Safe Mongering in Honolulu

[QUOTE=Gherkin]Another way of summing this up is:

HJ is safer than shaking hands with someone

Kissing might get you a non-STD, and even deep kissing is almost universally regarded as safe. Small chance of bacterial STD, which are easily cured.

BBBJ is extremely safe, but if deep throated, you might catch a bacterial infection, which will be easily treated.

BBFS may catch you Herpes, HIV (but not conclusive), bacterial infections (easily treated)

CFS may catch you Herpes

BBAnal may catch you just about anything

Covered Anal is like CFS, but condoms break more often during anal, I'm told.

To me, there's a big line in between oral and FS/Anal. If sticking to oral/hand sex, just take steps to protect against bacterial infection, and you should be fine. If not, then use a condom, and stop if she's not well lubed. You may catch Herpes if you FS, covered or not. You won't catch Herpes from BBBJ.

Gherkin, but I'm not a doctor, so these are just my opinions after researching this pretty thoroughly on the internet.[/QUOTE]For your info anything with bb is not safe even bbbj there are other things other than stds you can catch.

Seenum, I think this is a useful comment to remind us all to keep an eye on the big picture. Each person will have their own tolerance to risk, whether it is from a STD or from the possibility of dying from a head injury on a bike, and so on. We won't all agree on where the line should be drawn.

Hopefully we can at least realize that it is in society's best interests to keep us as scared as possible, in order to constrain our behavior. This is why we are universally taught that "if you have sex, you'll die of aids." Helping people get over this gross distortion is much easier in the age of the Internet, thank goodness.

If there's something specific you had in mind, please bring it out and let's discuss it. This board has been very helpful in bringing forward new opinions, but specific information might be more useful.

Gherkin

[QUOTE=Seenum]For your info anything with bb is not safe even bbbj there are other things other than stds you can catch.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gherkin]Seenum, I think this is a useful comment to remind us all to keep an eye on the big picture. Each person will have their own tolerance to risk, whether it is from a STD or from the possibility of dying from a head injury on a bike, and so on. We won't all agree on where the line should be drawn.

Hopefully we can at least realize that it is in society's best interests to keep us as scared as possible, in order to constrain our behavior. This is why we are universally taught that "if you have sex, you'll die of aids." Helping people get over this gross distortion is much easier in the age of the Internet, thank goodness.

If there's something specific you had in mind, please bring it out and let's discuss it. This board has been very helpful in bringing forward new opinions, but specific information might be more useful.

Gherkin[/QUOTE]I'm not a doctor either but remember bacteria can be stored in mucous membranes and mucus itself. And there are a lot of nasty bacteria out there but i'm just a hypocrite just look at my post I have done my share of bb.

[QUOTE=Gherkin]Another way of summing this up is:

HJ is safer than shaking hands with someone

Kissing might get you a non-STD, and even deep kissing is almost universally regarded as safe. Small chance of bacterial STD, which are easily cured.

BBBJ is extremely safe, but if deep throated, you might catch a bacterial infection, which will be easily treated.

BBFS may catch you Herpes, HIV (but not conclusive), bacterial infections (easily treated)

CFS may catch you Herpes

BBAnal may catch you just about anything

Covered Anal is like CFS, but condoms break more often during anal, I'm told.

To me, there's a big line in between oral and FS/Anal. If sticking to oral/hand sex, just take steps to protect against bacterial infection, and you should be fine. If not, then use a condom, and stop if she's not well lubed. You may catch Herpes if you FS, covered or not. You won't catch Herpes from BBBJ.

Gherkin, but I'm not a doctor, so these are just my opinions after researching this pretty thoroughly on the internet.[/QUOTE]I've always believed you couldn't get Herpes from ibbbjs, at least that's what I was taught. I believed that herpes simplex-a (oral) and herpes complex (genital) were two different viruses that had similarities. Recently I've read that oral herpes can be transmitted to genitalia, but I'm still not convinced or positive of this info.

Visited Lavander this weekend. Used some of the advice posted here.

I declined the TS (as I have before) but had the provider wash me standing up, she used the pump soap instead of the bar soap and I told her no community scruber, she used her hands, actually very nice washing my dong and balls, got my pole pointing. she did not touch my brown eye, so I washed there.

The reason I declined the TS is I don't think it's a good idea to lay on my stomach with my dong and balls on that wet, sometimes cold, plastic, meldew looking bed. What might I pick up on that TS bed? Even if it harmless, I don't like the thought of my boys up rubbing around there where every one elses boy's lay. Do they ever clean that thing? And if so, how offten.

I also asked to go shower as soon as we finished the deed and I caught my breath (was good sex) to wash the boys down. She said let wash up together, so she washed up with me too, kinda nice actually. I was temped to use the listerene as I read, but thought it would burn and she would think I am strange, so I just washed up good with the pump soap.

I agree. I don't care for the table shower and definitely not the community scrubber.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]Visited Lavander this weekend. Used some of the advice posted here.

I declined the TS (as I have before) but had the provider wash me standing up, she used the pump soap instead of the bar soap and I told her no community scruber, she used her hands, actually very nice washing my dong and balls, got my pole pointing. she did not touch my brown eye, so I washed there.

The reason I declined the TS is I don't think it's a good idea to lay on my stomach with my dong and balls on that wet, sometimes cold, plastic, meldew looking bed. What might I pick up on that TS bed? Even if it harmless, I don't like the thought of my boys up rubbing around there where every one elses boy's lay. Do they ever clean that thing? And if so, how offten.

