General Reports

(From today's Honolulu Advertiser.)

Bill to legalize prostitution looks for more support

The idea may not catch on this session, but a bill to legalize some prostitution in the Islands has the backing of at least 14 lawmakers and many women's rights advocates.

Supporters say they mainly want to start debate of the sensitive topic and explore ways to offer alternatives to decades of selling sex on Honolulu streets. The proposal has the endorsement of 13 co-sponsors in the state House, one sponsor in the Senate and the influential Hawaii Women's Coalition, whose members represent more than 200 organizations.

The prostitution decriminalization bill would permit sexual favors traded in private, and it would designate areas where prostitution is allowed.

"In general, talking about sex is scary for people," said the Rev. Pam Vessels of the United Church of Christ in Kalaupapa on Moloka'i. "We need to talk about it, not get excited about it and throw rocks at each other. Do we really care if consenting adults are engaging in sexual acts for money?"

Although it appears unlikely the bill will get a hearing in either the House or the Senate this session, its advocates hope more lawmakers will support it in time. A resolution may be introduced soon asking the Legislative Reference Bureau to study the proposal.

"It's one of those bills you do it for public dialogue instead of trying to get it passed," said Rep. Bob Herkes, D-5th (Ka'u, S. Kona), one of the bill's co-sponsors. "It helps to find out what the public thinks, and this is the way to do it."

Prostitutes have a hard time getting help if they're hounded by the police in addition to facing the dangers of their profession, said Tracy Ryan, head of the Hawai'i Libertarian Party.

Extensive arrest records make it difficult for them to find legitimate jobs when they want to get out of prostitution, she said.

Laws call for a $500 fine and up to 30 days jail time for soliciting prostitution.

"I've only found a handful of people who think prostitutes should go to prison, even though many people are concerned about prostitution," Ryan said. "By criminalizing them, you're only adding to their problems."

Honolulu police made 339 prostitution arrests in 2005 and 255 in 2004, accounting for less than 1 percent of total arrests, according to annual crime reports. Statistics for 2006 are not available.

Maj. Kevin Lima, commander of the narcotics and vice division, said he opposes the decriminalization bill because it would be more difficult for police to investigate child prostitution if paying for sex between adults were legal.

"There are some unintended consequences of that bill," Lima said. "It's probably not a good idea."

Honolulu has a long history of prostitution dating back to the whaling days, to the red light districts of Chinatown during World War II and streetwalkers in neighborhoods surrounding Waikiki.

Prostitution remains a significant problem today in part because Hawai'i is such a popular tourist destination, Lima said.

These women should be helped out of their situation, but legitimizing them isn't the answer, said Kelly Rosati, a spokeswoman for the Hawai'i Catholic church and executive director for the Hawai'i Family Forum.

"Oftentimes the point at which a woman is arrested is where help begins," Rosati said. "This is exploitation, and the woman deserves to be helped out of this industry."

But others argue that the real issue is that home and business owners don't want prostitutes in their communities, and they don't get much help in jail, said Meda Chesney-Lind, a University of Hawai'i criminologist and author of "The Female Offender."

"Maybe we can start having a conversation about being smart on crime instead of just tough," she said. "We don't criminalize other forms of victimization, so I don't think we should do that for prostitution."

It's interesting that the two most common reasons I always hear for legalizing prostitution, which is to tax them since we can't stop them and to enforce health care standards and checkups on them, weren't specifically mentioned. It seemed like they were basing it more on moral reasons, or the prostitutes' rights. Interesting.

And it was weird to hear about how child prostition laws would become more difficult to enforce. I always thought that legalizing it would also regulate who's okay to be a licensed prostitute. I'm sure the guy knows what he's talking about, but it wasn't that clear to me.

Primal Needs

PN I was also wondering about that. I would assume that it would be harder for child prostitution if it was legalized. As you mentioned you would have to be registerd and all. Anyway I didn't know that it was a problem here anyway. I've not heard anything on it on the news, ever. I do know there are online preditors and all, but that isn't the same.

