The Woodshed

[QUOTE=Admin2;2292756][BLUE]Are you guys starting to see why I have to shut conversations like this down? It's been a couple days, all points have pretty much been heard and now the fractions are starting to identify themselves and specifically attack each other. Get in your parting shots, I'm pretty sure I'll be ending it tomorrow.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]LOL, had no idea the post would get this wild, I'll post from a neutral perspective (Caribbean who's Great Great Grand father was European).

I will repeat what feminist love chanting "My body my choice", she (just as you) have a choice to see who they want to see. Arguing, complaining, blaming, will not change that, and it shouldn't since it is her p*why we're talking about. If you saw me, I would be seen as black, yet I rarely (if ever) ran into the issues AA's supposedly have. I'm fairly articulate, educated, libertarian, dressed right and almost everywhere I go I'm treated like everyone else. I've called providers and after talking a bit tell them I'm Caribbean / black and if it is an issue; I have never gotten a "I don't see black dudes", because I sound educated / nice over the phone.

A lot of the "no AA" ads have a age requirement (30-40), which tells me its not racism, but past experience in dealing with AA under that age in a BP setting, and I say more power to them, safety first. I had girls tell me the AA's would take the donation after the session was over, or even attempt to rob them, they never have this issue with other races (white, hispanic, asian, etc), so in order to avoid that they just screen out AA's entirely or have a age requirement, and being in that position I would have done the same thing.

Like A2 said, we should get back to the main topic at hand, no one comes on USAsexguides to get their mind changed about their way of life, just like how you can't convince some people to stop doing SWers bareback, LOL.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2292756][BLUE]Are you guys starting to see why I have to shut conversations like this down? It's been a couple days, all points have pretty much been heard and now the fractions are starting to identify themselves and specifically attack each other. Get in your parting shots, I'm pretty sure I'll be ending it tomorrow.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]This was originally about providers who don't see AA men. After participating in this thread I am now ok with these providers not wanting my business. Name one of them that is well reviewed and talked about on here often. Then maybe I will feel like I'm missing out. Most of them are 20 something year old uneducated junkies who made too many bad decisions. Ex strippers and party girls turn prostitute. Not even smart enough not to use the same BP pics on FB.

Let's all end this debate and start a new one. How about one that will benefit us all. Name the providers you recommend most.

[QUOTE=Quebec99;2292731]We are not talking about girls who are not attracted to black men. If this is the case, I cannot blame them for it is a preference thing. What we are talking about is girls who discriminate against men of color because they deem us to all be alike; that is, thugs, pimps, gangsters, or criminals. This is what pisses people off. Why? Because some of us have worked very hard to separate ourselves from these negative characters (black or white). It's not fair to throw us in the same category. I bet if they needed a transplant (heart, lungs, kidneys, etc.), they wouldn't be concerned about someone being a thug, pimp, gangster, or criminal. Anyway, I agree with this one thing that you said, it is pointless but not for the reasons you mentioned. Some of us are professionals in our personal lives and we've worked hard to achieve these things and we deserve respect. Most white people even tell blacks to pick themselves up by the bootstraps, go to school, and work hard but when we do, you still want to label us and throw us in the same category as those other punks![/QUOTE]You put it exactly right.

[QUOTE=Fishguy717;2292528]Yeah, I know what you mean. I mean I like seeing the intel there, but have had WAY too many with amazing reviews on The othER site saying they are all hot and stuff, and they are not. They are used to be's. Common thing. The guys are afraid to speak the truth about the girls they see. The just put the same level as the guy before them. I know not everyone does, but enough that I notice. It's a bummer.[/QUOTE]That's because they will censure you a bit if you do post too negative a review over there. You really need to check t see if a 1 reviewed provider's review is by a 1 review reviewer as these gals all try to play that game.

[QUOTE=EaglesSb;2292785]LOL, had no idea the post would get this wild, I'll post from a neutral perspective (Caribbean who's Great Great Grand father was European).