I also asked to go shower as soon as we finished the deed and I caught my breath (was good sex) to wash the boys down. She said let wash up together, so she washed up with me too, kinda nice actually. I was temped to use the listerene as I read, but thought it would burn and she would think I am strange, so I just washed up good with the pump soap.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kb Lover]I've always believed you couldn't get Herpes from ibbbjs, at least that's what I was taught. I believed that herpes simplex-a (oral) and herpes complex (genital) were two different viruses that had similarities. Recently I've read that oral herpes can be transmitted to genitalia, but I'm still not convinced or positive of this info.[/QUOTE]Herpes Simplex Virus 1 (HSV-1) is commonly referred to as oral Herpes, though it can be received in the genitals.

Herpes Simplex Virus 2 (HSV-2) is commonly referred to as genital Herpes, though it can be received around the mouth (orally).

Each kind of Herpes can cause recurrent outbreaks in its "preferred" location, but it is virtually unheard of to have a recurrent outbreak in the "non-preferred" location. Similarly, each kind sheds from its preferred location, but not its non-preferred location.

You can catch HSV-1 from someone's mouth, but not from someone's genitals unless you catch it within a couple of weeks of them catching it. This is because they may have an initial outbreak, but will not have recurrent outbreaks, or shedding.

Similarly, you can catch HSV-2 from someone's genitals, but not from someone's mouth.

If you have HSV-1 orally or genitally, you won't catch it in the other location from anyone else, except perhaps during the first couple of weeks after your own original infection.

Similarly, if you have HSV-2 orally or genitally, you won't catch it in the other location.

Most of us have HSV-1. About 1/4 of us have HSV-2. HSV-1 is very infectious. HSV-2 is "somewhat" infectious (about 4% of mismatched couples engaging in unprotected sex but not during outbreaks transmitted to the other partner).

So, you could get HSV-1 genitally from a BJ (covered or not). But you probably already have HSV-1 orally, and so won't catch it genitally. Also, if you do catch it genitally, you will have an initial outbreak but nothing else, and won't pass it on to anyone else once that outbreak is over. Finally, most people who catch it get it from a simple kiss from a parent or grandparent, and so it is carries no STD stigma. Even if your doctor finds it in your blood at some point, he will not be surprised. Nor will your wife.

Similarly, you could catch HSV-2 orally from DATY. But if you do, after the initial outbreak it will almost certainly never bother you or anyone else ever again. Your doctor may find HSV-2 antibodies in your blood, but won't think much of it unless he has a recent negative finding from your blood to compare it to. You won't pass it on (after the initial outbreak subsides). You won't get recurrent outbreaks.

So, in many many respects, BBBJ and BBDATY are both very safe, but BBBJ is culturally safer because HSV-1 (which is what you may possibly catch from BBBJ) is not considered a STD, and so raises less questions. But even DATY won't raise any questions once the initial outbreak subsides.

Full service is another matter, since you could get HSV-2 genitally from that, which could possibly cause you problems for the rest of your life (but they are mild problems, but they are difficult to explain away).

In many respects, the ideal situation would be to catch HSV-2 orally (by doing DATY). A few weeks after that, you would be over the initial outbreak, would never have another, would never infect anyone else, and would be unable to catch HSV-2 genitally.

Gherkin

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One risk of Mongering is LE stings and raids.

With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids? (Like say your "just looking"...)

Also if you are arrested, can you bail your self out of jail or do you need to call your best friend or SO to go down to the Beretania Police Station to bail you out? How much cash should you carry as emergency money?

Anyone know the routine if you do get taken in?

Just wondering.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]

With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids? [/quote]
That topic was previously discussed on the forum (before you became a member). To help place your mind at ease, the general consensus was that a customer most likely won't be arrested in a raid on a massage or relaxation business if he doesn't have any current warrants, he isn't found to possess something illegal, and he isn't foolish enough to confess to doing something illegal.

[QUOTE=Kapalua]That topic was previously discussed on the forum (before you became a member). To help place your mind at ease, the general consensus was that a customer most likely won't be arrested in a raid on a massage or relaxation business if he doesn't have any current warrants, he isn't found to possess something illegal, and he isn't foolish enough to confess to doing something illegal.[/QUOTE]Thank You Kapalua. And congratulations on 1000+ most informative posts!

[QUOTE=Cleanman]Also if you are arrested, can you bail your self out of jail or do you need to call your best friend or SO to go down to the Beretania Police Station to bail you out? How much cash should you carry as emergency money?

Anyone know the routine if you do get taken in?

Just wondering.[/QUOTE]Allow me to opine on this with past experience(s).

Depending on the charge, the bail amount will vary. When getting arrested, the cops will take you to the station and take ALL of your 'property' and put them into a clear plastic bag with a tag that identifies it as yours. 'Property' is including but limited to: wallets, cell phones, keys, coins (in your pocket), rings/jewelry/accessories, belts, and even your shoe laces (if you have any).
*reason is that they don't want to leave an inmate with anything that he/she can use to commit suicide*

If you have the cash in your wallet, you can probably let the holding officers know that you have enough cash to bail you out. If not, then your 1 phone call is probably what you will need to use to have yourself bailed out. Just remember to memorize your best friend's/most reliable friend's phone number, as you won't be able to go through your cell phone for the number.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids?[/QUOTE]

Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.

Being at an AMP is not illegal.

Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.

Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.

If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.

So, the simple rules to follow are:

1. Cooperate completely.
2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."
3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.
4. Admit nothing!
5. Play dumb.
6. Admit nothing!
7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?

Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!

BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.

The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Candy Addict]Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.

Being at an AMP is not illegal.

Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.

Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.

If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.

So, the simple rules to follow are:

1. Cooperate completely.
2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."
3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.
4. Admit nothing!
5. Play dumb.
6. Admit nothing!
7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?

Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!

BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.

The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!

