"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Anytime I send a message to a girl on SD4 M I give them 7 days to respond. If they don't respond I delete the sent message. You would be surprised how many suddenly respond when they see that. It works here and there.

[QUOTE=Jayb20;2266825]Hey guys, I've been doing more and more of the SB thing. I've been hesitant to pay monthly fees and have been using SugarDaddyToday as a result. I'm thinking about signing up and wanted to see if the seniors on this forum had any recommendations. J.[/QUOTE]You have to go with the paid sites as a cost of hobbying.

Just like you have costs with hobby phone, condoms / lube or whatever else there may be, sd4 m or sa-whatever site works for you-is just another cost.

In the overall monthly budget, it's a small percentage.

[QUOTE=Dolato;2267250]You have to go with the paid sites as a cost of hobbying.

Just like you have costs with hobby phone, condoms / lube or whatever else there may be, sd4 m or sa-whatever site works for you-is just another cost.

In the overall monthly budget, it's a small percentage.[/QUOTE]I agree with Doloto. For instance, SA gives you the option of a single month membership. If you live in a reasonable size area you will most definitely find a few SBs that fit your interests and needs if you are willing to work at it.

I went out to see a girl whose profile was only up for one day (yesterday). She was very tall (like runway model tall) but she looked very slender in her pics and she sounded very sweet in her txts. I didn't even talk to her on the phone. She just sent me her address so I took the risk with very little screening and drove over there about 10 pm this evening.

Next thing I know, out walks this really cute girl with an amazing 5'10' spinner body. She gets in the car and she is all smiles. Within about 5 minutes she says "well arent you going to kiss me?"

The next thing I know we are totally on fire. Her pants are down, my pants are down. I am DP-ing her using both hands while she bounced and grinded and pushed my finger as far up her ass as it would go, she gives me like 45 minutes worth of oral while I'm fingering her as hard as possible from behind. She was going all the way down and staying there repeatedly. With me pushing her head down as hard as I wanted. The rougher I got the more she liked it.

We did everything but fuck as my car is too small for that. This is all in front of her parents house in a decent lower income area. This went on for at least 90 minutes or more untill I finally CIM.

We agreed to start dating immediately and repeatedly. This girl is an awesome kisser with a totally upbeat personality. 25 AA 5'10" and 125 lbs. She was an easy 8/10/10+/9 or probably a 10 once we fuck. Her pussy and ass were tight, wet and sweet smelling.

The cost of the M&G was nada, zilch, nothing. This is the third time this has happened to me in 2 weeks (meaning sex with no sugar). She kept calling me daddy and practically melted when I called her princess. She did agree to the $ offer going forward. I think she may be my new ATF. And a guaranteed NP first timer.

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I found this girl on WYP (will I ever learn?), though she is also on SA. For several days we went round and round about $'s, with her initially saying she wanted $3 k / month, and me telling her that I've never given a girl more than $$, and I wanted to meet once/week. She said that was unacceptable and "way less than I've ever taken" (though in a convo a few days earlier she told me she hasn't had many partners and her virtue is "precious to her"). I wished her the best and invited her to get back in touch if she ever reconsidered.

3 days later she reconsidered, saying she missed hearing from me and was willing to accept $$$ per visit if we met three times/month. She thought I'd go for it since "it's only $ more per month" than I originally suggested. I was insistent that $$ was my max, and we went round and round about that for a few more days. Finally she agreed to $$ and said she was reluctant because she'd "never gotten that little," but was in dire straits. She did warn me that she would have to really like me before she would accept that little, and wouldn't have sex on the first date. I guess she'd fuck anything if the price were right (I did NOT make this observation, of course).

Last night we had this text exchange:

GPS: So when will we have our first date?

Me: I'm free after 5 tomorrow.

G: I am too. Are we agreed on 200?

Me: If I have your company until 7:30 or 8.

G: I don't want to be intimate yet.

Me: Then I'll buy you dinner. I'll save the $$ until you are ready for more.

G: I thought that was what we discussed. I never accept so little. You insisted if given a chance your personality and such would make up for it, and after a fair amount of persuasion, I said I'd give it a try as long as we weren't intimate when we first began dating.

Me: And we'll get to know each other better over dinner. You get a free meal and pleasant company. Not a bad way to spend an evening.

G: Going on even just one of your paid dates without intercourse made up for the fact that you were offering way lower than I have ever accepted. It was the one reason I decided to accept this.

Me: I'm sorry you misunderstood my meaning. I hope you find what you're looking for, or that you'll get back in touch if you don't.

I contemplated going on a rant to her about why her expectations are so ridiculous, but it was late and I didn't have the energy (and I knew the only teacher she'll listen to is hard experience). Here is her SA profile so any of you here in RVA know what awaits if you contact her.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e60c06aa/view

Dr. Feelgood

Everybody has a price and many of our colleagues have discovered this. It seems that an increasing number of young girls are of the "no sex" persuasion. Perhaps this is a ploy to weed out the escort seekers but most will give it up for the right price. I am going to Georgia for a business trip and started canvassing local 18 to 30 yr olds there. Half the profiles said "no sex" . WTF?

