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These days if any provider posted pictures that hot we would think they were fake. Thanks for sharing.
[QUOTE=OrallVrForU;4065817]Counterclockwise the very hot and young Vasara. Next is one Jazmin who was a dynamo and perfect tits and the Juliebaby from Lansing. Anybody remember the tall blonde Sweet Paris / Stephanie!? She's in Florida but I told her to make a visit up our way as a lot of guys miss the good talent. We shall see.[/QUOTE]
Anyone else having trouble with that captcha thing just spinning when you click on it? Not able to get phone numbers.
[QUOTE=LoveTheLips;4067810]Anyone else having trouble with that captcha thing just spinning when you click on it? Not able to get phone numbers.[/QUOTE]Use incognito chrome browser. I have this happen when I am using my browser on my smartphone. Incognito chrome never fails.
Hey, there. So I'm a total newbie to the hobby. I was just wondering if someone could PM me for a few questions or point me in a good direction for getting into the hobby. Thanks!
[QUOTE=BPP616;4070754]Hey, there. So I'm a total newbie to the hobby. I was just wondering if someone could PM me for a few questions or point me in a good direction for getting into the hobby. Thanks![/QUOTE]
If I was new, the first place I would want to go is Kandiland
[QUOTE=Grizzly27;4063055]I am a third shifter looking for a reliable provider who is up and answers her phone around 630 am if anyway can help with suggestions it would be greatly appreciated. I've texted and called a few and I never get any responses. Grand Rapids and north.[/QUOTE]I also work third shift call provider before you go to work set up time in the morning most providers will accommodate you.
Sadly I have tried then when you try contacting them in the morning to make sure they are up and willing they don't answer.
[QUOTE=TeddBear;4070959]I also work third shift call provider before you go to work set up time in the morning most providers will accommodate you.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4067494]These days if any provider posted pictures that hot we would think they were fake. Thanks for sharing.[/QUOTE]Found one more. What a beauty. And on fire.
[QUOTE]This review of Wynter aligns with many of the others we have seen on her. Will be interesting to see if she makes it up to Johnsolo as she has promised.[/QUOTE]I agree. It's not that John's review was an isolated incident. That's the main point. When charging $170 for a HE in a shortened 1/2 hr massage, even if they Don't Have a bad attitude but instead just a "blah" one with the notion of "churn thru here, see ya have a nice day", it doesn't matter how hot she is. It's not even remotely close to a reasonable market value. It's utterly laughable; seriously. But two points:
1) I agree with Love-TL, they do this because some people pay for it, and yes, those types of gals laugh at guys shelling out Way too much for basics. Along with that tho, is they end up believing they Deserve roughly that amount for just showing up for work, and as long as enough suckers end up feeding them for just that. They can still be happy with a lot of people, be cool & real to their regulars, but that doesn't take away from it.
2) That said, I also believe from feedback that on a good day and / or with someone a girl's gotten to know, especially if they contribute on here, that you'll see a great side of her, a great experience if you're willing to shell out a lot of money. Some may not think it's that worth it if it is, but at least there's an understandable market for it.
I'm not trying to be harsh or a mean guy at all, but I do want to put realism into perspective here. John's report doesn't reflect merely a bad day, although I will buy that it wasn't at least a good time for her at that point -- it's a reflection of GPS. If a gal doesn't have GPS, she can be having a bad day, but at the same time won't be thinking she deserves $170 for a hhr out-the-door with anything close to a status-quo HE.
[QUOTE=Charlie441;4075883]I agree. It's not that John's review was an isolated incident. That's the main point. When charging $170 for a HE in a shortened 1/2 hr massage, even if they Don't Have a bad attitude but instead just a "blah" one with the notion of "churn thru here, see ya have a nice day", it doesn't matter how hot she is. It's not even remotely close to a reasonable market value. It's utterly laughable; seriously. But two points:
1) I agree with Love-TL, they do this because some people pay for it, and yes, those types of gals laugh at guys shelling out Way too much for basics. Along with that tho, is they end up believing they Deserve roughly that amount for just showing up for work, and as long as enough suckers end up feeding them for just that. They can still be happy with a lot of people, be cool & real to their regulars, but that doesn't take away from it.
