[QUOTE=Mmgeg;2936595]I haven't seen Ilapp in god knows how long just like you LOL. Bloomington is so far away ha![/QUOTE]I can make the drive, but Ilapp won't let me thru the gate. Woe is me.
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[QUOTE=Mmgeg;2936595]I haven't seen Ilapp in god knows how long just like you LOL. Bloomington is so far away ha![/QUOTE]I can make the drive, but Ilapp won't let me thru the gate. Woe is me.
[QUOTE=Mwdude;2937776]I can make the drive, but Ilapp won't let me thru the gate. Woe is me.[/QUOTE]Whatever. Hell Ilapp has not been thru that gate in a long time ha ha Doesn't mean he is not the original gatekeeper though. Ha ha.
[QUOTE=Nostra3;2937777]And / or this [URL]https://saa-recovery.org/Meetings/UnitedStates/meeting.php?state=IN[/URL].[/QUOTE]Someone better call the contact for the local group. They may not have enough seats.
[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;2937787]Perhaps I'm the biggest creep but who else was thinking of going to the sex addicts meeting to meet chicks?[/QUOTE]If anyone that reads your post says that it didn't cross there mind, I am calling bullshit. This makes me think of Breaking Bad. Going to the AA meetings to find new customers.
Proudly Signed,
The Biggest Prick in the Yard.
P.S. - I wanted to say the biggest addict in the yard but that would start a chain reaction of argument that would make the MM saga pale in comparison.
[QUOTE=IndyGuy123;2937884]
If anyone that reads your post says that it didn't cross there mind, I am calling bullshit. This makes me think of Breaking Bad. Going to the AA meetings to find new customers.
Proudly Signed,
The Biggest Prick in the Yard.
P.S. - I wanted to say the biggest addict in the yard but that would start a chain reaction of argument that would make the MM saga pale in comparison.[/QUOTE]Feels sort of predatory. Like picking off the sick and injured. I guess we are a wolf pack, on a hunt. Looking for fresh meat. I can smell it! Hooowwwwlllllll!
[QUOTE=Kyussfan;2938495]I'm thinking about taking one for the team. Of course I was also thinking about putting my gentleman's sausage on a mound of glass shards, and bashing him with a meat tenderizer for 25 minutes, while playing "Video killed the radio star" on a kazoo that I've shoved in my ass.
Think I'll go with the second one.[/QUOTE]Eat beans, lots of beans seasoned with bacon. Still seems better than the orange bologna (I haven't asked any of the 8 if there was a guy in there named Orange, either way the previous statement stands).
I'm just not sure when I'll be done. I really can't tell the difference between the fragrance of my shampoo and the smell of hot 21 yo blonde spinner pussy. I know, I know, first world problems!
I had the privilege of spending some time with this lovely lady the other day. She is the real deal. She is honest, decent, likes men and all people, and is a pleasure to visit with. Looks pretty cute, too, and is a lot of fun in the session. No dope, no craziness, no drama, no hassle. All fun and nothing unpleasant.
Nothing else to say.
[QUOTE=Mmgeg;2937804]Whatever. Hell Ilapp has not been thru that gate in a long time ha ha Doesn't mean he is not the original gatekeeper though. Ha ha.[/QUOTE]Exclusive footage of Ilapp at the Mmgeg gate: [URL]https://youtu.be/pWS8Mg-JWSg[/URL].
[QUOTE=Mwdude;2938738]Exclusive footage of Ilapp at the Mmgeg gate: [URL]https://youtu.be/pWS8Mg-JWSg[/URL].[/QUOTE]I picture more of this: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1jnDuPudz4[/URL].
[QUOTE=Untchbl;2938765]I picture more of this: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1jnDuPudz4[/URL].[/QUOTE]Are SO not right lmao.
[QUOTE=Millard;2938717]I had the privilege of spending some time with this lovely lady the other day. She is the real deal. She is honest, decent, likes men and all people, and is a pleasure to visit with. Looks pretty cute, too, and is a lot of fun in the session. No dope, no craziness, no drama, no hassle. All fun and nothing unpleasant.
