Sugar Bowl. ILM

I've been saying it for a while now, boys. Such a bad idea to ever send a pic of yourself. Especially to the backpage girls.

[QUOTE=NCHobbyist69;3642736]Young lady with nickname "danilovelybug" in wilmington was chatting with me about getting together, was asking some odd questions and then requested a photo. I sent her one -- not of me though -- and she immediately started threatening to tell my wife and employer what I was doing, etc. Just confirmed my standard operating procedure of not sending photos under any circumstances.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3642848]Post a link to her profile. I've been in the bowl since 2010 and have never had this happen. If she has a nickname that mongers recognize then she probably a hooker and anytime you deal with them on sa or the street that crap can happen. Guys have to make better choices and selections on sa instead of playing like its BP or the street. Just my thoughts.[/QUOTE]"Whether it's BP or the street".

The quote of the year for anyone involved in any aspect of "this" world. People become far to complacent sitting online typing away.

I do zero social media and go so far as to rail on anyone in my life who puts a picture of me on their Screw-up-your-book-quickly page. When I look at photos of potentials I look more at what's in the background in those pics. You can learn a lot. A very smart and crusty SGT Major stood in front of the battalion one day telling everyone how all he needs to do to find out what kind of person they are is just walk through the parking lot and look into their POVs.

SA has been good to me. I am liking what it has provided even with all of the footwork involved up front to get some serious connections going. It's proven to be a very good value.

I just started right about the time I started this thread. A quick recap looking back has reminded me, anything I anticipated was going to be a good or great situation turned out to be not so good. The baby I mentioned going from Nando 5 and 3 to a 1 with possible demons sent me a text recently asking for a go fund me donation for her depression and treatment. Electronic transfer (traceable transactions) are a big no no for me. No chance I would have done such a thing anyway. No matter if her head game is best I have ever had or not. - The babies I had low expectations with going in have ended up being keepers. Their initial hesitancy as a result of dealing with so many flakes themselves led to my initial concerns, but once things have gotten started they've appreciated the dependability as much as me. One I see regularly and the others are for when I want to keep myself in check and hang out with some 'strange'. Allowances range anywhere from $ to $$ and time spent is 2 hrs to overnight, depending on life generally and how much fun we're having together. (more on this later).

There's definitely some common sense rules to follow and I think each of us has their own specific set of circumstances which will narrow down risks we are each willing to take. I am not married, have no need to hide this from a job or family otherwise and personally I have zero shame in this lifestyle and would not consider any criticism from any outside source to be a burden. I would even go so far as to say I would welcome the criticism as an opportunity to speak about it in a positive light. For me this is a preferential lifestyle compared to what society considers normal *but I also see through observations overall in today's world, sugaring itself is actually becoming normalized in a big way. (more on this later) - I can't imagine any genuine sugar baby is going to be willing to meet anyone without first seeing a couple of photos. Using a little caution beforehand is good business, but if there is going to be an opportunity at a SB / SD relationship there is going to have to be a bit of trust and someone is going to have to put themselves in a vulnerable position as things progress. Any SB's I have interacted with have already put themselves out via photographs on a live site and provided some form of contact information. SB's want to be able to enjoy the time with their SD's as well. It's not unreasonable for them to be able to look at a photo of us to see if there can be any attraction on their end. Still, due diligence is good business for us as SD's as much as it is necessary to keep our risk at a minimum depending on our situation. Using the flag system in POST #3 of this thread along with some common sense, it's really pretty easy to spot a Pro or UTR versus a true SB.

The value of sugaring is practically incomparable to escorting. I need time to get warmed up, catch up a bit on the week's events, eat, drink, relax and get very comfortable up to a point where we're taking breaks in between sessions just to catch our breath. The familiarity acquired in taking our time with things, allowing for a matured experience providing the best of times for both of us. If it's not like that I'm not interested personally. I just don't see that possibility with escorts.

