and I decided to hit the old Brass Key strip club. We were in full dress blues. We did not buy a drink the entire time there. And then it happened: Guys were buying us drinks and lapdances left and right and one of the guys said "These men are going to war, give them something to fight for!" And then the BJs started in the VIP, and then the FS (all free mind you) and then the competion BJs and FS. And then the travel to the Greek Isles and that's when I learned what a BBBJCIMAS was. We walked out at 6 am, as the owner kept the club open gor a "private party. " Now here's the rub, my buddy and I worked in the recruiting station! Damn I miss those days![/QUOTE]Great story, but I still thank you for your service.
Stay safe out there.
Daz.
[QUOTE=Mmis90;2925812]Bare back BJ cum in mouth and swallow.[/QUOTE]Typically, that's listed as BBBJCIMWS.
The Hobbyist Ball. Tell your wives and significant others it's a bachelor party. Varying women (all of whom are warned up front that this is a tip only evening. Drinks, chicken wings and all the entertainment we could muster at a "locked door bachelor" party. If anyone knows of an industrial office or property (can't disturb the neighbors), PM me.
[QUOTE=Kurse;2926298]The Hobbyist Ball. Tell your wives and significant others it's a bachelor party. Varying women (all of whom are warned up front that this is a tip only evening. Drinks, chicken wings and all the entertainment we could muster at a "locked door bachelor" party. If anyone knows of an industrial office or property (can't disturb the neighbors), PM me.[/QUOTE]Sounds like an insane time for sure.
Stopped by H8's last night for a drink and have to say it was another lackluster evening. Six or seven girls working an among those in attendance were Sky, Mia, Raven, a black haired spinner girl (sometimes waitress), I think Odyssey and I thought I saw Natalie pop her head out of the back room for a second. Again, I wasn't there long and I didn't partake.
Honestly, the club is spiraling downhill again. It started rocking right after they redid the backrooms but has slowly started circling the drain in their catch 22 situation. If there aren't attractive or at least somewhat attractive women there, the guys won't come in. If the guys aren't there and the girls can't make their bar, they look elsewhere. My opinion is that there are a combination of factors contributing to the downfall right now. The girls seem to either love or hate Jeff, the manager and there's no in between. I understand that he's rude and degratory to a lot of the girls, so that's a detriment. No one want to be treated poorly, regardless of who you are and I'm sure that if a reasonable opportunity comes up for them to go elsewhere, they will. Another thing is the two drink minimum (as I've ranted about previous, you have to buy two drinks for yourself to go back, regardless of how many drinks you buy for anyone else). I know there are some guys that are boycotting the club because of the two drink minimum rule in general. The whole thing is an irritant to me and while I typically bought at least two in the past anyway, it's the requirement that I have to do and the way I have to do it is what irks me the most.
Admittedly, I haven't stopped going to the club my frequency has decreased and when I go out now, it's never the first place on my list anymore and if I partake elsewhere. Which I'll usually do when I'm looking. I find no need to go to H8's after that.
[QUOTE=Kurse;2926298]The Hobbyist Ball. Tell your wives and significant others it's a bachelor party. Varying women (all of whom are warned up front that this is a tip only evening. Drinks, chicken wings and all the entertainment we could muster at a "locked door bachelor" party. If anyone knows of an industrial office or property (can't disturb the neighbors), PM me.[/QUOTE]These parties eventually end up as a heap of trouble. Too many variables, and loose ships sink ships. The charges that can be files are a helluva a lot worse than soliciting. Think having a car towed from a stroll is bad?
[QUOTE=Passenger;2929834]These parties eventually end up as a heap of trouble. Too many variables, and loose ships sink ships. The charges that can be files are a helluva a lot worse than soliciting. Think having a car towed from a stroll is bad?[/QUOTE]It's because of these parties I no longer have any student loan debt. The way it always worked at my parties is you pay for a dance. But if you hit it off. Well, that between the two of you. And the presence of a video camera can lend credence to you shooting a video (which is completely legal).