Nothing else to say.[/QUOTE]An ass. LOL. Thank you for the compliments and please everyone don't jump on him for posting in the wrong forum. Give him a pass since he is from the KY state j / k. A true pleasure meeting.
Oh Lance, DO tell us about the fine time that you had in the great state of Ohio!! I'll buy you a bottle of Prell or Body on Tap for your trouble.
If you're still looking for Time, I've got some I'll give you.
Oh wait. One is a Life, and the other is National Geographic. My bad. Who reads magazines anymore anyway?
[QUOTE=Kyussfan;2938890]Oh Lance, DO tell us about the fine time that you had in the great state of Ohio!! I'll buy you a bottle of Prell or Body on Tap for your trouble.
If you're still looking for Time, I've got some I'll give you.
Oh wait. One is a Life, and the other is National Geographic. My bad. Who reads magazines anymore anyway?[/QUOTE]I could go on and on about it believe it or not. I'll take any shampoo that smells like a mixture of cigarettes and body spray. Little Lance only seems to perk up for that unique combination for some reason (Pavlovian response?). I could bottle it and call it Odeur de Whorestwat. Perhaps a body wash called Whoresbath? For when you want to clean but still be dirty! It's an idea. Needs some development.
I look to avoid Time and if faced with Life, I'm buying Rosetta Stone on my way to Central America. Nat-Geo still have tribal boobs? Perhaps that and that unwashed undershirt I wore in Cincy with what's her name might just get me by while on the run from the T-Rex arm of the law!
Anyone remember a real skinny chick, dark hair with baby damage and summer teeth named Mya? She used to have incall at an apartment in Greenwood near the mall. Well, she was gone for like 5-6 months (probably at Graybar Inn and Suites with other distinguished guests) and now that she's back and relocated to Beech Grove, she won't stop texting me. Don't really want to see her again. Anyone else getting the same problem?
BFDeal.
To how many new members sign up and start posting in the Indianapolis forums right around Memorial Day weekend? I'm seeing a lot of new faces asking a lot of questions. Just thought maybe there's a data nerd in our midst that could do some sort of "Hey, these users signed up, made three posts asking for info on these two providers, and then never spoke again. ".
[QUOTE=FarEastMan;2940336]To how many new members sign up and start posting in the Indianapolis forums right around Memorial Day weekend? I'm seeing a lot of new faces asking a lot of questions. Just thought maybe there's a data nerd in our midst that could do some sort of "Hey, these users signed up, made three posts asking for info on these two providers, and then never spoke again. ".[/QUOTE]The ones asking questions aren't the ones I notice. Most of them will remain clueless for 5 or 6 posts, then they will either figure out how things work or they will disappear.
It's the "This girl is the greatest, I've been seeing her for years, so you can trust me" guys with 1 post that worry me. Especially when the review grossly contradicts earlier reviews.
Here's some basic guidelines:
A frequent, long-time monger who posts reviews, posts reviews, rather than just 1 review.
Seasoned mongers don't make a habit of promoting providers, unless they are exceptional. When they do promote, they are honest about the provider: "if you don't like that body type. ", "she doesn't offer. ", "her in call location is. " They understand, their reputation is on the line, so they disclose the flaws.
Providers, especially those who live on BP, very rarely improve. Entropy always increases. A rare few might kick their drug habit, but most will be back to the needle or the pipe in a few weeks. Except for the cases where a drug habit is involved, overweight and flabby doesn't become slender and toned. A filthy incall in a bad area won't change to an upscale and spotless location.
I assume the "1 post, but trust my review" people are either a cop or a pimp and it's not difficult to figure out which is which. As someone said, I take their reviews with a silo of salt.
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2940902]The ones asking questions aren't the ones I notice. Most of them will remain clueless for 5 or 6 posts, then they will either figure out how things work or they will disappear.
It's the "This girl is the greatest, I've been seeing her for years, so you can trust me" guys with 1 post that worry me. Especially when the review grossly contradicts earlier reviews.
Here's some basic guidelines:
A frequent, long-time monger who posts reviews, posts reviews, rather than just 1 review.