Morally, do the women hate their jobs? Is it the only things that they can do? In most cases I would like to think not. It's a choice that they make often because it's easy money for them. Were they forced into the business? Did someone put a gun to their head to do it? I think not (again in most cases). I know there are a few cases where they are immegrants and forced into it, but those are very few if any. And that, I would admit is wrong. But if they choose to do it, then why the hell not. and even if they hate thier job, there are tons of people out there who hate their job but still do it.

Tendo

[QUOTE=Kapalua]Maj. Kevin Lima, commander of the narcotics and vice division, said he opposes the decriminalization bill because it would be more difficult for police to investigate child prostitution if paying for sex between adults were legal.[/QUOTE]
How is paying for sex between ADULTS being legal going to make child prostitution investigations harder? If every working girl is regulated; ie-health check ups, background checks (for age verifications amoung drug or other offenses), and practice permits/licenses after passing; there should be no problem with child prostitution. But we all know, this bill won't make it to a hearing anyhow.

[QUOTE=Belut Boy]

How is paying for sex between ADULTS being legal going to make child prostitution investigations harder?[/QUOTE]
It's just a "bogeyman" that law enforcement authorities can conveniently use to oppose any proposal to reform laws against adult prostitution.

[QUOTE=Kapalua]It's just a "bogeyman" that law enforcement authorities can conveniently use to oppose any proposal to reform laws against adult prostitution.[/QUOTE]I'll second that. I vaguely recall reading a quote from Maj. Lima in a newspaper articles a while back and thinking that his comment was totally off the wall and sounded clueless. I can't recall the details though. I suspect his comments were knee-jerk reactions to a question and not anything he'd taken the time to think through, though I have no way of knowing.

Also, some of you should note that the bills in question do not make any attempt to "regulate" anything other than where activities can/cannot take place. These bills would "decriminalize" rather than "legalize" prostitution. In other words, the bill simply says it's no longer illegal to engage in prostitution. It doesn't address licensing, health checkups, or anything related. This is actually a good thing for us and the providers because it eliminates a potential means of prohibiting prostitution through the "backdoor" of creating excessive and unnecessary requirements in the guise of "regulating" it. Much like some localities attempting to prevent abortions by requiring clinics to meet standards that even a Level I Trauma Center would have difficulty achieving.

I think this is the most sensible and progressive piece of legislation I've ever seen with regards to prostitution. Unfortunately, even the 14 sponsors don't expect it to pass in this session. They've said they introduced the bill to get people started discussing the situation. A bold move, and I applaud them for it.

CA

I think one of the things that we all will have to think about it what it would do to the business. What will legalizing prostitution do? How will the business structure of it work? Will it raise or drop prices? Will they have to have health insurance etc. Will it draw more providers from out of state? (note I believe in Quality not Quantity. Example Waikiki beach. While there are a lot of hotties out there there are a bunch of fuglies too that wear too little. But to each their own.) Will it draw more John's from out of state? It will increase the states income through taxes. Also the required tests will increase the need for doctors or atleast medical assistants.

Prostitution has been in Hawaii far longer than I've been alive. That's not going to change, so why not make it legal and let the govenment get something out of it. (tax etc.)

If legalized, will get rid of the pimps?

Again I don't see any coorilation between child prostitution and legalization. The only thing that I can think of is that the legalization would be some type of "entry crime", like how pakalolo is some times considdered an "entry drug". (bs if you ask me) Will it increase or decrease crime in Hawaii?

On a side note. I would love to live an a world where socially women wouldn't be ashamed for working as a prostitute/sex worker. Would I want my daughter to be one? No, I would rather her be a doctor/dentest/lawyer/business woman. But would it be better than flipping burgars, being a waitress (who has to smile fakely in order to get tips and put up with tons of cr@p)?

Bottom line, will it help the women themselves or harm them?

Just some thoughts.