H8 North Thursday May 26.
I got there around 6:30.
Some of you may remember Mocha, the cute AA girl from LaChambre. She's there now. We talked for a bit and I bought her a drink but I had something else in mind.
Next up was Luna, a tall 24-ish blond with probably b or c titties. We chatted for a while until she was called to the stage.
Then I met Judith who is a bubbly 20-something. Talked for a while and went to VIP for a few dances. I recommend her. PM me if you want details.
I will be back next week to have some fun with Luna. I think she's worth trying out. She reminds me of a tall blond named Delilah from 3 or 4 years ago at Toy Chest.
On a side note. At the end of the night I figured that I drank 6 beers in my 5 hours there. 30 years ago it was ok if we did that and drove home. And even though it adds to the experience, I have to start limiting myself. Or find a straight up brothel.
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On a side note. At the end of the night I figured that I drank 6 beers in my 5 hours there. 30 years ago it was ok if we did that and drove home. And even though it adds to the experience, I have to start limiting myself. Or find a straight up brothel.[/QUOTE]Unless you were buying 40 oz's, those 6 beers add up to 72 oz's. You were sipping an ounce of beer every 5 minutes give or take. Imagine sitting in a bar and not touching your beer for 5 minutes, then saying you should limit yourself to less touches. I question whether its physically possible to leave a bar after 5 hours and 6 beers and feel a buzz. I went into this godawful stirclub a year or so ago with a buddy to check it out, no talent to speak of and this fat dancer sits next to my buddy and they start chatting. Im of the mind to get the F out of this place and hit something else, im down to less than an inch of beer (2 sips if that) in my bottle and my buddy is about halfway done with his. I see him take a swig, then another swig and I realize the F'er isn't even drinking, the amount of beer in his bottle is staying the same and he keeps saying "I have 'this' much left" to drink. I finally had to tell him to quit with drinking like a little girl and get on with it.
So I contemplated stopping at John's last Thursday, but really didn't feel like dealing with the smoke. I drove to the Cricket and I'm glad I did. Place was pretty full but plenty of dancers to go around. Something for everyone's taste. Came in and there's this thicker, older, asian dancer on stage with nipples the size of my thumbs!! Several hot blonds with smoking hot bodies! A couple of younger brunettes and an older brunette with longer hair. Only one thicker brunette that I wouldn't recommend. Tipped a few on stage. Met a thicker blond that I think was named Ellie. Lots of tats but very friendly. Decided to get dances because my phone was blowing up and I had to go. Nice contact in a small room with a curtain. Lots of hand play as I wasn't up for extras. They were quoted but 1. 5 for all but could be talked down. Enjoyed the hand play and finger play. I'll return to try out some others soon.
I am visiting from Chicago. One of my buddys that used to live in detroit told me they have the best strip clubs. Any recommendations of which club I should try out? I want naturally pretty girls with extras to be had. Only here for today and any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
[QUOTE=Pingi5;2934216]I am visiting from Chicago. One of my buddys that used to live in detroit told me they have the best strip clubs. Any recommendations of which club I should try out? I want naturally pretty girls with extras to be had. Only here for today and any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Depends where you are but near the airport Flight Club, further away Penthouse. They generally have the nicer looking girls. BTs, bogarts Henry the 8th and th Cricet are also worthy consideration. What does your buddy say?
[QUOTE=ScrubGuy;2915293]Has anyone ever asked to take video or pics of your backroom antics? I've always wanted to ask for this, but never got the nerve to, "not like they haven't heard much worse in requests" Curious if anyone has ever done this? And how it went for you.[/QUOTE]It seems they let you take pics for a price. I have never asked myself but I had a girl at BT's offer to send me her 'intimate' pics but I didn't want a bunch of Exhibit A's on my phone.