- Over the period of a month there is some allowance given. Then the second month and so on. - Do a little figuring on this. - SB's are not escorts per say. But there is still a giving and taking which occurs. Without one and something to give there will be no taker to be found. As good as the relationship may be, SD's aren't coming off with $ for nothing and vice versa which is only fair to all. Throughout the period of a month with just one SB at $ per with 10+ dates, that's 1 k+ per month. $$ per date is 2 k+ per month. Add additional SB's to the stable, increase the number of visits or allowance given. I look at things from an investment perspective it's just my nature. That's helpful retirement funds, a mortgage on a second investment property, maybe a ferrari if that's your thing. The question does come to mind and I would never monetize them face to face because it would make for a bad feel, *but is the experience enriching me so much that I would choose this over an oceanfront property I could use to make me even more money all said and done? Clearly that answer is no unless the costs can be maintained to a point which is beneficial to both parties. I explain this concept to SB's and it's met with understanding and this may contribute to the quality of time I am receiving. -- Thinking in terms of a SB / SD relationship, providing an allowance which covers *a car note, insurance, food, shelter and some fun money every month imo should allow for at a minimum a couple of extended visits per week. Thinking in terms of escorting, SB's would be far better working as escorts considering investment of time and reward. - With that in mind, if the SB's are reluctant to see this point of view of the significant investment we SD's are offering, I have invited them to the idea of just going the escort route if that is what they are looking for because it is what they are being. Which is why it is so imperative that the SB truly be as interested in the SD as the SD is in the SB. Without that mutual interest, it's more business minded and imo practically the same as escorting. SD'ing for me is more about a genuine interest in the SB's well being, schooling, fun and having some comforts in life I can help provide. In return there needs to be that understanding by the SB of the significant investment we make without being greedy. Any concerns of time restraints or non-genuine enjoyment of time together removes my interest altogether because she is then not demonstrating a true concern for me and my well being as I am for hers. Any SB asking for $ for a m&g or more than $$ per visit overall with 8/10+ visits per month is exceeding any logical value which could be provided when considering how that $ could be used elsewhere. If money is the SB's only concern, again, I invite them to BP where they can really get what they are looking for. When it is genuine though, I find myself looking for ways to do something extra when it makes sense, but not because she is demanding it.

I realize there are differences among us as well. I'm middle aged and in excellent shape, good looking and have no problems associating with women and dating otherwise. If that were the only concern then maybe they should be paying me? As thirsty as females are nowadays and as much as they like a rough pounding I've contemplated it just for fun. I want to be fair to everyone though and I truly prefer this over dating locals. I've had a couple guys PM saying they are not having such an easy time, they are older or not so good looking and not getting any responses. First of all, I still don't think there is any logical value in allowing more $ to be expended than what is being explained here. Second, there is more to it than just $. Getting things started was for me ridiculous. Some of these SB's are just ignorant of value of other people's time. I was literally about to hang up my hat and wash my hands of it all after getting flaked out for not the first time. No sooner had I realized that I was dealing with another flake, a different SB in that same minute texted and we set up something for very shortly thereafter. It's okay to get rejected then keep trying until something suitable comes along. And new ones came along practically every day while I was signed up on SA. Filter the search settings to show newest members first with your parameters otherwise. Responses are usually faster and best with new SB's. A simple hello with an offer to text or email. I use a throwaway phone and provide contact info instantly. I've received messages still today with my account having been closed I'm sure nearly 2 months ago. There are plenty of fish so none of them should be able to take advantage. Just say no to the GPS girls and the arm candy.

I've found SA to be very gratifying. One hint: if you are chatting with a SB on SA's messaging platform and float the idea of either meeting or texting / emailing to continue talking, and the girl deflects and keeps chatting on SA, gently nudge her again. If she ignores it or continues to chat on SA, she may be a paid freelancer working for SA to keep guys on there and renewing their membership. Don't' believe me? That's fine, BUT I actually know for a fact taht is what happens. If the girl is serious, she'll take your invite to chat off of SA. If not, well, I guess enjoy chatting with no hope of meeting if that's your thing.