Good luck![/QUOTE]


Thank you Perry Mason. I'm hiring you if/when I get thrown in the OCCC pokey.

[QUOTE=Candy Addict]

BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction. [/QUOTE]
Which is why a safer procedure for a hobbyist encountering an unknown woman, who might be a police "decoy" instead of a real streetwalker, is to avoid saying anything about money or any sexual act unless she enters the hobbyist's vehicle and drives away with him.

[QUOTE=Kapalua]Which is why a safer procedure for a hobbyist encountering an unknown woman, who might be a police "decoy" instead of a real streetwalker, is to avoid saying anything about money or any sexual act unless she enters the hobbyist's vehicle and drives away with him.[/QUOTE]

Right Kap.

Whenever I _do_ cruise DT, I just pull over and "they" jump in. No discussion of money, if they hesistate, drive away. Or, like numerous reports out of 1000+ from the mighty Kap..

If they seem to be too good too be true, guess what-- they prolly are LE.

H

[QUOTE=Candy Addict]Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.

Being at an AMP is not illegal.

Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.

Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.

If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.

So, the simple rules to follow are:

1. Cooperate completely.

2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."

3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.

4. Admit nothing!

5. Play dumb.

6. Admit nothing!

7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?

Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!

BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.

The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!

Good luck![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Tyrone Biggins]Allow me to opine on this with past experience(s).

Depending on the charge, the bail amount will vary. When getting arrested, the cops will take you to the station and take ALL of your 'property' and put them into a clear plastic bag with a tag that identifies it as yours. 'Property' is including but limited to: wallets, cell phones, keys, coins (in your pocket), rings/jewelry/accessories, belts, and even your shoe laces (if you have any).

*reason is that they don't want to leave an inmate with anything that he/she can use to commit suicide*

If you have the cash in your wallet, you can probably let the holding officers know that you have enough cash to bail you out. If not, then your 1 phone call is probably what you will need to use to have yourself bailed out. Just remember to memorize your best friend's/most reliable friend's phone number, as you won't be able to go through your cell phone for the number.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Great Information. Thank You Candy and TB.

[QUOTE=Candy Addict]Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.

Being at an AMP is not illegal.

Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.

Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.

If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.

So, the simple rules to follow are:

1. Cooperate completely.
2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."
3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.
4. Admit nothing!
5. Play dumb.
6. Admit nothing!
7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?

Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!

BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.

The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!

Good luck![/QUOTE]
This is exactly what happened to me at PT a year ago except they didn't try to get me to admit anything they just checked my ID and then I heard them say "we can't hold him for anything"
It was almost humorous to watch a bunch of arrogant pigs wearing ski masks talk to me like I was their *****. I was tempted to ask them how much they make going around acting like Baretta on crack.

[QUOTE=Candy Addict]Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.

Being at an AMP is not illegal.

Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.

Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.

If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.

So, the simple rules to follow are:

1. Cooperate completely.

2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."

3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.

4. Admit nothing!

5. Play dumb.

6. Admit nothing!

7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?

Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!

BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.

The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!

Good luck![/QUOTE]Thanks for the 411. I remember pulling into the VIP parking one nite all bus. Drove down and saw hellah cops in mask and crap. It was late but I didn't panic just dove down turned around and left. And got sober real quick. Knowledge always makes a tough experience a little easier to survive. Thanks again if its me in the room when they do a raid at least I know. LOL Kiss my a** goodbye.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]One risk of Mongering is LE stings and raids.

With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids? (Like say your "just looking"...)

Also if you are arrested, can you bail your self out of jail or do you need to call your best friend or SO to go down to the Beretania Police Station to bail you out? How much cash should you carry as emergency money?

Anyone know the routine if you do get taken in?

Just wondering.[/QUOTE]Once, way back when, I was in Arisoo during a raid. Fortunately I wasn't in a room during the raid, I was in the waiting area because all the rooms were full (presumably with the undercovers). While I was waiting I was watching t. V. With some other guy who was also waiting and I happened to see a bunch of LE in ski masks and bullet proof vests walking up the little walkway on the surveillance cameras. All I could think of then was F***! All they did though was ask for our ID's and take down some info. They didn't ask any questions and they told us we shouldn't come back. Saw the undercovers come out from the back in ski masks too and couldn't help but wonder how far they actually let the session get till they call in the backup. As for if they actually take you in, I bailed my friend out once and I now know that they don't take checks. So if you have to get someone out you have to bring cash. The amount depends on the crime and how much they decide to set bail at.

Does anyone know if they log open a file on you they run your ID? Or, do they just run the check and not track anything further?

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[QUOTE=Cleanman]One risk of Mongering is LE stings and raids.

With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids? (Like say your "just looking"...)

Also if you are arrested, can you bail your self out of jail or do you need to call your best friend or SO to go down to the Beretania Police Station to bail you out? How much cash should you carry as emergency money?

Anyone know the routine if you do get taken in?

Just wondering.[/QUOTE]If LE raids an AMP while you are there and you do not have any outstanding warrants or have any illegal items on you (drugs, guns etc.), LE will most likely let you go after determining your ID and asking you some questions. Be polite and respectful to the officers.

If you are arrested for Prostitution in an LE Sting Operation (undercover SW or Escort/Craigslist ad), expect the Bail amount to be at least $500. It could be more depending on the circumstance such as you have a previous arrest/conviction for Prostitution. If you do not have the required bail amount on you, and you are unable or unwilling to call someone to post your bail (Cash Only), the police will hold you in custody until you can be taken to court. At court, the judge will decide weather to release you or hold you in custody until your next court date. If the judge decides to hold you in custody, you still can post bail to get released. Keep in mind that if you get arrested on a Friday night and cannot post bail, there is no court until Monday (Tuesday if Monday is a State Holiday), and you will be sitting in the HPD Cellblock all that time.

