Is Big Jay a Serial Antagonist?

Big Jay doesn't even come close to being a 'Serial Antagonist' , as defined in [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/announcement-serialantagonists.php[/URL] , to wit =

" Individually, [ A Serial Antagonist's ] reports would not appear to be deliberately antagonistic, yet he consistently seems to find himself in the midst of arguments with other forum members, at times even playing the role of the victim. "

So , I voted for =
[i] " No, I believe his writing style does provoke people, but not to the point of requiring action " [/i]

If YOU think he does meet the definition , post a Link to even one of his messages were he attacks &/or finds him·self in the midst of arguments with other Posters here

And to those of you who merely object to the Content of B·J 's Posts =

Heck , there was a guy on the Milwaukee Board named LookingForLefty — since retired — who constantly wrote about ass·raping Hookers , and he never came close to getting Banned . Read some of his Posts [URL="http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/search.php?searchid=568546"]here[/URL] for yer·selves ; may·be they'll give you a little 'perspective' on the 'Problem' of Big Jay

It is that he is not what this board needs, that is the main reason to ban him

Talking about rape (and about women in general) in the celebratory and degrading manner which big j does should be this forum's equivalent of talking about bombs in an airport. Do it, and you're forcibly removed from the place instantaneously. And based on the writings in this thread, it seems that most people here feel similarly about this.

I'm not sure that j can be fully defined as a serial antagonist, -- he's not picking on other forum members directly but his posts do have a highly antagonistic quality. He's also a self-proclaimed asshole, and admits that he has no desire to behave differently.

My feelings are that regardless of whether jay's posts are "serially antagonistic" or not, he brings nothing to the table. And while I commend you, Jackson, for running this forum as somewhat of a democracy, there is absolutely no need for the rules or judgements of the forum to be fair to anyone. There need be no free speech here. This is ultimately your forum, and you've been doing a great job of running it and maintaining a very high standard. Because of that we've all been rewarded with a huge membership and a fantastic community that we all enjoy on a regular basis. Your demand for high standards keeps the information quality exceedingly high, the writing quality very high and the community generally friendly and respectful. It keeps us all coming back day after day, year after year -- your high standards are the best part of this forum.

The behaviour of big j has no place here, and it never will. And if big j is actually behaving in the way he states he is in his posts, it's my humble opinion that he has no place on this planet, much less on this board. He is nothing.

My vote: do the right thing for this community -- show him the f****** door.

jmg


[QUOTE=The Don ATL]Jackson,

I totally disagree with your perception that he did not provide details of his alleged rape. In that one post he setsups a timeline of personal interactions, describes how he gained her trust and became her friends, claims he raped her and then boasts about how she cried "I thought you were my friend". If that last inclusion is not indicative of a predatory persona then nothing is. He was laughing at her weakness and bragging at his power. Thus is the mindset of a real rapist. It is that last statement about her cries that belies the lack of humanity in Big Jays motives and actions. And it is that statement that prompted me to request his removal from this board.

I do not personally like to inject myself into falme wars and other nonsense...so for me to step up and voice my opinion repeatedly on a topic means that I truly find it important. It is important that people on this board know that posts regarding topics that fall outside the morally debated range of our preferrred hobby will NOT be supported. Bragging about things like rape, or pedophillial or intentionally spreading VD should be topics which you as the Admin should find unacceptable and should uniformly act to punish and remove those poster. This is not a matter of free speech since this board is a private entity owned by you. It is a matter of community standards which you must establish and maintain.

Please make the rgiht choice and toss this creep, and then publicly take a stance against this.[/QUOTE]

He'll probably just sign up again but maybe he'll tone down his posts.

The thing is, that message he sent is fuel for any that oppose the hobby. I disagree with someone's post about it being fuel for the 'right wing'. They get horny too. And don't think your local left wing group wouldn't ban your local AMP if it will help get them elected. It works both ways.

The real issue here isn't what Big Jay did or didn't do. It is his attitude toward women. If that's being 'sensitive' then so be it. He did say the word rape and if you take it out I don't think his sentence 'still works' as implied by Jackson. And what he said after, about her crying etc. He raped her in his mind if not for real and more importantly gives sick minds like his support for their way of thinking. We're just not about that here. We can't be about hurting women like that.

I wonder, when people complained about his post, did he ever take it back? Explain what he meant etc.? I'm not going to research it. That one post was enough for me to cast my vote.