Went to H8 about 4 cause I had about an hour to blow. Grabbed a beer and took a seat. There were quite a few girls in there. 2 skinny AA chicks, 1 thick AA chick, 2 skinny Caucasian chicks, and a bigger Caucasian chick. The one I wanted the thick AA chick came by to see me. Said her name was honey and we talked for a bit. Bought her a drink and we headed to the back was in a rush so I didn't negotiate the way I wanted to so I ended up out of. 80 for CBJ. Next time I'll go for everything. Anybody know what her damage is usually for everything.
[QUOTE=Pingi5;2934216]I am visiting from Chicago. One of my buddys that used to live in detroit told me they have the best strip clubs. Any recommendations of which club I should try out? I want naturally pretty girls with extras to be had. Only here for today and any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.[/QUOTE]My fav is Players.
[QUOTE=CkNice11;2934804]Went to H8 about 4 cause I had about an hour to blow. Grabbed a beer and took a seat. There were quite a few girls in there. 2 skinny AA chicks, 1 thick AA chick, 2 skinny Caucasian chicks, and a bigger Caucasian chick. The one I wanted the thick AA chick came by to see me. Said her name was honey and we talked for a bit. Bought her a drink and we headed to the back was in a rush so I didn't negotiate the way I wanted to so I ended up out of. 80 for CBJ. Next time I'll go for everything. Anybody know what her damage is usually for everything.[/QUOTE]Probably that or maybe 20 more.
This place is the closest to my work so I stop in for lunch on occasion, I don't know why I bother, the girls are all heavy or old and if a dancer worth doing was there, your still out of luck since they took the curtains down in the VIP area. I need to find a new place. At least the burgers are worth eating.
Was in Detroit last week for the first time in many years, and based on reports from this forum I decided to set my sights on Flight Club, as it sounded to be the closest to my taste and budget. I visited 3 times in 2 days, the first day both in the afternoon and then later in the evening, and then my last day before my flight out in the late afternoon. At first I didn't like the idea of valet at a strip club, it wasn't the money, okay it was the money, spending $8 for valet seemed excessive. After a while I the idea kind of grew on me as I was reflecting back to a trip to Houston where I lost my rental car keys in a very large dark club and had to have Hertz come out and rescue me, which ended up being very expensive. The only thing is that I think they should make it just a tip or at least drop it to $5, but it's not a huge issue for me.
The first day I took my time to get a glimpse of the quality of girls, lucky for me they did that "review" lineup where all the girls jump on stage. I immediately had about 3 girls that I would have taken upstairs quickly. Then, one of the girls walks by and acts like she knows me, which is usually just a ploy. It took me a while but it turns out she was a girl that used to work at St. James in Houston, I cannot believe she remembered me. After I got rid of her (because I had no intention of going with a girl that I already know) I made eyes with a pretty blonde on stage, we sat for a while, then went upstairs. The upstairs VIP is one of the coolest setups I have ever seen in a club, it's completely private and comfortable. We got in the room, she started dancing, and then literally after about 30 seconds she asks me what I want to do. The game was on. Make no mistake, playing at this club at any level is costly, but if you have the budget you can have a really good time. That evening I came back to see the night girls and hooked up with a brunette that reminded me of one of the Game of Thrones girls (Khalesse's hand maiden Missande). Same deal, upstairs, 30 seconds then the proposition was made. The final girl was once again, smoking hot, and all three of the girls were different in their looks, I loved the variety. This girl, however, really got into a slow sexy teasing lap dance, lots of touching, grabbing, kissing, etc. We finally finished with a BBBJCIM and I have to say it was probably my favorite session out of the three, but all were amazing.
Basically this club is more like a brothel than a strip club, as the girls don't spend any real time doing lap dances. That's fine if that's what you want, and sometimes I do and sometimes I want to have a slow sexy tease before I get to it. I think it's just a matter of setting the tone with the girl first, which took me a few tries to get the hang of, because bottom line these girls are so hot you don't want to mess up the opportunity to play. Overall I think the club is great, the girls are pretty amazing, both looks and attitude. Bring $$ it's not cheap! This will always be my first stop every time I visit the Motor City.