If at court the judge decides to hold you in custody, you will be taken to OCCC (Oahu Community Correctional Center). PRISON!

[QUOTE=Strong Mojo]Does anyone know if they log open a file on you they run your ID? Or, do they just run the check and not track anything further?

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They don't track you unless they have a valid reason to. Merely being present when they raid an AMP is not a vaild reason. HPD runs literally hundreds of warrant checks, NCIC checks, license plate checks, etc., per day. They'd need humongous computer resources to track every person or car they run a search on.

[QUOTE=Stangman808]

If you are arrested for Prostitution in an LE Sting Operation (undercover SW or Escort/Craigslist ad), expect the Bail amount to be at least $500. It could be more depending on the circumstance such as you have a previous arrest/conviction for Prostitution. [/QUOTE]
Additionally, if the alleged offense occurred on a street within a designated "weed and seed" area, the cash bail will be raised to $1000. (For anyone interested in the boundaries of the Downtown and Palama "weed and seed" areas, about two months ago I posted maps of those two areas in the "Downtown" thread.)

[QUOTE=Candy Addict]They don't track you unless they have a valid reason to. Merely being present when they raid an AMP is not a vaild reason. HPD runs literally hundreds of warrant checks, NCIC checks, license plate checks, etc., per day. They'd need humongous computer resources to track every person or car they run a search on.[/QUOTE]Don't kid yourself. When they write up a report on a raid they probably list everything and everybody that they encountered while there. They have to keep detailed records in case something happens or liability issues. I'm sure there is a number cruncher somewhere that has a spreadsheet of customers that they encounter at AMPs (and probably also a list of people they stopped downtown during their sting operations. Such as a traffic stop). So if a person got stopped more than once they probably know that so and so was there for mongering. During their sting operations they probably take down license plate numbers of suspected johns cruising downtown so are aware that you are a possible john when you drive by.

While they run many checks every day throughout honolulu they probably have a separate book for their sting and AMP operations. That's only because the people running the operation aren't your usual everyday LE.

[QUOTE=Kapalua]Additionally, if the alleged offense occurred on a street within a designated "weed and seed" area, the cash bail will be raised to $1000. (For anyone interested in the boundaries of the Downtown and Palama "weed and seed" areas, about two months ago I posted maps of those two areas in the "Downtown" thread.)[/QUOTE]Another aspect of being arrested for Prostitution or any criminal offense in a WEED&SEED area is that the judge has the OPTION of imposing a Geographic Restriction on you, meaning that you are ordered to stay out of the WEED&SEED area. If this is imposed on you, HPD has the authority to arrest you for violating the judges order if you are found in the area. Even if you are not doing anything illegal, they can arrest you for violating the Geographic Restriction.

Just wanted to say thanks to both of you for the informative posts. I must admit I am getting pretty educated as well as entertained by them. I've always heard that experience is the best teacher, as long as its someone else's.

BTW, kap congrats on the 1000+ posts.

Jay

One of the local Girls, at Lavender told me after I asked to be washed standing up instead of lying down, that the MS' clean the TS table with some "korean" natural type of cleaner when it's slow, and added not that offten. She told me I was not the first customer to ask not to lay on the table to be washed.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]One of the local Girls, at Lavender told me after I asked to be washed standing up instead of lying down, that the MS' clean the TS table with some "korean" natural type of cleaner when it's slow, and added not that offten. She told me I was not the first customer to ask not to lay on the table to be washed.[/QUOTE]

Yikes!
That is just disgusting. I actually do opt to take TS whenever I'm there. Now I know to do it standing up from here on.
Thanks, brother.

What's funny is that many of the mongers on this HI site will now start requesting standing showers. The providers that read the forums will now know "eh...you read the forums ah."

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I still remember this comment from one of these forums a while back:

Q: "How often do they change the sheets"

A: "Whenever they need new curtains"

Gherkin



[QUOTE=Tyrone Biggins]Yikes!
That is just disgusting. I actually do opt to take TS whenever I'm there. Now I know to do it standing up from here on.
Thanks, brother.[/QUOTE]

That's very funny, LOL, but true. Hey I love a good TS, as she plays with your down there with soap (just like I do at home), but the thought of what might be lying there with your boys takes the fun out of it.

However a good provider will make the best of a standing bath and stroke you clean and then reach under you from the front and clean the back room, ohooo..like Million does very nicely.

[QUOTE=Strong Mojo]What's funny is that many of the mongers on this HI site will now start requesting standing showers. The providers that read the forums will now know "eh...you read the forums ah."

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[QUOTE=Cleanman]That's very funny, LOL, but true. Hey I love a good TS, as she plays with your down there with soap (just like I do at home), but the thought of what might be lying there with your boys takes the fun out of it.

However a good provider will make the best of a standing bath and stroke you clean and then reach under you from the front and clean the back room, ohooo..like Million does very nicely.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone ever taken a blacklight to the room? After that, it will probably be standing TS, and fcuking in the standing position only.

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[QUOTE=Strong Mojo]Has anyone ever taken a blacklight to the room? After that, it will probably be standing TS, and fcuking in the standing position only.

sm[/QUOTE]Now that is just funny.

Yup I think your totally right. and bring your own plastic bag to put your clothes in til your done. Don't go drunk you might not be able to dress. LOL. What you said was classic.

Had to laugh out loud, Thank you for the laugh, funny SM!

[QUOTE=Strong Mojo]Has anyone ever taken a blacklight to the room? After that, it will probably be standing TS, and fcuking in the standing position only.

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Was wondering.

