The Sugar World

[QUOTE=Dbuys;4617718]With all due respect, if you can't afford the $90 fee. How do you expect to afford the girls on that site? While Hollywood Guy's exploits are legendary for getting girls at $, most girls on that site aren't DTF for $ (even he admits this and he has his screening method down pat and can find it). If you want to play, it's generally in the $$ or $$$ range (or more for the GPS girls).

Further, it's not as simple as sharing pics and numbers. Most of these girls don't view themselves as sexworkers (even though they absolutely are), so if we share numbers and you contact them unsolicited, they'll block you. In almost all cases, they want to be approached initially on the site. Occasionally, you'll find a high volume girl that is wiling to have her info shared, but that is few and far between.

Not trying to be a jerk, just shed some light on why pics (other than profile links) and numbers aren't regularly shared on here.[/QUOTE]So if all that's true why would it matter to you or anybody with sharing the info? Why do you care how much I can spend on a girl vs what I'll spend
On a web site? And if she's going to block me why would that matter to any of you?

[QUOTE=Vegasmatt;4620632]I'm no rookie. I didn't know how unfriendly the posers in this group were.[/QUOTE]Unfriendly? You are asking people you pay their money and give you the numbers they got from the site but then call them unfriendly?

[QUOTE=Vegasmatt;4620635]So if all that's true why would it matter to you or anybody with sharing the info? Why do you care how much I can spend on a girl vs what I'll spend On a web site? And if she's going to block me why would that matter to any of you?[/QUOTE]Have you ever created a profile so you can browse SB profiles on that site? The girls don't list phone numbers on profiles. The only way to get their phone number is to talk to them, and then once they trust you they'll give you their number. It would be a huge breach of trust / privacy to share their phone numbers. That's why profiles are regularly shared here and not phone numbers.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4620411]As with any girl YMMV. So yes, you should avoid her, but someone else's experience might be totally different. Any other guy care to share. I gave her # to more than a few. And will give to a few more soon.[/QUOTE]I originally shared her profile info on here. First time we met for a quick car date and she really didn't even ask for $. The second time we rocked my bedroom. She is a sex freak that loves to suck and fuck.

Besides YMMV, all I can say is like a lot of girls on SA the natural chemical balance between her ears is, well, not exactly in balance. Based on our conversations, while she needs $ the idea of being a "hooker" sort of freaks her out. Kinda weird that she'd likely drop to her knees and totally get off sucking a line of guys but gets skitish at the idea of thinking of her self as a sex worker. Just my 2 cents based on my experience with her.

[QUOTE=MNeiman;4621095]I originally shared her profile info on here. First time we met for a quick car date and she really didn't even ask for $. The second time we rocked my bedroom. She is a sex freak that loves to suck and fuck.

Besides YMMV, all I can say is like a lot of girls on SA the natural chemical balance between her ears is, well, not exactly in balance. Based on our conversations, while she needs $ the idea of being a "hooker" sort of freaks her out. Kinda weird that she'd likely drop to her knees and totally get off sucking a line of guys but gets skitish at the idea of thinking of her self as a sex worker. Just my 2 cents based on my experience with her.[/QUOTE]I texted her a couple of times, but she never responded.

Her phone has been shut off since Wednesday.

Has anyone been in contact with her since then?

[QUOTE=Zimbler;4621290]I texted her a couple of times, but she never responded.[/QUOTE]

Don't expect her phone to be back on for quite awhile. She told me yesterday she owed $325 to get it turned back on. Makes it even all the stranger that she passed up an easy opportunity with me to make a hundy.

[QUOTE=SirStabaHoe;4621305]Her phone has been shut off since Wednesday.

Has anyone been in contact with her since then?[/QUOTE]

I offered to get her a phone no strings attached and she did not want it.

[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;4621657]Don't expect her phone to be back on for quite awhile. She told me yesterday she owed $325 to get it turned back on. Makes it even all the stranger that she passed up an easy opportunity with me to make a hundy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MNeiman;4621095]I originally shared her profile info on here. First time we met for a quick car date and she really didn't even ask for $. The second time we rocked my bedroom. She is a sex freak that loves to suck and fuck.

