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[QUOTE=Johnson8765;3107947]I always call, never text unless I know the girl and trust her, and never leave voice mail. Yes, they can still find the calls, but they won't have what you said.[/QUOTE]If you call they will be recording your phone calls I never leave a message or call. If I do call it's from a go phone that can't be tied to me for the most part unless I get caught with that phone on me.
[QUOTE=LoveKgirls;3105757]Seeing as how this topic came up, I figured I would address it briefly, in case anyone cares. Law enforcement cannot search your smart phone without a warrant. The Supreme Court ruled on that issue a couple years ago in two cases relating to searches of smart phones and flip phones. The exception for a search incident to a lawful arrest does not apply. This does not mean that law enforcement cannot search your smart phone, but only that they must meet the standard to obtain a search warrant under the Fourth Amendment. So, the police cannot arrest you for solicitation, then start perusing your phone to their heart's content unless there are some exigent circumstances (such as a bomb about to blow up or something of that nature). If they do get a search warrant, then do know that they have good technical abilities to access data and are not idiots who are easily fooled.[/QUOTE]Love your girls your kinda right but bro do you know how easy it is to get a warrant? People get warrants for not showing up for traffic tickets all it takes is to call a judge which they probably have on stand by. Far as the Supreme Court ruling your somewhat right but that was years ago when people wasn't using there phone for everything like they do now. Also, have been several cases of people being in car accidents and there one being searched to see if they was texting while driving. I would assume they would have to search your phone to knife if you was or not. But to think you can call a provider and they not get your phone records or text messages is a difficult is not very wise. Also cell phone towers give your location when you text or call as well ho would you explain this. All they would do is call the phone provider to get your phone records. My point is nothing is fool proof when in this lifestyle.
[QUOTE=LoveKgirls;3108239]If you are talking about leaving a trail with texts and voice mails when talking to a regular provider who is not LE, then yes, you are probably better off not texting and not leaving a voice mail that could serve as tangible evidence of your activities.[/QUOTE]My closest brush with difficulty came in a situation like that, where a provider got flipped and gave them access to her phone. One day I started getting texts from "her" even though we had never texted, and I didn't respond for that reason. The next day I read on the Huntsville, AL board that she had been flipped and guys had gone down after agreeing to stuff by text message then showing up. It was a narrow escape. At that point the sense that something was off based on others advice led to an absolute principle that I never text and never leave voice mail. You are right about the other kind of situation of course.
[QUOTE=Johnson8765;3108539]My closest brush with difficulty came in a situation like that, where a provider got flipped and gave them access to her phone. One day I started getting texts from "her" even though we had never texted, and I didn't respond for that reason. The next day I read on the Huntsville, AL board that she had been flipped and guys had gone down after agreeing to stuff by text message then showing up. It was a narrow escape. At that point the sense that something was off based on others advice led to an absolute principle that I never text and never leave voice mail. You are right about the other kind of situation of course.[/QUOTE]Exactly for some reason these guys think the police won't get access to a phone easily and a girl getting flipped is even worse.
[QUOTE=OiledUpTits;3108884]At lovekgirls the enough of the legal advice comment was for 5 stars and not you. It's dangerous to try to give legal advice when you aren't educated in the subject matter. I think most people are smart enough to dismiss his ramblings. An example of his ramblings is how the discussion is on search warrants and he made a comment about how easy it is for police to get a warrant just because someone misses court. A warrant for your arrest because you failed to show up from court is much different than a search warrant to search your property for evidence of a crime.
I don't expect everyone to only give legal advice if you are a lawyer but if you are going to make claims like they can search your cell phone to see if you were texting during an accident and you aren't a lawyer then at least provide some proof for the basis of your claims or advice. I just used the example about smell of how to back up a claim with some sort of facts that can be verified.[/QUOTE]I agree. Let's ALL stop rattling off case law and rumors and so called legal advice. In the real realm of mogering does ANY of this back end legal stuff make a difference? If your face hits the mugshot section, figure your job, friends, wife, kids, and bank account are gone. Forget the fact that yes, in six months your attorney will probably get you off and your record will be expunged, but by then you're living in the same run down hotels most of these girls work and you're calling out orders at the Waffle House. Unless of course you're the police chief in Winnsboro. My two cents.