[QUOTE=JMG]My feelings are that regardless of whether jay's posts are "serially antagonistic" or not, he brings nothing to the table.
JMG[/QUOTE]He does post funny picks of many different STD infeststions!!! hahaha! not something you want at the table but still amusing!

Great decision Jackson. Can you do something about the people who repeatedly post CL photos of girls they have never seen in the Photo Gallery. It's annoying and they are blatantly disregarding the rules you have established. The Los Angeles - Craiglists Reviews section is a prime example. Thanks.

He did not violate this rule that is clearly posted:

"No Flaming: Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member"

I used to see and read what Nibu posted, then saw he was given his own thread, I thought then it was a privilege, and an honor for posting so much, but now it seems that is it is a punishment as with with Jay???

I do not believe this is any type of punishment or deterent. Hell, Jackson, please give me my own section, then when someone wants info, they can go there to see it. I can post all kinds of reports, links and info. I can read the other threads, then go to my own personal area and post answers and do what I want.

Or am I missing something here??? I this a deterant or a privilege, I guess I do not know the rules pertaining to a separate thread? Help, explain please. PW



[QUOTE=Pwhipped]He did not violate this rule that is clearly posted:

"No Flaming: Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member"[/QUOTE]

Jackson,

I am a long time monger and a lurker on your great Forum. This is my first post, I couldn't stand it anymore. I know it is not good to question the owner,But what the hell were you thinking? I don't understand how you could say Big Jay didn't rape the woman. He said he did and never denied it. Why did you even bother to have a vote. You went with the choice with the least number of votes and totally ignored the ignored the wishes of the overwhelming majority of voters.

Ivaf100

[QUOTE=Ivaf100]Jackson,

I am a long time monger and a lurker on your great Forum. This is my first post, I couldn't stand it anymore. I know it is not good to question the owner,But what the hell were you thinking? I don't understand how you could say Big Jay didn't rape the woman. He said he did and never denied it. Why did you even bother to have a vote. You went with the choice with the least number of votes and totally ignored the ignored the wishes of the overwhelming majority of voters.

Ivaf100[/QUOTE]


Well , your career here is certainly off to a Great Start , Ivaf100 !!

First , you insult [b][blue]Jackson[/b][/blue]

Then , you apparently didn't [b]*R*T*F*F*[/b] , or you would have realized that ALL of the people who voted against Big Jay were opposed to his single 'Rape' reference ; but that the Purpose of this Poll was to determine whether he is a Serial Antagonist , as defined here =
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/announcement-serialantagonists.php[/URL]

B·J clearly is NOT a Serial Antagonist by this definition
[ see = [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=378620&postcount=16[/URL] ]

So in the end , [b][blue]Jackson[/b][/blue] demonstrated the Wisdom of Solomon in his decision to restrict B·J to his own thread

This way , you oh·so·sensitive Souls here who didn't grow up on a steady diet of LookingForLefty , can easily avoid him — I guess it was just Too Much to ask you guys to simply add him to your 'Ignore' List

The rules are not being enforced, as we all can see.

Overt Serial Antagonists are easy to identify. Usually they start trouble almost from their 1st report, and after antagonizing a few people and subsequently having their reports edited, they quickly reach the Forum's maximum number of three Personal Attacks and are automatically banned.

PW

Jackson,

Since you've already made your decision and the usefulness of this thread is over, can you lock it? It's just a gripe session now.

[QUOTE=Pwhipped]I used to see and read what Nibu posted, then saw he was given his own thread, I thought then it was a privilege, and an honor for posting so much, but now it seems that is it is a punishment as with with Jay???

I do not believe this is any type of punishment or deterent. Hell, Jackson, please give me my own section, then when someone wants info, they can go there to see it. I can post all kinds of reports, links and info. I can read the other threads, then go to my own personal area and post answers and do what I want.

Or am I missing something here??? I this a deterant or a privilege, I guess I do not know the rules pertaining to a separate thread? Help, explain please. PW[/QUOTE]

This is actually a good idea. I agree with Jimmy. Restrict Pwhipped to his own thread, and he and his buddies can have their own "circle jerk" online and the rest of us can share info in a normal manner.

[blue]Greetings everyone,

After careful consideration of the poll results and the comments from the Forum Members, I have decided to take the following action.

Big Jay has been given his own thread, where I have moved all of his reports and those reports from other Forum Members who directly responded to or quoted his reports. Those of you who wish to join him in his new section are welcome to to so.

I appreciate everyone's involvement in helping me identify the true perpetrators of the discord in this forum. Perhaps now, everybody can get back to the subject of this Forum, which is:

[i]"The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex."[/i]

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]