-Tendo

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[QUOTE=Tendo]I think one of the things that we all will have to think about it what it would do to the business. What will legalizing prostitution do? How will the business structure of it work? Will it raise or drop prices? Will they have to have health insurance etc. Will it draw more providers from out of state? (note I believe in Quality not Quantity. Example Waikiki beach. While there are a lot of hotties out there there are a bunch of fuglies too that wear too little. But to each their own.) Will it draw more John's from out of state? It will increase the states income through taxes. Also the required tests will increase the need for doctors or atleast medical assistants.

Prostitution has been in Hawaii far longer than I've been alive. That's not going to change, so why not make it legal and let the govenment get something out of it. (tax etc.)

If legalized, will get rid of the pimps?

Again I don't see any coorilation between child prostitution and legalization. The only thing that I can think of is that the legalization would be some type of "entry crime", like how pakalolo is some times considdered an "entry drug". (bs if you ask me) Will it increase or decrease crime in Hawaii?

On a side note. I would love to live an a world where socially women wouldn't be ashamed for working as a prostitute/sex worker. Would I want my daughter to be one? No, I would rather her be a doctor/dentest/lawyer/business woman. But would it be better than flipping burgars, being a waitress (who has to smile fakely in order to get tips and put up with tons of cr@p)?

Bottom line, will it help the women themselves or harm them?

Just some thoughts.

-Tendo[/QUOTE]The use of "child prostitution" in the officer's comments was a way to strike a "fear/moral" code in the readers of the Honolulu Advertiser. It's pathetic, fallacious and illogical. Hopefully there will be a committee to research this issue in an intense matter.

If anything, providing the opportunity for providers to NOT be marginalized in the labor market will allow for protection i.e. legal, health, retirement; furthermore, this will permit so many independents to invest their earnings in mutual funds and other ventures in the stock market without having to lie on their tax reports concerning the source of their income i.e. shell companies, money laundering...

Another issue is safety. Being marginalized and looked down upon based on societal "norms" do not help sex workers when seeking help from the law.

In another forum, I posted that decriminalizing independent prostitution will allow for labor laws to negatively affect forced prostitution issues i.e. pimps, trafficking.

Nina Leila K.

[QUOTE=Tendo]I think one of the things that we all will have to think about it what it would do to the business. What will legalizing prostitution do? How will the business structure of it work? Will it raise or drop prices? Will they have to have health insurance etc. Will it draw more providers from out of state? (note I believe in Quality not Quantity. Example Waikiki beach. While there are a lot of hotties out there there are a bunch of fuglies too that wear too little. But to each their own.) Will it draw more John's from out of state? It will increase the states income through taxes. Also the required tests will increase the need for doctors or atleast medical assistants.

Prostitution has been in Hawaii far longer than I've been alive. That's not going to change, so why not make it legal and let the govenment get something out of it. (tax etc.)

If legalized, will get rid of the pimps?

Again I don't see any coorilation between child prostitution and legalization. The only thing that I can think of is that the legalization would be some type of "entry crime", like how pakalolo is some times considdered an "entry drug". (bs if you ask me) Will it increase or decrease crime in Hawaii?

On a side note. I would love to live an a world where socially women wouldn't be ashamed for working as a prostitute/sex worker. Would I want my daughter to be one? No, I would rather her be a doctor/dentest/lawyer/business woman. But would it be better than flipping burgars, being a waitress (who has to smile fakely in order to get tips and put up with tons of cr@p)?

Bottom line, will it help the women themselves or harm them?

Just some thoughts.

-Tendo[/QUOTE]The use of "child prostitution" in the officer's comments was a way to strike a "fear/moral" code in the readers of the Honolulu Advertiser. It's pathetic, fallacious and illogical. Hopefully there will be a committee to research this issue in an intense matter.

If anything, providing the opportunity for providers to NOT be marginalized in the labor market will allow for protection i.e. legal, health, retirement; furthermore, this will permit so many independents to invest their earnings in mutual funds and other ventures in the stock market without having to lie on their tax reports concerning the source of their income i.e. shell companies, money laundering...

Another issue is safety. Being marginalized and looked down upon based on societal "norms" do not help sex workers when seeking help from the law.

