Terra Sancta in Baltimore

AIDS Among Prostitutes Not as Prevalent as Believed, Studies Show

LEAD: AIDS testing of female prostitutes and their customers - groups under close scrutiny as potential spreaders of the deadly disease among heterosexuals - indicates that infection among prostitutes is not as widespread as some experts had expected.

AIDS testing of female prostitutes and their customers - groups under close scrutiny as potential spreaders of the deadly disease among heterosexuals - indicates that infection among prostitutes is not as widespread as some experts had expected.

Tests of 1,829 prostitutes in three studies in New York City and in a national study in eight other areas found that 12 percent of those tested had the antibodies to the virus believed to cause acquired immune deficiency syndrome, and that most of those women were intravenous drug users.

An equally important finding is the scant evidence of female prostitutes' passing the AIDS virus to their customers. Two studies that tested 627 such men in New York City found only three cases in which the virus was thought likely to have been caught from a prostitute.

''I don't know of any proven cases'' of female prostitutes infecting clients, said Dr. William W. Darrow, an AIDS epidemiology official at the Federal Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta. Dr. Darrow oversees the Federal survey, which will soon begin recruiting male customers of prostitutes for testing.

Researchers believe that the sharing of contaminated needles to inject drugs - not sexual contacts with multiple partners - is the main source of AIDS among prostitutes. In the Federal study, researchers found a high correlation between drug use and AIDS; 80 percent of the infected prostitutes said they used drugs or had visible needle tracks. Lower Infection Rates

''The major risk factors for prostitutes are being intravenous drug users, or sex partners of drug users,'' said Dr. Rand Stoneburner, the New York City Health Department's director of AIDS research.

Although health officials are still concerned about AIDS among prostitutes, some had feared the problem was greater than the latest studies show, in light of the frequent sexual contacts by prostitutes and their exposure to sexually transmitted diseases. Indeed, the AIDS infection rates for prostitutes are lower than for other groups regarded as being at high risk. Some surveys of homosexual men and intravenous drug addicts have found 50 percent or more to be infected.

Researchers are uncertain why more prostitutes do not seem to be infected, a question that reflects the larger mystery of why sexual transmission of AIDS has been so much lower among heterosexuals than homosexuals in this country.

The researchers note that the findings seem to reflect the national rate of heterosexual transmission, which is lower than in Africa and the Caribbean. In Kenya, for example, a recent study of 1,000 prostitutes in Nairobi found that 85 percent were infected with the AIDS virus. Most heterosexual AIDS cases in this country occur among women having intercourse with needle-using men and among immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean. Condoms Required

Another crucial factor may be in the sexual practices of prostitutes. Most say that they require customers to use condoms, researchers say, and that the customers' most frequent request is to perform oral sex. Unlike anal and vaginal intercourse, oral sex has not been proved to be a frequent mode of AIDS transmission.

No firm statistics exist on the number of female prostitutes in the nation or how many men patronize them. In New York City, the police last year recorded 14,930 prostitution-related arrests. Some were undoubtedly repeat offenders, but many prostitutes go undetected by law enforcers. Each prostitute may have hundreds or even thousands of sexual contacts in a year.

Since the early years of the AIDS epidemic, prostitutes and their customers have been considered a special risk group. Both are on the list of those barred from donating blood for transfusions.

Health officials have viewed AIDS among prostitutes as an indicator of heterosexual transmission, and as a point for prevention efforts. Analogy to Gay Men

''It is likely that those heterosexuals with the largest numbers of anonymous partners would be most likely to be exposed'' to the AIDS virus, Dr. Mindell Siedlin, of New York University, wrote in reporting on her study of prostitutes in the current issue of the Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes. She wrote that prostitutes could be analogous to gay men who have many sex partners, a group that was the first among homosexuals to get AIDS.

Prostitutes have also been targets of mandatory testing efforts. At least 13 states have enacted legislation to test convicted prostitutes for the AIDS virus, and Colorado provides for testing upon arrest, before trial, according to Mona J. Rowe at the AIDS Policy Center of the Intergovernmental Health Policy Project at George Washington University.

Striking contrasts emerged in the profile of AIDS infection among different groups of prostitutes. Rates varied widely between call girls and streetwalkers, for example, and according to geographic location. Geographic Differences

Only 1 of 78 call girls and other high-priced prostitutes in a recent New York City study was infected, and she was one of four women in that group who had shared needles. But two samples of streetwalkers and other prostitutes of low socio-economic status in New York City had infection rates of 9 and 21 percent.

''Geographically, there are huge differences,'' said Dr. Darrow. The worst AIDS pocket was in northern New Jersey, including Newark, Jersey City and Paterson. Forty-nine percent of the 168 women tested there were infected, and most of the infected were intravenous drug users.

The lowest infection rate - zero in a sample of 37 - was recorded in southern Nevada, where prostitution is legal and regulated. Screening of prostitutes by health officials there yielded only about five AIDS infections out of more than a thousand tests, Dr. Darrow said.

