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[QUOTE=DRmjm;3513471]I don't know if you're a troll or not, what I do know is many here believe the providers see us only as ATM's and will say and do just about anything to get us to exclusively see only them. Also, many mongers here only see providers as cum buckets. Therefore, both get what they want out of the deal and it's purely business, even if personally the monger might find the provider cool. It's still just business.

You're running into so much friction because you do not have a sympathetic or like minded audience. If you want a hooker with a heart of gold, go find her and live out your days together in bliss. Just about every woman in the Chinese connection at CC is hoping a guy like you will save them. They will jump at the opportunity to leave CC and live a normal life. They hate it there, they want to be married, have children and a husband.

If you're truly serious in your cause, you really don't have to look very far or hard to find it. It's actually pretty easy to accomplish.[/QUOTE]First of all, it's not for anyone to say if a person is on this site she or he is abnormal. Over the years this mature provider has seen people assume roles and take actions no one in their everyday lives would ever imagine. For example, The world's greatest American male athlete (as the winner of the Olympic decathlon is often called) actually sees himself as a woman, and a normal one. I never saw that one coming, but I have seen so much I once would have labeled abnormal I question my assumptions rather than other people's actions. In short, who do you think you're calling abnormal, "Lightbringer"? Please speak for yourself and work to live up to your chosen name or change it to "CondemnationBringer. " Second, I have yet to find any group that is easily summed up by tired stereotypical platitudes / insults. Yes, providers work to survive. We also work for breasted augmentation. Am I a broken victim? Am I having fun? Am I a user of people who exist in my life to serve my needs after which I promptly discard them? Do I hate mongers? Are hobbyists my friends? At times all of these statements are true except when they're not. Finally, I have a hard time taking people who talk about providers in general seriously when I know these people have never seen me. What would the generalizers think after meeting with this quirky little person?

[QUOTE=JennaDean;3556089]Yeah you. It was recommended that I do it 5 yrs ago but I was too scared cause my son was still toddler and I couldn't be out of commission. But yeah it's from are. A. (Rhuematoid Athritis) I was born with it. It's getting harder to work and I'm starting to feel like a one trick pony if you know what I mean, due to the pain there's only so many styles I can accommodate. Fml! Uggggh.[/QUOTE]In the "User Blog" section there's a thread titled, "Men's Health". Since there are now some women active on this forum, maybe it's time the name of that thread is changed to simply "Health"? Seems like a more appropriate place for Jenna's question and discussion, but because it is still called "Men's Health", she doesn't have that option. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Goser;3556827]Before you talk shit about girls you don't know very well, you should be sure nobody can fact check you. I know Naomi really well and nothing about what you posted about her reminded me in any way how she is. So, I asked her about your post. Her first reaction was to blow it off. She didn't care. Then, she said she remembered you. Talk about projection. If you think she gives a shit about who you fuck, you are seriously mistaken. She was pissed at you because you are a fucking liar. Naomi is the most level headed girl I know in the business. She doesn't get tied up emotionally with guys in a good or bad way. She provides her service to the best of her ability and then she moves on. Naomi is the girl I think is least likely to have emotional problems due to this business. Don't read anything in this post believing that Naomi had anything to do with me posting this message. I told her I was going to make this post to set the record straight and she said, "don't bother, it's not worth it. " Her last statement to me was this, "maybe he wants me to get jealous. " That's the truth. The truth of the matter is you wish she cared enough about you to be jealous. I can assure you, she doesn't.[/QUOTE]Some guys don't get it. Its all about the money. The girls don't give a shit who you are but they sure will make you believe that you're the one LOL. So many of us counting myself have fallen for this thievery but bottom line whether the money comes from you or another monger your sorry ass is just a dollar bill. Like the girls say whether it come from you or other guy is same thing. The harsh reality of this. So I concur with goser. Been there done that suck it up and know that you are nothing but cold hard cash. Jealous LOL.

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And A2 asks why do you always have to push the envelope and make me be the heavy?

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I'm curious - why are you going through the Honolulu forums and resurrecting old threads? Threads with the last post 6-7 years ago. On other forums they have a term for this, "necro-ing".

