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Please be careful when taking/posting pics. I couldn't help but notice that much of a car's license plate is part of the pic in this post.

Thanks Forth Ryte, for this valuable information, "to be for warned is to be for armed". I wish the report had been posted prior to my problem. Everyone should read this and learn from it. I had to learn the hard way. Everyone be safe out there.
Thanks again Forth Ryte.



[QUOTE=Forth Ryte]I have not posted here for a while but I wanted to check in and tell you guys about somethings that happened in NYC.

There were reports earlier this year involving mongers getting stopped by LE. One or two had a girl in the car, one or two were just circling. These guys were not caught actually DOING anything but LE knew damn well what was up. To intimidate and hassle the monger, these mongers were handed summonses for things that could not possibly stand up in court. But LE knows the guy was still obligated to go to court.

I was one of those guys. Now that my story is over, I can tell my tale with the end results.

I was was handed a summons by "New York's finest" charging me with "intentionally obstructing vehicular traffic." Late one night on a deserted street, I pulled over to talk to a SW. I did nothing, did not pick her up, said nothing incriminating and drove away. Half a block later I saw flashing lights in my rear view mirror. They pulled me over and tried to get me to admit that I was trying to solicit the SW. Rule number 1 is NEVER admit to anything. They had no proof I had done anything wrong so they spent about 20 minutes in their squad car deciding what to do. Maybe the SW was really an undercover LE and they went back to listen to the tape. If so, they found I had said nothing about sex or money. Anyway, they got pissed that they hadn't nailed me for soliciting and wrote me up for "disorderly conduct" citing the section of the New York Penal Law that makes it a violation (not even misdemeanor) for intenionally obstructing vehicular traffic. Pretty hard to obstruct vehicular traffic on a deserted street. But, hey, they wanted to teach me a lesson and scare me off.

I went to court to answer the summons. I pleaded not guilty and told the judge what happened (I said, truthfully, that I had stopped to talk to a person on the sidewalk but told him that the street was otherwise deserted). It took less than a minute for the judge to get the point that there was no way I had violated the law. He offered me an ACD (adjournment in contemplation of dismissal -- which would leave me with no record in a few months). I turned that offer down and said I'd rather go to trial and have the police officer come into court and commit perjury. So he dismissed the summons right then and there.

This sounds like justice at first. But it was NYPD tryanny. They were pissed that I was not caught doing anything illegal so they figured they'd teach me a lesson.

That's the story.

My reasons for posting this here was in to add contrast to another post about a similar thing that happened in Philly but with different results. See [url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=477086&postcount=1379[/url]

Be careful out there, keep your wits about you if you get stopped, admit nothing. But if you DO get a summons, don't just roll over and assume there is nothing you can do.

-- Forth Ryte[/QUOTE]

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Hey guys!

I will be around Philly soon and I am looking fwd to sampling some of the local goods.

I was wondering if anyone can recommend a place to stay near the action (K avenue from what I can tell). Otherwise I was thinking of staying at a motel 6 or something of that caliber but hopefully not too far from the action.

I am not all that keen on the car date thing

TIA and thanks for all the reports!

Concarne

[QUOTE=Concarne]Hey guys!

I will be around Philly soon and I am looking fwd to sampling some of the local goods.

I was wondering if anyone can recommend a place to stay near the action (K avenue from what I can tell). Otherwise I was thinking of staying at a motel 6 or something of that caliber but hopefully not too far from the action.

I am not all that keen on the car date thing

TIA and thanks for all the reports!

Concarne[/QUOTE]

There aren't any hotels that you could leave and walk to the K. Nearest would be to get a room at one of the hotels on the Waterfront. That's only a few minute drive from the action and not too far that the girls will whine or want more money to go their.

Try the HJ on RTE1 not to far

I know you guys are getting the cameras up your way... I thought I would repost here a newspaper article letting you guys know how effective they've been here - you'll notice that there isn't one violation even close to mongering.
Anyways, just be sure to let your local prosecutor know.

BSR


[b]Prosecutors: Stats show blue light cameras not getting results[/b]

BALTIMORE - They’ve become an almost ubiquitous symbol of “the other” Baltimore — the blue-light surveillance cameras intended to deter crime on the streets of the city’s toughest neighborhoods.

But the Baltimore City State’s Attorney’s Office says new data they’ve compiled raise serious questions about the effectiveness of the close to 300 pole cameras posted around Baltimore.