[QUOTE=JessiePinkman;2935158]Was in Detroit last week for the first time in many years, and based on reports from this forum I decided to set my sights on Flight Club, as it sounded to be the closest to my taste and budget. I visited 3 times in 2 days, the first day both in the afternoon and then later in the evening, and then my last day before my flight out in the late afternoon. At first I didn't like the idea of valet at a strip club, it wasn't the money, okay it was the money, spending $8 for valet seemed excessive. After a while I the idea kind of grew on me as I was reflecting back to a trip to Houston where I lost my rental car keys in a very large dark club and had to have Hertz come out and rescue me, which ended up being very expensive. The only thing is that I think they should make it just a tip or at least drop it to $5, but it's not a huge issue for me.
The first day I took my time to get a glimpse of the quality of girls, lucky for me they did that "review" lineup where all the girls jump on stage. I immediately had about 3 girls that I would have taken upstairs quickly. Then, one of the girls walks by and acts like she knows me, which is usually just a ploy. It took me a while but it turns out she was a girl that used to work at St. James in Houston, I cannot believe she remembered me. After I got rid of her (because I had no intention of going with a girl that I already know) I made eyes with a pretty blonde on stage, we sat for a while, then went upstairs. The upstairs VIP is one of the coolest setups I have ever seen in a club, it's completely private and comfortable. We got in the room, she started dancing, and then literally after about 30 seconds she asks me what I want to do. The game was on. Make no mistake, playing at this club at any level is costly, but if you have the budget you can have a really good time. That evening I came back to see the night girls and hooked up with a brunette that reminded me of one of the Game of Thrones girls (Khalesse's hand maiden Missande). Same deal, upstairs, 30 seconds then the proposition was made. The final girl was once again, smoking hot, and all three of the girls were different in their looks, I loved the variety. This girl, however, really got into a slow sexy teasing lap dance, lots of touching, grabbing, kissing, etc. We finally finished with a BBBJCIM and I have to say it was probably my favorite session out of the three, but all were amazing.
Basically this club is more like a brothel than a strip club, as the girls don't spend any real time doing lap dances. That's fine if that's what you want, and sometimes I do and sometimes I want to have a slow sexy tease before I get to it. I think it's just a matter of setting the tone with the girl first, which took me a few tries to get the hang of, because bottom line these girls are so hot you don't want to mess up the opportunity to play. Overall I think the club is great, the girls are pretty amazing, both looks and attitude. Bring $$ it's not cheap! This will always be my first stop every time I visit the Motor City.[/QUOTE]I thought you said you read the reviews? You never negotiate in the VIP. Always before. I hope you didn't pay more than 1. 20 for everything.
A question for the peanut gallery.
When you're tipping a girl on stage, what do you say to them? I usually just ask they come and see me when they have free time, but I see some guys stand there for what seems like minutes. Do you have any clever one-liners that work?
LaChambre isn't the greatest but I think the night shift and weekend shift are a lot better in terms of quality. Also there is a dancer I've seen there a couple times that looks exactly like Miley Cyrus with better tits whose name is, you guessed it, Miley. She is a sight to see, good dancer and always in demand for dances but I have yet to partake. Sure not a lot of room for extras but I think you can talk some of these girls into OoC experiences once you get to know them.
[QUOTE=Writer;2934990]This place is the closest to my work so I stop in for lunch on occasion, I don't know why I bother, the girls are all heavy or old and if a dancer worth doing was there, your still out of luck since they took the curtains down in the VIP area. I need to find a new place. At least the burgers are worth eating.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JayJay123;2935836]A question for the peanut gallery.
When you're tipping a girl on stage, what do you say to them? I usually just ask they come and see me when they have free time, but I see some guys stand there for what seems like minutes. Do you have any clever one-liners that work?[/QUOTE]I often say "You look lonesome up here all by yourself so I thought I would come visit. Why don't you come visit me when you get done here?