Is there some question(s) you can ask a provider or pimp durring the scheduling phase or meeting phase that if they were LE ,they would have to tell you they are or can they just lie to you? Is there a time tested question?

I can see just flat out asking if youre LE to them, but can they lie back.

I read where one member asked the provider to meet him in the lobby and take a drive around the block to prove not LE.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]Was wondering.

Is there some question(s) you can ask a provider or pimp durring the scheduling phase or meeting phase that if they were LE ,they would have to tell you they are or can they just lie to you? Is there a time tested question?

I can see just flat out asking if youre LE to them, but can they lie back.

I read where one member asked the provider to meet him in the lobby and take a drive around the block to prove not LE.[/QUOTE] LE has no legal obligation to tell you that they are LE if you ask them. If they are doing an undercover operation, saying they are LE when asked defeats their purpose. Remember, the violation of Prostitution occurs when there is an agreement for "sex for a fee", the act itself DOES NOT have to actually occur. LE will try to get the customer to say what sex act (s) they want and how much they are willing to pay. If you have a provider pressuring you from beginning to say what sex act (s) you want and how much you are willing pay, be careful. Also if a SW refuses to get into your car and only will discuss business through your car window, again pressuring you to say what sex act (s) you want and how much you are willing to pay, be careful. Undercover female LE are instructed never to get into a customers car. Using street vernacular or slangs to describe the sex act (s) and fee will still constitute a violation. Some say the touching test is a good method to tell if the provider is LE.

Tell the provider that you want to touch their breast or private area to prove that they are not LE.

I lifted this from another forum in Las Vegas. It was in response to a question I posted asking if anyone wanted to share stories about getting "busted". This VERY long response is from a provider named Vickie. It has quite a bit of good info if you take the time to sift through it.

Yes, I know it's long......


Not only have I been arrested - but as you can imagine I've heard clients tell me their busted stories and my girlfriends their busted stories - and they are a huge variety of them.

I had a gf once that was living and working out of a hotel. The hotel swtichboard operator reported to the desk there was a high volume of phone calls to her room. Security contacted LE who then had someone call her to set up an appt. She was busted. Now she only takes calls on her cell phone.

I've heard stories from men that when the hotel has seen a lot of men come and go - LE will stand outside the girl's room and when the men leave they will hassle them and see if they could get a confession out of anyone. Once they got some guy to confess - they then went and arrested her too. I think that's why she walks all of her clients out to their cars now - so she can see what's going on in the parking lot.

A client of mine told me about a girl out in broad daylight and looking like a hooker out for business he picked up. He was busted. He asked her for a BJ and she arrested him. I think that's why now he always asks a chick to flash him a boob before he talks openly to her.

I only would go to a house when the phone number was listed to someone at the same address. The reason being that LE always takes over vacant houses and does stings for short periods of time - they never have the time to get a phone number listed in the phone book.

That only didn't work for me once. I had a pimp try to recruit me to work for him by promising me he had LE on his payroll and could "protect" me if I worked for him. I refused and a few days later got a call from a listed phone number in a nice neighborhood. I went to the house and when I asked to see the bedroom for a tour of the house as I always do so I can see if there is any LE in the house anywhere - he shuttles me to the couch instead. That was weird because usually men don't balk at me asking to see the bedroom and take me to the couch instead. When I asked what was going on - he said he wanted to talk to me "first". I said okay and then he asked me the typicali "what am I going to get for my money". I responded to that question as I always do by saying I think there's been a misunderstanding and that I'm going to leave. I handed him back his money and said I was leaving - and he arrested me anyway. Granted the charges were dropped because I didn't say anything wrong and had no priors. The pimp then called me once I was released and re-invited me to work for him. I changed my phone number and moved to another town!

What's interesting was about a year later. I read in the papers that the police had set up a "fake" escort service by the same name as the one where this pimp worked! It turned out they were all cops. They were hiring escorts and sending them out on calls FOR TWO YEARS. At the end of the two years - they took all of the information and busted everyone all at once.

When they were booking me - the cops took my pager. They then had a female officer answer the pages and say they were friends of mine. They then sent out a female detective to these mens' house and busted them. They offered each of them a shorter sentence if they would agree to testify that I had been a prostitute when they were trying to get charges pressed against me. Thankfully my clients loved me enough not to do such a thing - or I guess my charges wouldn't have been dropped for lack of evidence. That or most of my clients had enough money to hire lawyers or be lawyers themselves!

Fake ads, fake reviews, fake websites, all of that are common by law enforcement to get providers and clients arrested.

I know that when I used to do incall I would greet a man at the door with a robe and ask him to please get undressed without saying anything about money or anything. I found the true clients were more than happy to get undressed. The cops would balk and I'd throw them out. I knew another spa that would do the same thing - they would have them undress first to have a shower first. They avoided arrests for years this way. I have never heard of a female or under cover cop insisting that the client be naked before they will discuss money. I think if a girl is asking you to disrobe before she discusses money with you - that's a good sign. I've even gone so far myself now with webcam technology to ask a guy to expose himself on live webcam before talking money with him. No a picture of his dick won't do because that could be fake also.

For a client - I think you have to be careful of anyone who talks about sex or money for sex with you out and out. I say that also because as a provider often sex doesn't come up with the demand for my services. Sometimes men just walk to talk, go to dinner, play out a fantasy, or do a million other things other than having sex. I know that and tend to ask other questions to find out what kind of services he wants from me. Every cops show I've ever seen or any bust I've been told about by a client has been the girl offering a sex act for money while she's fully clothed.