[QUOTE=ImThaGuy;3645117]SA has been good to me. I am liking what it has provided even with all of the footwork involved up front to get some serious connections going. It's proven to be a very good value.

I just started right about the time I started this thread. A quick recap looking back has reminded me, anything I anticipated was going to be a good or great situation turned out to be not so good. The baby I mentioned going from Nando 5 and 3 to a 1 with possible demons sent me a text recently asking for a go fund me donation for her depression and treatment. Electronic transfer (traceable transactions) are a big no no for me. No chance I would have done such a thing anyway. No matter if her head game is best I have ever had or not. - The babies I had low expectations with going in have ended up being keepers. Their initial hesitancy as a result of dealing with so many flakes themselves led to my initial concerns, but once things have gotten started they've appreciated the dependability as much as me. One I see regularly and the others are for when I want to keep myself in check and hang out with some 'strange'. Allowances range anywhere from $ to $$ and time spent is 2 hrs to overnight, depending on life generally and how much fun we're having together. (more on this later).

There's definitely some common sense rules to follow and I think each of us has their own specific set of circumstances which will narrow down risks we are each willing to take. I am not married, have no need to hide this from a job or family otherwise and personally I have zero shame in this lifestyle and would not consider any criticism from any outside source to be a burden. I would even go so far as to say I would welcome the criticism as an opportunity to speak about it in a positive light. For me this is a preferential lifestyle compared to what society considers normal *but I also see through observations overall in today's world, sugaring itself is actually becoming normalized in a big way. (more on this later) - I can't imagine any genuine sugar baby is going to be willing to meet anyone without first seeing a couple of photos. Using a little caution beforehand is good business, but if there is going to be an opportunity at a SB / SD relationship there is going to have to be a bit of trust and someone is going to have to put themselves in a vulnerable position as things progress. Any SB's I have interacted with have already put themselves out via photographs on a live site and provided some form of contact information. SB's want to be able to enjoy the time with their SD's as well. It's not unreasonable for them to be able to look at a photo of us to see if there can be any attraction on their end. Still, due diligence is good business for us as SD's as much as it is necessary to keep our risk at a minimum depending on our situation. Using the flag system in POST #3 of this thread along with some common sense, it's really pretty easy to spot a Pro or UTR versus a true SB.

The value of sugaring is practically incomparable to escorting. I need time to get warmed up, catch up a bit on the week's events, eat, drink, relax and get very comfortable up to a point where we're taking breaks in between sessions just to catch our breath. The familiarity acquired in taking our time with things, allowing for a matured experience providing the best of times for both of us. If it's not like that I'm not interested personally. I just don't see that possibility with escorts.

- Over the period of a month there is some allowance given. Then the second month and so on. - Do a little figuring on this. - SB's are not escorts per say. But there is still a giving and taking which occurs. Without one and something to give there will be no taker to be found. As good as the relationship may be, SD's aren't coming off with $ for nothing and vice versa which is only fair to all. Throughout the period of a month with just one SB at $ per with 10+ dates, that's 1 k+ per month. $$ per date is 2 k+ per month. Add additional SB's to the stable, increase the number of visits or allowance given. I look at things from an investment perspective it's just my nature. That's helpful retirement funds, a mortgage on a second investment property, maybe a ferrari if that's your thing. The question does come to mind and I would never monetize them face to face because it would make for a bad feel, *but is the experience enriching me so much that I would choose this over an oceanfront property I could use to make me even more money all said and done? Clearly that answer is no unless the costs can be maintained to a point which is beneficial to both parties. I explain this concept to SB's and it's met with understanding and this may contribute to the quality of time I am receiving. -- Thinking in terms of a SB / SD relationship, providing an allowance which covers *a car note, insurance, food, shelter and some fun money every month imo should allow for at a minimum a couple of extended visits per week. Thinking in terms of escorting, SB's would be far better working as escorts considering investment of time and reward. - With that in mind, if the SB's are reluctant to see this point of view of the significant investment we SD's are offering, I have invited them to the idea of just going the escort route if that is what they are looking for because it is what they are being. Which is why it is so imperative that the SB truly be as interested in the SD as the SD is in the SB. Without that mutual interest, it's more business minded and imo practically the same as escorting. SD'ing for me is more about a genuine interest in the SB's well being, schooling, fun and having some comforts in life I can help provide. In return there needs to be that understanding by the SB of the significant investment we make without being greedy. Any concerns of time restraints or non-genuine enjoyment of time together removes my interest altogether because she is then not demonstrating a true concern for me and my well being as I am for hers. Any SB asking for $ for a m&g or more than $$ per visit overall with 8/10+ visits per month is exceeding any logical value which could be provided when considering how that $ could be used elsewhere. If money is the SB's only concern, again, I invite them to BP where they can really get what they are looking for. When it is genuine though, I find myself looking for ways to do something extra when it makes sense, but not because she is demanding it.