Joyce I. Wallace, a doctor who uses a van to recruit Manhattan streetwalkers for testing and who also tests their customers, said that about 9 percent of 199 prostitutes she examined were infected, again mostly admitted drug users. #21 Percent Positive The areas in the Federal survey were southern Nevada, Colorado Springs, Atlanta, Miami/Dade County, northern New Jersey, southern New Jersey, San Francisco and Los Angeles. In that survey, 188 of 1,486 prostitutes, or 13 percent, tested positive for the AIDS virus. Slightly more than half the group, 757, acknowledged or showed signs of drug use. Of them, 150 tested positive for the AIDS virus - a rate of 21 percent.

But among the remaining 729 who denied injecting drugs and had no signs of drug use, only 38, or 5 percent, were infected. Some of those said they knew or believed that their sex partners were intravenous drug users. ''The drug factor is clear - the infection rate is four times higher,'' said Dr. Darrow.

Rather than being disease spreaders, prostitutes are more likely to get AIDS than to give it, the studies indicate. ''The problem out there is the customer, not the prostitute,'' said Arlene Carmen, who runs a counseling program for prostitutes at Judson Memorial Church in Manhattan. Hundreds of Contacts

''People assume men in the general population are getting it from prostitutes, but that doesn't seem to be common,'' said Dr. Wallace. Of the 340 men she tested who patronized prostitutes, only eight were infected. Upon repeated interviews, several of these eight acknowledged having engaged in other forms of high-risk activity, like using intravenous drugs and having sex with men.

Only three insisted that their only possible exposure to AIDS was through sex with prostitutes. Those three averaged a total of 300 such contacts with prostitutes, about triple the average for uninfected customers. The three also said they did not use condoms, while 38 percent of the uninfected customers said they did.

The men who were the subjects of the various studies were voluntary participants, some of them recruited through information passed on by prostitutes.

A new phenomenon that has not been comprehensively studied is sex-for-drugs, involving women addicted to crack who agree to have sex with dealers inside drug dens in exchange for crack. The suppliers are often users or former users of intravenous drugs and may be transmitting the AIDS virus.

AIDS has made conventional prostitutes more careful, however. Dr. Mindlin's study of 78 high-priced prostitutes found 82 percent said they required customers to use condoms, at least sometimes.

Tracy Quan, a writer and former prostitute in New York, said: ''Educating men about AIDS has just become another part of the job. It's always been part of the job to protect yourself and the rest of society from disease.''

Prostitutes take AIDS seriously, Dr. Darrow said. ''They don't want to get infected or infect their babies. They have a high birth rate,'' he said. ''I haven't run into any prostitutes who are cavalier about this. They care whether they live or die.''

[QUOTE=Meeeee]it's illegal in Maryland to record a phone conversation without the other persons knowledge. The state takes this law very seriously - Google Linda Tripp. It is legal to video tape in your home (without their knowledge) "for security reasons". This was confrimed by my lawyer when I was going through a nasty divorce years ago.[QUOTE]True, but also figure this out: you can record freely inside your home, and same in public places. If a person expects their image to be seen, or voice heard by others, then it is 100% OK to record them. This leaves out very few places, and circumstances.

Also, in some Stats it is allowed to record a 2nd part if more than 2 are on the line (not necesserely on the conversation), so you have a siletn friend listen in while you record.

Similar to your situation, one of those little cameras saved me from a real nasty situation. It was 100 times worth its worth in gold. I have thought abut hooking it to a laptop and taking it along to WW, but, I don't want to record evidence in case something goes south.

[QUOTE=Oriole Mon]I have noticed over the last few weeks that the talent pool in Baltimore is back to where it was a couple of years ago. Has it really gotten better, or am I just getting better at mongering?

I have learned from the past that posting names provides little benefit as does locations. We all know the good names and the locations they visit. One of my favorites has become LJS in AA county close to monger bay. Friends can PM for main my squeeze.

As for the board, I have been well behaved with flames and spam in the past; however, after looking back over the past few weeks, it appears that Super Train has turned this board into his writing toilet. I pondered staying quite, as I have become much more silent in recent months.

One last note, I will not make further comments about this matter as my opinion has been put out for everyone to read.

Oriole[/QUOTE]You are right about a few, wrong about a few. The talent pool in B'more is at its lowest. If it was not for few phone numbers which a few of us have been exchanging, and for CraigsList, things would have been hard.

I agree with you about names, not adding value, particularly when the girls disappear, as the case has been lately. It seems that Gas Prices are keeping many mongers from roaming the streets.

About flaming other mongers, that is where you go extremely wrong. If you do not like what others write, just place on the ignore list. This way YOU can have the final say in what you want to hear. As for other mongers, they are entitled to their opinions. I personally reported when things hae gone south with WW and provided my network of friends with phone numbers. Remember, flaming members only leads to them going to other sites -- so I am glad that you have no further comments.

Tonight I will be checking the action in Chicago. I missed a great opportunity while checking into the hotel, when two good looking young women could not afford the room. I should have offered half of mine for exchange of services.