2) That said, I also believe from feedback that on a good day and / or with someone a girl's gotten to know, especially if they contribute on here, that you'll see a great side of her, a great experience if you're willing to shell out a lot of money. Some may not think it's that worth it if it is, but at least there's an understandable market for it.
I'm not trying to be harsh or a mean guy at all, but I do want to put realism into perspective here. John's report doesn't reflect merely a bad day, although I will buy that it wasn't at least a good time for her at that point -- it's a reflection of GPS. If a gal doesn't have GPS, she can be having a bad day, but at the same time won't be thinking she deserves $170 for a hhr out-the-door with anything close to a status-quo HE.[/QUOTE]All good points and I totally agree. IMO probably most of the mongers on this forum agree too.
I have a long time friend that asked me a few questions back in 2014, he was surprised I had a lot of answers. I told him about usasexguide and he would read it off my phone but would never log in on his own phone, he didn't want any tracking for his S. O. To detect using his phone.
I told him to Check out a hooker I liked, I even dropped him off at the hotel and picked him up too. He was very paranoid about seeing hookers. I told him it's a lot better deal than the Massage parlors.
He would never see a hooker again but will go to a Massage Parlor. He asked me which ones had the most secluded parking. I gave him two, Wonder and Panacea he pursued one location for a while until he found the girl with the best looks for him, body slides and HJ is all he wanted and pays her 225 each visit. I asked are you nuts? No way do you have to pay that much. He said I know I don't but I want her to schedule me on my time, giving her enough money so she will prioritize her schedule for me. He also wants her to be smiling and happy when he arrives. He sees her about once a month and that's all he needs.
I believe there are a lot of guys just like him, If you look at the stats on the front page you will see that we as members are the minority of users and posting members or senior members are probably a lot fewer than the lurkers or as usaseguide calls them "guests" Example of the stats on a Saturday night at 7:07 pm.
Currently Active Users (This is Nation Wide).
There are currently 1402 users online. 323 members and 1079 guests.
Most users ever online was 6,543,05-29-18 at 12:24.
Benz1 GdEnough DaddyForYou Dubberman SilverDawg Buzz442.
Looks like there might be 3 kinds of mongers.
1. those like my friend that will go to a massage Parlor once a month and blow a wad.
2. Lurkers and members trying to find a good time with an occasional hooker, hoping we sort them out for them.
3. Members that frequently monger and have learned to navigate and negotiate what we want.
If my good man Charlie 441 would do the city stats of how many men are living in the greater Grand Rapids area, the probability of how many of them are mongers (not members) and Mongers like my friend that will blow GPS money on the same girl once a month.
When we are all done doing the math, I think a few hot girls could do very well in this city regardless what we say about GPS.
I can appreciate the ones that admit they have not always been good providers and try to change based on our opinions, they might not have to care what we say. Because there might be enough men in this city who want to see them naked and willing to pay the gps price.
It's also possible that Hayley could perch Wynter in the lobby flirting with the Lurkers while Hayley makes plenty of money selling her great coffee and other beverages to the Lurkers. Bars do it all the time Hot Bartender means more sales.
[QUOTE=Charlie441;4075883]I agree. It's not that John's review was an isolated incident. That's the main point. When charging $170 for a HE in a shortened 1/2 hr massage, even if they Don't Have a bad attitude but instead just a "blah" one with the notion of "churn thru here, see ya have a nice day", it doesn't matter how hot she is. It's not even remotely close to a reasonable market value. It's utterly laughable; seriously. But two points:
1) I agree with Love-TL, they do this because some people pay for it, and yes, those types of gals laugh at guys shelling out Way too much for basics. Along with that tho, is they end up believing they Deserve roughly that amount for just showing up for work, and as long as enough suckers end up feeding them for just that. They can still be happy with a lot of people, be cool & real to their regulars, but that doesn't take away from it.
2) That said, I also believe from feedback that on a good day and / or with someone a girl's gotten to know, especially if they contribute on here, that you'll see a great side of her, a great experience if you're willing to shell out a lot of money. Some may not think it's that worth it if it is, but at least there's an understandable market for it.