[QUOTE=LonelySmiles;3557464]I'm curious - why are you going through the Honolulu forums and resurrecting old threads? Threads with the last post 6-7 years ago. On other forums they have a term for this, "necro-ing".[/QUOTE]Haha, I was wondering the same thing! Actually didn't kow where these came from.

I had a whole answer prepared for the administrator's question about the post of mine he had to delete, about how I can never get the hang of social nuance. Even anonymous impersonal interactions are puzzling to me. Then I saw that the message I thought I had deleted was posted. By writing the second post without knowing I had indeed posted the original message, I was, unwittingly, redundant and probably appeared to be on a tear. Sorry about that! How often do you all share my frequent experience of having problems with technology that make you appear less than ok. My lesson to take away is before I assume someone means offense I will give the benefit of the technological doubt, so to speak. I know I need that understanding!

As a mature provider I thought I had either done it all, seen it all, or at least knew about it all. But I was pleasantly surprised to find that I learned about a whole new side of sex and discovered an open mindedness I had no idea I lacked--but I sure am glad that I found it. Now I would love to hear from people who found out about something new and either did or didn't like it. I.

[QUOTE=HonoluluGirl;3562031]As a mature provider I thought I had either done it all, seen it all, or at least knew about it all. But I was pleasantly surprised to find that I learned about a whole new side of sex and discovered an open mindedness I had no idea I lacked--but I sure am glad that I found it. Now I would love to hear from people who found out about something new and either did or didn't like it. I.[/QUOTE]You cut out at end but details about this discorlvery? A monger helped you find it? What did you discover?

That is why people in the business refer the transactions as gifts. The IRS HAS A $10,000 per person gift exemption.

Of course, the IRS might question why you get so many gifts, from so many people.

But, the 5th Amendment of the Constitution does offer you protection from self-incrimination. So just don't answer any questions. Just tell them you plead the 5th.

Any time the Government requires you to sign anything under the penalty of perjury, just attach a statement that the Constitution protects me from self incrimination per the 5th Amendment. Never sign it. I have done this to jury questionnaires that the State sends me too; I never get any kickback.

Another thing too, if you have a tax preparer do your taxes, never sign the 1040 form and send the return by certified mail, return receipt requested. This gives you proof that you have filed a tax return, and a signature of the person receiving the return. They send me my original return back for my signature, and it goes into the shredder.

Again, not my problem, I did comply with their request to file before the deadline

[QUOTE=HonoluluGirl;3549924]Is it true that personal services aren't illegal, or is this a rumor to get escorts to expose themselves. I'm guessing (until I research) that personal services need to be thoroughly explained. People will be required to lie, thus making their services illegal. Because a harsh truth is, honest to goodness in your face prostitution is illegal. Reframe it as "marrying well" and everyone's ok with it. Does anyone but me view the movie Titanic as an escape from forced prostitution?[/QUOTE].

I generally never look at this thread. I can't believe the time and effort some people put into arguing with each other about matters of sex. I also can't believe some opinions from some people about 'the rest of us' that are here.

But it is all rather amusing. The recent inclusion and comments by some female providers, I confess, does add to the discussion. But it's all still amusing.

Brothers (and sisters), I for one am here to have pleasant and enjoyable experience with a woman, that I am not getting in a regular relationship with my SO. I believe that is true for the vast majority of others here on this board. Obviously, there are those without an SO and I believe their desire is fulfilled by seeing a provider. The additional benefit is not having to go through the whole meeting and pick up scene, which hopefully leads to sex at some point.

For the record, I would LIKE to believe that most men here don't see these providers as simply 'cum buckets' and the evidence of that is obvious. Each girl we seek out has their own unique personality and behavior, that adds to the excitement, eh? We are trying to match our specific desire that we individually prefer, to some provider out there that we are "hunting" for. Most of our hunts are not productive, at least on any given night. But when we find the prize, well, how awesome is that!?

If I wanted just a 'cum bucket' I'd stop at any old AMP that does the bait and switch with some fugly hag and drop my load and go. But I don't. Most of us don't. Thus, must of us don't think of providers as 'cum buckets' that we disrespect.

Similarly, while not true for all, but I have to believe that, as a "working girl" the reality is most providers probably do see each customer as a cash machine in the sense that, when THEY deliver the goods, we pay for the service.