Again, I am glad that you have no further comments, and I thank you for it.

BSR: sorry, I am out of town. I will take you on your offer in time.

With earlier reports on the slipping economy and the rising unemplyment rates, few mongers were drooling at the prospective that more women will join the SW scene.

At the same time, with rising fuel prices, mongers are finding themselves taking fewer tips to the Purple Helmet Entertainment Zones. This defenetily does not allow the earlier assumption (economic situation creating more SW) to materialize.

Twenty years ago I used to search the yellow pages for Escort Services, and call to find out about the looks of the girls they have, Craigslist was a revolution in the Prostitution Business, this FORUM is merely an interactive version of they yellow pages. A revolution is needed.

I propose that we take a quantom leap and get permission from SWs to post ads for them on Craigslist. This will shake the foundation of the fee structure.

When a SW becomes accessible via Craigslist she will get more business, it will be essential to her to carry her cell phone, because it means business. Regular call girls will need to compete, so they will lower prices ... at the same time, SW will raise prices, some. The situation will create a new price category, say $50-80/session.

The market will always take some up, while dragging some down, so you will still have your $20 SW, and up, with several fee bands to fit every taste and budget. You may ask, why it is important to have a $50-80 budget range.

Say you picked up Lisa and decided to go FS for $30, your drive will cost you $10, then you pay Dorian $10 for a room, $10 of your time. Lets call that you pay Monger Insurance of $10 which includes bail, rip-off, etc. protection .... the total by now is $60. My scenario is that you got few numbers and photos, you call Lisa and arrange for a visit at her place, and pay her the $60.

Some of us are already getting better rates from SWs with digits, but the intent here is to expand the talent pool, to be able to choose online, without having to re-create the initiative every time.

There is a Henry Ford in each of us. If we make them affordable, thye will be popular.

So you are in the middle of uoooh aaaah with a SW when you look, and oh shit, the condom broke ... what do you do?

1. Take the condom off
2. Dry your dick by wrapping a napkin, sheet, your underwear, anything around it.
3. Wash it immediately with soap and water
4. Take a piss, then wash again

If a washing facility is not available, then skip step 3. But it is highly recommended to go to the nearest convenience store and get some disinfecting hand gel to apply.

I made a mistake once of using lotion, before wearing a condom, I only noticed it broke after ejaculating in beautiful Latina, we both freaked out.

[QUOTE=Bjroll John]Take a page from one of the greats Glenn61 and stop giving bad advice.Glenn61 always said your should travel with a "Mongers Med Kit" one of the things in it is a mixture of alcohol and water.Instead of washing grems off how about killing them.Glenn goes with a 70/30 mix mine is about the same and I have not had to make any trips to the Clinic even after condom breaks or really wet sw hole.[/QUOTE]Not all of us will keep the Monger Kit with 70/30 solution like Glen61 does, he is a pro pro. The instructions I provided are the best you can do in this situation. Paramedicas wash with soap and water when exposed to bodily fluids; Hand disinfecting gels kill 99. 99% of the bacterial.- this is not bad advice. What adds value here is reminding mongers what to do in this situation. Most of us will not keep the 70/30 bottle, but can keep a more convenient $1. 98 hand disinfecting gel bottle from CVS.

[QUOTE=Midnight]I'm sorry your trip to Dallas didn't work out well on the SW front. Every time I've been there, I've always gone with either the escorts, the studios, or the AMPs, and have had a great time at a price much lower than anything I'd pay up here. I've never really had time to cruise around for the SW scene, though -- I'm not great with navigating unfamiliar streets after dark, which is the kiss of death for cruising for SWs in a strange city.

I'm considering getting a GPS and plugging in waypoints for recommended spots the next time I do go away for a while, though. :)[/QUOTE]Need to put together a database with GPS and coordinates and profiles for SWs. I think the future of the web is great, with a site like craigs list tracking SWs on their tracks. Technology is coming and there is much to gain :)

[QUOTE=Johnny Fever35]Dallas is a little different than around here. SW'ers are in cars and usually are around HH or NW highway around the time the bars and strip joints close.

They are very aggressive. Also if you go to the right strip bars takeout is
available at a reasonable price. My info is a couple of years old as I haven't been there for a while. But have been there many times over the years.

Be areful because LE will give you a ticket for just talking to known SW. You could likely fight it, but you would have to buy another plane ticket, etc.
To me takeouts ffrom local strip bars was the safest way to go and like I said
the price was very reasonable.[/QUOTE]My experience with take outs form strip joints:

1. Ride home 16 miles at 3 AM in echange for BJ
2. 1-hr encounter with 7/10 Latina for $100
3. 1-hour encounter (lasted over 3) with 9/10 Puerto Rican for $200.

What do you consider reasonable?

[QUOTE=Terra Sancta]My experience with take outs form strip joints:

1. Ride home 16 miles at 3 AM in echange for BJ
2. 1-hr encounter with 7/10 Latina for $100
3. 1-hour encounter (lasted over 3) with 9/10 Puerto Rican for $200.