Seasoned mongers don't make a habit of promoting providers, unless they are exceptional. When they do promote, they are honest about the provider: "if you don't like that body type. ", "she doesn't offer. ", "her in call location is. " They understand, their reputation is on the line, so they disclose the flaws.
Providers, especially those who live on BP, very rarely improve. Entropy always increases. A rare few might kick their drug habit, but most will be back to the needle or the pipe in a few weeks. Except for the cases where a drug habit is involved, overweight and flabby doesn't become slender and toned. A filthy incall in a bad area won't change to an upscale and spotless location.
I assume the "1 post, but trust my review" people are either a cop or a pimp and it's not difficult to figure out which is which. As someone said, I take their reviews with a silo of salt.[/QUOTE]Without making this a clinic for Po Po to write better fake ads / reviews (although I think their ads are getting quite good) look for anything out of the ordinary. Things that make you go hmmmm. I agree I've seen some pretty ridiculous reviews lately. Almost so bad that it's ridiculous. Hopefully most of us have a good feel for what seems ordinary and what is out of the ordinary. Stay in your comfort zone and stay safe.
[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;2940972]Without making this a clinic for Po Po to write better fake ads / reviews (although I think their ads are getting quite good) look for anything out of the ordinary. Things that make you go hmmmm. I agree I've seen some pretty ridiculous reviews lately. Almost so bad that it's ridiculous. Hopefully most of us have a good feel for what seems ordinary and what is out of the ordinary. Stay in your comfort zone and stay safe.[/QUOTE]One guy, new or not, can't write enough good reviews of someone to make me go see them. There must be enough quantifying data (from this site or combined with others) to make me a believer enough to contact someone.
I mean, it's very unlikely I'll go see someone because a single senior saw them and posted. I have gone to see someone based off a backchannel offer though, because there's some trust established.
Like you said, it's all about the comfort zone.
[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;2940972]Without making this a clinic for Po Po to write better fake ads / reviews (although I think their ads are getting quite good) look for anything out of the ordinary. Things that make you go hmmmm. I agree I've seen some pretty ridiculous reviews lately. Almost so bad that it's ridiculous. Hopefully most of us have a good feel for what seems ordinary and what is out of the ordinary. Stay in your comfort zone and stay safe.[/QUOTE]Now that the 500 is over with, the SNAP have been removed from the streets and are back on desk duty. Creative writing comes out, when boredom sets in.
[QUOTE=FarEastMan;2940336]To how many new members sign up and start posting in the Indianapolis forums right around Memorial Day weekend? I'm seeing a lot of new faces asking a lot of questions. Just thought maybe there's a data nerd in our midst that could do some sort of "Hey, these users signed up, made three posts asking for info on these two providers, and then never spoke again. ".[/QUOTE]Its better to be thought a fool then open you mouth and remove all dought. That said if I see something that I can add to a discision then I will pipe up.
[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2941097]One guy, new or not, can't write enough good reviews of someone to make me go see them. There must be enough quantifying data (from this site or combined with others) to make me a believer enough to contact someone.
I mean, it's very unlikely I'll go see someone because a single senior saw them and posted. I have gone to see someone based off a backchannel offer though, because there's some trust established.
Like you said, it's all about the comfort zone.[/QUOTE]I have to have seen a pattern over the preceding months. Not something they have been able to pull off so far. Why couldn't they you ask? Because they bust someone and the word gets out, hence no pattern.
[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2941097]One guy, new or not, can't write enough good reviews of someone to make me go see them. There must be enough quantifying data (from this site or combined with others) to make me a believer enough to contact someone.
I mean, it's very unlikely I'll go see someone because a single senior saw them and posted. I have gone to see someone based off a backchannel offer though, because there's some trust established.
Like you said, it's all about the comfort zone.[/QUOTE]I'm right there with you. That's how the SP8 happened. I was in that circle in those days too. A few things kept it from being the SP9 as far as I was concerned. One was just dumb luck as I was otherwise occupied that week. But there was something about the board chatter that didn't sit with me right. I remember thinking, "I'm sure it's fine but I'll wait". Also Pie had told she was trouble but I sort of took as potentially a personal thing after their falling out. So that probably wouldn't have stopped me. I know a lot of guys have their own wooda been SP9 stories. The moral is that when shit goes wrong it's what you learn that matters. But perhaps I am forgetting because recently has been the first time I have hobbied in Indy since that happened.