[QUOTE=Mmis90;2935166]I thought you said you read the reviews? You never negotiate in the VIP. Always before. I hope you didn't pay more than 1. 20 for everything.[/QUOTE]I certainly negotiated the amount and what was on the menu before, but not the order in which things happened. As I stated, most of the girls wanted to just jump into the act rather than spend time teasing and dancing a little, that's what I had to get used to "negotiating" before we started, that I wanted to spend some time getting "warmed up" if you will. I kept the $$ within the amounts you and others agree on as the standard, I never pay more than what everybody else does.
[QUOTE=Mmis90;2935166]I thought you said you read the reviews? You never negotiate in the VIP. Always before. I hope you didn't pay more than 1. 20 for everything.[/QUOTE]120 is not the going rate at FC. It's not one of the Hamilton joints or Silver Criket, or BT's, even. The talent caliber is higher, as is the price of everything else there.
[QUOTE=Passenger;2937170]120 is not the going rate at FC. It's not one of the Hamilton joints or Silver Criket, or BT's, even. The talent caliber is higher, as is the price of everything else there.[/QUOTE]I would disagree with you. In fact I would say $120 is towards the high side. Sure there are dancers that think they are worth a million dollars and they might be. But I always have gotten what I wanted for a Benjamin, a drink and a good conversation. It really depends on how you spin things and what you say. As you conversation moves towards discussing price, let them quote what ever they want. I then say your probably worth 10 x times that. Tell them you usually don't do things like this, but they have tempted you. Reach into your pocket and grab a package of a $100 bill and a few singles and let them know that is all you have. Ask them would they like it. Let them know next time you will come more prepared. Rarely have I been told no.
[QUOTE=ZAO22;2935916]LaChambre isn't the greatest but I think the night shift and weekend shift are a lot better in terms of quality. Also there is a dancer I've seen there a couple times that looks exactly like Miley Cyrus with better tits whose name is, you guessed it, Miley. She is a sight to see, good dancer and always in demand for dances but I have yet to partake. Sure not a lot of room for extras but I think you can talk some of these girls into OoC experiences once you get to know them.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input, I'll try an evening when I get the chance.
[QUOTE=Tubes;2937790]I would disagree with you. In fact I would say $120 is towards the high side. Sure there are dancers that think they are worth a million dollars and they might be. But I always have gotten what I wanted for a Benjamin, a drink and a good conversation. It really depends on how you spin things and what you say. As you conversation moves towards discussing price, let them quote what ever they want. I then say your probably worth 10 x times that. Tell them you usually don't do things like this, but they have tempted you. Reach into your pocket and grab a package of a $100 bill and a few singles and let them know that is all you have. Ask them would they like it. Let them know next time you will come more prepared. Rarely have I been told no.[/QUOTE]I'll piggyback this comment but start by saying that I've never been to the Flight Club.
Pussy is a commodity and a commodity is worth exactly what the buyer and seller agree to pay for it, regardless if the backdrop is glitz and glamour or not. Bills have to be paid and obligations have to be met, so when it comes down to it, money is money and it's all in how bad they want or need it.
My angle on negotiations is usually much more straightforward. We have a drink, chat and get to know each other a bit and if it seems we're both interested, I'll lean in and give her my offer of $. If she balks, I'll go to $. 20 and stop there. Either she takes it or leaves it and if she leaves, that's fine, because there's plenty of girls that will be happy to make $. 20 for a few minutes of their time. More times than not, if they walk away, they generally come back around and accept the offer anyway.
Gents,
I'm curious to know what the "fixed costs" are for the different clubs in the area. By fixed costs I mean things like valet, cover charge, table / booth, basic beer (e. G. Bud Light), VIP tax, standard dance, and whether there's a bathroom attendant or not. I typically visit the Coliseum, but have gone to BT's (Dearborn) a couple of times.
Here's what I know of them.
Coliseum.
Valet = $8.
Cover charge = Day=$0, Night=$? (I usually only go during day).