What do you consider reasonable?[/QUOTE]At even only 16 mpg, with current gas prices of $3.25/gallon, that's only $6.50 for a BJ. Not bad. Far below street rate.

The other 2 options are a bit higher than what we're used to in Baltimore, but the quality was likely much higher. I've heard many good things about Dallas SCs.

[QUOTE=Terra Sancta]My experience with take outs form strip joints:

1. Ride home 16 miles at 3 AM in echange for BJ
2. 1-hr encounter with 7/10 Latina for $100
3. 1-hour encounter (lasted over 3) with 9/10 Puerto Rican for $200.

What do you consider reasonable?[/QUOTE]


I developed regulars. Never over $100 and phone numbers made it easier.

[QUOTE=Oriole Mon]My uncle raised pigs for a living. This post smells like pork fellows. For baltis this is one of Baltimore's fatests.[/QUOTE]Folks,

I have heard of somethign similar but prices ranged from $30-$50/session. The closest I got was $60/session, here are the details:

If you take a trip to Corona, NY, it is a short distance from Queens, you would think you are in some Latin country. You will see guys on the street walks handing business cards for message services. Those are actually super economy class ******.

The rates are $100 for them to go to your place, less if you go to theirs. Much less if you are Latino. Even less if you are a frequent visitor.

A Puruvian friend of mine told me that they are super clean, working at their homes. Prices range between $30-$50 based on quality of the provider. I tried getting into the club, but could not get past the message, becuase I am a gringo.

My $60/pop experience was with a MILF, very friendly, could have been cheaper if I bargained.

I wrote an article about the Economics of it all. And the need to create a level of prostitutes mid way between SWs and CL. Maybe we need to listen closer to this guy.

[QUOTE=Terra Sancta]With earlier reports on the slipping economy and the rising unemplyment rates, few mongers were drooling at the prospective that more women will join the SW scene.

At the same time, with rising fuel prices, mongers are finding themselves taking fewer tips to the Purple Helmet Entertainment Zones. This defenetily does not allow the earlier assumption (economic situation creating more SW) to materialize.

Twenty years ago I used to search the yellow pages for Escort Services, and call to find out about the looks of the girls they have, Craigslist was a revolution in the Prostitution Business, this FORUM is merely an interactive version of they yellow pages. A revolution is needed.

I propose that we take a quantom leap and get permission from SWs to post ads for them on Craigslist. This will shake the foundation of the fee structure.

When a SW becomes accessible via Craigslist she will get more business, it will be essential to her to carry her cell phone, because it means business. Regular call girls will need to compete, so they will lower prices ... at the same time, SW will raise prices, some. The situation will create a new price category, say $50-80/session.

The market will always take some up, while dragging some down, so you will still have your $20 SW, and up, with several fee bands to fit every taste and budget. You may ask, why it is important to have a $50-80 budget range.

Say you picked up Lisa and decided to go FS for $30, your drive will cost you $10, then you pay Dorian $10 for a room, $10 of your time. Lets call that you pay Monger Insurance of $10 which includes bail, rip-off, etc. protection .... the total by now is $60. My scenario is that you got few numbers and photos, you call Lisa and arrange for a visit at her place, and pay her the $60.

Some of us are already getting better rates from SWs with digits, but the intent here is to expand the talent pool, to be able to choose online, without having to re-create the initiative every time.

There is a Henry Ford in each of us. If we make them affordable, thye will be popular.[/QUOTE]Lets do a price sanity check on the rates for various services;

Herew is my list:

1. BJ from SW, $20
2. FS from SW, $30
3. Room, $5/$10
4. 30 min incall from CL, $100-$120 (advertised 50% higher)
5. 60 min incall from CL, $100-$150 (advertised $50 higher)
6. 30 min incall latina on CL, DC area, $80-$100
7. 60 min incall latina on CL, DC area, $100-$120
8. Quickie $80-120
9. MILF, at her convenience $60/session
10. 10/10 BWI incall from CL, lowest: $100/quickie, highest $250/hour.

As for the chick with digits ... I have 3 regulars which originated from WW area, but no longer on the street. I still pay the $30 which is a good value to them becuase I treat them fine ... no room fee. Please share you r fee structure with us. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Trav Pokerman]At even only 16 mpg, with current gas prices of $3.25/gallon, that's only $6.50 for a BJ. Not bad. Far below street rate.

The other 2 options are a bit higher than what we're used to in Baltimore, but the quality was likely much higher. I've heard many good things about Dallas SCs.[/QUOTE]No sir, that is 16 miles each way, plus the depreciation on my car, my time, and the price of the condom :)

On a more serious note, she paid the Washington Bridge toll, was pleasant, and charged $100/hour for subsequent visits, which were top notch.

Many of the girls used to ask me for rides at 3 AM, and a BJ in exchange for services would save them ~$30. The interesting part, I asked her how much she made that night, she said $320, but makes 3 times as much on weekends.