Never have I heard of a female officer willing to flash or disrobe before arresting someone - while sadly I've had many a gf tell me of a man being naked or even having sex with them right before being arrested. There was a famous sting here in Vegas where the cops made the girls dance around naked and then arrested them. In the photos of this - the men that were the cops were sitting around fully dressed and the women naked. Which is why if a man askes me to get naked - I refuse to until he's done the same. If a man has not taken all of his clothes off or exposed himself to me in some way - I'm not going to take any of my clothes off either.

I went on a call once where the man asked me to come to his hotel room. I verified he was registered in the room and took a credit card deposit from him. The only reason I ask for a credit card deposit from a client in a hotel is to verify he's not a cop. I always refund the deposit once I get there and take his cash and know he's not a cop. What happened however was I was stopped by hotel security right as I got off the elevator on his floor. They took me into the back room and emptied out my purse. They photographed me and told me that I was no longer welcome in the hotel and if they saw me again I'd be arrested for trespassing. I always have an agreement with hotel guests that if I'm stopped - they are to say I'm their neice coming to see them. They called the client who said I was his neice. He said the right thing - which is the only reason why they didn't arrest me or him I think. When I asked why they stopped me - it turns out that hotel security literally eaves drops on every call made from the rooms. They over heard us making the arrangements. This is why when a man calls me from a hotel location - I always now ask if he's on the hotel phone or a cell phone. You need to call from a cell phone. When the girl needs to check you're a guest and you're in the room - do not talk business on the hotel phone.

I was also stopped another time for something like this as I was leaving the hotel. I had a client pay me $1000 in 10 $100 bills. After we spent some time together - I left. As I walked out of the elevator I was stopped by security who told me the guest had said I stole his money. I had been warned about this kind of scam from the women who taught me about this bueiness and for that reason I always hid my money so it couldn't be found if I was searched. I denied stealing anything - and said were were just having a quarrel because I refused to sleep with him after going back to his room for a drink a to why he accused me of such a thing. When they couldn't find the cash - they had no choice but to let me go - but not without a warning to not come to that hotel again. That's because they found all kinds of intesesting things in my purse like condoms and toys and lingerie - and said these along "proved" I was a hooker. He couldn't claim I was a hooker - because he didn't want me arrested - he wanted his mone back. i found out later from a few girls he'd pull this stunt on a lot of them. He way of getting laid without paying for it. It happens.

I've heard of this happening with other girls - their condoms are considered "evidence" they are hooking. For this reason I've become a retailer of sex novelties so that when I"m stopped now and they pull out condoms and toys and lingerie and try to call it "evidence of being a hooker" - I show them my cards that I'm a novelty saleswoman and these are in fact my "demos" that I carry with me at all times. They have gone so far as to verify I'm in fact registerd with the company to sell these products - and thank God I am or I might have been in even more trouble!

Where one has to be careful is with pandering laws. I was working out a hotel once and I had a guy call me up and he didn't answer my questions right. So I refused to see him. I go out to walk my dog and I see the police there arresting the desk clerk. I don't post pictures of myself anywhere so I can walk right up to a cop and he won't know who I am or who he's looking for exactly for times like this. I was able to walk over the guy and when the cops weren't looking and I looked like I was just out walking the dog asked him what was going on. He said the police were arresting him for "pandering" because he took tips from the "hooker in room such and such". Turns out taking cash for any reason from a "known prostitute" is pandering. He knew who I was even though the cops didn't and since it was my fault - I told him I'd get him out. I did and when I talked to him - he said they arrested him and threatened to charge him with pandering "me" if he didn't agree to testify as to me operating as a prostitute. Since I paid for his bail and lawyer - he denied everything and they couldn't charge him or me for that matter.

There are "conspiracy" laws now in effect in some states where if a "known" prostitute tells LE that you paid her for sex or if you gave her a phone number or if she gave you money for any reason - you can be arrested for soliciting a prostitute or even pimping and/or pandering. They do not need any evidence to prosecute you under those laws. So what's happening is now more and more hookers are making false claims against people in order to get a better deal for themselves. It's a shame - but I know a few people this has happened to falsely.

Fear of LE arresting me falsely is one of the reasons why I know always ask for a deposit on a credit card before I agree to meet anyone anywhere for any reason. I explain that if I was a cop - I wouldn't be able to charge them like this (there has never been a sting I've ever heard of where the cop took a credit card or offered one that was charged). Once I have been assured everything is fine with someone - I will then reverse the deposit and take the cash now.

Calling a licensed agency for a date isn't an assurance of not being sent a cop either. I know of one time an agency was raided and the cops took over the phones for the night. Then the cops answered the phones and then sent out female cops to the clients and then arrested them there.

Again when calling a licensed agency - you have a 99 percent chance the women are not cops. If you question the phone girl about who is available and she only quotes you one type of female - it's not a good sign. That might be because they only have one female cop of one type description to send they are talking you into.

The only things I've so far seen in common in order for both providers and hobbiests to avoid honest or even fake arrests is that law enforcement will not offer to pay for a date with a credit card that processes. I've seen them hand it over and say they will pay by credit card - but it won't process as they can't use their personal credit cards in the process of a sting. Neither have I ever heard of a female cop taking and charging a credit card in the process of a prostitution sting.

Sadly I have heard of men exposing themselves and even having sex with the providers - so men know that exposing yourself to me isn't going to make me feel assured.

Another thing I've seen in common is the insistence of hearing words that sound like you're making an exchange of a sex act for money. The old "what am I going to get for this money" or "what do you want me to do".

If you're a hobbiest and a woman offers you a sex act or asks if you want a sex act - she could be just new and not know what in the hell she's doing - or she could be a cop. This is why when I get asked questions that have anything to do with sex explicitly - I just disconnect from all conversations and so should the hobbiest who really truly wants to be careful.

