Safe Mongering in Honolulu

One thing about transmission of HIV via BB oral, covered or not: Like many other transmission vectors, this is one that is "possible in theory". What the research says, however, is that it is not seen in practice. Given that BB and/or covered oral among the civilian and massagerati populations is very common, it should show up in the research if it happens in practice.

When they say it is "possible in theory", what they mean is that if there's blood and if it isn't killed by saliva and if it finds its way through a sore in your mouth, and if and if and if, then you could catch HIV. That's all true. It just doesn't seem to happen in practice.

For comparison, if you ride your bike without a helmet, you can crash and die. Compared to catching HIV from BB oral sex, dying from riding a bike without a helmet is a much more frequent occurrence. There are recorded instances of that happening. There don't seem to be credible recorded instances of people catching HIV from oral sex except where there are very obvious wounds. Needless to say, all mongers should avoid such situations.

In the sf redbook site, I read a comment from one brother who said he "inspects" the vagina before licking, by putting in his finger and testing for smoothness. Non-smooth = don't DATY. I've not done anything similar myself, but it was food for thought.

Note: I'm not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express (with a take-out girl) last night :)

Gherkin

Back when C. Everett Koop was the surgeon general, I watched an interview where he said realistically, the only truly risky way to become infected with AIDS from sexual activity is for a woman to receive an infected male ejaculation vaginally. He really dismissed almost every other scenario as being extremely unlikely... such as BBFS for the male, BB oral sex for either gender, etc. He did say that anal sex could be risky if conditions were met, such as both parties having open sores or abrasions and mixing blood.

But, the moral majority used it as a scare tactic to preach abstinence, which is why a "blanket" policy regarding any sexual act was promoted as risky. They made sure to say that covered sex was not AIDS-proof. Abstinance was touted as the only way to not catch AIDS (perhaps technically true, but it was over-preached).

Remember when Joycelyn Elders was s.g.? She came out and said that masturbation should be considered a form of a safe sex alternative. She was pressured to resign (or fired) by the conservative legislature for not towing the moral majority line of abstinence. Shows you how fucked up our government can be when health vs. politics meet.

Some mongers mentioned bringing their own condoms and supplies, "the good kind". I've had rubbers break on me long time ago (not with a provider), now I only use condoms when I monger. But the provider brings the condom and I assume they are good.

What is the best brand of Condom to use that won't break under the pressure?

Just wanted to mentioned that you also are at risk for NGU (Non-Gonococcal Urethritis), an infection of the urethra caused by germs other than gonorrhea:

* Chlamydia trachomatis (most common)
* Ureaplasma urealyticum
* Haemophilus vaginaliso
* Mycoplasma genitalium

and others. Usually treated with a single 1g dose of azithromycin.

Actually happened to me once after going BBFS with provider at CHM.
Other than that I've been lucky, but almost always use cover,

To limit chances of catching something, I usually use Listerine, obviously for oral rinse after daty but also on the penis. Not really sure if it helps.

Finally remember that the diamondhead center provides free testing and treatment for STDs. I get tested once a year.

Stay safe!

[QUOTE=Cleanman]What is the best brand of Condom to use that won't break under the pressure?[/QUOTE]And what about the lube and how it interacts with the condom. I've smelled baby oil in the bottles next to the "bed" and wondered about it weakening the condom. Almost all AMP girls I've seen (or can 'remember' seeing) pulled out thier own personal lube from their purse/makeup bag that they keep the condoms and cash in.

Would a AMP provider allow you to bring the good kind of lube too?

[QUOTE=Member#3973]Just wanted to mentioned that you also are at risk for NGU (Non-Gonococcal Urethritis), an infection of the urethra caused by germs other than gonorrhea:

* Chlamydia trachomatis (most common)
* Ureaplasma urealyticum
* Haemophilus vaginaliso
* Mycoplasma genitalium

and others. Usually treated with a single 1g dose of azithromycin.

Actually happened to me once after going BBFS with provider at CHM.
Other than that I've been lucky, but almost always use cover,

To limit chances of catching something, I usually use Listerine, obviously for oral rinse after daty but also on the penis. Not really sure if it helps.

Finally remember that the diamondhead center provides free testing and treatment for STDs. I get tested once a year.

Stay safe![/QUOTE]Listerine is the strongest antiseptic over the counter. I've heard of it for awhile now. After sex wether covered or not, wash up and wipe after with listerine. May burn a little but at least safe. Tell her it helps her breathe. LOL. Just joking on that.

O‘ahu HIV/STD Testing Site

(Free, Anonymous, or Confidential by medical record)

Diamond Head Health Center
STD/HIV Clinic
3627 Kilauea Ave. Room 305
Honolulu, HI 96816
Ph: (808) 733-9280

Walk-In, First Come-First Serve basis

Monday, Tuesday, Thursday & Friday 12:00pm – 5:00pm
Wednesday 1:00pm – 6:00pm

I called DHHC to find out how it works, they say it is compleatly anonymous but need to show a picture id, so not so anonymous. They said they don't give the test results to anyone but the person tested as it is confidential. She was also very encourging for me to come down to test. She said no one will know. When i asked what happens if test is positive does the dept of health get involved (like I read on earlier post) she said no, i said, so i can take my test results and go see any doctor of my choice after testing for treatment, she paused a moment and said, i would need to talk to a health nurse about that...so maybe big brother only watches you if test is positive?