Any RVA guys see SA # 2154436 ? Any intel?

[QUOTE=FeelGoodMd;2267713]I found this girl on WYP (will I ever learn?), though she is also on SA. For several days we went round and round about $'s, with her initially saying she wanted $3 k / month, and me telling her that I've never given a girl more than $$, and I wanted to meet once/week. She said that was unacceptable and "way less than I've ever taken" (though in a convo a few days earlier she told me she hasn't had many partners and her virtue is "precious to her"). I wished her the best and invited her to get back in touch if she ever reconsidered.

3 days later she reconsidered, saying she missed hearing from me and was willing to accept $$$ per visit if we met three times/month. She thought I'd go for it since "it's only $ more per month" than I originally suggested. I was insistent that $$ was my max, and we went round and round about that for a few more days. Finally she agreed to $$ and said she was reluctant because she'd "never gotten that little," but was in dire straits. She did warn me that she would have to really like me before she would accept that little, and wouldn't have sex on the first date. I guess she'd fuck anything if the price were right (I did NOT make this observation, of course).

Last night we had this text exchange:

GPS: So when will we have our first date?

Me: I'm free after 5 tomorrow.

G: I am too. Are we agreed on 200?

Me: If I have your company until 7:30 or 8.

G: I don't want to be intimate yet.

Me: Then I'll buy you dinner. I'll save the $$ until you are ready for more.

G: I thought that was what we discussed. I never accept so little. You insisted if given a chance your personality and such would make up for it, and after a fair amount of persuasion, I said I'd give it a try as long as we weren't intimate when we first began dating.

Me: And we'll get to know each other better over dinner. You get a free meal and pleasant company. Not a bad way to spend an evening.

G: Going on even just one of your paid dates without intercourse made up for the fact that you were offering way lower than I have ever accepted. It was the one reason I decided to accept this.

Me: I'm sorry you misunderstood my meaning. I hope you find what you're looking for, or that you'll get back in touch if you don't.

I contemplated going on a rant to her about why her expectations are so ridiculous, but it was late and I didn't have the energy (and I knew the only teacher she'll listen to is hard experience). Here is her SA profile so any of you here in RVA know what awaits if you contact her.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e60c06aa/view

Dr. Feelgood[/QUOTE]Same girl accepted 1. 6 for a date on WYP a few weeks ago but I never followed through because I haven't been to RVA. Glad I didn't. Here's a couple of her pics for those of you not on SA.

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2268015]Same girl accepted 1. 6 for a date on WYP a few weeks ago but I never followed through because I haven't been to RVA. Glad I didn't. Here's a couple of her pics for those of you not on SA.[/QUOTE]I recognized the pics as the same girl I met off of SA about a month ago. She stood me up once and then sent a txt saying she wanted to try again (emergency came up). I decided to give her another chance. We agreed to $$ per.

Meeting but on the M&G I decided to try to get her straight to the FC. It looked promising for a while, but she backed out at the last minute (never did it on the first date. Sure). She got a decent meal from me and a. 5 gift because I thought she looked promising. When I tried to set up the next date, which she knew would be in the FC, she tried to upsell saying she never got intimate for less than $$ I told her I'd have to pass. I saw her Facebook page. She seems like a pretty normal girl, just trying to collect some cash without putting out.

Oh well as you experts say. NEXT!!

Alias.

I have been talking to this girl for a few days and a little reserved as there are not many asian girls 6 ft and she is a little forward. Anyone know if this is going to be a crying game ending?

Also anyone have any advice on good DMV girls. I can share a good line on East Indian girl.

Any of you fine gents banged a married SB?

Too sticky of a situation?

Just came home from date #2 with my new tomboy princess. This time I did spend 10 dollars at the 7/11. But once she starts hanging out at my place (starting tomorrow) then I will start spending some money on her. This is one of those taking off like a rocket arrangements. She is already in love and said in a playfully sarcastic way that I say all the right things. So I told her. I do say those things to other girls but with you I mean it. And for now I do. The instant honeymoon phase begins.

She really is a 7/10/10/10. The first order of business will be to make sure all the sugar goes towards hair, nails, make up, sexy outfits, food and cell phone bill. I doubt there will be much actual cash in hand transactions to start. And I will stick to my $ a day or less. This girl desperately wants what most of you run from. A real relationship.

But it's what I prefer. I been a little depressed since breaking up with the last one 4 months ago. But this one is making me forget about her fast. I can see her everyday if I want.

[QUOTE=TravelingJohn#2;2268398]I have been talking to this girl for a few days and a little reserved as there are not many asian girls 6 ft and she is a little forward. Anyone know if this is going to be a crying game ending?