In another forum, I posted that decriminalizing independent prostitution will allow for labor laws to negatively affect forced prostitution issues i.e. pimps, trafficking.

Yep, Tendo--I understand your concern about a father's child partaking this as a profession. There are some that do realize that it isn't a destination but a means to their destination. Some just want to take advantage of their youth and zest for sex in order to make a lot of money in a small amount of time, so that she can finish her PhD and law degrees. :) :)

Nina Leila K.

Are there any adult stores in Honolulu / Waikiki that sell Japanese adult videos/CDs?

This girl used to work at princess a while ago then returned a few years ago for a short while. Princess closed and don't know what happened to her. She gave great BBJ when drunk, and didn't mid a little under the table action either.

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Stamina RX worked well for me in the past too, although it often gave me a terrible headache the next day so I haven't taken it since. But I've heard people have the same problem with Viagra.

Can Anyone tell me who in AMP"S give the best BBBJTC?

Or CIM?

Been going to these wonderful places since the first of Salon De Tokyo

And Hula Hands.

Mahalo everyone.

[QUOTE=Vegas Whit #1]Are there any adult stores in Honolulu / Waikiki that sell Japanese adult videos/CDs?[/QUOTE]
There is a small shop across the street (Kuhio Ave.) from the Waikiki Trade Center that sells some Japanese DVDs. It is next to the Hawaii By Night strip club. The Waikiki Trade Center is where the Zanzibar and Fashion 45 nightclubs are located. Their inventory is pretty limited, but they are in Waikiki.

Also try the Japanese bookstore attached to Nippon Video which is across the street from the Don Quijote store near the Ala Moana Shopping Center. It is located near the corner of Kaheka and Kanunu Streets. They have a section with Japanese DVDs. The ones that were made in Japan have the typical mosaic censor of men and women's crotch areas in accordance with Japanese law. Strangely, the a**hole can be legally shown--Go figure. They also have a selection of Japanese adult magazines. Many of them include DVDs inside of them. The magazines will clearly say DVD on them and will be somewhat stiff because of the disc. Obviously, don't bend the magazine or you may damage the disc. The price for these magazines with DVDs is typically around $12.95 and up with a few exceptions.

I just bought a few of these magazines with DVDs recently. I would avoid the ones that have more that 120-150 minutes of video because based on my experience, those tend to have very poor video image quality and are difficult to navigate. Also, some DVDs such as the ones in Cream magazine may be only of cute girls in school uniforms and swimsuits because the models are perhaps only 17 years old--These videos, of course, contain no nudity. Magazines and photobooks such as these are sometimes of Japanese teen pop stars. Other magazines are somewhere between Playboy and more hardcore fare. You can somewhat figure out the likely content of the DVD by examining the pictures on the magazine cover. It is kind of fun to buy a few of these magazines, take them home, and then find out what kind of video they contain. I have to admit that some of the Japanese women in those videos are astonishingly cute and pretty. I watch some of these DVDs, and I am almost ready to buy a plane ticket to Japan.

I wish that I could get a commission for referrals because I am sure that their sales will go up once people read this. Just do me a favor and leave a few good ones on the shelves for me. Hopefully, the added business will encourage them to increase the size and variety of their inventory.

Finally, Diamond Head Video has a fairly decent selection of Asian DVDs. Many of them are uncensored. They have several store locations. The closest one to Waikiki is next to the Rockza strip bar by the corner of Kapiolani and Kalakaua.

There are some other mom and pop type video stores that carry mainstream and adult DVDs. They will probably have some Japanese DVDs as well, but they may or may not be available for sale. You will have to ask. Blockbuster Video of course only carries movies up to an NC-17 rating, so you need not bother checking with them.

[QUOTE=Vegas Whit #1]Are there any adult stores in Honolulu / Waikiki that sell Japanese adult videos/CDs?[/QUOTE]
Quite frankly, today I think the best deal is to join internet DVD content sites like DeluxePass, 99BB, TokyoHot, VideoBox, AsianSexClub, etc. One month's fee costs the same as 1 DVD. When I join these sites, I usually download 50-100 GB from eacn of them. That's roughly 100-200 hours of video per month form each... For $25-30 average.