Besides YMMV, all I can say is like a lot of girls on SA the natural chemical balance between her ears is, well, not exactly in balance. Based on our conversations, while she needs $ the idea of being a "hooker" sort of freaks her out. Kinda weird that she'd likely drop to her knees and totally get off sucking a line of guys but gets skitish at the idea of thinking of her self as a sex worker. Just my 2 cents based on my experience with her.[/QUOTE]She loves sex. But is a bit uncomfortable about getting paid for it. Act like a boyfriend and get it for free, then all you have to pay is the cost of being the BF. lol

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4622077]She loves sex. But is a bit uncomfortable about getting paid for it. Act like a boyfriend and get it for free, then all you have to pay is the cost of being the BF. lol[/QUOTE]She gave me her email so I've been talking to her that way. Feels like it's 1999 LOL. Anyways I saw her again last night. She didn't take any money. Can't figure her out but she loves sex.

[QUOTE=Dbuys;4622563]She gave me her email so I've been talking to her that way. Feels like it's 1999 LOL. Anyways I saw her again last night. She didn't take any money. Can't figure her out but she loves sex.[/QUOTE]And she is pretty good at it as well. Good deal.

[QUOTE=JustMeForU;4608223]Any input as to which Sugar Baby site is the best for Vegas? I cancelled my SA premium because back home it was getting ridiculous for GPS but I'll be in Vegas in a few weeks again so time to start my pre-search! LOL I've had a Secret Benefits account for a while but never bought any credits because I felt there were a ton on fake emails hitting me on there to trick us poor desperate mongers into dishing our hard earned funds to them rather than to a down on their luck deserving working girl. Anyway, I'm going to re-up on SA but what about SB or other avenues for SB's in Vegas? I'm like Hollywood when it comes to budget. Prefer to stay in the $ range but definitely not over $$ unless maybe it's an Asian which I've yet to do. Anyway, feedback is appreciated![/QUOTE]Can't speak to SB in Vegas but in the DC area where I live it sucked compared to SA. I've used SA during Vegas trips for the past 6-8 years. Has worked great, $200 is more realistic, $100 takes some doing. I usually pay more, but also like girls in their mid to late 20's and up, believe some of the younger gals can be had for cheaper, at least per the reports I see on here.

Most of these girls don't care who contacts them as long as they get some money out of it in the end. I share numbers with guys all the time and guys share them with me. And less than 20% ever even ask me how I got their number or what my username is. If they do ask, I make up some bogus story based on what I think will work and I have had less than 5% bust me.

[QUOTE=Dbuys;4617718]With all due respect, if you can't afford the $90 fee. How do you expect to afford the girls on that site? While Hollywood Guy's exploits are legendary for getting girls at $, most girls on that site aren't DTF for $ (even he admits this and he has his screening method down pat and can find it). If you want to play, it's generally in the $$ or $$$ range (or more for the GPS girls).

Further, it's not as simple as sharing pics and numbers. Most of these girls don't view themselves as sexworkers (even though they absolutely are), so if we share numbers and you contact them unsolicited, they'll block you. In almost all cases, they want to be approached initially on the site. Occasionally, you'll find a high volume girl that is wiling to have her info shared, but that is few and far between.

Not trying to be a jerk, just shed some light on why pics (other than profile links) and numbers aren't regularly shared on here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dbuys;4622563]She gave me her email so I've been talking to her that way. Feels like it's 1999 LOL. Anyways I saw her again last night. She didn't take any money. Can't figure her out but she loves sex.[/QUOTE]Ugh. I too tried her a few times and got no replies. I found her Snapchat though. Dammit. How great would it be to get a hot young chick who loves to fuck but won't take money?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/aab301fc-9508-4281-afb5-a524f429f35c[/URL]

So, this isn't normally my thing. I know there's been a lot of talk on here recently about paying for a membership and how it's expensive, etc. Well, I had found this site, as well as a couple others, and made accounts. When I realized I couldn't chat for free, I just said fuck it and left them alone. But I still get emails now and then saying I was favorited or someone checked me out or sent me a message. I check out their profiles and see what I can do about Googling their images. Also, because these sites don't want you sharing *any* personal info (and they monitor closely, including conversations), I try to be slick about telling girls in my profile description about how they can find me elsewhere on social media and stuff. For some reason, many pics on many girls' profiles don't show Google results. Sometimes they do. And it will lead me to a Twitter or IG page. I've had a small handful of girls clever enough to actually find me elsewhere also. Enter Dabberbarbie.