I realize there are differences among us as well. I'm middle aged and in excellent shape, good looking and have no problems associating with women and dating otherwise. If that were the only concern then maybe they should be paying me? As thirsty as females are nowadays and as much as they like a rough pounding I've contemplated it just for fun. I want to be fair to everyone though and I truly prefer this over dating locals. I've had a couple guys PM saying they are not having such an easy time, they are older or not so good looking and not getting any responses. First of all, I still don't think there is any logical value in allowing more $ to be expended than what is being explained here. Second, there is more to it than just $. Getting things started was for me ridiculous. Some of these SB's are just ignorant of value of other people's time. I was literally about to hang up my hat and wash my hands of it all after getting flaked out for not the first time. No sooner had I realized that I was dealing with another flake, a different SB in that same minute texted and we set up something for very shortly thereafter. It's okay to get rejected then keep trying until something suitable comes along. And new ones came along practically every day while I was signed up on SA. Filter the search settings to show newest members first with your parameters otherwise. Responses are usually faster and best with new SB's. A simple hello with an offer to text or email. I use a throwaway phone and provide contact info instantly. I've received messages still today with my account having been closed I'm sure nearly 2 months ago. There are plenty of fish so none of them should be able to take advantage. Just say no to the GPS girls and the arm candy.[/QUOTE]

Take it offline asap is what I do. A throwaway phone from from Walmart is is cheap and makes providing some contact info far less risky overall. - If she doesn't go to texting relatively quick something is probably up.

Overall though as far as I can tell, there are relatively few fakes on SA.

This reminded me of one I should probably restart a conversation with. An exception to this rule. It took a bit of communicating online prior to us beginning texting. This one was truly brand new at sugaring (I could just tell by the content of her communications. See flags post #3) and to me that made it worth the extra effort. I found myself caught up with others before I was able to close the deal with this one, but I do still have her contact info we had a good rapport prior to my 'ghosting' her via text.

A new sugar baby to me is the best. There is the most opportunity there for some sincere moments with a more 'innocent' baby that is likely looking for little more than a guy to spoil her a bit and show her some things in the bedroom she's only heard or fantasized about otherwise. This is the kind of sugar baby that can truly appreciate a sugar daddy's givings and would demonstrate this appreciation in various different ways.

Confidence is a big deal. Just be blunt as possible without crossing the line of being self incriminating when communicating via written word. There will be plenty of time to get to know each other and small talk when working out in the FC. Keep chatter to a minimum until meeting, cast a wide net and don't fear rejection. Definitely no shortage of options.

[QUOTE=NCHobbyist69;3646350]I've found SA to be very gratifying. One hint: if you are chatting with a SB on SA's messaging platform and float the idea of either meeting or texting / emailing to continue talking, and the girl deflects and keeps chatting on SA, gently nudge her again. If she ignores it or continues to chat on SA, she may be a paid freelancer working for SA to keep guys on there and renewing their membership. Don't' believe me? That's fine, BUT I actually know for a fact taht is what happens. If the girl is serious, she'll take your invite to chat off of SA. If not, well, I guess enjoy chatting with no hope of meeting if that's your thing.[/QUOTE]

I signed up here and within a day had about a dozen messages. I did not purchase the membership to read all of these messages yet. Are the girls here legit or just bots selling memberships??