Also anyone have any advice on good DMV girls. I can share a good line on East Indian girl.[/QUOTE]Even if she is a guy looking as good as she does I would take my chances.

What is a DMV girl?

RE: married SBs. Most can only play during the day while the Husband is at work, so it has not worked out for my schedule. I would worry about some psycho husband so prefer to stay away. In that scenario you have 2 potential investigators looking into your affair -your SO and her SO. He could bust you looking at her. This happened to me.

Working a GPS Asian 9/9/8 . Right now we have a date in the FC but she is looking for a bigger allowance. I offered 2 $ for a 1 to 2 hour stint weekly. SHe wants double that, and can probably get it from some rich daddy. Unless she changes her mind she will take my measly donation until a better deal comes along. Who knows? She might see that many Daddies are Butt licks and will take the sure thing. And once she experiences the magic wand she might forget about looking elsewhere. LOL. I haven't had a real spinner in a long time so I hope it works out.

[quote=fredmoore;2268640]what is a dmv girl?[/quote]dc, md, va?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2268907]dc, md, va?[/QUOTE]Right you are, HG.

[QUOTE=Jayb20;2266825]Hey guys, I've been doing more and more of the SB thing. I've been hesitant to pay monthly fees and have been using SugarDaddyToday as a result. I'm thinking about signing up and wanted to see if the seniors on this forum had any recommendations. J.[/QUOTE]Here's something I've used with some success. [URL]pof.com[/URL] It's a free dating site, and you will find women on here that are interested in a sugar relationship. One thing you can do if you're not a paying member for SA, is to sign up for a free membership and look at the women that are active in your area. You'll find more than a few that are also on POF. Once you find them, proposition them on POF and they're usually at least receptive to some negotiating. It's takes more work this way, but if you're not willing to pay the monthly membership fee, it is an option.

, I have found that often if a young couple is in financial difficulties, and they have the choice of either an UTR sugar relationship, or going full hooker, they will start off at UTR. For some, that is enough.

The advantage is usually that they don't have many restrictions on what you can do, charge way less than professionals, are less likely to have an STI than the average sleep about single, and if they get pregnant, not my problem.

Met up with a 25 year old with a few extra pounds today. She was someone unique for me in that we didn't chat a whole lot prior. Still going to college said she just needed some extra cash and she suggested a fee that hollywood guy would approve of. She sent me a pic that actually suggested she was older than heavier. I debated for about a week whether to proceed. But I went ahead and glad I did. She was actually pretty cute in person and looked her real age. She should really consider a different pic, LOL. After a brief chat, we go to FC, and talk a little more but then get right down to it. Basically everything but anal although she did not object to a digit in her ass. She seemed to enjoy I the sex although also seemed a little embarrassed afterwards. I will likely see her again.

All in all, a pretty good way to spend an afternoon.

[QUOTE=DandyDon;2269294]Met up with a 25 year old with a few extra pounds today. She was someone unique for me in that we didn't chat a whole lot prior. Still going to college said she just needed some extra cash and she suggested a fee that hollywood guy would approve of. She sent me a pic that actually suggested she was older than heavier. I debated for about a week whether to proceed. But I went ahead and glad I did. She was actually pretty cute in person and looked her real age. She should really consider a different pic, LOL. After a brief chat, we go to FC, and talk a little more but then get right down to it. Basically everything but anal although she did not object to a digit in her ass. She seemed to enjoy I the sex although also seemed a little embarrassed afterwards. I will likely see her again.

All in all, a pretty good way to spend an afternoon.[/QUOTE]That poor picture choice of hers may have kept others away.

And that single digit in the ass can become 2 after you've gotten her relaxed and used to it. Anal may not be completely off the table.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2265127]You know you have been doing this a long time when you message a girl and she says you have already gone out on a date with her. LOL. Now I keep a spreadsheet. But it only goes back two or three years.[/QUOTE]I had something like this happen once in the civy world. I went to dinner with this hot little Asian single mom. I was into her looks, but she had a really strong Massachusetts accent that wasn't working for me, and it seemed like I might be a little too wild for her -- not that I really am but this was at the height of my bar hopping days, whereas she was more the type of conservative working professional that just went home after work, read a book and cared for her kid. At the worst part of the date, I completely forgot her first name, and called her by the wrong name (it took me three tries to remember her actual name). She was visibly unimpressed (if not shaken a little) and I guess took it as a sign I wasn't into her or that I was juggling too many females at the time. We mutually concluded it was not a personality match. Then about 1. 5 years later I contacted her by accident, thinking her profile was new (she had different pictures and I didn't recognize her). After she told me about herself, I said "oh I remember you, we met for dinner at. " etc. Surprisingly, her response was along the lines of "oh yeah, I remember you -- call me sometime if you want to hang out". This shocked the hell out of me because I thought forgetting her name was a deal breaker, and she was also putting out a vibe like she might be a little more open to meeting me halfway between our two lifestyles (perhaps resulting in a casual fuckbuddy type deal).