Normally, with an escort chick, I wouldn't mind sharing donation amount or name or whatever. But with her, I won't. I don't think it's a fair representation of things. Just wanted to get that out there first. This girl hits me up on IG, says she saw my profile, and we start chatting. I admit I can't do anything consistent and asked if she'd be willing to do PPM. She agreed and gave me a number waaay too high. I thanked her and tried to just move on. She comes back with asking what I was looking to spend then. I gave a number. She didn't exactly agree. Rather, she continued the conversation and outright started telling me what she was into sexually and asked about my kinks too. It's a rarity, and I never thought I'd meet a girl who was into this, but this girl loved being fisted. Yes. I said that. Fisted. We exchanged numbers quickly and began texting instead. This was this past Tuesday. Got fed up with someone I'd been trying to see recently and getting nowhere, so I texted this girl the next night and asked if she wanted to meet after I got off work. She agreed. Time came and went and I heard nothing, until about a quarter to 1 AM. She fell asleep. Hm. Okay. Well, thought I'd give her one more try for Thursday night. And it worked out.

Went to her house waaay down southwest off Blue Diamond (I'm in the northwest). Very nice house she has too! Cool art, interesting furniture, mood lighting everywhere. We hung around downstairs as she had her dog boarded up upstairs and didn't want him getting rowdy. She has natural blonde short hair but likes to wear wigs just to be different whenever she feels like it. Cool tattoos. Tiny, 5'2", had no makeup on, but damn she was smoking hot. Wore only a light silk black rope with nothing underneath. And her tits are huge for her frame. We sat and chatted for a bit. She went upstairs to get something, came down and her robe was undone, showing everything. She had a bag full of toys and lubes too. She went to check something on the counter, and I walked up behind her and pulled off her robe and groped her from behind. Pulled her head back and kissed her neck, groped one breast, the other hand was getting her good and wet down there. Bent her over a chair and started eating her out from behind. Put a finger in. Then two. Then a thumb in the ass. Dropped some lube on. Got four fingers in. Slowly started inching the thumb in as well. She wanted to switch positions. Got on her back on the chair with her legs up in the air, some more lube, and after a few minutes, I had my big hand in her nearly up to the wrist. Made slow, cautious pumping motions, and she was going nuts. She came so hard that her pussy clenched down on my hand. I couldn't even pull it out. This went on a for a good while. In many different positions. Combination of vaginal and anal insertions, oral, and her using a vibrator on her clit simultaneously. She was a certified freak. Was probably going for a good 30 minutes just me pleasing her. I finally had to ask if I'd get any. She said, "You've pleased me more than enough. You want to fuck me?" I said, "Um, yes!" To my dismay, she ran upstairs to get a condom. Even after conversation about testing and being clean. That was the only drawback. Oh, and I was fucking exhausted after having worked all day and gotten to her house pretty late. She gave some good sloppy head first, spit on my dick and everything. Then I took her from behind while on a couch, then bent over the chair. I couldn't deal with the damn condom anymore and pulled it off and told her to suck my balls, which she gladly did. She asked if I wanted to bust all over her. I asked if I could cum all over her face. She happily accepted. But I wanted more first still to build up to it. Sloppy BBBJ, ball sucking, rigorous handjob, etc. I told her to get on her knees. She grabbed her vibrator and was using it on herself, which caused her to make on O face with her mouth open, and I unloaded all over her face. Even jumped over her head onto the chair behind her. Cleaned up, then sat and talked for another hour and a half. This chick is super fucking cool. But probably makes more money than I do with her work. She's told me she's only really ever had one long-term "relationship" off that site and doesn't get much action otherwise. I really want to see her again, haha. But I admit, she is a little intimidating! But hey, if we get along and share some interests, and she's also a freak and quite open-minded, I'm cool with it all too.

It could've been her having an off day mentally when I took her out. Who knows? She does talk about needing money though, so don't know how much longer she's going to be a freak for free.