If any are interested, I'll post a review of all my favorite content sites!

[QUOTE=Hypo Luxa]Quite frankly, today I think the best deal is to join internet DVD content sites like DeluxePass, 99BB, TokyoHot, VideoBox, AsianSexClub, etc. One month's fee costs the same as 1 DVD. When I join these sites, I usually download 50-100 GB from eacn of them. That's roughly 100-200 hours of video per month form each... For $25-30 average.

If any are interested, I'll post a review of all my favorite content sites![/QUOTE]Please do post a review of all your favorite content sites, you might help me how join, and how to down load, I'm not very good on the computer.

Hypo, I think you might have helped me /w the computer one time

Thanks, you guys.

For BBBJTC(IM), you should try Eva at Tokyo.

I dunno if Mimi from PT is still there though, but she's another contender.

Happy mongering!

Actually most of the stuff on those sites can be found for free on other bit torrent sites. Especially chinese or japanese bt sites. Tons of stuff to download for free. With new stuff added every hour. You need to sift through them to get past the censored ones though. Not all porn was created equal. :)

Tendo

[QUOTE=Tendo]Actually most of the stuff on those sites can be found for free on other bit torrent sites. Especially chinese or japanese bt sites. Tons of stuff to download for free. With new stuff added every hour. You need to sift through them to get past the censored ones though. Not all porn was created equal. :)[/QUOTE]
True, but the disadvantages to a Torrent site, or the practice of torrents is the effort to chase down movies, no previews, and most torrent sites for adult content require registration with credit cards anyway. Now, that is MY experience. If you have some good pointers and/or free, quality torrent sites, please share.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Allbust]For BBBJTC(IM), you should try Eva at Tokyo.

I dunno if Mimi from PT is still there though, but she's another contender.

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]Is Eva Sophia?

[QUOTE=S Hunter]Is Eva Sophia?[/QUOTE]The answer is "Yes".

Has anyone heard of a masseuse named Tomomi in the Kuhio Prince. I know someone who knows her roomate and overheard them saying that whenever she gives massages she always wears extremely provocative clothes. Just wondering if anyone knows if she gives a happy ending.

Hmm I would say that isohunt is a good site. You can find just about anything there. It's also free. You need to know how to look for stuff on it though. Don't get anything that's less than 30 mb it's usually cr@p. And DON'T get anything that is an exe file. I try to stay away from zip's too. You can never be sure if it has a virus or not when you get compressed stuff. I'll add the asian site i use later, but it's in japanese so that might be tough for some of you guys out there. Heck it's tough for me. Lucky I can read some kanji. It gets me through alot on the asian sites.

Piratebay is ok but lots of their bt's have no seeds :<

BTW you will need to download bit torrent for your computer for this to work.

Have fun downloading!

-Tendo

Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. Now that I am actually in Waikiki I can do the scouting on these places and take in an AMP or two. Or three.

Saw this on YouTube and wished I could find this barber shop.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfITyRbwQSk[/url]

[QUOTE=TKO 147]Saw this on YouTube and wished I could find this barber shop.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfITyRbwQSk[/url][/QUOTE]Got a haircut at A's the other day and watched A give this guy the usual massage after the haircut. When she reached down to massage his forearms/elbows I swear she massaged his head with those massive tits of hers!

[QUOTE=TKO 147]Saw this on YouTube and wished I could find this barber shop.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfITyRbwQSk[/url][/QUOTE]

Interesting, although for a real experience, try the barber shops in China. They specialize in hj's on the cheap. Any hair cut you get is purely by accident.

AT2

[QUOTE=John Ross]Got a haircut at A's the other day and watched A give this guy the usual massage after the haircut. When she reached down to massage his forearms/elbows I swear she massaged his head with those massive tits of hers![/QUOTE]


That could have been me you saw getting the tittie head massage. It was great. Those tits are so big they even rubbed the back of my head when she massages my shoulders. I wish she would give me one on my other head!!