So I guess from that experience I learned that it's good to not burn bridges, keep past contacts open with an eye for future opportunities.

After two very sexy car dates I finally got to pick up my girl and bring her back to the FC. We had an amazing 5 hour date and spent about half the time fucking. Went three rounds. Starting on the makeover tomorrow.

I actually got her true height and weight. She is 5'11" and 118 with mini curves. The tallest spinner I have ever dated. In the past 5'7" has always been my limit, but her body is so insane I don't care. A 24 inch waist with a six pack. After three dates she is a 7/10/10/10. But that's in spinner stats. Sexually she is making me forget about random girls and my x all in just 3 days. She had only been with one guy the last 5 years and was celibate for 2 months when I met her. We are both rebound dating so the timing is perfect.

Just a normal girl that's ready for daddy to turn her into the porn star princess she really is. So far the first three dates have set me back $.6 Half of that is for her nail appt tomorrow.

[QUOTE=GetLost;2269529]No one cares. Enough already with the soap opera. And she's playing you like a fiddle.[/QUOTE]Sex three days in a row and three times in one day all for $.6 total. She can play that tune forever. I guess your profile name says it all. LOL

What the hell going on SA? Since I renewed my account yesterday, got 20+ messages from girls from all over the country. Even few of them from fareast. Does any one has this problem.

I am in middle of country, Oklahoma City, no where near Cali or NY.

The same thing just happened to me lately and in the past when my subscription ran out. I think that as your subscription nears its end SA makes your profile appear higher or more featured in searches. This is to generate more messages to you to entice you to renew. Just my theory. They at least seem real for the most part. When I was an SD4 M member I constantly received obvious spam messages. The give away was well written profiles with messages in terrible, awkward english.

Good hunting,

Travelin.

[QUOTE=IndianChief;2269828]What the hell going on SA? Since I renewed my account yesterday, got 20+ messages from girls from all over the country. Even few of them from fareast. Does any one has this problem.

I am in middle of country, Oklahoma City, no where near Cali or NY.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2269822]Sex three days in a row and three times in one day all for $.6 total. She can play that tune forever. I guess your profile name says it all. LOL[/QUOTE]For now it sounds good. But she will start asking for more and more. I guess some have to learn the hard way.

I travel a fair amount for business, so if my schedule allows I usually try and find an SB companion for at least 1 night on my trips. I've had pretty good luck at this, with only 1 experience I would consider a dud if we made it to the FC. Last week I sent out requests to a bunch of potentials in the city I was traveling to. One of the profiles mentioned that they were a pair and would only see someone as a pair. I sent a message to her and she responded. During our texting she said that her and her friend were an actual couple in a long-term relationship. I have had escort 3-somes in the past, but I always found them lacking in passion and real sexuality. There's nothing that turns me on more than seeing two women making out with each other and I just never sensed real passion my past experiences. The requested compensation was way beyond what I was comfy with for an SB type thing so I declined. She was really sweet and nice in our text exchanges and assured me a great time (who hasn't heard THAT before? I got to thinking that by escort standards it was really kind of a deal. I texted her back with a few conditions, min 2 hours, they are totally interactive, pics, etc. She agreed to the conditions and we were on. I have to admit I was preparing for a set-up. I've been around the block a few times and this just seemed TGTBT. On the day of I almost canceled a few times, but we got into a text conversation where she was asking a lot about me and I just got the sense they were on the up and up.

Finally the hour arrived and they showed up at my door. The one I had been communicating with was a very attractive slim blonde, her friend was a little on the thicker side, but not fat by any standards. We sat down, had a glass of wine and they related their story. They had both only been with men until they met each other. They worked in the same place, became friends, and then lovers. They said they sometimes missed having a man and decided together was the way to do it while making some $$$ at the same time. Eventually we just kind of looked at each other and it was on! In 10 seconds I could see they weren't lying. I've never seen two women in all the porn I've watched as hungry for each other as these two were. And the best thing hungry for me too! The next 2+ hours were a flurry of kissing, licking, sucking and f*ing. The thicker one was particularly sexual and just couldn't get enough dick. They both were incredible kissers. It was a totally amazing experience! Well into my top 5 experiences and possibly 1 or 2. They claim to be very picky about who they see, only having one other regular, but who knows if that's true. Although everything else she told be certainly turned out to be true, LOL I'm back down in that area in January and can not wait to see them again.

Now, the bad part. By this board's standards I know you're going to think I was nuts, but I agreed to $750 for my time with them. That's waaaay above what I normally give SBs for my out of town dates. The way I looked at it though, top level escort doubles get minimum $600 per hour and I've never seen under $1000 for two hours. These girls were way beyond any escort doubles I've been with and were there for way over 2 hours. Where would we be without a good rationalization every day? Haha Anyway, in mind mind well worth the cash.

Good hunting,

Travelin.