[QUOTE=Teratogen666;4623429]Ugh. I too tried her a few times and got no replies. I found her Snapchat though. Dammit. How great would it be to get a hot young chick who loves to fuck but won't take money?[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/242ddef8-f7b5-4e35-9fa3-44c2a18cbe0d[/URL]

Beautiful looking woman based on her pictures. Although I think if you look carefully at her pictures, she isn't 27 or she just has been worn out over the years and probably looks older than her stated age. But in any event, I got her number from a friend (this is a key part of the story here). I reached out to her. Didn't even bother to verify how I got her number. We start chatting and she seems flirty enough. I asked how much she wanted and she said 1 K. I declined and told her that is too much money. Then she goes on a rant about how I am a cheap ass, how she is a Rolls Royce and I am looking for a Hyundai, blah blah blah. Anyway, I say my goodbye and she keeps talking. Maybe she was wanting me to make a counter-offer. But if a woman starts way up there like that, I don't even bother trying to counter because it gets you nowhere.

Anyway, while we keep talking, I am responding to each of her nasty comments toward me about me being broke. Of courser I explained to her that I am experienced enough in many different cities to know what the going rate is for girls (it also helps that most women find me attractive and I look much younger than my real age), so women often are willing to take less from me. But anyway, after all that, I again told her no way I would be giving her 1000 or anything close. That is when she proceeded to try to tell me that I have already developed a "reputation" for being cheap. So I asked her for the proof of this "reputation" and she sends me this screenshot:

I then asked her what that screenshot is all about and she said that it was a report from another girl that I had been talking to that claimed to be a cheap ass and she said she agreed with that and she was going to add her comment to the report. She told me and also the screenshot shows that the date was January 15. I cracked up laughing my ass off upon reading this. And then I proceeded to show her how stupid she was with these following messages:

So here is this little dumb blonde girl who thinks she is smarter than me. She didn't realize that I didn't even ask my friend until Jan 16 for him to get numbers for me. He reached out and gave me numbers the morning of Jan 17 which is when I started messaging this girl and others. Needless to say the girl had no comments after that. No wonder some of these girls need to sell themselves for money. They would starve if they had to rely on their brains to live.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ac37b528-0c6d-402e-8a3f-b18d91f9ff4d[/URL]

Now this girl is a hottie in my opinion. Has that pretty face and nice body look. Could probably pull off the innocent girl look or the nasty bad girl look also. Same way I got her number as my prior story. I reached out and she isn't very responsive but she responds enough to get right down to business. She comes out also at 1 K per date. I politely decline and said that's just too high of an ask. She asked me what I would consider fair. I didn't answer. Then I told her if she wants to get more reasonable, she knows how to get a hold of me. Next day she messages and suggested 500. I again politely decline and said that is not reasonable. Then she goes onto this tirade against me. This is just a small part of it:

Anyway, she went on to say she was going to report me. I said report me to who, your fairy Godmother? I then sent her the screenshot of my friend that I asked for the number from, so that she could see how stupid she was for wanting to report me. And besides, what is she going to report? A burner number that I can cancel and get a new number? A profile that she doesn't even know if that was the one that she gave her number to? These girls are probably bitter because they feel they deserve 1 K for the golden pussies and they aren't getting it so they just lash out. Someone needs to sit them down and teach them economics 101.

Anyway, enough of my rants. Happy mongering guys!

[QUOTE=NdFanMan;4624054][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ac37b528-0c6d-402e-8a3f-b18d91f9ff4d[/URL]

Now this girl is a hottie in my opinion. Has that pretty face and nice body look. Could probably pull off the innocent girl look or the nasty bad girl look also. Same way I got her number as my prior story. I reached out and she isn't very responsive but she responds enough to get right down to business. She comes out also at 1 K per date. I politely decline and said that's just too high of an ask. She asked me what I would consider fair. I didn't answer. Then I told her if she wants to get more reasonable, she knows how to get a hold of me. Next day she messages and suggested 500. I again politely decline and said that is not reasonable. Then she goes onto this tirade against me. This is just a small part of it:

Anyway, she went on to say she was going to report me. I said report me to who, your fairy Godmother? I then sent her the screenshot of my friend that I asked for the number from, so that she could see how stupid she was for wanting to report me. And besides, what is she going to report? A burner number that I can cancel and get a new number? A profile that she doesn't even know if that was the one that she gave her number to? These girls are probably bitter because they feel they deserve 1 K for the golden pussies and they aren't getting it so they just lash out. Someone needs to sit them down and teach them economics 101.

Anyway, enough of my rants. Happy mongering guys![/QUOTE]She did you a big favor. Tummy is not flat, ass is a bit flat and her boobs are hanging.