The large majority of incidents caught by the cameras are drug crimes, not violent felonies; and arrests generated by the cameras are less likely to result in charges than normal police arrests, according to the first full-year of data about the program.

“This program is costing millions and millions of dollars,” said Margaret Burns, a spokeswoman for Baltimore City State’s Attorney Patricia Jessamy. “When the citizens invest in a public safety initiative, they want to see results.”

Baltimore police officers arrested 1,979 people between Dec. 17, 2005, and Dec. 31, based on video from the pole cameras. But 30 percent of those cases — 599 — didn’t have enough admittable evidence to result in a charge.

That’s higher than the police department’s total 2006 rate of arrests that do not result in charges, which is 21 percent.

Of the 929 surveillance camera cases actually adjudicated in 2006, 43 percent — 399 — resulted in guilty verdicts.

“Do these prosecutorial results support millions of dollars in tax expenditures?” Burns asked. “There will have to be public debate about this.”

But Baltimore police say there’s another — perhaps more important reason — for the cameras: Deterrence.

“Residents love them and so do front-line prosecutors,” said Baltimore police spokesman Matt Jablow, who cites a 16 percent decrease in crime in the areas with surveillance cameras. “The whole gamut of crimes have been solved by these cameras and countless other crimes have not taken place because of these cameras. Can you put a price tag on that? We don’t think so.”

The cameras cost $10 million to install with $3 million coming to the police department’s general fund and the other $7 million paid for between federal homeland security funds and seized money from drug dealers, Jablow said.

Former Baltimore Police Commissioner Ed Norris, who headed up New York City’s installation of cameras in Harlem in the late 1990s, said he believes they are a good idea.

“I think they’re effective and they’ve been proven effective in cities around the country,” he said. “Even if they’re only getting 400 convictions a year, that’s still 400 more than they would get without the cameras.”

At a glance

The State’s Attorney’s Office’s Pole Cameras report shows that the most prominent charge garnered by the cameras are for drug crimes.

[size=3][b]In all, the cameras caught 609 drug offenses; 24 charges of trespassing; 21 for illegal cigarettes; 16 for assaults; 12 thefts; seven weapons violations; five each for robberies and burglaries; and three for littering. There was one attempted murder, which prosecutors placed on an inactive court docket.[/b][/size]

Source: Baltimore City State’s Attorney’s Office

Hey BSR and Philadelphia Mongers

Look out for blue flashing lights on telephone and light poles, they house Robotic video cameras tied directly to LE in realtime. Yes it is Big Brother 1984. In Baltimore they cost $ 8 million and they protect our infrastructure from terrorism. They do work, there have been no reports of Al Qaeda, Mujahideen, or Hamas tagging Balmer Pussy, our city is protected thank God!

Big Red from Balmer

[QUOTE=BSR]Prosecutors: Stats show blue light cameras not getting results[/b]

“This program is costing millions and millions of dollars,” said Margaret Burns, a spokeswoman for Baltimore City State’s Attorney Patricia Jessamy. “When the citizens invest in a public safety initiative, they want to see results.”

The cameras cost $10 million to install with $3 million coming to the police department’s general fund and the other $7 million paid for between federal homeland security funds and seized money from drug dealers, Jablow said.

In all, the cameras caught 609 drug offenses; ..........and three for littering. [/QUOTE]Glad they caught those bleepin' litterbugs. Well worth the investment of several million dollars, isn't it?

I wonder how many ARRESTS occurred because of the cameras (i.e., they saw something occurring through monitors, and rushed to make arrests), compared to simply using the cameras to gather evidence. I believe the answer to this significantly determines the effect of the cameras on mongers.

I'm not sure whether the low effectiveness of the cameras is good or bad. There may be a huge push to show higher convictions/arrests directly related to these cameras, so they may increase emphasis on camera monitoring. On the other hand, public outcry may lead to reduction in these expenses. It seems that citizens like them, though, so I doubt they will disappear anytime soon, especially if the millions of dollars relate to the initial expense, and not ongoing maintenance/mongering.

These cameras effect mongers at least indirectly, as the drug arrests may take providers off the street.

Looking forward to seeing this on the 31st. I tried something similar with a yahoo group last year, but after zero participation I gave it up. Almost ready to retreat back to a lurking stage as just not enough info seems to be shared, except by just a few of us.

Funny that every time I post about a girl I get about 10 PM's from people with 0 or under 5 posts. I used to belong to an email group with about 10 guys 6 or 7 years ago, we were all active K mongerers and the info we shared was phenomenal. Also we never had to worry about backlash from girls who saw our posts or that we posted their pics for the world to see.