And listen to this, another chick tells her family in the Dominican Republic that she works at a restaurant, she sends them money regularly, especially to her poor brother who spends all his money gambling on chicken fights :)

After banging her, I was walking behind her admiring her ass (she is 27), then she looks back at me and says: why dont you marry me? dead serious (for a green card). I end up giving her $200, lunch at a chinese restaurant, then a ride back to her bar.

[QUOTE=Terra Sancta]
On a more serious note, she paid the Washington Bridge toll, was pleasant, and charged $100/hour for subsequent visits, which were top notch.

And listen to this, another chick tells her family in the Dominican Republic that she works at a restaurant, she sends them money regularly, especially to her poor brother who spends all his money gambling on chicken fights :)

After banging her, I was walking behind her admiring her ass (she is 27), then she looks back at me and says: why dont you marry me? dead serious (for a green card). I end up giving her $200, lunch at a chinese restaurant, then a ride back to her bar.[/QUOTE]

ahh the things you miss out on when you work nights.

I really appreciate you posting these prices - at first I thought it was another take-off on the "Priceless" commercials. I've been happy with SWs but was planning to try something off CL. There's a lot of discussion of SW pricing here so no one causes "inflation". My big question regarding the CL girls was if they really get the inflated prices they list. Glad to hear that they don't.

Question is, when do you do the negotiation - on the phone? If so, it would seem that you're more vulnerable to the stings that are reported here from time to time.

Regards,

Jack

[QUOTE=Terra Sancta]Lets do a price sanity check on the rates for various services;

Herew is my list:

1. BJ from SW, $20
2. FS from SW, $30
3. Room, $5/$10
4. 30 min incall from CL, $100-$120 (advertised 50% higher)
5. 60 min incall from CL, $100-$150 (advertised $50 higher)
6. 30 min incall latina on CL, DC area, $80-$100
7. 60 min incall latina on CL, DC area, $100-$120
8. Quickie $80-120
9. MILF, at her convenience $60/session
10. 10/10 BWI incall from CL, lowest: $100/quickie, highest $250/hour.

As for the chick with digits ... I have 3 regulars which originated from WW area, but no longer on the street. I still pay the $30 which is a good value to them becuase I treat them fine ... no room fee. Please share you r fee structure with us. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

I typically disregard their listed prices on CL and say something like: I got $100 and looking for someone I can spend 30 minutes with. If they are stupid, they will ask then what you are looking for, or offer BJ for that amount. But once you are at their place, you have more leverage to go all the way with your $100.

[QUOTE=JNimble]I really appreciate you posting these prices - at first I thought it was another take-off on the "Priceless" commercials. I've been happy with SWs but was planning to try something off CL. There's a lot of discussion of SW pricing here so no one causes "inflation". My big question regarding the CL girls was if they really get the inflated prices they list. Glad to hear that they don't.

Question is, when do you do the negotiation - on the phone? If so, it would seem that you're more vulnerable to the stings that are reported here from time to time.

Regards,

Jack[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Skippersfight][QUOTE=Baltimonger]This is a bad LEO (would do ANYTHING to make a bust) I reported on a while back. He made about 100K of your taxpayer dollars last year.

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=573115&postcount=130[/url]

Certainly not excusing bending the truth and misrepresenting your case, but sounds like he was probably a good cop who got frustrated by Pat Jessamy's idiot ass and the inability of prosecutors and judges to actually put some of the animals in this city in jail. The cops I've talked to all sound uniformly frustrated with the criminal justice system in this fucked up city. They catch real criminals all the time only to see them bounce or get wrist slaps. I'm not surprised to learn they start bending the rules a bit. Like LA Confidential style.[/QUOTE]Sad part is when good qualified cops start going after VICTIMLESS CRIMES, such as prostitution, while drug dealers and violent criminals are going through revolving doors. The DA is so despirate to show results, and is ready to use your penis as evidence. I have heared thee DA in court repeating Nolle Prosequi, to the point I memorized it. Ask the SWs and they will tell you stories about times adn times they were beatin by cops on WW to get info about drug deals. Also ask them about how many times they sucked dick in LE vehicles.

[QUOTE=Terra Sancta][QUOTE=Skippersfight] Also ask them about how many times they sucked dick in LE vehicles.[/QUOTE]Funny, I was talking to Kitten on S. Carey about that just two nights ago.

[QUOTE=Skippersfight][QUOTE=Terra Sancta]Funny, I was talking to Kitten on S. Carey about that just two nights ago.[/QUOTE]And what did she say?

[QUOTE=Heavy D]A frequent rider program?

20 dollars a session? Hell put me down for twice a week that's better than sw prices.[/QUOTE]I rode my neighbour who is a black college teen for a couple of months in exchange for rides and doing her laundry at my place. Her face is 6/10, but her body is 8/10. Things ended up abruptly when she got a BF. I would say each ride cost me $2.

[QUOTE=LexLuther]Prostitution is illegal and the market for it is therefore not fully subject to the normal constraints of supply and demand.