I have girl # 12's email address for any senior member that needs it. PM me.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e0c97620-69e1-405d-85ce-91e83df74284[/URL]

I'm not having great luck with my 3rd stint as a paid member on SA.

I thought this one would be a gem. Very cute, little chubby but she loves rough sex and was fine taking it bare.

Set up a 5 hour date with her in a few days and I'm REALLY glad I texted her this morning because she admitted she isn't taking birth control. Happy she was honest with me, disappointed and somewhat surprised that she wants to take the risk of getting knocked up.

Not going to say to avoid this one because she's really cute (in my opinion) and I'm sure other BM's would have fun with her, but just be cautious when she says she's fine with taking it bare.

[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;4625373][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e0c97620-69e1-405d-85ce-91e83df74284[/URL]

I'm not having great luck with my 3rd stint as a paid member on SA.

I thought this one would be a gem. Very cute, little chubby but she loves rough sex and was fine taking it bare.

Set up a 5 hour date with her in a few days and I'm REALLY glad I texted her this morning because she admitted she isn't taking birth control. Happy she was honest with me, disappointed and somewhat surprised that she wants to take the risk of getting knocked up.

Not going to say to avoid this one because she's really cute (in my opinion) and I'm sure other BM's would have fun with her, but just be cautious when she says she's fine with taking it bare.[/QUOTE]I've read where some of these chicks would rather pop a morning after pill. Go get her one of those and [B]make sure[/B] she takes it in front of you. Not fool proof, but seems to work for those that use that method.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4625508]I've read where some of these chicks would rather pop a morning after pill. Go get her one of those and [B]make sure[/B] she takes it in front of you. Not fool proof, but seems to work for those that use that method.[/QUOTE]Many girls would rather take the plan b since they don't have to take it every day, unless they are fucking a guys bareback every day.

I don't ask them to take it in front of me, I just casually remind the Vegas girls that they don't have my real name, I don't live in Vegas, and they are 19-20 and they really don't want a kid they have to take care of themselves from a 50 yr old stranger they fucked once in Vegas for 300 bucks.

[QUOTE=HolyStone1975;4625530]Many girls would rather take the plan b since they don't have to take it every day, unless they are fucking a guys bareback every day.

I don't ask them to take it in front of me, I just casually remind the Vegas girls that they don't have my real name, I don't live in Vegas, and they are 19-20 and they really don't want a kid they have to take care of themselves from a 50 yr old stranger they fucked once in Vegas for 300 bucks.[/QUOTE]But with DNA testing for ancestry sites, etc, becoming more and more prevalent, I don't think the time-honored option of vanishing is as foolproof as it once was. LOL.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4625616]But with DNA testing for ancestry sites, etc, becoming more and more prevalent, I don't think the time-honored option of vanishing is as foolproof as it once was. LOL.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Do you really think these girls are smart enough to do that and those sites rely on everyone participating. If no one in my family participates, I am fine.

Honestly, I have never really had an issue with a girl being on birth control or not. If I think they are lying and / or not willing to go get plan b, I will ask if if I can bust on their face or turn the end of the session in to them giving me a BJ and finish in their mouth. I have yet to have an issue and rolled through a bunch of Vegas providers, SA / WYP girls, or casino girls when there and 90% have never asked for a condom, including a handful of high dollar EROS girls.

[QUOTE=HolyStone1975;4625634]Hahaha. Do you really think these girls are smart enough to do that and those sites rely on everyone participating. If no one in my family participates, I am fine.

Honestly, I have never really had an issue with a girl being on birth control or not. If I think they are lying and / or not willing to go get plan b, I will ask if if I can bust on their face or turn the end of the session in to them giving me a BJ and finish in their mouth. I have yet to have an issue and rolled through a bunch of Vegas providers, SA / WYP girls, or casino girls when there and 90% have never asked for a condom, including a handful of high dollar EROS girls.[/QUOTE]About the girls, high-end or otherwise and condom usage. I've only had a single Casino gal initiate the condom activity if I didn't ask.

As far as "these girls not being smart enough, etc. ", I'll just keep basing my activity on risk tolerance, not how stupid I think the object of my risk level is. Hahaha.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4625654]About the girls, high-end or otherwise and condom usage. I've only had a single Casino gal initiate the condom activity if I didn't ask.