[QUOTE=GetLost;2269529]No one cares. Enough already with the soap opera. And she's playing you like a fiddle.[/QUOTE]There is no soap in Hollywood's opera. I sure as hell do care and if Hollywood's new SB thinks she is playing him, she better find another instrument. I don't get your negative attitude at all. This particular branch of the USAsexguide tree is filled with Men all supporting each other with both information and entertainment. Hollywood has been there done that so many times that if there was a phd in SugarDaddying he would have a Ph-Double Dee! The best part of all? He shares his wisdom with no condescending attitude. So you are welcome to use the "ignore" feature that the Admins have so generously provided each one of us non paying members of this site. In the meantime, you don't speak for me, and I'll keep on looking for any post Hollywood writes as I know I'm in for some entertainment and wisdom when found.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;2269890]

Now, the bad part. By this board's standards I know you're going to think I was nuts, but I agreed to $750 for my time with them. That's waaaay above what I normally give SBs for my out of town dates. The way I looked at it though, top level escort doubles get minimum $600 per hour and I've never seen under $1000 for two hours. These girls were way beyond any escort doubles I've been with and were there for way over 2 hours. Where would we be without a good rationalization every day? Haha Anyway, in mind mind well worth the cash.

Good hunting,

Travelin.[/QUOTE]If it was worth it to you, that's all that matters.

I travel a fair amount for business, so if my schedule allows I usually try and find an SB companion for at least 1 night on my trips. I've had pretty good luck at this, with only 1 experience I would consider a dud if we made it to the FC. Last week I sent out requests to a bunch of potentials in the city I was traveling to. One of the profiles mentioned that they were a pair and would only see someone as a pair. I sent a message to her and she responded. During our texting she said that her and her friend were an actual couple in a long-term relationship. I have had escort 3-somes in the past, but I always found them lacking in passion and real sexuality. There's nothing that turns me on more than seeing two women making out with each other and I just never sensed real passion my past experiences. The requested compensation was way beyond what I was comfy with for an SB type thing so I declined. She was really sweet and nice in our text exchanges and assured me a great time (who hasn't heard THAT before? I got to thinking that by escort standards it was really kind of a deal. I texted her back with a few conditions, min 2 hours, they are totally interactive, pics, etc. She agreed to the conditions and we were on. I have to admit I was preparing for a set-up. I've been around the block a few times and this just seemed TGTBT. On the day of I almost canceled a few times, but we got into a text conversation where she was asking a lot about me and I just got the sense they were on the up and up.

Finally the hour arrived and they showed up at my door. The one I had been communicating with was a very attractive slim blonde, her friend was a little on the thicker side, but not fat by any standards. We sat down, had a glass of wine and they related their story. They had both only been with men until they met each other. They worked in the same place, became friends, and then lovers. They said they sometimes missed having a man and decided together was the way to do it while making some $$$ at the same time. Eventually we just kind of looked at each other and it was on! In 10 seconds I could see they weren't lying. I've never seen two women in all the porn I've watched as hungry for each other as these two were. And the best thing hungry for me too! The next 2+ hours were a flurry of kissing, licking, sucking and f*ing. The thicker one was particularly sexual and just couldn't get enough dick. They both were incredible kissers. It was a totally amazing experience! Well into my top 5 experiences and possibly 1 or 2. They claim to be very picky about who they see, only having one other regular, but who knows if that's true. Although everything else she told be certainly turned out to be true, LOL I'm back down in that area in January and can not wait to see them again.

Now, the bad part. By this board's standards I know you're going to think I was nuts, but I agreed to $750 for my time with them. That's waaaay above what I normally give SBs for my out of town dates. The way I looked at it though, top level escort doubles get minimum $600 per hour and I've never seen under $1000 for two hours. These girls were way beyond any escort doubles I've been with and were there for way over 2 hours. Where would we be without a good rationalization every day? Haha Anyway, in mind mind well worth the cash.

Good hunting,

Travelin.

So I decided awhile back I was done with sb sites. Way too much time and energy trying to catch sbs. I let sa and my hushed number expire. I made it a couple weeks before I had to login to sa and see the new tail available.

So for two weeks I've been grinding it out. Several are wanting to meet but none are really hot. Then a hot coed agrees to drive 1 1/2 hours to see me. No discussion of sugar. She texts me around the time she should be leaving school. But then radio silence. Same day a local hot coed signs up, I immediately message her, she agrees to meet near college after class but never shows. The next day, today, she apologizes that she picked up a friend from the er. So now I'm getting really disgruntled again.

I am traveling today. I stop by to see one of the eager girls. I've been stalking her fb and she is cuter on fb than sa. I arrive and she's not what I want but doable. We hang out for an hour but I leave with nothing she has to get ready for work. I text her that she stop by my place after work and she agrees.

Then as I'm leaving a girl I've been messaging briefly for five days says she's available for dinner. I agree to a restaurant and then she tells me her address so I can pick her up. Interesting.