I'm not trying to be harsh or a mean guy at all, but I do want to put realism into perspective here. John's report doesn't reflect merely a bad day, although I will buy that it wasn't at least a good time for her at that point -- it's a reflection of GPS. If a gal doesn't have GPS, she can be having a bad day, but at the same time won't be thinking she deserves $170 for a hhr out-the-door with anything close to a status-quo HE.[/QUOTE]Nice to see that many of you understand the point I was making. I appreciate the girls that offer a service that is inline with the rates they charge and also reward them with a nice tip. I just get tired of hearing the complaints and stories of rushed service, time shorting, blah attitude etc. I for one would love to visit Wynter as she is my type for sure, but if I had the experience with my visit as JohnSolo had I would have walked out of there with regret and feeling ripped off. Kudos to the girls that give good service at a fair rate and appreciate building repeat clientle.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4076036]I gave him two, Wonder and Panacea he pursued one location for a while until he found the girl with the best looks for him, body slides and HJ is all he wanted and pays her 225 each visit. I asked are you nuts? No way do you have to pay that much. He said I know I don't but I want her to schedule me on my time, giving her enough money so she will prioritize her schedule for me. He also wants her to be smiling and happy when he arrives. He sees her about once a month and that's all he needs.[/QUOTE]Okay, I'm Not a guy suffering from MPS (Male Penny Syndrome; trademark it! LOL). I will roll my eyes ("oh geez") when a guy posts that he only pays 40/20 for a HHR + expects a full 30-minutes of the gal touching him + topless with a smile, aiming to please him happily -- and if she's one of the Hot ones *and* gives a great experience, maybeee $10 more but that's it. And I know prices have gone up over the past several years beyond a fully-clothed mechanical -- I understand.
That said, I really hope your friend is getting a full hour -- otherwise, I'd be like "No, dude, again, are you freaking nuts? $225 for a hhr, for a body slide, but No extras? *smile* That said, for a true Full Hour, with a double-pop option by establishing himself with her, with that exotic / body-slide version done Well and he has a thing for that type of endeavor moreso than your average Joe -- I can understand that. Namely that "exotic" & body-slides are a Separate Category experience, and even though for most gents out there it is an overpriced experience (as some things notably are in the business world) -- you are in a sense comparing apples & pears when going standard vs that. Even if to many people it doesn't Feel so much like a separate category VS a great fruitful sensual massage. Butt, when he wants it every month actually isn't her favorable time but makes room for it -- OK.
Side Note: Correct me if / how I'm wrong here, but if one puts a body-slide version up, for, say, $100/ hhr (2. 5 x standard hhr rate) -- I would assume that would essentially include the base part of the tip ($20 for hhr) + being topless, correct? Meaning most the tip you'd give them would be the Extra beyond base+topless and in their thong?
[QUOTE]When we are all done doing the math, I think a few hot girls could do very well in this city regardless what we say about GPS.[/QUOTE]I say this with a smile: This means we can (fairly) say whatever we want about gals who seem to have GPS, and it shouldn't affect them, right? I think it does though -- otherwise Wynter wouldn't even think of giving that guy a free (positive) continuation on what was done.
GPS is all about attitude and POV. If I get asked what I want off the bat, and am strongly suggested something 'great' where she can go topless for "only" $200, and she gets ticked that I give a friendly chuckle with a no-thanks -- that's GPS. If a gal is really cool and she says in response to me asking her to go topless: "I'll get in my bra and panties, but getting naked isn't my thing even though I'm sure you'll enjoy my HE. But if you Really want me topless, I can, but I charge a lot for it," I wouldn't classify that as GPS. Disappointing to me (shucks! But no, not GPS. In that case, she knows it's not a "deal" nor has any glorification of herself that hell-yes a guy should pay me $150-$200 for me to go from sweater to fully topless on top of everything else. Attitude and POV, ya know?
Guys can easily think with their little heads, which can help make a gal's head bigger on expectations and so forth, over time (which is not in her own best interest either). If a gal's really hot, that's great -- but a bad attitude or even robotic attitude for most, really helps Nix the Looks advantage over other girls who are swell to be with. Most guys with any surveying experience of the industry would prefer an Average Jane who's swell to be with and really enjoys making a guy happy VS a much cuter one where you'd have to warm Her up to avoid (knock on wood) her having a robotic or "meh" attitude. Never mind Still paying more for the latter.
IMO, it's all about the attitude. If a gal's cool and she charges 2 x more than your standard massaging Maggie (even if not 2 x better looking) -- that's Fine. As long as he knows this cumming in, and gets a cordial, good attitude as should be expected, he can't gripe -- he can just choose to shop elsewhere if that's not his thing.