I found the agency that provided services to Spitzer to be quite interesting actually. They charged the client a $2500 "membership" fee into their "club". Once they received their agency fee - they would then send out girls where the girls took the money from the clients and they didn't get an agency fee from the girl. This protected them from being charged with pimping and pandering at the same time since the client was paying them - not the hooker. This is probably why Spitzer chose to use their girls after all the other agencies he'd investigatd.

This was a smart man that knew word leaking out he saw prostitutes could not only get him arrested - but cost him dearly as it has. It's a genius system in my mind - the agency being paid a hefty membership fee proved to them he was a client of means. The money from the client avoided them receiving money for a sex act or money from a prostitute's earnings. They then could send out women and the client could then negotiate with the girl directly for their actual fees. And once the retainer was paid - everyone could talk openly - as the tapes from the phone tapped showed was done.

Only thing Spitzer didn't count on was the phone tap and the tapes being released. If you guys remember the news- there was no way to arrest anyone on just the phone tapes. No one was able to link the sex up with the money at the same time with the agency's "membership" system. They had to release the tapes to the press in order to get anything done to anyone. Probably why they did it!

My advice to a hobbiest is when offering money or negotiating about money not to make it sound about sex at all. Offer a girl some money to help out with a bill, or to go shopping or follow her lead as to the language she wants to use.

And please know that a cop can tell you they are not a cop now and it's not entrapment. I've seen it on those videotapes they show of stings and now I know the laws have been changed. A cop can tell you he's not a cop and he or she can still be a cop.

Know that a female cop is not going to ask you to disrobe before discussing money either. I've probably watched 1000 cops shows of stings and not once has the female cop asked the guy to expose himself before discussing money. It's why when I go on an outcall I ask the guy to please consider answering the door naked or in a robe so he can expose himself to me when I arrive.

On the reverse though - I will not flash or disrobe when asked before I'm assured nothing is wrong for one reason - it's going to be hard to back up with a story that I'm not there for prostitution if I've flashed my tits or genitals during our negotations. I want to be able to say this is all a misunderstanding or I'm was only walking my dog or I thought I was there to go on a blind date and the victim of a practical joke or a million other excuses I can't get out of if (1) my photo is on an ad saying I'm offering sex for money or (2) if I'm flashing my tits after walking into a strange man's house or his car.

I might do other things like ask him to show me what he's got or grab his crotch and ask if he's happy to see me. Something again a female cop won't do.

A client also has to be careful about real hookers that have recently been arrested. Cops have been known to sit down women and go through their phone books. They will send out a female cop to the man's house and arrest him for soliciting a prostitute. I've seen them take the real hooker and make her call the guy and tape the phone call and then arrest him for soliciting a prostitute.

Which is why even if you've been having sex with this woman for years - if she suddenly tries to get you to say something like 'yeah I want head for $100" on the phone - you should back away from the conversation.

As a client I think the only 100 percent guaranteed way to not be arrested is to go to one of the legal brothels in Nevada. I know however that men all over the world can't all go to the brothels.

I know you gyys hate agencies - but the truth is that if you call a licensed outcall agency in clark county - you have a 99 percent chance the girl that shows up is not going to be a cop. I have yet to hear about or read about a sting where clients are arrested from a female cop being sent out from a licensed outcall agency. Not one.

On the off chance one was raised and the police took over the phones and send out cops - all you have to do is consider offering to pay for the appointment or a deposit by credit card. The cops won't process them. The other is to just not discuss sex in any way until you are comfortable you're with a true provider and not a cop. Ask her to disrobe or touch you - but not in an obvious way. One smart man I used to know would always have the money agreed upon on his coffee table when I walked into the door in plain sight. He would then motion it to me so I would know it was mine. We would then not say much of anything and when it was time to leave I would pick up my money. I would always hide it in case LE or security stopped me on my way out or home. Plus we had our agreed upon story that if I was stopped - I was his neice visiting him with him knowing my "fake name" and me knowing his full name so that it would hold up under questioning if it happened so they'd have to let us both go in case the house was tapped.

Personally I like the way the agency that served Spitzer did it - by charging the agency fee and then sending the girls out to do their own negotating. As a provider - I would know that any call I got from such an agency would not be LE because no cop is going to sell out $2500 for a "membership" fee when they're shooting for a prostitution sting.

Another safe way of avoiding arrest for a client would be to date a porn star. That would be proof she's not a cop. Of course I wouldn't offer her money for sex - I'd offer her money for "an appearance fee". If the porn star were to be arrested and set up clients in exchange for a lighter sentence - she wouldn'ta agree to see you for an "appearance fee" - she'd push you to want you to say you want sex. But the hassle with setting up a date with a porn star is she could be recognized entering your home or hotel room or people could recognize you're out with a porn star. If you can't risk that - you'd be better off doing an incall with said porn star.

A girlfriend of mine in California has been thinking of offering "sex lessons" as a way of avoiding LE. The cops can't arrest her for offering sex "lessons" and a cop would push her to say it was more than a "lesson". What do you guys think about that idea?

I happen to know a lot of porn stars. I've been thinking they could probably easily offer to do an "appearance" for an "appearance fee" to avoid problems with LE. Or they could offer to do a "home movie" with the provider. They could then discuss the sex acts they want to do in the "movie". The money could be for a video of the date to be produced instead of being sex for money. What do you think of that idea?

One thing I think I can safely say about LE is they seem more interested in getting you to talk about sex before doing anything sexual. That spa I knew about that was in business a long time - they would ask potential girls that were interviewing for jobs to please disrobe before the interview so they could see if they had any tattoos or disfigurements that would make them look bad a bikini. The female under cover cops would balk and refuse to do so. A provider underatands the system and did so. When a client showed up and was told he had to disrobe and take a shower before talking money with anyone - he was more than happy to get naked wihen the hostess asked to. The cops would leave when asked - or they would try to push her into saying something about "what was offered".