Table / booth = $20.
Basic beer = Day=$3, Night=$7 (for a Bud Light).
VIP Tax = Day=$5, Night=$5 (sometimes $10 at night).
Standard Dance = $25.
Bathroom attendant = Yes.
BT's (Dearborn).
Valet = $7 or $8 (I forget).
Cover charge = Day=$0, Night=$? (I usually only go during day).
Table / booth = $20 (I think).
Basic beer = Day=$7, Night=?? (for a Bud Light).
VIP Tax = Day=$20, Night=$20.
Standard Dance = $20.
Bathroom attendant = Yes.
[QUOTE=Incognito1234;2938376]
My angle on negotiations is usually much more straightforward. We have a drink, chat and get to know each other a bit and if it seems we're both interested, I'll lean in and give her my offer of $. If she balks, I'll go to $. 20 and stop there. Either she takes it or leaves it and if she leaves, that's fine, because there's plenty of girls that will be happy to make $. 20 for a few minutes of their time. More times than not, if they walk away, they generally come back around and accept the offer anyway.[/QUOTE]You can't play the lowball card if your throwing around cash to interview every dancer. Case in point, I was at Players and this blonde sits down and starts chatting with me, one of the first thing she mentions is some dancer fucks guys for 20 bucks and points her out. I'm barely past the name stage so a big red flag pops up. In my mind a girl who's pointing out what she considers a skank won't be doing extra's, the opposite is true when a known provider points out her friends in the bar. Nothing is 100% though. She then asks for a drink to which I say no. I got all the information I needed without spending a dime, had a girl pointed out to me who did extra's and figured out pretty quickly I wasn't going to get extra's from said dancer. Personally I never offer them drinks and the smart one's know that when a waitress comes by and asks if 'we' need anything not to say that she'd like a drink. If your going to stick to a $120 offer, slapping down $10 on a drink for the girl is a sure sign that you'll spend money. Another problem that can arrise is paying for drinks when your negotiating with a girl, she's seeing how much green you have when you go to pay the waitress. One reason to always keep some small bills in a shirt pocket for tipping the girls on the stage and paying for a beer.
[QUOTE=StripperLover;2938515]You can't play the lowball card if your throwing around cash to interview every dancer. Case in point, I was at Players and this blonde sits down and starts chatting with me, one of the first thing she mentions is some dancer fucks guys for 20 bucks and points her out. I'm barely past the name stage so a big red flag pops up. In my mind a girl who's pointing out what she considers a skank won't be doing extra's, the opposite is true when a known provider points out her friends in the bar. Nothing is 100% though. She then asks for a drink to which I say no. I got all the information I needed without spending a dime, had a girl pointed out to me who did extra's and figured out pretty quickly I wasn't going to get extra's from said dancer. Personally I never offer them drinks and the smart one's know that when a waitress comes by and asks if 'we' need anything not to say that she'd like a drink. If your going to stick to a $120 offer, slapping down $10 on a drink for the girl is a sure sign that you'll spend money. Another problem that can arrise is paying for drinks when your negotiating with a girl, she's seeing how much green you have when you go to pay the waitress. One reason to always keep some small bills in a shirt pocket for tipping the girls on the stage and paying for a beer.[/QUOTE]With all of the posts that I've made, I think it should be quite obvious that I'm a veteran at this game and that I'm well aware of how to gather information and pricing. It should also be obvious that if I bought a drink for every girl that stopped by, I'd quickly be broke or spending at least double what I'd planned to spend. I will buy a drink for a girl that I'm interested in doing at that time or possibly, at a future time. If I'm not interested in seeing her at some point, I say no as well.