I will repeat what feminist love chanting "My body my choice", she (just as you) have a choice to see who they want to see. Arguing, complaining, blaming, will not change that, and it shouldn't since it is her p*why we're talking about. If you saw me, I would be seen as black, yet I rarely (if ever) ran into the issues AA's supposedly have. I'm fairly articulate, educated, libertarian, dressed right and almost everywhere I go I'm treated like everyone else. I've called providers and after talking a bit tell them I'm Caribbean / black and if it is an issue; I have never gotten a "I don't see black dudes", because I sound educated / nice over the phone.

A lot of the "no AA" ads have a age requirement (30-40), which tells me its not racism, but past experience in dealing with AA under that age in a BP setting, and I say more power to them, safety first. I had girls tell me the AA's would take the donation after the session was over, or even attempt to rob them, they never have this issue with other races (white, hispanic, asian, etc), so in order to avoid that they just screen out AA's entirely or have a age requirement, and being in that position I would have done the same thing.

Like A2 said, we should get back to the main topic at hand, no one comes on USAsexguides to get their mind changed about their way of life, just like how you can't convince some people to stop doing SWers bareback, LOL.[/QUOTE]Holy shit! We got to meet, you just described me and exactly what I do.

OS 1971 Immigrant small wooden raft and a bottle of rum, that's how I got here.

[QUOTE=DogboyJax;2292161] "Believing that all members of a race share the same characteristics is the definition of racism"
Denying that these providers are racist because they have a reason for their racism makes you sound ignorant and racist. [/QUOTE]Not to make you sound ignorant and racist but. NO! What you defined is STEREOTYPING Which is exactly what you are doing in your post, stereotyping any provider that refuses to serve AA males as a racist.

AND USING THE WRONG DEFINITIONS to do it! JEEZE.

Rac·ism -The belief that a particular race is superior to another. -having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.

Pretty simple, Please read and understand those words. It is not racist to refuse service to another race, it is RACIST to refuse service because you think your RACE is superior to the race you refuse service to.

And since the last sentence in your post was.

[QUOTE=DogboyJax;2292161]"That said, why does anyone give a shit if the providers are racist? On average, the providers are some of the dumbest, least educated, least skilled, least influential, and most powerless members of society. They are almost all habitually addicted to drugs. They make their living (such as it is) through criminal activity.[/QUOTE]We can assume, though you don't meet the criteria for being a racist yourself (at least not in this thread), you are certainly coming off as bigoted and very willing to stereotype when it suits you.

BIGOTED. Having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.

YOU WERE MAKING A POINT, I agree, BUT USING THE WRONG WORDS AND DEFINITIONS TO DO IT. YOU WERE CLOSE BUT DIDN'T EVER QUITE MAKE IT.

THE GIRLS ON BACKPAGE ARE RACIAL PROFILING! See, they are racially profiling the AA men by making the assumption THAT since some AA men, boys really, ARE THUGGISH and a real risk to their personal safety, probably MOST are. So now. At least you know what to call it when you complain about it.

And. NO I don't agree with racial profiling any more than I can stand a bigot or a racist. But I also don't blame someone / ANYONE for putting their personal safety ABOVE any concern they may have about a desperate group of MONGERS (US! Whining and crying about their "racist" ads on backpage.

RANT OFF.

[QUOTE=DogboyJax;2292161]I haven't heard anyone say that the providers don't have the right to sell it (or not sell it) to whoever they choose. So the real controversy here is whether it's "racist" for them to advertise that they will not see AA men. OF COURSE IT IS. The providers are saying in essence that for whatever reason -- whether because they were ripped off or beaten by an AA man or because they grew up with parents who wore white hoods on the weekend -- they believe all AA men are cheap, dangerous, or whatever. Believing that all members of a race share the same characteistics is the definition of racism regardless of WHY you believe that. Denying that these providers are racist because they have a reason for their racism makes you sound ignorant and racist.

That said, why does anyone give a shit if the providers are racist? On average, the providers are some of the dumbest, least educated, least skilled, least influential, and most powerless members of society. They are almost all habitually addicted to drugs. They make their living (such as it is) through criminal activity. It makes you sound petty and race-obsessed to complain about the stupid attitudes and biases of such people.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldSchool;2293082]Holy shit! We got to meet, you just described me and exactly what I do.

OS 1971 Immigrant small wooden raft and a bottle of rum, that's how I got here.[/QUOTE]You from the islands too! Nice.

Its amazing when you say you are from the Caribbean, its like "come on in".