Whats wrong with that?

It is, in fact, precisely what we want isn't it? Is it THEIR fault they are providing us with what we want and ask for? Does that mean the provider just sees us as a walking ATM? Maybe. But we choose to use an ATM voluntarily. All the time. We also choose to use a provider, voluntarily, when the spirit moves us, eh? I think its a disparaging remark to state "providers just see us as an ATM", though I would say, there are likely a few out there that truly don't give a hash about their service and WANT us to fuck, blow the load, and get out in less than 15 minutes.

But a savvy provider who knows what she is doing, is successful and in demand that commands a high hourly rate, is first of all, a good business woman. She gets the law of economics. Most average BP girls do not. The bait and switch "Ho's" certainly don't. And most savvy mongers know that too.

Finally, I don't think its a great idea to look at a provider as a potential long term mate. Similarly, the same would be true for a female provider. Both of you meet under a unique set of circumstances, that by any measure normally, is not typical of how relationships are started. You will always wonder if your female friend is sleeping with somebody to make extra cash. It's easy, she's done it before. Why not now. She in turn will see you the same way. You went out and hit the AMP's routinely, why the big deal if you start again after you tire of this girl now?

If you are cruising the Korean bar scene or strip joints or AMPs in hopes of finding the 'right' girl you can take home to meet mom and dad or your friends at work (didn't your friend see her naked too, the other night? You might want to re-evaluate your thinking.

Not to disparage those girls, at all. But they are all working there, now or before, due to a unique set of circumstances in their life. Developing a real long term relationship at that time, isn't the best decision, for either of us. The foreign girls looking for a marriage of convenience is an entirely different affair. Not worthy of another long discussion by itself right now.

Now go out, find a girl and fuck. Have fun.

But stay safe out there boyz. DM.

[QUOTE=SkyBook;3552264]Sugar has a very bad attitude.[/QUOTE]You fucking neanderthal. These girls are not objects. They are human beings. When a girl says no to you, you accept that answer and fucking move on.

[QUOTE=Goser;3563122]You fucking neanderthal. These girls are not objects. They are human beings. When a girl says no to you, you accept that answer and fucking move on.[/QUOTE]Goser is correct, you enter a mutual agreement with the funds you pay for her time, but it is up to the provider what is acceptable or not. If she says no and you persist you are technically committing rape by forcibly having sex with basically a stranger. Mongers should keep this in mind on your next visit. Especially you guys that like it rough or like to choke women almost to death.

[QUOTE=SimpleK;3563881]LOL, believe what you want. I'm not "estimating" or going off their initial claims. There's no reason to take this so seriously that you need to ask for their drivers license. Who's not going to fuck one of the great providers because they're older than they claim? But if you want, ask any of them and you will see I am right.[/QUOTE]I have already asked several of them which is why I know that I am right. The only one I am not sure about is Sasha. She told me one age and since she is gone I can't verify her age. The ones I have asked I already have a good and established relationship with, so there is no reason for them to lie to me. Moreover, I can get the exact truth just by pulling a couple of strings which I don't want to do unless I must.

You are the one who claimed at least 3 or 4 of the girls I listed were 30 and one is even 40. I believe strongly that to be false. So much so that I am willing to prove it beyond any reasonable doubt. So, I expect you to list the girls who you believe are over 30 and I will ask them. If you don't, then we know who is in the know and who is full of shit.

You, simpletonk, are totally full of shit.

[QUOTE=Darkman808;3562956]I generally never look at this thread. I can't believe the time and effort some people put into arguing with each other about matters of sex. I also can't believe some opinions from some people about 'the rest of us' that are here.

But it is all rather amusing. The recent inclusion and comments by some female providers, I confess, does add to the discussion. But it's all still amusing.

Brothers (and sisters), I for one am here to have pleasant and enjoyable experience with a woman, that I am not getting in a regular relationship with my SO. I believe that is true for the vast majority of others here on this board. Obviously, there are those without an SO and I believe their desire is fulfilled by seeing a provider. The additional benefit is not having to go through the whole meeting and pick up scene, which hopefully leads to sex at some point.