I tried checking out the K today and had no results. I saw a couple wsws who returned my looks, but neither looked that enticing.

The one girl who got my attention was waiting in the DD lobby area. I cruised up once and got a coffee, then a hour later when I was back up there she was still in the lobby waiting, watching cars/for the bus. She was about 5'5, 115-ish, long brown hair. Looked to not be an addict and like she was in her late teens/early 20s. I didn't try to initiate anything with her because she looked a bit too clean to be working (not that that would be a bad thing, mind you. This is only my 2nd trip to the K and I'd rather not press my luck until I have a better idea of what's up.) With some girls, it's painfully apparent, with her, I wasn't sure. I only thought the odds were good because. Well, why would you just hang out there on a Sunday night? I've never seen her photo posted here, so I unfortunately had no idea and can't really be much more descriptive than that if anyone has any idea as to who she is. Anyhow, I said Hello,,. She smiled and responded, but kept to herself and didn't invite more conversation so I didn't press the issue. Maybe I'll have the balls next time or I'll think of a better icebreaker.

Right after that a cop tailed me for 3 turns until some idiot thankfully peeled out at a stoplight in front of me got his attention and he stopped following me, so I headed home. LE was all over the place and I didn't feel like hanging around that.

[QUOTE=Slip66]I tried checking out the K today and had no results. I saw a couple wsws who returned my looks, but neither looked that enticing.

The one girl who got my attention was waiting in the DD lobby area. I cruised up once and got a coffee, then a hour later when I was back up there she was still in the lobby waiting, watching cars/for the bus. She was about 5'5, 115-ish, long brown hair. Looked to not be an addict and like she was in her late teens/early 20s. I didn't try to initiate anything with her because she looked a bit too clean to be working (not that that would be a bad thing, mind you. This is only my 2nd trip to the K and I'd rather not press my luck until I have a better idea of what's up.) With some girls, it's painfully apparent, with her, I wasn't sure. I only thought the odds were good because. Well, why would you just hang out there on a Sunday night? I've never seen her photo posted here, so I unfortunately had no idea and can't really be much more descriptive than that if anyone has any idea as to who she is. Anyhow, I said Hello,,. She smiled and responded, but kept to herself and didn't invite more conversation so I didn't press the issue. Maybe I'll have the balls next time or I'll think of a better icebreaker.

Right after that a cop tailed me for 3 turns until some idiot thankfully peeled out at a stoplight in front of me got his attention and he stopped following me, so I headed home. LE was all over the place and I didn't feel like hanging around that.[/QUOTE]Bet you were talking about Kate. She can sometimes make a fixture of herself at DD. If she doesn't know you she is very subtle about the approach.

Used to date her often when she first hit the scene, but stopped a bit over a year ago as her grooming became quite unkempt. Even though I'm into the shaved look on women, a little bush is also sometimes nice if kept right. But the last time I saw her there was hair growing out of the sides of her panties. After that experience I've never had the desire to see her again.

[QUOTE=RedDragon666]Try the HJ on RTE1 not to far[/QUOTE]Patio is OK for an hour but I'd have to be hard pressed to spend the night there. I've always considered myself lucky not catching any skin irritations from the short amount of time I spent on the beds, but all evening on one of them would be difficult. The Hub on US1 is about the same price and maybe a bit cleaner.

Hey,

I am sorta new to this group but this AM I had a delivery for my job at a place on Hunting Park. So I figured while in the area take a ride on the ave before heading back to the shop. While stopped at the 7-11 stand I noticed a WSW her name karen natural red head standing there on the corner. She told me she only come on the ave about twice a month and thats she wante 25 for a BJ and 50 for fs and was non negotiable but she was worth the 50. First time I had a girl tell me non negotiable is that something you other mongers experience alot? She also gave me her number and tole me to call if I wanted to see her and she was not out there when I go strolling.

Yep, that was her. I also spotted her Sunday nite. It's funny how she can wait there for the longest time while less attractive girls get picked up off the Ave in a matter of minutes. Like Davey, I stopped seeing her but my reason was of all the ladies that I have met out there, she is the only one without any future plans. I have heard dreams of becoming para-legals, nurses, vets, etc. but I found her lack of ambition to change depressing.

Still in all a very sweet girl, probably the nicest you will find out there. I always feel guilty when she sees me passing her.