[QUOTE=MudslideSlim;2293847]Not to make you sound ignorant and racist but. NO! What you defined is STEREOTYPING Which is exactly what you are doing in your post, stereotyping any provider that refuses to serve AA males as a racist.

AND USING THE WRONG DEFINITIONS to do it! JEEZE.

Racism -The belief that a particular race is superior to another. -having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.

Pretty simple, Please read and understand those words. It is not racist to refuse service to another race, it is RACIST to refuse service because you think your RACE is superior to the race you refuse service to.

And since the last sentence in your post was.

We can assume, though you don't meet the criteria for being a racist yourself (at least not in this thread), you are certainly coming off as bigoted and very willing to stereotype when it suits you.

BIGOTED. Having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.

YOU WERE MAKING A POINT, I agree, BUT USING THE WRONG WORDS AND DEFINITIONS TO DO IT. YOU WERE CLOSE BUT DIDN'T EVER QUITE MAKE IT.

THE GIRLS ON BACKPAGE ARE RACIAL PROFILING! See, they are racially profiling the AA men by making the assumption THAT since some AA men, boys really, ARE THUGGISH and a real risk to their personal safety, probably MOST are. So now. At least you know what to call it when you complain about it.

And. NO I don't agree with racial profiling any more than I can stand a bigot or a racist. But I also don't blame someone / ANYONE for putting their personal safety ABOVE any concern they may have about a desperate group of MONGERS (US! Whining and crying about their "racist" ads on backpage.

RANT OFF.[/QUOTE]I'm not white, but I like to get in my car & drive faster than other people & hopefully beat them to the next light. That must mean I'm racist. Anybody up for a quarter mile?

[QUOTE=ScottBon1230;2294249]I'm not white, but I like to get in my car & drive faster than other people & hopefully beat them to the next light. That must mean I'm racist. Anybody up for a quarter mile?[/QUOTE]Ok. Before A2 pulls the plug can we be done with this discussion? I'm an American African (AA) man myself and welcome any and all discussions on these topics but for the life of me I've missed how any of it has helped any of us get laid. And for those non-SEC football fans who don't know what my version of AA means, my Dad was American and my Mum African and I was conceived and born in South Africa. Let's go out and get sucked and fucked, shall we!

[quote=scottbon1230;2294249]i'm not white, but i like to get in my car & drive faster than other people & hopefully beat them to the next light. That must mean i'm racist. Anybody up for a quarter mile?[/quote]beauty. Well said!

I have seen ads by AA women which say "no white men", and others also by AA women which say "no AA men". Very few of these ads, however.

I had a guy come in off the street to where I work and said "I seen where you are hiring" he had in pants hanging under his ass, a ball cap angled sideways and a t shirt twice the size it should be. He then says to me, let me AX youse a question, do you all have something I can do. I said no walking, talking and looking like you do, this is a place of business, not a street corner. Am I a racist? Oh before you answer, the dude was white. I have worked with several professional articulate and good work ethic AA- both men and women. I have worked with some that weren't. Both black and white. Thugs are thugs, color doesn't matter. You dress like, talk like, walk like a thug, there is no business going to hire you. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Luknaround;2295146]I had a guy come in off the street to where I work and said "I seen where you are hiring" he had in pants hanging under his ass, a ball cap angled sideways and a t shirt twice the size it should be. He then says to me, let me AX youse a question, do you all have something I can do. I said no walking, talking and looking like you do, this is a place of business, not a street corner. Am I a racist? Oh before you answer, the dude was white. I have worked with several professional articulate and good work ethic AA- both men and women. I have worked with some that weren't. Both black and white. Thugs are thugs, color doesn't matter. You dress like, talk like, walk like a thug, there is no business going to hire you. Just saying.[/QUOTE]People should be judged by who they are not what other people in their groups do or what they are. I have no gold teeth, college grad, articulate, professional, dress well, polite, a gentleman, not a pimp or thug, etc. Judge me based on these qualities. Tell you the truth, I think a lot of ladies don't see men of color because they tend to not want to give up as much money as the counterpart. This is one of the main factors besides acting like a gangster. Again, if I were a provider, I wouldn't see any AA men under 40. White gents under 30. It's all about screening.