Therefore if we expect the price to go down, we've got to take an active role in making it happen. In other words, when you enter that market place, no matter how badly you want the service, if you want the price to go down, you've got to be ready, willing, and able to walk away from the deal if the provider will not provide it at the price you want to pay. How many of you are willing to do that?

LexLuther[/QUOTE]I could not agree more. Look at the effect of high prices of gas, it did not affect the demand. We need to stop the $20 standard tuition practice, so we can make a gap between the skanks and the gyms.

I propose going to a $15--$25 structure, and eliminate the $20 standard tuition. If the economy hits harder, then we should go to a $10--$30 structure.

[QUOTE=Terra Sancta]I could not agree more. Look at the effect of high prices of gas, it did not affect the demand. We need to stop the $20 standard tuition practice, so we can make a gap between the skanks and the gyms.

I propose going to a $15--$25 structure, and eliminate the $20 standard tuition. If the economy hits harder, then we should go to a $10--$30 structure.[/QUOTE]
The BBBJ has been .2 for 15+ years thats with inflation.Stop beening so F'N cheap.We got a gold mine here.Low balling only works on the ones you dont want any way.If hotties like Shannon (the young one)only got .15 for BBBJ they will just work regulars and smarten up and use Craigslist.Some of us mongers not me have posted ads for girls before.

[QUOTE=Bjroll John]The BBBJ has been .2 for 15+ years thats with inflation.Stop beening so F'N cheap.We got a gold mine here.Low balling only works on the ones you dont want any way.If hotties like Shannon (the young one)only got .15 for BBBJ they will just work regulars and smarten up and use Craigslist.Some of us mongers not me have posted ads for girls before.[/QUOTE]The point is that you offer a skank $15, and you offer a gem $25 for the same service. Stop offering them both $20. Once you do that, you will see self SEGRIGATION.

Can your preferred SW afford high heels and mini dress? do you want your preferred SW with another guy all the time, when you can have her anytime for $5 more.

Imagin if all restaurants had the standard $20 menu!!!What we have now is 3 classes:

1. SWs, $20-$50 for full range of services
2. CraigsList, $80-$200 for full range of services
3. AMPs, $120-$270 for full range of services

We need something between SW class and Craigslist, for the guys who like to dress something in between K-Mart and Nordstrom. But on a more serious note, from an economic prospective, the 1&2 categories above need to overlap, so girls can self SEGREGATE.

When the majority of the population of the area is Black, why is the majority of SWs are White?

[QUOTE=Terra Sancta]When the majority of the population of the area is Black, why is the majority of SWs are White?[/QUOTE]

The Wilkens (Carrollton Ridge) & Pigtown areas are actually traditionally white, but they have slowly become blacker over the years. As the neighborhood has turned to shit, the old inhabitants have moved to better places.

As far as the SW's being white: Heroin became popular in the counties' schools years ago, especially the predominantly white areas. I've met so many SW's from Carroll, Harford, and the Hereford zone of Baltimore County over the years.

In a nutshell, they're here, because that's where the drugs are.

[QUOTE=Terra Sancta]When the majority of the population of the area is Black, why is the majority of SWs are White?[/QUOTE]
One word HERION!! Its like rats and posion eventually they stop eating it.Blacks have not been as into it since the 80's.

[QUOTE=Terra Sancta]I could not agree more. Look at the effect of high prices of gas, it did not affect the demand. We need to stop the $20 standard tuition practice, so we can make a gap between the skanks and the gyms.

I propose going to a $15--$25 structure, and eliminate the $20 standard tuition. If the economy hits harder, then we should go to a $10--$30 structure.[/QUOTE]

Terra Sancta,

You're missing the point. The demand curve is what it is and is normally is not affected by the supply curve. In fact they do not affect each other at all. What they do eventually do is that they intersect. And it is at that point (all other things being equal) that consumers are willing and able to purchase the good or service.

The price that they can get for their product provides incentive for producers or suppliers to do what they do (produce or provide) the good or service. If these people can do what they do, cover their costs, and make a reasonable profit, they will do it. If not, they will take their capital and other investments and apply them elsewhere. In the case of SW's, we're talking about pimps. In the case of AMP's, we're talking about those with enough money to rent a space, convert it (if not already converted) to AMP usage, and hire some staff.

The labor to help management build, upgrade, and operate an AMP are building and improvement contractors and AMP workers. Both the management and the staff take into account the risk factor. Management risks losing their entire investment if the government (LE) were to shut them down before they at least recover their investment. For a new AMP, this has to be at least a couple hundred $K. Let's just say $250,000. This number could go up in an area with restrictive licensing requirements or (God forbid) where they may have to pay off police, licensing officials, and other government agencies. Management also faces the risk that they may go to jail. However the risk of this happening for management is far less than it is for the workers. The reason for this is that management (and here I'm really talking about the owner/operators of the spa) makes it a point to stay out of the place once it's up and running.

So (in the case of the AMP industry) we are talking about some very smart business people (Koreans) who have to decide whether the investment required to create and operate a spa are going to pay off and justify the economic and other risks, or whether they would be better off opening a car dealership, restaurant, dry-cleaning establishment, or one of the other myriad business opportunities available to them in this country or perhaps in some other country. With Koreans, you have to keep in mind that if they have the funds, they could conceivably open some kind of business in Korea.