Yes, I know this makes me look like a bad guy -- I'm honestly not, I swear! *smile*.
I'm open to suggestions on this subject.
I've been seeing a regular friend, sort of a modified SA. Even though she's not on there. We're not exclusive nor are we in a relationship other than a mutually beneficial sexual one, more like a FWB.
She has been very direct that she wants to experiment with another women but she has huge reservations with actually going through with it. As a friend of course, I'm always willing to be the careful catalyst. I'm considering contactacting one of the girls on STG but full disclosure I've talked with one "couple friendly" girl and it seems they have a very out of reach menu price to do so.
Any guidance from the group?
Strip club?
UTR suggestions?
Good hunting bar suggestions?
[QUOTE=Naughty12;4077520]I'm open to suggestions on this subject.
I've been seeing a regular friend, sort of a modified SA. Even though she's not on there. We're not exclusive nor are we in a relationship other than a mutually beneficial sexual one, more like a FWB.
She has been very direct that she wants to experiment with another women but she has huge reservations with actually going through with it. As a friend of course, I'm always willing to be the careful catalyst. I'm considering contactacting one of the girls on STG but full disclosure I've talked with one "couple friendly" girl and it seems they have a very out of reach menu price to do so.
Any guidance from the group?
Strip club?
UTR suggestions?
Good hunting bar suggestions?[/QUOTE]Sounds fun.
I've been there a few times, trying to line up a good dream.
The provider will be a lot pickier about a female date than a Male date. The Lesbian or Bi girls know that the date will need to be full GFE for the girl or it's not really a date.
When the provider sees us and she is not really in the mood or doesn't like our breath or cologne they can just say RCG or K9 is my favorite position. Get us off and the deal is done we don't even know if she enjoys the session.
When she says yes to your 3 sum she needs to be a really good actress, if she doesn't like the looks, kiss or taste of the other girls pussy.
Plus she knows you have less options for this event so her special kind of acting is going to be a higher price.
Sometimes you can set the stage and see how it goes and hope for the best.
A couple years ago I set up a perfect arrangement with Kandi by offering her a free 4 handed full body massage with my favorite masseuse. We brought a massage table to the Kandiland hotel gave her a full hour 4 handed massage and we were rewarded with her wonderful response as no other provider except Kandi could give.
That was on or about February 14, I told Kandi it was going to be a Valentine's gift from me. It was a great day for all.
Happy hunting Naughty12.
[QUOTE=Charlie441;4077178]Okay, I'm Not a guy suffering from MPS (Male Penny Syndrome; trademark it! LOL). I will roll my eyes ("oh geez") when a guy posts that he only pays 40/20 for a HHR + expects a full 30-minutes of the gal touching him + topless with a smile, aiming to please him happily -- and if she's one of the Hot ones *and* gives a great experience, maybeee $10 more but that's it. And I know prices have gone up over the past several years beyond a fully-clothed mechanical -- I understand.
That said, I really hope your friend is getting a full hour -- otherwise, I'd be like "No, dude, again, are you freaking nuts? $225 for a hhr, for a body slide, but No extras? *smile* That said, for a true Full Hour, with a double-pop option by establishing himself with her, with that exotic / body-slide version done Well and he has a thing for that type of endeavor moreso than your average Joe -- I can understand that. Namely that "exotic" & body-slides are a Separate Category experience, and even though for most gents out there it is an overpriced experience (as some things notably are in the business world) -- you are in a sense comparing apples & pears when going standard vs that. Even if to many people it doesn't Feel so much like a separate category VS a great fruitful sensual massage. Butt, when he wants it every month actually isn't her favorable time but makes room for it -- OK.
Side Note: Correct me if / how I'm wrong here, but if one puts a body-slide version up, for, say, $100/ hhr (2. 5 x standard hhr rate) -- I would assume that would essentially include the base part of the tip ($20 for hhr) + being topless, correct? Meaning most the tip you'd give them would be the Extra beyond base+topless and in their thong?
I say this with a smile: This means we can (fairly) say whatever we want about gals who seem to have GPS, and it shouldn't affect them, right? I think it does though -- otherwise Wynter wouldn't even think of giving that guy a free (positive) continuation on what was done.