[QUOTE=OiledUpTits;3108753]Are you a lawyer? Similar to your review a few weeks ago without actually seeing the girl, unless you can show me articles about cops searching cell phones to see if someone was texting while driving, it didn't happen. Unless you have some case law on the subject or court rulings, without showing me anything then it will get filed in the garbage along with some other legal advice given about avoiding stings. See for instance I will tell you that smell alone isn't an exigent circumstance that can be used legally to conduct a warrantless search of your home. The case law on this is Taylor v US (1932) and Johnson v US (1948). In Taylor cops raided a home in prohibition based on smell and the Supreme Court overturned the conviction. The case law was challenged again in the '40s when cops used the smell of burning opium to bust into a hotel room. Conviction overturned again and these 2 old cases still set the precedent today. Doesn't mean cops won't try it because they do but they cant legally do it and if you don't have enough money for a good lawyer they may get away with it if it's done to you.
My point is without citing evidence or some source for your claims it didn't happen.[/QUOTE]I'm not a lawyer but I don't think you are either but I can tell you I have connections on both sides. I'm not going to get into case law with you in this but I learned in college if a cop was to see a marijuana plant from an open window in your home he can enter your house to seize the plant? Your also talking about a case that's was in the 1940's did they have cell phones back then? I'm not here to show you or prove anything but your wrong and I know your wrong.
[QUOTE=MedicMan469;3108992]I agree. Let's ALL stop rattling off case law and rumors and so called legal advice. In the real realm of mogering does ANY of this back end legal stuff make a difference? If your face hits the mugshot section, figure your job, friends, wife, kids, and bank account are gone. Forget the fact that yes, in six months your attorney will probably get you off and your record will be expunged, but by then you're living in the same run down hotels most of these girls work and you're calling out orders at the Waffle House. Unless of course you're the police chief in Winnsboro. My two cents.[/QUOTE]I agree with you medic man but expungements can only be used once in South Carolina. You try to help and you get slammed for it.
[QUOTE=OiledUpTits;3108884]At lovekgirls the enough of the legal advice comment was for 5 stars and not you. It's dangerous to try to give legal advice when you aren't educated in the subject matter. I think most people are smart enough to dismiss his ramblings. An example of his ramblings is how the discussion is on search warrants and he made a comment about how easy it is for police to get a warrant just because someone misses court. A warrant for your arrest because you failed to show up from court is much different than a search warrant to search your property for evidence of a crime.
I don't expect everyone to only give legal advice if you are a lawyer but if you are going to make claims like they can search your cell phone to see if you were texting during an accident and you aren't a lawyer then at least provide some proof for the basis of your claims or advice. I just used the example about smell of how to back up a claim with some sort of facts that can be verified.[/QUOTE]Bottom line is when you have personal experience then I can discus it because I have been there. If you want proof then google I'm sure you got internet access I'm not here to do research for you.
[QUOTE=FiveStarrs;3108998]I'm not a lawyer but I don't think you are either but I can tell you I have connections on both sides. I'm not going to get into case law with you in this but I learned in college if a cop was to see a marijuana plant from an open window in your home he can enter your house to seize the plant? Your also talking about a case that's was in the 1940's did they have cell phones back then? I'm not here to show you or prove anything but your wrong and I know your wrong.[/QUOTE]Next time you accuse someone of being wrong learn that it's "you're wrong" and not the possessive pronoun "your" as you did not once not twice but 4 times. You lose credibility when you tell someone they are wrong and misspell it. When you say you have connections in both sides I just had to laugh. I'm not sure why you couldn't understand my example that I used and why you missed the point. Even though the cases are old they are still relevant but the point was if you are going to give unsolicited legal advice just don't pull stuff out of the air support it with some facts. I don't need you to do research for me nor do I want it and don't act like a victim and say things like "I tried to help and got slammed for it" when people ask you to back up your statement. Everyone knows that's just a way to gather pity. I know it and you know it.