I don't care if she sees what I have in my wallet when I buy a drink or tip, because my price is my price. She can either take it or leave it and I have the ability to walk away. There's no girl that I can't say no too. If she balks at $. 20, I give her my standard logic. My standard logic is that I explain that $. 20 may seem cheap and that she might find a guy and get $$ or more once and then he doesn't come back to see her, because it's too pricey. I then explain that if we do $. 20 and have a good time, that I'll come back to see her again and again and again (which I do, if it's good) and that over time, she'll make thousands off of me. That speech almost works almost 100% of the time. Even if a girl walks away and says no, she typically comes back later in the evening if I'm still there and accepts.
Angel at the Criket was a perfect example of this. When I first met her, she wanted $$ and I told her that was too much and gave her my speech. She left but came back around later that night and we went for $. 20 and that's been the same price ever since. The only exception to that is that I'll give her a tip if she lets me fuck her in the ass and that's an extra. 2 but I haven't seen her in a while and that last couple times I did, she said she wasn't doing anal anymore because she had a bad experience with a guy and went home bleeding. So, it was back to the normal stuff with her and I and back to the $. 2.
Sometimes, I don't get to the speech part though. Last week, I was at Bogart's and saw Renee (the Drew Barrymore lookalike) there. She sees me up there often and we've just never gotten to the point of going in the VIP, because I'm usually already dealing with one of my semi regulars. Anyway, on this particular night, it was kind of slow and none of my semi regulars were there, so I spoke to Renee as she was passing by. Renee has been on my "to do" list for a while, so I figured I'd just go with it. I pulled her over, leaned to her ear and said "I'll give you $. 20 if you want to go fuck" and she said I can do it for $. 5 and I said no. Then, she said she could do a blow job for $. 2 and I said no. She then said "Sorry, babe" and I said "No problem" and smiled. I wasn't there much longer after that, so whether she would have came back around later and accepted, I don't know. Either way, we both know where we stand and at some point, she may come back around and agree to it. If not, that's ok too. As a side note, I was at Bogart's tonight but I didn't see her there.
I have a tendency to see the same three or four girls on a semi regular basis but I don't get hooked on any of them. There's no flag planted. They know this and I know it. It's just that once I find a girl that gets me off really well and we get comfortable with each other, she knows she's going to see me again at some point. Another benefit to this is that girls talk and that other dancers see this and if we end up going back, they know they can get in on the cash flow at some point too and that makes it easier to negotiate with them too.
In truth, I kind of think of myself as the perfect customer: I'm a regular, there's no hassle or risk of me shorting or cheating them, I'm clean cut, extremely hygienic and have fairly standard menu routine (CBJ or BBBJ, CG, RCG with a K9 finish). The point of this is that familarity has its advantages in more ways than one.
As long as I'm writing this, I'll just post my club review. As I mentioned I was at Bogart's earlier tonight. It was slow and the talent was so-so at best. Veda was the star attraction and the rest of the talent was average. Veda and I talked briefly and she had to go on stage. After she came down, she came over and said she'd be back and went to another table to drink for a bit. I didn't stick around long and left for H8 N. As a side note, I always talk to Veda and we've spoken about going back a number of times but just haven't yet. She's interested and willing and has pointed out to me that she has no gag reflex. I told her I'd heard that she rushes and she said that it's not true. I also told her that I wanted to fuck and that it's hard for me to get off from just head. She would have fucked but nature was preventing things like that for her at that time. She's a "to do" and I'm sure I'll have no trouble negotiating with her.
Anyway, I went down to H8 N and it was slow too. There were a couple of girls that are usually at Bogart's or H8's but I ended up seeing little Ashley. Ashley had gained about 15-20 pounds and most all of it went to her hips and ass but she's lost the weight and is back down to her former tiny spinner self. Standard pricing, standard menu and all was good.
[QUOTE=Incognito1234;2938376]I'll piggyback this comment but start by saying that I've never been to the Flight Club.
Pussy is a commodity and a commodity is worth exactly what the buyer and seller agree to pay for it, regardless if the backdrop is glitz and glamour or not. Bills have to be paid and obligations have to be met, so when it comes down to it, money is money and it's all in how bad they want or need it.