For the AMP workers (Korean women who don't possess the knowledge, skill, or capital of the people who own/operate the spa), they need to decide if it is worth it for them to risk going to jail, getting hurt or killed on the job, having to live and work in the same place, day-in, day-out in order to make whatever they are going to make in a spa. I've done the calculations on this. And while it's theoretically possible for a hard-charging, good looking gal to make up to $200,000 per annum, it's more likely that she is going to make about half that. We have to keep in mind that these are, after all, human beings with the same frail bodies and psyches that most humans have. Believe it or not, you can't fuck ten or twelve times a day, seven days a week, without it taking some sort of toll on you.

Therefore the one thing that makes this industry different from most other industries is the risk factor. We also have to admit that the customers face a small risk. That is the risk inherent in their engagement in this market place. For the AMP customer, this risk is much smaller than if he were to buy a different service, say the one offered by SW's.

One risk the consumer faces is the risk of being arrested. When AMP's get busted, it's very unusual for the customer to get busted. But we have to imagine that it does happen. Another risk (one which probably happens more frequenty) is that he'll spend a lot of money and not get what he came for. Although in a market with with a good number of spa's, the ones that stay in business tend to learn that they can't work this way and continue to make money.

So there you have it. All the players in this game face the same dilemma. Do I submit myself to the risks inherent in this market place in order to possibly get what motivates me to take part in it? For the owners, they face risks for the possible reward of making a profit. For the workers, they risk a lot for the possible reward of making a decent income. For the consumer of the service, they risk spending a lot of money and maybe some time in jail for the possibility of satisfying their intense need for sexual satisfaction and intimacy.

Where the curves representing these two activities meet, is where the transaction will take place.

LexLuther

[QUOTE=LexLuther]Terra Sancta,

You're missing the point. The demand curve is what it is and is normally is not affected by the supply curve. In fact they do not affect each other at all. What they do eventually do is that they intersect. And it is at that point (all other things being equal) that consumers are willing and able to purchase the good or service.[/QUOTE]Thank you for explaining your theory, but I have a question for you.

If your income is $120K and mine is $60K/year, we both go to Wilkens and see Angela who charges my proposed $25 fee, and Liz who is 5/10 on SW scale. I compare prices, hesitate, drive few more rounds, while you fork the $25 and pick up Angela in a heartbeat. Then I go to Liz and say I got $15 for a BJ, take it or leave it.

The quality of SWs is not the same, why should the fee be the same. Why do I care if they need to have one client or 5 to make enough money for a dose or 2.

Think of it as the plants in your yard which get to grow first, then everything else has to grwo weak under their shadow. Or the big fish which is now faster, so it can get the first frog, or something :)

Today, I went to WW but did not find a SW to meet my criteria, so I left. I was willing to pay $50 for some one who does. There were propably 3 SWs who meet my criteria, but were picked up by clients paying $20, but by the time I got there, they were in some dark alley.

What if I started paying the $25, and I was approaching behind tow other $20 who were there first? who would the SW get int he car with? What if the CraigsList $120 chick who gets one client a day leaned that she can get 4 on WW for $50 each.

My whole point is that there is a gap in pricing. Please look how this was resolved in 2 places: 1. Go to Wikipedia and type PROSTITUTION, you will see a picture of prostitute vans in Leon-France, you will get the picture. 2. The other exampl is from Corona-NY where Latin chicks work from home, with guys distributing busiiness cards on busy streets. In either case, you get the price range I am talking about. Something to fill the price/quality curve gap.

In either case, even drugs are subject to the supply/deman curve. Why should prostituion be any different. My need for a SW is no different than a SW need for Heroin.

[QUOTE=Laxman #2]Local
Baltimore woman killed after man was denied cigarette
The Associated Press
2008-05-05 11:44:36.0
Current rank: # 1,284 of 8,556

BALTIMORE -
Baltimore police say a city woman was shot in the head and killed after she and her companion refused to give a man a cigarette.

The shooting happened shortly before 1 a.m. Saturday in the 500 block of Brunswick Street.

According to police. 29-year-old Dawn Shipley and the male friend were approached by a man asking for a cigarette. When he was refused, police say the man drew a gun and shot Shipley. Her friend was not hurt.

Shipley died later at an area hospital.

Her loved ones held a candlelight vigil Sunday at the location where the shooting took place.[/QUOTE]The location is very close to Wilkens, on Brusnwick, just in front of the house where few SWs live together. You will see candles, baloons and bears at the spot.

An OK SW was standing there, but she did not get in -- thought I was a cop or something.

Who was that chick all over the place around 6-7 PM today, in short skirt, white tennis shoes and yellow shirt? she looked hot, in her late 30s early 40s, there were no takers.

There were also two hot blond chicks on S Carey, looked like SWs, but thery were busy wioth something else.