She is very demure acting and nervous. But smoking hot. Black with long straight hair and full lips 5'7" 125 lbs tiny but large breasts. We go to restaurant and everything is ok. We swing by some of my rental properties and in the driveway I ask for a kiss. We kiss some more. We sit there some and she goes "I will go in with you this time and check it out". Inside the house we start kissing. She leads me to couch and tells me to undo pants. And she's working BBBJ like crazy. 1 1/2 hours of crazy anything goes with her screaming "daddy" then CIM.

I read HGs post down below and I thought we had the same girl but I'm in sc.

She never asked for sugar. She actually got out of truck without any but I called her back. We talked about me picking her up again later.

She was prefect. She would do anything and never complained. At the end she worked it for 15 minutes straight and never slowed down. I had to pull it out of her mouth.

She could be ATF if I knew she wasn't utr or working. She stays at home so I don't think so and she's only been on sa for 2 months.

[QUOTE=GetLost;2269884]For now it sounds good. But she will start asking for more and more. I guess some have to learn the hard way.[/QUOTE]I always stay on budget. Which has been 3 k a month for the last 2 years (including bonuses, hotel rooms and food)(only gas is excluded). Even with the bonuses I still get 20 to 25 dates a month for my money. Some are one and two hour, some are 24 hour. And is she one of the smart ones? Maybe. But I see she has most of her bills covered. Also I don't bonus any girl unless it goes 6 months or more. I also make sure a large percentage of all donations go to beauty treatments, clothes etc. Which are only purchased with my approval. As I have a very specific way I like my girls to look and dress. This is why I go the NP route. I can exert a far greater degree of control over the relationship, the sex, and the frequency and all with the little barbie types I seem to prefer. With an escort, AMP or UTR you are going to have a cut and dried, fixed amount business transaction. With NP's you have to be flexible. I really don't care if I over pay one as long as there is another one being under paid to offset the balance (I have one I pay zero). It's only my total monthly budget I care about. And that never changes. At the moment that girl is prorated out to only .5 a date. It will definitely go up, but not over $ a date for the first 6 months, if it even goes that far.

[QUOTE=IndianChief;2269828]What the hell going on SA? Since I renewed my account yesterday, got 20+ messages from girls from all over the country. Even few of them from fareast. Does any one has this problem. I am in middle of country, Oklahoma City, no where near Cali or NY.[/QUOTE]I suspect it's a growing industry. The other day I saw my gf watching the Dr Phil show, there was this blonde bimbo on their talking about sugar babying, claiming she would get something like ten grand per date, no sex companionship only, with old guys (sometimes 90 she said), and she got her mom into it. Dr. Phil wasn't buying the no sex BS.

Later in the show the founder of SA appeared (and here's the reason I'm replying), he said that membership had grown 500%+ since the scandal involving the Google exec's heroin overdose with that nasty hooker posing as an SB and using SA to snag men. He did not comment on whether the male to female ratio stayed constant throughout that 500% growth cycle, which was the statistic I was most interested in. Maybe it worked in our favor and there are more females joining? I'm not sure if that's good or not, because it may mean that killing executives with drug needles appealed to them. LOL.

I have to admit, I worry about the SB / SD industry getting too high on the radar such that it becomes the territory for federal law crackdowns. I personally never do anything illegal in the SD world, but it's very clear that a lot of folks do not properly distinguish sugar babys from pros, especially the pros themselves who would like to use it as an alternative (and as they perceive, safer for now) mechanism for landing johns.

This is one reason that I sometimes seem like I'm on a crusade to educate the public about the differences between true SBs and pros. Because if it becomes cloudy in the eyes of lawmakers, they will just start sending out the hounds to shut it all down, hook line and sinker. And that's not good for anyone.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;2270108]I travel a fair amount for business, so if my schedule allows I usually try and find an SB companion for at least 1 night on my trips. I've had pretty good luck at this, with only 1 experience I would consider a dud if we made it to the FC. Last week I sent out requests to a bunch of potentials in the city I was traveling to. One of the profiles mentioned that they were a pair and would only see someone as a pair. I sent a message to her and she responded. During our texting she said that her and her friend were an actual couple in a long-term relationship. I have had escort 3-somes in the past, but I always found them lacking in passion and real sexuality. There's nothing that turns me on more than seeing two women making out with each other and I just never sensed real passion my past experiences. The requested compensation was way beyond what I was comfy with for an SB type thing so I declined. She was really sweet and nice in our text exchanges and assured me a great time (who hasn't heard THAT before? I got to thinking that by escort standards it was really kind of a deal. I texted her back with a few conditions, min 2 hours, they are totally interactive, pics, etc. She agreed to the conditions and we were on. I have to admit I was preparing for a set-up. I've been around the block a few times and this just seemed TGTBT. On the day of I almost canceled a few times, but we got into a text conversation where she was asking a lot about me and I just got the sense they were on the up and up.