As far as "these girls not being smart enough, etc. ", I'll just keep basing my activity on risk tolerance, not how stupid I think the object of my risk level is. Hahaha.

Good luck![/QUOTE]I have had one Eros girl ask and 2 SA girls. Outside that, it surprised me how quickly the EROS girls (who are more often than not actual escorts) have allowed me to go bb and allowed cip. None of the casino girls I have met have ever asked and the two SA girls that did was only because it was their first time meeting someone from the site. I suspect they dropped the request with later people.

I really don't think this girl is too smart though. Her defense was "I've done it before & didn't get pregnant" to which my response was "Congrats. All it takes is one time of you not getting lucky and you're pregnant".

I really wanted to say "Are you an idiot?" but went with the kinder option.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4625654]About the girls, high-end or otherwise and condom usage. I've only had a single Casino gal initiate the condom activity if I didn't ask.

As far as "these girls not being smart enough, etc. ", I'll just keep basing my activity on risk tolerance, not how stupid I think the object of my risk level is. Hahaha.

Good luck![/QUOTE]

Can / will you post a link to any girls you are discussing?

[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;4625828]I really don't think this girl is too smart though. Her defense was "I've done it before & didn't get pregnant" to which my response was "Congrats. All it takes is one time of you not getting lucky and you're pregnant".

I really wanted to say "Are you an idiot?" but went with the kinder option.[/QUOTE]

The link to her profile is at the top of my original report less than 24 hours ago.

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4625834]Can / will you post a link to any girls you are discussing?[/QUOTE]

I'm thinking about a trip to Vegas in February was wonder what the sugarbaby scene is like? What's norm ppm? Any tips on negotiating?

[QUOTE=Dbuys;4622563]She gave me her email so I've been talking to her that way. Feels like it's 1999 LOL. Anyways I saw her again last night. She didn't take any money. Can't figure her out but she loves sex.[/QUOTE]I finally got a hold of her. Going to try to see her soon. She's interested and wants to see me. I only asked for a pic. Just one. She sent me 10 nudes / sexy shots.

I have sugar dated in many cities throughout the US. In my experience, the girls are pretty much all the same. The guys are pretty much all the same (I am not saying that I sugar date guys. I just have spoken with many guys and I also hear the stories from women about them). Here are my observations about Vegas from someone who only visits Vegas for fun:

-Like every other city, there are pro girls, stripper girls, new girls, unsure girls, and pretty much every other type of girl you can think of. One thing I did notice is that the girls appear to be a little more attractive than the girls in other cities. I am sure you guys have encountered those 200+ pound girls who you wonder why they are even bothering? Well I haven't seen any of those as I have perused the site.

-Girls in Vegas often are very blunt about what they require. Most other girls are negotiable elsewhere. But Vegas seems to have more girls who will just lay it out there and say this is what they require. And if you say no, quite a good number of them will wish you luck and move on. I would say about 25% of the girls I have chatted with have been like this.

-Girls in Vegas tend to want a little more than girls elsewhere. You would be amazed at how successful I have been getting girls to 100 in other cities (Yes sugar babies, not crackheads). Even if not 100, I have gotten 150-200 for overnight dates as many pops as I can muster. Guys have asked me before how I can do 8-10 girls in a 4-5 day period and still have the stamina? Practice baby, practice!

-I think many of these girls you can get them for 200-250. You just have to know how to play their game and talk their language. For 200 you can get a cute girl, someone I would rate a 7. For 250 you can get a pretty girl, someone I would rate an 8. And if you want better looking girls, you will probably need to spend 300 or more (probably closer to the more). Afterall you are in Vegas and there is a lot of money. You will see a guy win big at the casino and then go plop down a premium for the girls. The more times a guy plops down big money, the more emboldened the girls will be to demand more money. When a girl says 'I have gotten 500 or 1000' before, she may well have gotten it once. And she is hoping she will get it again. I keep telling guys everywhere that they need to stand firm and all guys will benefit. Case in point, our fellow mongers in Cincinnati OH used to have the girls down to 100-150 a date. And we aren't talking about HH or FH dates. We are talking 2-5 hour dates. I had a SB in Cincinnati who came out and asked me for 150 for an overnight. And she lived in her own apartment, so she could host. The nice thing was that I got a hotel stipend of 100 when I traveled to Cincy. Plus I got mileage and food stipends also. So basically I was staying at her place when I was in town. Used my stipend money and basically got it for free. I miss that girl, but I don't go there too often these days.