[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;2941363]I'm right there with you. That's how the SP8 happened. I was in that circle in those days too. A few things kept it from being the SP9 as far as I was concerned. One was just dumb luck as I was otherwise occupied that week. But there was something about the board chatter that didn't sit with me right. I remember thinking, "I'm sure it's fine but I'll wait". Also Pie had told she was trouble but I sort of took as potentially a personal thing after their falling out. So that probably wouldn't have stopped me. I know a lot of guys have their own wooda been SP9 stories. The moral is that when shit goes wrong it's what you learn that matters. But perhaps I am forgetting because recently has been the first time I have hobbied in Indy since that happened.[/QUOTE]Any idea what she's up to?
[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;2941363]I'm right there with you. That's how the SP8 happened. I was in that circle in those days too. A few things kept it from being the SP9 as far as I was concerned. One was just dumb luck as I was otherwise occupied that week. But there was something about the board chatter that didn't sit with me right. I remember thinking, "I'm sure it's fine but I'll wait". Also Pie had told she was trouble but I sort of took as potentially a personal thing after their falling out. So that probably wouldn't have stopped me. I know a lot of guys have their own wooda been SP9 stories. The moral is that when shit goes wrong it's what you learn that matters. But perhaps I am forgetting because recently has been the first time I have hobbied in Indy since that happened.[/QUOTE]With the incident you're talking about. Got a link?
[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2941865]With the incident you're talking about. Got a link?[/QUOTE]Was a May day, 2 or 3 years ago, I have a terrible chronological memory, many mongers were promised candy but got orange bologna instead, a very seasoned and once trusted Boiler fan seemed to be dirty, I doubt there's a link, seems if you've hobbied for more than a few years, you'd be familiar.
[QUOTE=FreeWilly46;2941697]Any idea what she's up to?[/QUOTE]Last I heard, she was trying to play a legitimate accountant role, this was a while back though.
[QUOTE=Bob0324;2941962]Was a May day, 2 or 3 years ago, I have a terrible chronological memory, many mongers were promised candy but got orange bologna instead, a very seasoned and once trusted Boiler fan seemed to be dirty, I doubt there's a link, seems if you've hobbied for more than a few years, you'd be familiar.[/QUOTE]Indy isn't my normal stomping grounds. I've only recently started watching this board because I travel over that way periodically.
[QUOTE=FreeWilly46;2941697]Any idea what she's up to?[/QUOTE]Don't know, lost contact soon after all that.
[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2941865]With the incident you're talking about. Got a link?[/QUOTE]The main link would be FF's "Kandi is LE". Unfortunately it was lost on NR. It was like the first or second Friday or Thursday of 2013. FF bailed several of the guys out in a way only FF would do (any practicing Catholics? Can we submit an application for sainthood with the Pope or something?) Then posted the warning to stop the bleeding. All sorts of posts followed. Accusations flying around. Lots of info and strategy was shared, lessons learned and things got very real on this side of the hobby where it really had been all fun and games previously.
[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2941865]With the incident you're talking about. Got a link?[/QUOTE]SP8 was an IMPD Vice Sting Operation that occurred on May 10th, 2013 at the Country Inn and Suites just off the I-65 Southport Road exit. In case you haven't already cracked the code-- SP comes from Southport and 8 comes from the number of guys who visited the graybar hotel as a result of it.
A local provider named Kandi who was on the now defunct NR was busted by vice. Kandi had managed to carry out several successful visits with local hobbyists before she was arrested and vice. Young and scared, Kandi allowed IMPD vice to take over her NR account and phone.
Once vice was in the possession of Kandi's account, they convinced a local well known hobbyist who had actually visited with her to write a review on NR. For the purposes of this posting, let's call this person MR62.