Finally the hour arrived and they showed up at my door. The one I had been communicating with was a very attractive slim blonde, her friend was a little on the thicker side, but not fat by any standards. We sat down, had a glass of wine and they related their story. They had both only been with men until they met each other. They worked in the same place, became friends, and then lovers. They said they sometimes missed having a man and decided together was the way to do it while making some $$$ at the same time. Eventually we just kind of looked at each other and it was on! In 10 seconds I could see they weren't lying. I've never seen two women in all the porn I've watched as hungry for each other as these two were. And the best thing hungry for me too! The next 2+ hours were a flurry of kissing, licking, sucking and f*ing. The thicker one was particularly sexual and just couldn't get enough dick. They both were incredible kissers. It was a totally amazing experience! Well into my top 5 experiences and possibly 1 or 2. They claim to be very picky about who they see, only having one other regular, but who knows if that's true. Although everything else she told be certainly turned out to be true, LOL I'm back down in that area in January and can not wait to see them again.

Now, the bad part. By this board's standards I know you're going to think I was nuts, but I agreed to $750 for my time with them. That's waaaay above what I normally give SBs for my out of town dates. The way I looked at it though, top level escort doubles get minimum $600 per hour and I've never seen under $1000 for two hours. These girls were way beyond any escort doubles I've been with and were there for way over 2 hours. Where would we be without a good rationalization every day? Haha Anyway, in mind mind well worth the cash.

Good hunting,

Travelin.[/QUOTE]While I'm certain the members of this board have saved me from over paying (thank you all) and led me to explore new SB experiences I would have never done on my own (thank you all again) I wouldn't for a moment think you were nuts for indulging in your amazing night. If you can afford it (or even if it hurt) you will go to the grave with the fantastic memories of that night and will have had a richer life for it. Good for you. Bravo!

[QUOTE=SkinJr;2270165]So I decided awhile back I was done with sb sites. Way too much time and energy trying to catch sbs. I let sa and my hushed number expire. I made it a couple weeks before I had to login to sa and see the new tail available.

So for two weeks I've been grinding it out. Several are wanting to meet but none are really hot. Then a hot coed agrees to drive 1 1/2 hours to see me. No discussion of sugar. She texts me around the time she should be leaving school. But then radio silence. Same day a local hot coed signs up, I immediately message her, she agrees to meet near college after class but never shows. The next day, today, she apologizes that she picked up a friend from the er. So now I'm getting really disgruntled again.

I am traveling today. I stop by to see one of the eager girls. I've been stalking her fb and she is cuter on fb than sa. I arrive and she's not what I want but doable. We hang out for an hour but I leave with nothing she has to get ready for work. I text her that she stop by my place after work and she agrees.

Then as I'm leaving a girl I've been messaging briefly for five days says she's available for dinner. I agree to a restaurant and then she tells me her address so I can pick her up. Interesting.

She is very demure acting and nervous. But smoking hot. Black with long straight hair and full lips 5'7" 125 lbs tiny but large breasts. We go to restaurant and everything is ok. We swing by some of my rental properties and in the driveway I ask for a kiss. We kiss some more. We sit there some and she goes "I will go in with you this time and check it out". Inside the house we start kissing. She leads me to couch and tells me to undo pants. And she's working BBBJ like crazy. 1 1/2 hours of crazy anything goes with her screaming "daddy" then CIM.

I read HGs post down below and I thought we had the same girl but I'm in sc.

She never asked for sugar. She actually got out of truck without any but I called her back. We talked about me picking her up again later.

She was prefect. She would do anything and never complained. At the end she worked it for 15 minutes straight and never slowed down. I had to pull it out of her mouth.

She could be ATF if I knew she wasn't utr or working. She stays at home so I don't think so and she's only been on sa for 2 months.[/QUOTE]Welcome back. You can check in but you can never check out LOL.

I'm just now starting to use SA regularly. I was wondering if you guys are typically explicit about cash for sex in your messages on there? I've always used regular dating sites in the past to find sb's and was never really concerned about LEO. With SA being pretty obvious as to it's purpose, I'm a little worried about getting caught up in some kind of sting. I'm sure I'm being paranoid, and I've never heard of LEO targeting sugar daddy sites, but figured I would ask your guy's opinion.

[QUOTE=GetLost;2269529]No one cares. Enough already with the soap opera. And she's playing you like a fiddle.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GetLost;2269884]For now it sounds good. But she will start asking for more and more. I guess some have to learn the hard way.[/QUOTE]You don't spit in the wind.

You don't pull the mask of that old Lone Ranger.

And you don't mess around with HG.