I hope my ranting has helped.

[QUOTE=BumbaCloth;4626370]I'm thinking about a trip to Vegas in February was wonder what the sugarbaby scene is like? What's norm ppm? Any tips on negotiating?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Teratogen666;4623438][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/aab301fc-9508-4281-afb5-a524f429f35c[/URL]

So, this isn't normally my thing. I know there's been a lot of talk on here recently about paying for a membership and how it's expensive, etc. Well, I had found this site, as well as a couple others, and made accounts. When I realized I couldn't chat for free, I just said fuck it and left them alone. But I still get emails now and then saying I was favorited or someone checked me out or sent me a message. I check out their profiles and see what I can do about Googling their images. Also, because these sites don't want you sharing *any* personal info (and they monitor closely, including conversations), I try to be slick about telling girls in my profile description about how they can find me elsewhere on social media and stuff. For some reason, many pics on many girls' profiles don't show Google results. Sometimes they do. And it will lead me to a Twitter or IG page. I've had a small handful of girls clever enough to actually find me elsewhere also. Enter Dabberbarbie.

Normally, with an escort chick, I wouldn't mind sharing donation amount or name or whatever. But with her, I won't. I don't think it's a fair representation of things. Just wanted to get that out there first. This girl hits me up on IG, says she saw my profile, and we start chatting. I admit I can't do anything consistent and asked if she'd be willing to do PPM. She agreed and gave me a number waaay too high. I thanked her and tried to just move on. She comes back with asking what I was looking to spend then. I gave a number. She didn't exactly agree. Rather, she continued the conversation and outright started telling me what she was into sexually and asked about my kinks too. It's a rarity, and I never thought I'd meet a girl who was into this, but this girl loved being fisted. Yes. I said that. Fisted. We exchanged numbers quickly and began texting instead. This was this past Tuesday. Got fed up with someone I'd been trying to see recently and getting nowhere, so I texted this girl the next night and asked if she wanted to meet after I got off work. She agreed. Time came and went and I heard nothing, until about a quarter to 1 AM. She fell asleep. Hm. Okay. Well, thought I'd give her one more try for Thursday night. And it worked out.

Went to her house waaay down southwest off Blue Diamond (I'm in the northwest). Very nice house she has too! Cool art, interesting furniture, mood lighting everywhere. We hung around downstairs as she had her dog boarded up upstairs and didn't want him getting rowdy. She has natural blonde short hair but likes to wear wigs just to be different whenever she feels like it. Cool tattoos. Tiny, 5'2", had no makeup on, but damn she was smoking hot. Wore only a light silk black rope with nothing underneath. And her tits are huge for her frame. We sat and chatted for a bit. She went upstairs to get something, came down and her robe was undone, showing everything. She had a bag full of toys and lubes too. She went to check something on the counter, and I walked up behind her and pulled off her robe and groped her from behind. Pulled her head back and kissed her neck, groped one breast, the other hand was getting her good and wet down there. Bent her over a chair and started eating her out from behind. Put a finger in. Then two. Then a thumb in the ass. Dropped some lube on. Got four fingers in. Slowly started inching the thumb in as well. She wanted to switch positions. Got on her back on the chair with her legs up in the air, some more lube, and after a few minutes, I had my big hand in her nearly up to the wrist. Made slow, cautious pumping motions, and she was going nuts. She came so hard that her pussy clenched down on my hand. I couldn't even pull it out. This went on a for a good while. In many different positions. Combination of vaginal and anal insertions, oral, and her using a vibrator on her clit simultaneously. She was a certified freak. Was probably going for a good 30 minutes just me pleasing her. I finally had to ask if I'd get any. She said, "You've pleased me more than enough. You want to fuck me?" I said, "Um, yes!" To my dismay, she ran upstairs to get a condom. Even after conversation about testing and being clean. That was the only drawback. Oh, and I was fucking exhausted after having worked all day and gotten to her house pretty late. She gave some good sloppy head first, spit on my dick and everything. Then I took her from behind while on a couch, then bent over the chair. I couldn't deal with the damn condom anymore and pulled it off and told her to suck my balls, which she gladly did. She asked if I wanted to bust all over her. I asked if I could cum all over her face. She happily accepted. But I wanted more first still to build up to it. Sloppy BBBJ, ball sucking, rigorous handjob, etc. I told her to get on her knees. She grabbed her vibrator and was using it on herself, which caused her to make on O face with her mouth open, and I unloaded all over her face. Even jumped over her head onto the chair behind her. Cleaned up, then sat and talked for another hour and a half. This chick is super fucking cool. But probably makes more money than I do with her work. She's told me she's only really ever had one long-term "relationship" off that site and doesn't get much action otherwise. I really want to see her again, haha. But I admit, she is a little intimidating! But hey, if we get along and share some interests, and she's also a freak and quite open-minded, I'm cool with it all too.[/QUOTE]She is a fun girl. I met her last year. We messaged back and forth, (staying in touch and small talk), for a month before I made my trip out to Vegas. Set up a night to meet at my hotel. Chilled at the bar for a while and then decided to grab some food and head upstairs. Needless to say, we enjoyed a few hours of "dessert", leaving both of us spent and satisfied. It only cost me drinks and food. We stay in touch and will see her again--if she hasn't gotten GPS.