In the meantime, vice had also been corresponding with another well-known local hobbyist (the aforementioned Boiler Fan) for an appointment. When the arranged appointment with Boiler Fan occurred, he became the second local to be arrested and turn over his accounts to IMPD Vice. Boiler fan wasn't young and should have known better to allow this. They proceeded to write Kandi another glowing review using Boiler Fan's accounts.
So now we have a new young provider with reviews from two well-known hobbyists. And you know how it goes, everyone loves fresh meat.
Less than a week later, the sting was setup and they were reeling in hobbyists at the rate of about 4 per hour until their cover was blown.
The IMPD decoy who stood in the place of Kandi was Officer Tabatha McLemore.
MR62's online reputation was destroyed by this turn of events. But in his defense, he reviewed girls all of the time and was willing to help the new Kandi out. He was not aware that the account was in the possession of Indy Vice, which I believe now.
However, Boiler Fan knew that IMPD had possession of his accounts and knew the review was false and should have warned someone in the hobby community about this. All he had to do was tell one provider. He defended himself by saying his lawyer told him not to contact anyone in the community. But his silence bought 3-4 days of time for IMPD Vice to setup a sting with Kandi's online presence. Lawyers don't always give good advice.
There you have it.
Note to Admin- Not trying to break any rules, just answer a question from a local hobbyist.
[blue]I don't see any violation of any rules. My issue has never been that something like this couldn't happen, I only take issue with guys that say people get busted from the information posted. Getting caught up in a sting and having your phone seized is not the same thing as "oh my god if you write that they will arrest that girl."
You can get caught in a sting on any online site, NR, BP, Us whoever. But that is them putting the cuffs on you when you show up, you deliver yourself to them. Not them knocking on your door from something you wrote here. It's a whole different thing.
Once you move from online to reality the same rules as a boxing ring apply, "protect yourself at all times."
A2[/blue]
[QUOTE=Kevrob911;2942273]SP8 was an IMPD Vice Sting Operation
However, Boiler Fan knew that IMPD had possession of his accounts and knew the review was false and should have warned someone in the hobby community about this. All he had to do was tell one provider. He defended himself by saying his lawyer told him not to contact anyone in the community. But his silence bought 3-4 days of time for IMPD Vice to setup a sting with Kandi's online presence. Lawyers don't always give good advice.
There you have it.
[blue]I don't see any violation of any rules. My issue has never been that something like this couldn't happen, I only take issue with guys that say people get busted from the information posted. Getting caught up in a sting and having your phone seized is not the same thing as "oh my god if you write that they will arrest that girl."
You can get caught in a sting on any online site, NR, BP, Us whoever. But that is them putting the cuffs on you when you show up, you deliver yourself to them. Not them knocking on your door from something you wrote here. It's a whole different thing. Once you move from online to reality the same rules as a boxing ring apply, "protect yourself at all times."
A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Your good friend Lorelei Nixie the psycho provider from Bloomington made it a personal vendetta to make sure that one member of the SP8 didn't get a diversion program like everyone else did. She supplied the prosecutor with e-mails from the monger showing his real identity on the boards from discussions contained in private e-mails. This gave the prosecutor leverage to not offer him a diversion program so he ended up taking a guilty plea instead of trying to fight it. Now everyone knows the whole story, thanks to Lorelei. And Yes he could have fought it and yes it was postings from multiple boards and yes maybe he had a bad lawyer, but it still was because of the psycho Lorelei.
[QUOTE=Kevrob911;2942273]SP8 was an IMPD Vice Sting Operation that occurred on May 10th, 2013 at the Country Inn and Suites just off the I-65 Southport Road exit. In case you haven't already cracked the code-- SP comes from Southport and 8 comes from the number of guys who visited the graybar hotel as a result of it.
A local provider named Kandi who was on the now defunct NR was busted by vice. Kandi had managed to carry out several successful visits with local hobbyists before she was arrested and vice. Young and scared, Kandi allowed IMPD vice to take over her NR account and phone.
Once vice was in the possession of Kandi's account, they convinced a local well known hobbyist who had actually visited with her to write a review on NR. For the purposes of this posting, let's call this person MR62.