I can not find the same type of anonymous std test services in Honolulu that brother Gherkin mentioned, i did see it on line but only in mainland cities just not here yet. Other type anonymous std testing service labs exist too (look on internet search std testing), but again none in Hawaii. There are also std home test kits availiable on line. Prices run from about $50.00 to $400.00 depending on type of test and number of tests ordered.

Anyone heard of anonymous std testing services in Honolulu? Some lab company (like DLS) should start one here.

I ended up using tstd because I couldn't find anything here on the island. Interestingly, when I phoned tstd, they said they "temporarily" didn't have anyone to send me to locally, but expected to do so "at some point in the future". So may be worth another call since a few months have passed.

Gherkin

[QUOTE=Cleanman]I can not find the same type of anonymous std test services in Honolulu that brother Gherkin mentioned, i did see it on line but only in mainland cities just not here yet. Other type anonymous std testing service labs exist too (look on internet search std testing), but again none in Hawaii. There are also std home test kits availiable on line. Prices run from about $50.00 to $400.00 depending on type of test and number of tests ordered.

Anyone heard of anonymous std testing services in Honolulu? Some lab company (like DLS) should start one here.[/QUOTE]

Went down there once a long time ago (paranoid ex.) All I know is you get tested (that Q-tip is going where!??!?) and you call into an automated phone system (giving a pass code) to get your results when they're ready. I forget whether I showed ID or not it's been years so maybe things changed.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]O‘ahu HIV/STD Testing Site

(Free, Anonymous, or Confidential by medical record)

Diamond Head Health Center
STD/HIV Clinic
3627 Kilauea Ave. Room 305
Honolulu, HI 96816
Ph: (808) 733-9280

Walk-In, First Come-First Serve basis

Monday, Tuesday, Thursday & Friday 12:00pm – 5:00pm
Wednesday 1:00pm – 6:00pm

I called DHHC to find out how it works, they say it is compleatly anonymous but need to show a picture id, so not so anonymous. They said they don't give the test results to anyone but the person tested as it is confidential. She was also very encourging for me to come down to test. She said no one will know. When i asked what happens if test is positive does the dept of health get involved (like I read on earlier post) she said no, i said, so i can take my test results and go see any doctor of my choice after testing for treatment, she paused a moment and said, i would need to talk to a health nurse about that...so maybe big brother only watches you if test is positive?

I can not find the same type of anonymous std test services in Honolulu that brother Gherkin mentioned, i did see it on line but only in mainland cities just not here yet. Other type anonymous std testing service labs exist too (look on internet search std testing), but again none in Hawaii. There are also std home test kits availiable on line. Prices run from about $50.00 to $400.00 depending on type of test and number of tests ordered.

Anyone heard of anonymous std testing services in Honolulu? Some lab company (like DLS) should start one here.[/QUOTE]

Good one Gherkin, I'll call tStd and post the results of what they tell me.

Cleanman

[QUOTE=Gherkin]I ended up using tstd because I couldn't find anything here on the island. Interestingly, when I phoned tstd, they said they "temporarily" didn't have anyone to send me to locally, but expected to do so "at some point in the future". So may be worth another call since a few months have passed.

Gherkin[/QUOTE]

The test is free and so is treatment. It is not anonymous since you have to provide an ID, but it is confidential.
You can call to get the results of the HIV test and for the gonorrhea/chlamydia tests. If you are infected, you are expected to go back, but I have been lucky sofar except for the NGU, which they treated during my initial visit.

At least some of our tax dollars are used wisely :-)

I get tested there every year, and yes, that Q-tip probe is very painful.

A few posts farther down in this thread debate causes of STDs. The chart in the following URL (from the San Francisco Clinic) seems to lay it down pretty well.

[url]http://sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp[/url]

The recent messages of a forum member who said he was infected with both genital herpes and HPV (which caused genital warts) present an interesting question. Both genital herpes and HPV can potentially be transmitted to a sexual partner even if a condom is used and even during times when there are [b]no visible symptoms[/b]. Thus, I'm sure that we would all agree that a provider infected with genital herpes and/or HPV should inform a customer that she is infected, so that the customer can decide whether or not to take the risk.

However, what are the views of the forum membership on whether a customer has a duty to inform a provider that he's infected with genital herpes and/or HPV, even when there are no visible symptoms, so that the provider can decide whether or not to take the risk? Of course, doing so may make it much more difficult for the customer to find a provider willing to service him. On the other hand, it could seem hypocritical to maintain that a provider should have a duty to warn a customer, but a customer doesn't have a duty to warn a provider. What say you?

[QUOTE=Kapalua]The recent messages of a forum member who said he was infected with both genital herpes and HPV (which caused genital warts) present an interesting question. Both genital herpes and HPV can potentially be transmitted to a sexual partner even if a condom is used and even during times when there are [b]no visible symptoms[/b]. Thus, I'm sure that we would all agree that a provider infected with genital herpes and/or HPV should inform a customer that she is infected, so that the customer can decide whether or not to take the risk.

However, what are the views of the forum membership on whether a customer has a duty to inform a provider that he's infected with genital herpes and/or HPV, even when there are no visible symptoms, so that the provider can decide whether or not to take the risk? Of course, doing so may make it much more difficult for the customer to find a provider willing to service him. On the other hand, it could seem hypocritical to maintain that a provider should have a duty to warn a customer, but a customer doesn't have a duty to warn a provider. What say you?[/QUOTE]I very much agree, but in the past I would have thought other wise.

[QUOTE=Exposed]I very much agree, but in the past I would have thought other wise.[/QUOTE]Problem is if everyone finds out no one or less customers, and once they got it they don't care they can't get it again. they already got it for life!