Well I just renewed my Premium SA membership to start shopping for my upcoming Vegas trip. Holy Orgasm Batman. There are a load of 18-21 year olds in Vegas on SA. I've done brief searches before but not really dug into it until now. So fellow Vegas mongers, I'm not asking for any freebie direct contact info, but I would appreciate any links you can share for known $ to $$ 18 to early 20's gals that might be fun. I think I've already checked out most of the recently posted links but may have missed a few. I'm going to start emailing a bunch of them today, but any insider trading info would be appreciated!

She quoted me 500 and wouldn't budge when I said it was too much. YMMV as always.

[QUOTE=DevilsNDust;4626651]She is a fun girl. I met her last year. We messaged back and forth, (staying in touch and small talk), for a month before I made my trip out to Vegas. Set up a night to meet at my hotel. Chilled at the bar for a while and then decided to grab some food and head upstairs. Needless to say, we enjoyed a few hours of "dessert", leaving both of us spent and satisfied. It only cost me drinks and food. We stay in touch and will see her again--if she hasn't gotten GPS.[/QUOTE]

Long time lurker, first time poster.

But this girl made me want to warn others.

Miss Arianna (already blocked on SA).

Is someone you want to avoid, felt like I was cheated out of the $, had asked for fwb and was ok with the amount.

But once here, said didn't do it for first time amd offered a message and tried to upsell.

Got pissed and just asked her to leave.

So watch out.

[QUOTE=ThatguyLV;4629021]Long time lurker, first time poster.

But this girl made me want to warn others.

Miss Arianna (already blocked on SA).

Is someone you want to avoid, felt like I was cheated out of the $, had asked for fwb and was ok with the amount.

But once here, said didn't do it for first time amd offered a message and tried to upsell.

Got pissed and just asked her to leave.

So watch out.[/QUOTE]I've been talking with her today. Now I know to avoid. Thanks for heads up.

I don't know Dbuys personally, but we have chatted recently and he seems like an upstanding guy. Sometimes it's YMMV. Sometimes it's girls who start off in this hobby are sweet and innocent, but they get jaded or worse.

But I would not describe this Starkborn97 aka Punk Girl as named by Dbuys as being sweet or innocent. To me she was a bit bitchy and GPS. Asked her how much she wanted and she said 400. I said that's too much and countered with 200. She said that was an insult as she has gotten more than 200 for a BJ and she has gotten more than 350/400 for more. So I thanked her and said I will pass.

Tried again just in case I might have caught her on a bad day. Nope. Same result. Good luck to her in life if she feels that she will get far having an attitude with guys that she is asking for help.

[QUOTE=Dbuys;4603540][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/682ea7b3-c268-4c84-ac30-d3d6f74ae319[/URL]

If you're into punk / goth girls definitely check this one out. Very nice / sweet and can meet with her for reasonable donation. Very few rules other than no anal. If she trusts you, she is willing to meet at her place. But fair warning, it's not the best area LOL. She does have pierced nipples and tattoos, so if that's not your thing then avoid. Be nice to her please, she's a good one.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/cb4ce795-b6a4-4314-9a6d-671285d961da[/URL]

Very pretty young girl from her pics. Didn't get to meet her because she was all about getting 500 per. Tried twice to talk her down but no go.