I know of one bondage house in Vegas where they only take clients who call from hotels and drive rental cars. They confirm he's a guest at the hotel. They ask to see his plane ticket and his rental car papers - and when they all match - they agree to let him inside. But this system not only leaves out the locals - it also can all be faked.

For the clients - if a girl seems more interested in getting you to prove you're not a cop before she talks about money - that's a good sign because I know that's my main interest when first getting to know someone. And just because you tell me this guy is your friend or some guy says he's your friend - doesn't mean I automatically trust him. Nor should you if a girl calls and says she knows a girl you've seen or even shows up with a girl you know. Cops take away phone books and use phone records and love to use real hookers to set up clients and men as pimps if they can.

I know of many police stations for example where when a girl got arrested for prostitution - when she'd call up one of her good clients and ask him to bail her out - the minute he showed up and paid cash they would arrest him as her pimp. In those cases - I'd suggest if you want to bail someone out - call a bail bondsman to do it. The police wouldn't charge them. The reason they'd do this was to scare the poor guy into confessing he'd seen her as a prostitute in order to drop the pimping charges.

Which is another bit of advice - just because you're arrested doesn't mean it will stick. Nor does not doing anything wrong mean you won't get arrested. Best to not say anything until you've spoken to your lawyer in those cases.

Also - while it's illegal to pay a woman for sex - it's not illegal to pay an agency to send you an entertainer. Nor for a million other little games - it's just when you say sex for money you're better off going to a brothel if that's what you want to talk about.

Another good point for a client would also be if a woman was a licensed masseuse and you were able to look up her license. I doubt any female under cover cops are going to go to the trouble of going to school and getting a massage license.

One tip I am a little afraid to pass on - because if word got around next thing you know LE is going to try it - is pets. I've never heard or or seen on TV or had someone tell me about - an undercover sting for prostition where there was a dog or cat. That guy that busted me - there were not dogs or cats in the house. Every house I've been to that was a solid good call - they have had a dog or cat. When guys have told me about going to a house where they got arrested - there was no dog or cat. When I watch Cops - and see a girl get into a guy's car that's a cop - I've seen him lie and say he's a clown and not a cop - but no pet in the car. When I've seen female cops posing as prostitutes - I've never seen them walking a dog. For years I took a pit bull with me everywhere I went (sadly he died of old age). I used to put my money in his collar so I wouldn't get robbed going from the guy's house to my car at night and also to protect myself driving around late at night. Plus no one would bother me or rape me if I was walking down the street with a pit bull. That's why I started doing it actually - I used to get crazy drunks pulling over when I'd be walking to my car or stopping in a 7/11 for a soda late at night - so I started taking him with me as protection. If the police pulled up and asked me why I was out on the street at night - I was walking my dog. Why was I out on the street at 2:00 a.m. with the dog in a area I didn't live in with my car down the street? I pulled over to walk my dog. I had one great client who bred siamese cats - his house was full of them. When I walked in - I certainly didn't worry he was a cop any longer. When I would be screening - it would always help when I asked if he had a pet - I needed to know if it was safe to bring my dog over. If he had a cat or other dog - I'd just leave my baby in the car to protect it from theft at night while in the guy's house. Which was a good thing because once I was walking back to my car and wa witnessing a guy trying to break into it right in front of me. As I was wondering what to do - the dog jumped up and snarled at him and he ran off! Also I would tell a guy when I showed up a his house with my pit bull that he had nothing to worry about unless he got fresh with me. Which was true - he would also just go lay down somewhere and sleep when I was visiting someone. If they got hostile with me or raised their voice - he'd perk up and then they'd back down. If I was a client and saw a girl walking her dog or came to her house and saw she had pets there - I'd say that's a pretty good sign. When undercover cops arrange a sting - they don't arrange to bring pets! Sometimes I think that's why a lot of drug dealers have pits too. It's a clear sign the dealer isn't a cop. I don't know though since I'm just guessing.

If I remember correctly Pretty Maids avoided arrest for a long time by Bruce negotiating the money and the girls not discussing money when they showed up. That seemed to work for a long time and for all involved. I'm not sure though because I've never been a client or a provider for them when they were around. I know when I went to interview with Bruce - he first asked me for some pictures. Then he asked me for nude pictures before he'd agree to meet with me. i'm assuming his logic was a female cop wouldn't send nude pictures.

Jrad0205,

Very good, and indebt look at what can, did, and could happen.

Thank you for your candor

Thank You Stangman, Good Information.

[QUOTE=Stangman808]LE has no legal obligation to tell you that they are LE if you ask them... LE will try to get the customer to say what sex act (s) they want and how much they are willing to pay. If you have a provider pressuring you from beginning to say what sex act (s) you want and how much you are willing pay, be careful...Using street vernacular or slangs to describe the sex act (s) and fee will still constitute a violation... Some say the touching test is a good method to tell if the provider is LE.

Tell the provider that you want to touch their breast or private area to prove that they are not LE.[/QUOTE]

Having visted MPs several years back I was always nervous about the place being raided while I was there. Which took some of the intensity away from the experience.

As I look at revisting MPs again I am somewhat hesitant for fear of LE busting the place and explaining to my wife why she needs to bail me out of jail.

Does LE prefer a certain time of day for these raids or is it entirely random? And how often can one establishment be raided. Say in a years time? I prefer to enjoy the MP experience during daytime/business hours versus late at night just because it seems to make sense that LE would raid a MP when it is most busiest.

Just curious as I am fearful of the potential embarassment if I am at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Great forum!