Indicative of either UTR or Pro familiar with the way it works. They smell fresh meat.

Not saying it couldn't turn into a real SD/SB arrangement.

If you signed up on SA, they're likely real though, just real pros or UTR's. Maybe that's what you're looking for. SD4M is full of spam in my experience.

Throwaway phone. Reply briefly, offer the phone number and to go to text asap. Get to the point, but don't talk in a way that would be incriminating to you or them. There's a silent understanding. Read about flags in post #3 of this thread.

Arrange a meet. Be prepared for a possible m&g to be in the FC. It's possible is all. Likely even.

Do not pay to m&g for coffee.

It's a process getting from where you are to closing the deal. Not sure how much you have read about negotiations etc. If not much, do yourself a favor and read a bit before you jump in.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ&p=2480827&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2480827. ( Post #9 )

Good times ahead.

[QUOTE=Torco74;3648677]I signed up here and within a day had about a dozen messages. I did not purchase the membership to read all of these messages yet. Are the girls here legit or just bots selling memberships??[/QUOTE]

My ATF hit me with the info, but I'm pretty sure I avoided it fortunately. She came up with only a bacterial infection and I've shown no signs. She had known for days and wasn't going to tell me either except that we had a meet scheduled in very short time. It's clinic time for me and no FC action until I learn of my health status.

Present day college females have had more sexual experiences than likely any other category and are more eager to please than any other time in history. With the multitude of influences through mobile devices, things such as appearance and sexual performance have become a top item in giving them feelings of self worth whether they have 'daddy issues' or not. The eagerness to please and the freedom to act and do many things is indeed well enough a blessing, but it also deserves consideration when you want to remain STD free.

Bringing up the topic of exchanging recent STD test results during a M&G or even prior to that is the best way to let it be know this is something that is expected to be on the table. Clean tests are a requirement for playing this game, for me and any other anyway. If I lose that clean bill of health I am out of the game. So it's non debatable. STD test or no deal. POTs will appreciate it all the same and it also gives some surety in a non-incriminating fashion as to what is hoped for as things progress. I've been surprised to get responses that they never have had it requested before, but they like the idea and appreciate the caution. With the youth and eagerness to please college women possess, there is also a lack of discipline that likely includes a history of them having more than a little unprotected sex.

STD Screening Tests should be performed on some sort of scheduled basis thereafter as well because things are going on otherwise on other occasions. It's not worth it. Even with having the conversation to include a mutual respect requesting for safety purposes to only be with others that have been tested and using protection, they'll smile and say sure but in all honesty can we really expect POT's to be that respectful to us considering the lack of self respect involved in doing this in the first place. - I truly feel lucky to not have any symptoms of her thing, but I am still worried a bit and any other arrangements have been put on halt in the meantime.

And I mean that literally and figuratively. I always wonder with the girls who are into getting together right away wheather or not they are clean. The way I see it, anyone on SA should be treated the same as anyone on BP. Just because SA seems more upscale doesn't mean diddly squat; be careful, safety first, and like your'e saying don't be shy about talking turkey before getting in the sack. And obviously, if any of us run into anyone on SA or anywhere else for that matter who happen to have an STD, it's kind of our duty to call them out, either publicly or invite members to PM for details on who to avoid. Thanks for sharing your info, best of luck to you.

[QUOTE=ImThaGuy;3653503]My ATF hit me with the info, but I'm pretty sure I avoided it fortunately. She came up with only a bacterial infection and I've shown no signs. She had known for days and wasn't going to tell me either except that we had a meet scheduled in very short time. It's clinic time for me and no FC action until I learn of my health status.