What you SHOULD do is read his posts without acting like a know-it-all; you might learn a little bit about how to make it in the Sugar Bowl.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2270340]I'm just now starting to use SA regularly. I was wondering if you guys are typically explicit about cash for sex in your messages on there? I've always used regular dating sites in the past to find sb's and was never really concerned about LEO. With SA being pretty obvious as to it's purpose, I'm a little worried about getting caught up in some kind of sting. I'm sure I'm being paranoid, and I've never heard of LEO targeting sugar daddy sites, but figured I would ask your guy's opinion.[/QUOTE]Well if you look at my post a couple of messages back, the biggest problem I see is that you say SA is obvious to it's purpose. That has not been anything remotely close to my experience. There is everything there from hookers to mainstream women (younger or older) who are attracted to men of success (duh) but would like marriage out of it all. Some of them really don't know what they want. Most of them are gold diggers one way or the other, the way I see it, so I usually seize the opportunity to paste their face with my man-glue whenever I get the opportunity, even if that opportunity is rare given my day to day life with my GF.

I think what you'll actually find on the site varies quite a bit depending on where you are. The city of Vegas attracts a certain type, as does L. A. My personal opinion? Easier to have fun there, harder to find real gold. I actually looked at Southern Cali many years back, and running hard statistics on dating sites led me to believe the male: female ratio was not in my favor for regular dating, but then I was looking at regular dating and not SB fun at the time. Depending on your demographic preference for girls, some locations may be better than others.

Bottom line is that not all sugar baby's are hookers. They are almost unconditionally gold-diggers in the sense that they strongly believe their pussy is good enough to deserve the best of the best. Luckily for you and I, they are right and we should shower them with the best man-juice we can offer.

But making flat money offers over the wire to girls is going to come back to haunt you sooner or later. I wish people wouldn't do that. It pollutes the waters and confuses craigslist hookers with real sugar babies. Sugar babies want to date you, they are looking for a guy that can take care of them and make them comfortable for life. They will screen you with the same level of prejudice they screen any other date, but the good news is that unless you're some sort of fraud, the very fact you are on an SD website indicates you are successful, good at what you do, and can take care of them either as a mistress or potentially more. They may or may not care that you're married -- they are not necessarily looking to fall in love, but some of them are. If you are only encountering girls interested in hourly hookups or prepaid arrangements, they are just UTR escorts and I really wish they would find a new venue before they fuck it all up for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2270389]Well if you look at my post a couple of messages back, the biggest problem I see is that you say SA is obvious to it's purpose. [/QUOTE]Hey Jeet, thanks for the reply. What I meant was, LEO would see it as being a means for prostitution and could use it for a sting type operation, like they do with backpage.

[QUOTE=FeelGoodMd;2270344]You don't spit in the wind.

You don't pull the mask of that old Lone Ranger.

And you don't mess around with HG.

What you SHOULD do is read his posts without acting like a know-it-all; you might learn a little bit about how to make it in the Sugar Bowl.[/QUOTE]Please ignore all trolls. They only want attention. Thank you.

RB.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2270405]Hey Jeet, thanks for the reply. What I meant was, LEO would see it as being a means for prostitution and could use it for a sting type operation, like they do with backpage.[/QUOTE]This has been addressed in this space many times before. LE wants a big sweep, so they will not get that targeting isolated SDs courting a POT SB. There have been a few cases but it is rare. They want a big bang for their efforts. As Jeez says, just don't mention sex and money. I emphasize paying an allowance for their time. I no longer specify that they must provide sexual services. There are more delicate ways to get around that.

My Asian Pot bolted for a bigger allowance. In my experience Asians are more likely to demand higher donations.

Re: Hollywood . He is the Godfather of the sugar space in my opinion . While I can't begin to identify with his success my life circumstances are quite different . My budget and freedom have contracted way below what is necessary to get a full stable of lasses. $30K /yr is what is required to have a robust social calendar and I am under $10 right now .

Got my sweet and sexual SB weekly ,which is barely enough but it does keep the cobwebs out anyway . 3 times/week would do it for me . I am not able to perform at Hollywoods level .

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2270698]This has been addressed in this space many times before. LE wants a big sweep, so they will not get that targeting isolated SDs courting a POT SB. There have been a few cases but it is rare. They want a big bang for their efforts. As Jeez says, just don't mention sex and money. I emphasize paying an allowance for their time. I no longer specify that they must provide sexual services. There are more delicate ways to get around that.

My Asian Pot bolted for a bigger allowance. In my experience Asians are more likely to demand higher donations.

Re: Hollywood . He is the Godfather of the sugar space in my opinion . While I can't begin to identify with his success my life circumstances are quite different . My budget and freedom have contracted way below what is necessary to get a full stable of lasses. $30K /yr is what is required to have a robust social calendar and I am under $10 right now .

Got my sweet and sexual SB weekly ,which is barely enough but it does keep the cobwebs out anyway . 3 times/week would do it for me . I am not able to perform at Hollywoods level .[/QUOTE]With no S. O. all I have is free time. I would imagine most attached guys get 8 to 15 romps a month with theirs. Anything less than 8 and you need to have a heart to heart.