My angle on negotiations is usually much more straightforward. We have a drink, chat and get to know each other a bit and if it seems we're both interested, I'll lean in and give her my offer of $. If she balks, I'll go to $. 20 and stop there. Either she takes it or leaves it and if she leaves, that's fine, because there's plenty of girls that will be happy to make $. 20 for a few minutes of their time. More times than not, if they walk away, they generally come back around and accept the offer anyway.[/QUOTE]Sounds like that would work but it leaves you in a take it or leave it position. Which is fine. If I assume I'm going to get into some negotiation there is a floor to the top amount I'll pay and the bottom amount the dancer will take. Having said that the dollar amount will fall on or between these numbers or nothing will happen. Understanding that the dancer will also want to negotiate and get as much as she can I find it to be more productive for them to throw out a number. If my figure is around a hundred which is towards the low side of what girls get in my opinion. If I offer the hundred they will only counter higher. If they throw out a number first it allows me to do what I have described. I don't think there is a right or wrong, each dancer is different and our personal style of negotiation is what works well for us. From a psychological perspective, I also want the girl to feel she won, not got beat up, they usually perform better. Have fun!
[QUOTE=StripperLover;2938515]You can't play the lowball card if your throwing around cash to interview every dancer. Case in point, I was at Players and this blonde sits down and starts chatting with me, one of the first thing she mentions is some dancer fucks guys for 20 bucks and points her out. I'm barely past the name stage so a big red flag pops up. In my mind a girl who's pointing out what she considers a skank won't be doing extra's, the opposite is true when a known provider points out her friends in the bar. Nothing is 100% though. She then asks for a drink to which I say no. I got all the information I needed without spending a dime, had a girl pointed out to me who did extra's and figured out pretty quickly I wasn't going to get extra's from said dancer. Personally I never offer them drinks and the smart one's know that when a waitress comes by and asks if 'we' need anything not to say that she'd like a drink. If your going to stick to a $120 offer, slapping down $10 on a drink for the girl is a sure sign that you'll spend money. Another problem that can arrise is paying for drinks when your negotiating with a girl, she's seeing how much green you have when you go to pay the waitress. One reason to always keep some small bills in a shirt pocket for tipping the girls on the stage and paying for a beer.[/QUOTE]Of course you don't buy a drink for every girl that sits down. In fact if I'm not interested I don't even have them sit down. But we have to be cognitive of the dancers agenda, to get out ca $h. So the ca $h is like bait, just don't waste it.
[QUOTE=Tubes;2939217]But we have to be cognitive of the dancers agenda.....[/QUOTE]It might help some of the guys to study the difference between negotiating and bargaining. The first is about what is right and is a win-win. The second is about who is right and has one winner and one loser. Choose carefully if you plan on a repeat session.
I'll be the first to admit that I'm in no way an expert on Detroit stripclubs, but I have been around the block so to speak. Quality has been hit and miss, had to turn down many ugly girls to find a decent girl. I was sitting at Players a week or two ago and was talking to a senior poster from this board who pointed out most of the girls who did extra's, the three hottest one's I was eyeing didn't do extra's. I'm not used to that, in the Fkk's there are always a dozen stunners if not more available. Only in North America are there 'stripclubs' where girls only strip, in Europe if a girl wants to make money she goes to a club to fuck. I will say $120 is max I'm willing to pay for 15 minutes of fun, that's half the time and double the money than in the Fkk's.
Now from what I can tell from the Detroit clubs, you've got to be a regular and be seen at the club. Really helps with the negotiations. As to buying girls drinks, I just don't do it. If the girl's after the money in my wallet, she won't act offended when I tell the waitress that we are fine. Last time I bought a girl a drink she pulled down her panties and let me finger her and her friend did the same for my buddy, we even fingered each others girls. But this was in Thailand where girls can be had all night for $40.
Players has been by far the best club, Col and BT's next door are hit and miss. Bogarts and H8 have only had decent talent on one of my visits. Silver Cricket was slow but I haven't made it there on a weekend yet.