In the meantime, vice had also been corresponding with another well-known local hobbyist (the aforementioned Boiler Fan) for an appointment. When the arranged appointment with Boiler Fan occurred, he became the second local to be arrested and turn over his accounts to IMPD Vice. Boiler fan wasn't young and should have known better to allow this. They proceeded to write Kandi another glowing review using Boiler Fan's accounts.
So now we have a new young provider with reviews from two well-known hobbyists. And you know how it goes, everyone loves fresh meat.
Less than a week later, the sting was setup and they were reeling in hobbyists at the rate of about 4 per hour until their cover was blown.
The IMPD decoy who stood in the place of Kandi was Officer Tabatha McLemore.
MR62's online reputation was destroyed by this turn of events. But in his defense, he reviewed girls all of the time and was willing to help the new Kandi out. He was not aware that the account was in the possession of Indy Vice, which I believe now.
However, Boiler Fan knew that IMPD had possession of his accounts and knew the review was false and should have warned someone in the hobby community about this. All he had to do was tell one provider. He defended himself by saying his lawyer told him not to contact anyone in the community. But his silence bought 3-4 days of time for IMPD Vice to setup a sting with Kandi's online presence. Lawyers don't always give good advice.
There you have it.
Note to Admin- Not trying to break any rules, just answer a question from a local hobbyist.
[/QUOTE]For taking the time to bring me up to speed on that. Wow.
[QUOTE=Kevrob911;2942273]
Once vice was in the possession of Kandi's account, they convinced a
The IMPD decoy who stood in the place of Kandi was Officer Tabatha McLemore.
[/QUOTE]I did a Facebook search of this officer and this was the first thing that came up:
Sexual Temptation by Law Enforcement is Not Entrapment.
When undercover police officers, like Detective Tabatha McLemore, catch people trying to solicit the services of a prostitute, they do it by pretending to be prostitutes themselves. They stand on street corners, take long looks at passing cars, and even waive at those that look back. When a vehicle stops, the exchange is fairly standard between the individual soliciting and the undercover officer. The individuals who stops rarely wants to be the first person to bring up the topic of sex, so the undercover police officer is usually the first to bring up the topic directly (presumably so the body-wire that she's wearing can record the transaction). The question that divided the Indiana Supreme Court recently was: does this practice constitute unlawful police entrapment?
When police induce an individual to commit a criminal offense, the burden of proof is then placed on the State of Indiana to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the individual was predisposed to commit the crime in the first place. This is to prove that law enforcement's actions were not the cause of the criminal behavior. In Griesemer v. State of Indiana, the majority of the Indiana Supreme Court held that mere temptation to commit a crime was not inducement. Focusing more what would happen if it held otherwise, the majority stated: "if we were to find entrapment on these facts, we would effectively put an end to prostitution stings. We are not willing to so limit the activity of undercover officers to the detriment of safety and quality of life in many neighborhoods. " Justice Rucker, in his dissent, took issue with the fact that Detective McLemore was the first person to mention money, the first to mention performance of a sex act, and the first to mention trading a sex act for money. In so doing, the dissent pointed out that the State of Indiana has the burden of showing the defendant's predisposition to commit the offense, and it failed. Now, the question has become: what is required to turn a temptation into an inducement?
[QUOTE=Bob0324;2941964]Last I heard, she was trying to play a legitimate accountant role, this was a while back though.[/QUOTE]If my information was correct: I was told she suffered from epilepsy. And had a fatal attack a couple of years ago. RIP Jen.
[QUOTE=Sara8032;2942731]I did a Facebook search of this officer and this was the first thing that came up:
[/QUOTE]Many mongers will likely recall the name as she was involved in the Day of John stings in Indy and was also connected with a case of a Beechgrove Councilman case. Was a bad time if you where into Streetwalkers during that period.
Want to say that somewhere someone had posted a face shot, but if you want to hear the voice and see back of head:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae1rlTGo4ew&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/URL]
Be safe,
-G.