If anyone is curious about the legality of cell phone searches without a warrant the Supreme Court ruled against most warrantless searches of cell phones in 2014 in the case Riley v California. Not only did they rule against warrantless cell phone searches they did so unanimously.
Again I think everyone knows that cops often abuse their power and just because SCOTUS ruled against cell phone searches it doesn't mean they won't do it and force you to spend more money on a lawyer because some cops believe it is their job not only to arrest but to punish.
I know one person who will be very angry after reading this but I'm moving on from this topic and I know it's pointless to argue I just want people to get correct information and not wrong information.
[QUOTE=OiledUpTits;3111573]Next time you accuse someone of being wrong learn that it's "you're wrong" and not the possessive pronoun "your" as you did not once not twice but 4 times. You lose credibility when you tell someone they are wrong and misspell it. When you say you have connections in both sides I just had to laugh. I'm not sure why you couldn't understand my example that I used and why you missed the point. Even though the cases are old they are still relevant but the point was if you are going to give unsolicited legal advice just don't pull stuff out of the air support it with some facts. I don't need you to do research for me nor do I want it and don't act like a victim and say things like "I tried to help and got slammed for it" when people ask you to back up your statement. Everyone knows that's just a way to gather pity. I know it and you know it.
If anyone is curious about the legality of cell phone searches without a warrant the Supreme Court ruled against most warrantless searches of cell phones in 2014 in the case Riley v California. Not only did they rule against warrantless cell phone searches they did so unanimously.
Again I think everyone knows that cops often abuse their power and just because SCOTUS ruled against cell phone searches it doesn't mean they won't do it and force you to spend more money on a lawyer because some cops believe it is their job not only to arrest but to punish.
I know one person who will be very angry after reading this but I'm moving on from this topic and I know it's pointless to argue I just want people to get correct information and not wrong information.[/QUOTE]I will ask you the same question you asked me are you a lawyer? I never said that I was but I know for a fact that your wrong and giving incorrect information. Second your talking about a case in California and they recently had a terrorist attach in California and the courts did grant them authority to search that phone. So your wrong man. But I'm not here to argue with you do whatever you wish but if I see your picture on wistv then that's on you. To think police can't search your phone in a criminal case is foolish.
[BLUE]That you guys learn to use this thread for these dumb arguments.
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Seems like this forum has plummeted in quality. My brother LoveK is on the heavenly Left Coast, Billy is MIA, OUT has rare sightings. My ignore section is full.
I couldn't agree more with Pappa. Garbage In Garbage out. We all have a certain amount of time and money. The better info on the board, the better decisions that can be made. In my opinion too many useless posts, not enough value in what is posted. We could do a better job, many dreams aren't shared, recently more than once someone has asked about an unknown provider only to have to or three people give input. Input previously not posted that could have been of value.
Another area I have personally seen is we don't review repeat visits with same provider, a quick post that so and so still great, or so and so starting to not give a crap and rush is also of value. Yes it takes time, but time is money, which is what we all spend in this hobby. On the note of repeat visits, one particular person who I had several visits and started to show up late become mechanical, lists of excuses, you know. Same old same old, I reached out via pm to a couple other SM to see if this was an isolated incident or a trend, they had same issues, none of us has posted, so if you were to search this provider most posts would be positive, when in reality the info is out of date, so I know this. Has to happen more often than my one time. My 2 cents.
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[QUOTE=Pappa54;3322525]Seems like this forum has plummeted in quality. My brother LoveK is on the heavenly Left Coast, Billy is MIA, OUT has rare sightings. My ignore section is full.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pappa54;3322525]Seems like this forum has plummeted in quality. My brother LoveK is on the heavenly Left Coast, Billy is MIA, OUT has rare sightings. My ignore section is full.[/QUOTE]Your def on point papa54 I'm in total agreement.