Anyway, I saw a total of 4 SWs which I have been int he last couple of weeks, but could not find the variety which I crave.

[QUOTE=Green Shadow]This is Dawn W. The one shot was Dawn S. Different Dawn

GS[/QUOTE]Here is a link to Dawn's pic -- she has no prostitution charges.

[url]http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/thumbnails/teaser/2008-05/38529183-05125023.jpg[/url]

[QUOTE=Baltimonger]She gave the wrong zip code. She claimed to be living at 2123 Whistler Ave. in Amoral Park, but the zip there is 21230.

Notice the ROR (released on recognizance) "other plea" and the stet. Possibly she got a stet in exchange for helping LE. IMHO she probably got shot for being a snitch and getting somebody busted. I think at least one LEO should consider that her blood is on his hands. Maybe he'll have a nervous breakdown and put a gun to his own head.[/QUOTE]I have entered her full middle name in the court search systema nd got an incompleted result. I always count on you for street intellegence.

There was another stabing last night near Washington and S Carey, a block in, and a block north.

Anyway, the selection on WW around 7 PM today was so-so. Lisa polished my knob for standard tuition on a one-way street. So-so job, but the $20 was buring a hole in my pocket :)

[QUOTE=Terra Sancta] There was another stabing last night near Washington and S Carey, a block in, and a block north.[/QUOTE]If you mean the alley near Washington, that street has a ton of drug activity. LE is watching that area because of the yuppies buying buildings down there. I am sure that LE is on the take there since they have made ZERO headway cleaning up that alley.

Ask any of our girls down that way that you pick up and they will tell you that there's a dealer in every other house in that block. LE already knows about it but does nothing to stop it except to look like they are doing something which they are not.

It is easier to bother mongers than to arrest dealers!

Larry!

[QUOTE=Baltimonger]LE will be removing the blue light cameras and move to a closed-circuit system in the very near future. Some time down the road they hope to add facial recognition software.[/QUOTE]Cameras did all of us good. I always knew when I was entering an infested 'hood. Knew where to lock my car while traveling. Knew where the ****** can be found, etc.

On the other hand, Pig Town provides a hospitable environment for gang bangers, hookers, and drug pushers. What goes around, comes around. That sort of people have developed their street justice system -- let them deal with it.

I pay a premium for living in a gated community, which for the most part excludes that "sort of people."

[QUOTE=LexLuther]And I think that most older guys go to AMP's not because they wish to place themselves up against guys 1/3 their age who would just be quite happy to show us older, sad sacks up.[/QUOTE]I agree. I rarely go to AMPs anymore, but I go for a CraigsList encounter once a month or so, for the same reasons you mentioned. At this age, it is about me; those girls are not in for the romance, neither am I. I have very few sexual desires yet to be fulfilled, so I get them fulfilled without even wasting time on a dinner.

Talking about that. Any of you knows a white provider 6'4" tall, or more.

Thanks

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[QUOTE=Terra Sancta]Here is a familiar scene.

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That's about how it goes too. I am hitting the loop next week so I will have more to report, I hope.


Larry!

[QUOTE=Terra Sancta]Cameras did all of us good. I always knew when I was entering an infested 'hood. Knew where to lock my car while traveling. Knew where the ****** can be found, etc.

On the other hand, Pig Town provides a hospitable environment for gang bangers, hookers, and drug pushers. What goes around, comes around. That sort of people have developed their street justice system -- let them deal with it. [/QUOTE]


The camera let us know whetre the good neighborhoods were located. I guess LE is figuring things out. Pigtown has changed but there is still a lot there to keep us busy as well as drug customers. The real estate values were increasing but with the mortgage crisis, I'll bet there is plenty of bargains out there to be had.



Larry!

I ordered Yohimbine HCL from eBay and that stuff is awesome. I got 90 2.5mg tablets for about $15, including shipping.

It is supposed to work on the long term, but few hours after taking two 2.5 mg tablets, the effects started. Wrong timing, but a magnificent erection.

I have tried Viagra and Cialis both recreationally, but this stuff produces a different kind of erection, fuller and more comfortable. I was too tired to get get up at night to measure my erection, lasted for about 1 hour. Then same in the morning -- first time in a while where I get up, shower, shave and dress while sustaining one erection.

I did most of the reading about it after I purchased it, says that is helps control ejaculation, both ways. So it is supposed to be good for anyone taking medications which delay ejaculation, and for those suffering from premature ejaculation.

I have noticed two side effects after taking it, first clear loss of appetite, second my urine smells spicy.

If any of you tried it, please let me know if you got similar effects.

I just noticed this -- now confused!

I guess when it comes to revenue, principles change.

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Terra Sancta,

My principles haven't changed. The ads are not selected by me, they are displayed at random. However, if you send me an email with the ad title and/or the link in the ad, I can set the ad program to permanently reject that ad.

Thanks,

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[QUOTE=Terra Sancta]Here is a familiar scene.

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Enjoy![/QUOTE]That was hilarious! Now thats what I call a blind date! Roflmao!

Selah!