[QUOTE=Garmila;2942743]If my information was correct: I was told she suffered from epilepsy. And had a fatal attack a couple of years ago. RIP Jen.[/QUOTE]I had no idea. I did find her obituary. There is no doubt. She passed last year. RIP Pie, you were my friend.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2942658]Your good friend Lorelei Nixie the psycho provider from Bloomington made it a personal vendetta to make sure that one member of the SP8 didn't get a diversion program like everyone else did. She supplied the prosecutor with e-mails from the monger showing his real identity on the boards from discussions contained in private e-mails. This gave the prosecutor leverage to not offer him a diversion program so he ended up taking a guilty plea instead of trying to fight it. Now everyone knows the whole story, thanks to Lorelei. And Yes he could have fought it and yes it was postings from multiple boards and yes maybe he had a bad lawyer, but it still was because of the psycho Lorelei.[/QUOTE]And this is why I, as well as many others, stopped seeing Lorelei. When all this hit the fan she was pretty much shunned around here. In fact, I had a provider (I think it was Cate) tell me that she wouldn't see anybody that continued to see Lorelei. This just proves the value of sharing intel on these boards. I had several dreams with Lorelei and had no idea she was capable of flipping like that.
[QUOTE=Sara8032;2942731]I did a Facebook search of this officer and this was the first thing that came up:
Sexual Temptation by Law Enforcement is Not Entrapment.
When undercover police officers, like Detective Tabatha McLemore, catch people trying to solicit the services of a prostitute, they do it by pretending to be prostitutes themselves. They stand on street corners, take long looks at passing cars, and even waive at those that look back. When a vehicle stops, the exchange is fairly standard between the individual soliciting and the undercover officer. The individuals who stops rarely wants to be the first person to bring up the topic of sex, so the undercover police officer is usually the first to bring up the topic directly (presumably so the body-wire that she's wearing can record the transaction). The question that divided the Indiana Supreme Court recently was: does this practice constitute unlawful police entrapment?
When police induce an individual to commit a criminal offense, the burden of proof is then placed on the State of Indiana to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the individual was predisposed to commit the crime in the first place. This is to prove that law enforcement's actions were not the cause of the criminal behavior. In Griesemer v. State of Indiana, the majority of the Indiana Supreme Court held that mere temptation to commit a crime was not inducement. Focusing more what would happen if it held otherwise, the majority stated: "if we were to find entrapment on these facts, we would effectively put an end to prostitution stings. We are not willing to so limit the activity of undercover officers to the detriment of safety and quality of life in many neighborhoods. " Justice Rucker, in his dissent, took issue with the fact that Detective McLemore was the first person to mention money, the first to mention performance of a sex act, and the first to mention trading a sex act for money. In so doing, the dissent pointed out that the State of Indiana has the burden of showing the defendant's predisposition to commit the offense, and it failed. Now, the question has become: what is required to turn a temptation into an inducement?[/QUOTE]For what it's worth, this was pulled from a lawyer 's fb page. Hopefully none of us will require his services.
Dave.
[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;2942901]I had no idea. I did find her obituary. There is no doubt. She passed last year. RIP Pie, you were my friend.[/QUOTE]This makes me sad. She was polarizing, opinionated, never afraid to speak her mind, and possibly had more detractors than fans. But she was a fascinating person, passionate, and honest.
[QUOTE=FreeWilly46;2943020]This makes me sad. She was polarizing, opinionated, never afraid to speak her mind, and possibly had more detractors than fans. But she was a fascinating person, passionate, and honest.[/QUOTE]She is quite possibly the only person in the Hobby that I ever really knew. She was smart, funny, charismatic, candid and generally a good person. Life was not very kind to her in my opinion but you would not see that reflected in the way she carries herself. Wishing now that I had stayed in contact. You never know when the opportunity is going to be gone forever.
[QUOTE=FreeWilly46;2942942]And this is why I, as well as many others, stopped seeing Lorelei. When all this hit the fan she was pretty much shunned around here. In fact, I had a provider (I think it was Cate) tell me that she wouldn't see anybody that continued to see Lorelei. This just proves the value of sharing intel on these boards. I had several dreams with Lorelei and had no idea she was capable of flipping like that.[/QUOTE]I hate to be an I told you so kind of person, but. I knew she was bat shit crazy before the rest of you and I caught shit by many white knights for calling her out on it.