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$9 for a gallon of milk in Waikiki?

$3.25 for a gallon of gas?

$50 entrance fee plus $150+ for mediocre FS at a local MP?

Fuuuuuhk-dat-cuz. BKK all the way, suckahz!

I'm looking for a sensual massage, no release necessary and not looking for FS. Cute / hot women that give a decent massage. Something I won't fall asleep in.

Any recommendation?

Went to a massage in Vegas, and she kept pulling on me wanting to let her release me. Finally did $. 4 tip and $. 6 house fee.

[QUOTE=JFX][b]Hawaii Priciest State For Vacationers[/b]

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$9 for a gallon of milk in Waikiki?

$3.25 for a gallon of gas?

$50 entrance fee plus $150+ for mediocre FS at a local MP?

Fuuuuuh-kdatcuz. BKK all the way, suckahz![/QUOTE]Whats BKK?

[QUOTE=JasonNakamura]I'm looking for a sensual massage, no release necessary and not looking for FS. Cute / hot women that give a decent massage. Something I won't fall asleep in.

Any recommendation?

Went to a massage in Vegas, and she kept pulling on me wanting to let her release me. Finally did $. 4 tip and $. 6 house fee.[/QUOTE]I dunno about the looks, but you can get some decent massages from Paradise Spa, TLC and my current favorite is Pink Orchid (legit massages).

[QUOTE=JasonNakamura]Whats BKK?[/QUOTE]

It's the IATA (International Air Transportation Association) Airport code for Bangkok. If you travel a lot, it's the 3 letter code they use to identify airports. HNL = Honolulu, BKK = Bangkok, PEK = Beijing, NRT= Narita, Tokyo, LAS = Las Vegas, etc.

I think I just put a dozen guys to sleep. ;)

AT2

[QUOTE=JasonNakamura]Whats BKK?[/QUOTE]

BKK stands for Bangkok, Thailand.

[QUOTE=JFX] Fuuuuuhk-dat-cuz. BKK all the way, suckahz![/QUOTE]

I cant wait til November when I go to BKK! CHEE HOOOO!

[QUOTE=Man Jai]I hear they also do oil and thai massage at A's barber shop.

Does "A" give those massages too?

I have only been there once about 2 months ago so I don't know what the deal is now.[/QUOTE]

Read my post in "Massage Therapists", post #737.

I didnt get her name (the therapist) but she does NOT cut hair. Only gives massage.

Went to get a haircut at A's. Didn't ask for anyone in particular, but got a lady name. Viang? (damn, I'm just sofa king terrible with names. : p)

For my haircut, I just asked for my usual ("whatever you think looks good on me. ") and got a semi spikey cut. (my first. : p)

After cut massage was ok. Definately going back.

The reason for the Thanks?

Got into an. Well it wasn't an argument per se, but a long discussion where A, V(whatever) and the other girl kept insisting that I went there before. (it was my first time there. Honest! ) they kept asking "Then how did you find this place" and I kept saying, "the bus drives past it, and I also had a friend who lived nearby. " (both are true)

Well, in about a month (when my hair grows out.) and I'll go back for a second haircut.

[QUOTE=Sdrom]Went to get a haircut at A's.[/QUOTE]
Did you go today? Holy Shit A was looking especially hot. Super tight and tiny bustier and a low wasted (but long) skirt showing off that beautiful tanned belly and back of hers, along with her deep cleavage. God, I almost busted a nut walking by!

She is making her way to the top of my fantasy list. This includes famous porn stars or celebrities. She's that hot!

[QUOTE=Hypo Luxa]Did you go today? Holy Shit A was looking especially hot. Super tight and tiny bustier and a low wasted (but long) skirt showing off that beautiful tanned belly and back of hers, along with her deep cleavage. God, I almost busted a nut walking by!

She is making her way to the top of my fantasy list. This includes famous porn stars or celebrities. She's that hot![/QUOTE]

Preach it, idol. Every single GAD-DAMN-DAY she's LOOKIN HOT!!!

HI5 H.L. :D