For the record, I would LIKE to believe that most men here don't see these providers as simply 'cum buckets' and the evidence of that is obvious. Each girl we seek out has their own unique personality and behavior, that adds to the excitement, eh? We are trying to match our specific desire that we individually prefer, to some provider out there that we are "hunting" for. Most of our hunts are not productive, at least on any given night. But when we find the prize, well, how awesome is that!?

If I wanted just a 'cum bucket' I'd stop at any old AMP that does the bait and switch with some fugly hag and drop my load and go. But I don't. Most of us don't. Thus, must of us don't think of providers as 'cum buckets' that we disrespect.

Similarly, while not true for all, but I have to believe that, as a "working girl" the reality is most providers probably do see each customer as a cash machine in the sense that, when THEY deliver the goods, we pay for the service.

Whats wrong with that?

It is, in fact, precisely what we want isn't it? Is it THEIR fault they are providing us with what we want and ask for? Does that mean the provider just sees us as a walking ATM? Maybe. But we choose to use an ATM voluntarily. All the time. We also choose to use a provider, voluntarily, when the spirit moves us, eh? I think its a disparaging remark to state "providers just see us as an ATM", though I would say, there are likely a few out there that truly don't give a hash about their service and WANT us to fuck, blow the load, and get out in less than 15 minutes.

But a savvy provider who knows what she is doing, is successful and in demand that commands a high hourly rate, is first of all, a good business woman. She gets the law of economics. Most average BP girls do not. The bait and switch "Ho's" certainly don't. And most savvy mongers know that too.

Finally, I don't think its a great idea to look at a provider as a potential long term mate. Similarly, the same would be true for a female provider. Both of you meet under a unique set of circumstances, that by any measure normally, is not typical of how relationships are started. You will always wonder if your female friend is sleeping with somebody to make extra cash. It's easy, she's done it before. Why not now. She in turn will see you the same way. You went out and hit the AMP's routinely, why the big deal if you start again after you tire of this girl now?

If you are cruising the Korean bar scene or strip joints or AMPs in hopes of finding the 'right' girl you can take home to meet mom and dad or your friends at work (didn't your friend see her naked too, the other night? You might want to re-evaluate your thinking.

Not to disparage those girls, at all. But they are all working there, now or before, due to a unique set of circumstances in their life. Developing a real long term relationship at that time, isn't the best decision, for either of us. The foreign girls looking for a marriage of convenience is an entirely different affair. Not worthy of another long discussion by itself right now.

Now go out, find a girl and fuck. Have fun.

But stay safe out there boyz. DM.[/QUOTE]Greetings and Salutations, Noble Warrior! Of your own free will you have chosen, armor clad, to enter this blood-stained gladiator arena known here in Imperial Rome as "Like Beef Lolo?" I for my humble part, sword and lance in hand, consider it an honor to be allowed to confront such a fearless and respected crusader here upon the field of battle. And if the carnage of our confrontation proves too great, let Almighty Caesar Himself (A2) judge the victor. Hail, Caesar! Now, let the games begin!

Adversary mine, you say, "I'm here (having sex with providers) to have an enjoyable experience I'm not getting from my SO. " And, This is) true for the vast majority of others on this board. " Later you say, "I don't think it's a great idea to look at a provider as a potential long term mate. " My challenge to you is, Oh Yeah? First you've basically told us your primary relationship with a woman is a big fail. And not only you, dude, but most of the other cats who contribute to this forum! By any rational definition, if you are not able to get your deep male physical needs met by your woman, then this is a Big Fail; there is simply no other way to slice and dice it. Yeah, well, maybe it is NOT a viable plan for a monger to try and turn his favorite provider into an SO. However, at least it would be a creative experiment; meanwhile seems like what the rest of you motherfuckers be doing, in terms of how you have consciously orchestrated your primary relationships, is patently flat-out NOT WORKING! One definition of insanity is, doing the same fucking thing over and over again and expecting a different result. In fact I believe you when you say (and you did say this) that your relationship with your SO doesn't work and it doesn't work for most other guys here. And I have to say, you guys inspire me to totally want to try something different, like get something going with a provider, just to experiment with a unique approach to the problem of formulating a viable, durable sexual / love relationship with a woman.

Cosmic out.