GPS is all about attitude and POV. If I get asked what I want off the bat, and am strongly suggested something 'great' where she can go topless for "only" $200, and she gets ticked that I give a friendly chuckle with a no-thanks -- that's GPS. If a gal is really cool and she says in response to me asking her to go topless: "I'll get in my bra and panties, but getting naked isn't my thing even though I'm sure you'll enjoy my HE. But if you Really want me topless, I can, but I charge a lot for it," I wouldn't classify that as GPS. Disappointing to me (shucks! But no, not GPS. In that case, she knows it's not a "deal" nor has any glorification of herself that hell-yes a guy should pay me $150-$200 for me to go from sweater to fully topless on top of everything else. Attitude and POV, ya know?
Guys can easily think with their little heads, which can help make a gal's head bigger on expectations and so forth, over time (which is not in her own best interest either). If a gal's really hot, that's great -- but a bad attitude or even robotic attitude for most, really helps Nix the Looks advantage over other girls who are swell to be with. Most guys with any surveying experience of the industry would prefer an Average Jane who's swell to be with and really enjoys making a guy happy VS a much cuter one where you'd have to warm Her up to avoid (knock on wood) her having a robotic or "meh" attitude. Never mind Still paying more for the latter.
IMO, it's all about the attitude. If a gal's cool and she charges 2 x more than your standard massaging Maggie (even if not 2 x better looking) -- that's Fine. As long as he knows this cumming in, and gets a cordial, good attitude as should be expected, he can't gripe -- he can just choose to shop elsewhere if that's not his thing.
Yes, I know this makes me look like a bad guy -- I'm honestly not, I swear! *smile*.[/QUOTE]I totally agree, It can't be called an upsell or GPS if the client knows the cost of everything going into the appointment.
In my opinion my friend is still being ripped off but it is not an upsell to him, he knows the price before he gets there.
Most providers are not willing to discuss anything before we are naked on the table, smart legal move on their part. So here we are with dick in hand discussing options, we should be playing not negotiating Safety is their main concern and they're very nervous on first appointments. How do we fix all of that for the Provider, Fixing it for the provider should fix it for us too.
We already have a network in place to help the providers.
I know some providers that use a standard system of 3 massages with HJ then the client is qualified for FS on the next visit. Or become frenz with benz get a password for FS on the first visit. These are not your hotties they are average girls. The Hotties will not go any further than necessary to keep making money, because they don't have to. The clients will keep cuming for a peak at their naked body.
As for Wynter, you are right, our community does matter to her and she does care about what people think or she wouldn't be offering Johnsolo is free visit. She told me today, she's looking forward to making right.
I had a massage from Wynter today, she was busy but squeezed me in. Three girls working and Wynter was the only girl with clients. She gave me a great massage just the way I like it, she's a little short so she needs to get on the table to get the middle of my back just right. Her massage skills are above average and everything I'm looking for in a Massage. That's because I trained her to do it my way. On my first appointment with her I had her get on the table, I gave her my best massage, she massaged me for awhile and we rotated back and forth for each part of the body showing her what I want. (I'm very picky) She got it right away and was able to give back the same massage I gave her. Awesome! She's short so she needs to gain more leverage by getting on the table. The table we were using was a little wobbly when she got on. Made us both nervous so I offered to trade Hayley one of my massage tables, she gladly excepted and now I have a lighter table for traveling to massage appointments. The trade benefited all of us.
I brought Chocolate from Sweetlands, Hayley supplied donuts and the Coffee this morning and we had good start to our Christmas eve.
My massage was great today but the teasing up to the ending just wasn't there. Off day for her? Nope. We were talking too much about our community and Hayley's team. I'm sure the teasing would have been there if we didn't have Love the Lips, Johnsolo, Jamul, Charlie441 and DjBiker in the room with us. But we did get a few things done.
The results look good from my perspective, If we know the cost going in, we do not call it GPS, we just move on if we don't like the price. Like Jmaul said find someone that will! That being said most providers including Wynter are not will to talk about everything. She asked for my assistance in communicating the results to our Community.
Wynter's prices and menu are available through Benz1 PM, the best way to do that is include a password too. Frenz of Benz only please. This is a Safety first issue for the providers, hopefully this gets us over the hump with what I believe to be one of our best. She is very pretty, has the best Ass in Western Michigan and gives me great massages.