Present day college females have had more sexual experiences than likely any other category and are more eager to please than any other time in history. With the multitude of influences through mobile devices, things such as appearance and sexual performance have become a top item in giving them feelings of self worth whether they have 'daddy issues' or not. The eagerness to please and the freedom to act and do many things is indeed well enough a blessing, but it also deserves consideration when you want to remain STD free.

Bringing up the topic of exchanging recent STD test results during a M&G or even prior to that is the best way to let it be know this is something that is expected to be on the table. Clean tests are a requirement for playing this game, for me and any other anyway. If I lose that clean bill of health I am out of the game. So it's non debatable. STD test or no deal. POTs will appreciate it all the same and it also gives some surety in a non-incriminating fashion as to what is hoped for as things progress. I've been surprised to get responses that they never have had it requested before, but they like the idea and appreciate the caution. With the youth and eagerness to please college women possess, there is also a lack of discipline that likely includes a history of them having more than a little unprotected sex.

STD Screening Tests should be performed on some sort of scheduled basis thereafter as well because things are going on otherwise on other occasions. It's not worth it. Even with having the conversation to include a mutual respect requesting for safety purposes to only be with others that have been tested and using protection, they'll smile and say sure but in all honesty can we really expect POT's to be that respectful to us considering the lack of self respect involved in doing this in the first place. - I truly feel lucky to not have any symptoms of her thing, but I am still worried a bit and any other arrangements have been put on halt in the meantime.[/QUOTE]

I just get a chuckle out of some of the ladies who argue over financials and in doing so end up with nothing. I mean, miniscule amounts of money, it's ridiculous. Anyways, stand strong my brothers.

[QUOTE=NCHobbyist69;3658638]I just get a chuckle out of some of the ladies who argue over financials and in doing so end up with nothing. I mean, miniscule amounts of money, it's ridiculous. Anyways, stand strong my brothers.[/QUOTE]Is it worth the money to sign up for the entertainment? Have you found real girls here?

[QUOTE=Torco74;3660360]Is it worth the money to sign up for the entertainment? Have you found real girls here?[/QUOTE]Once you sign up you should start receiving messages within a couple of hours. The real ones will "hunt" you down and send a message. If there is an interest, go immediately to phone text. I dreamt I scored about 6 times in less then 2 weeks, and I was being very particular on what I wanted. As a side note, stay away from the "brides to be" from other countries. LOL!

[QUOTE=NetFem;3661337]Once you sign up you should start receiving messages within a couple of hours. The real ones will "hunt" you down and send a message. If there is an interest, go immediately to phone text. I dreamt I scored about 6 times in less then 2 weeks, and I was being very particular on what I wanted. As a side note, stay away from the "brides to be" from other countries. LOL![/QUOTE]I am surprised that with a quick check of their cell number on old facebook, their real life appears. These 19 year olds are going to be fun to play with!

[QUOTE=NetFem;3661337]Once you sign up you should start receiving messages within a couple of hours. The real ones will "hunt" you down and send a message. If there is an interest, go immediately to phone text. I dreamt I scored about 6 times in less then 2 weeks, and I was being very particular on what I wanted. As a side note, stay away from the "brides to be" from other countries. LOL![/QUOTE]It is taking me 2-3 weeks to get a 19 year old ready. How did you do 6 in 2 weeks. You obviously skip dinner and drinks? Or was 2 weeks after you spent 4 weeks of prep work.

Can I ask the average price you paid for the 6 times in that dream of yours?

[QUOTE=Henry777;3687020]It is taking me 2-3 weeks to get a 19 year old ready. How did you do 6 in 2 weeks. You obviously skip dinner and drinks? Or was 2 weeks after you spent 4 weeks of prep work.

Can I ask the average price you paid for the 6 times in that dream of yours?[/QUOTE]Within my first week after paying for the membership I had 2 dreams. Probably could have had more but you must be able to drop everything and meet when they want to. Most are servers so they have unusual hours.