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[QUOTE=BudBowl2001;6894571]Did you watch that video and see them. Watching all the traffic. If they were to ask whag kind of car, always say something wah different, or ask why. Aren't getting my car details.[/QUOTE]Not sure what you're trying to say, but it has nothing to do with what I was wondering about. Texting, with the new laws, and then showing up, I would think would get you a solicitation charge. Engaging in prostitution is having sex for money, was my understanding.
In my opinion, and I have engaged in this hobby for the most part of 45 years, it has become increasingly difficult and at the same time imperative that we protect ourselves. The change in the law that makes "inference" a chargeable offense shows that the existing laws were becoming increasingly ineffective.
What that means is that we as hobbyists MUST be sure in our activities to avoid even the inference of exchanging sex for money. If you are talking or texting a woman and she starts talking about money you have to realize that she is dumb as a box of rocks or bait for a sting, and avoid her, and at the same time state very clearly that you would never under any circumstance consider or propose any exchange of money for sexual favors. Unless she's your wife, LOL.
As far as going to a motel for fun, I prefer a motel for incall. Just not her motel. It is considerably less expensive to get a room yourself and pay for it than it is to hire a lawyer. And lets face it, its getting more expensive to play. Someone said something about preferring motels to an incall, being her motel. Its a lot easier for the pigs to arrange a sting in some house or motel than it is for someone to set that up in a room you just got.
I would write more, but I'm on moderation and don't want to get ti9 med out.
Cheech.
Though I have only a handful of times partaken of this hobby I can't be the only one that feels we owe this guy. Thanks for the advice and for keeping us safe. If I ever meet you in person your drink is on me!
[QUOTE=Cheech1;6895761]In my opinion, and I have engaged in this hobby for the most part of 45 years, it has become increasingly difficult and at the same time imperative that we protect ourselves. The change in the law that makes "inference" a chargeable offense shows that the existing laws were becoming increasingly ineffective.
What that means is that we as hobbyists MUST be sure in our activities to avoid even the inference of exchanging sex for money. If you are talking or texting a woman and she starts talking about money you have to realize that she is dumb as a box of rocks or bait for a sting, and avoid her, and at the same time state very clearly that you would never under any circumstance consider or propose any exchange of money for sexual favors. Unless she's your wife, LOL.
As far as going to a motel for fun, I prefer a motel for incall. Just not her motel. It is considerably less expensive to get a room yourself and pay for it than it is to hire a lawyer. And lets face it, its getting more expensive to play. Someone said something about preferring motels to an incall, being her motel. Its a lot easier for the pigs to arrange a sting in some house or motel than it is for someone to set that up in a room you just got.
I would write more, but I'm on moderation and don't want to get ti9 med out.
Cheech.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your comments Joe, I appreciate them.
Further to my statements, we can enjoy our hobby, but we have to educate ourselves to understand how our opponents operate. I have never once heard of a guy getting convicted because the pigs burst into a room while he was banging a willing partner. Never.
What that means is that it is always some kind of setup, and as long as we understand the law and don't fall into the traps we will be ok. The problem is the exchange of money for sex. If there is never evidence of that occurring there is no conviction unless someone caves. For that reason I have always preferred to get a room myself for fun times. If I get a clean room in a Motel 6, for example, I don't have to worry about insects. I don't have to worry about the room being wired. I don't have to worry about the "boyfriend" trying to rob me. I don't have to worry about the pigs bursting in, they have to have a warrant and I know they have to have a warrant to enter.
Cheech.
As always, thanks for your insights, and observations. -AL.
[QUOTE=Cheech1;6924701]Thanks for your comments Joe, I appreciate them.
Further to my statements, we can enjoy our hobby, but we have to educate ourselves to understand how our opponents operate. I have never once heard of a guy getting convicted because the pigs burst into a room while he was banging a willing partner. Never.
What that means is that it is always some kind of setup, and as long as we understand the law and don't fall into the traps we will be ok. The problem is the exchange of money for sex. If there is never evidence of that occurring there is no conviction unless someone caves. For that reason I have always preferred to get a room myself for fun times. If I get a clean room in a Motel 6, for example, I don't have to worry about insects. I don't have to worry about the room being wired. I don't have to worry about the "boyfriend" trying to rob me. I don't have to worry about the pigs bursting in, they have to have a warrant and I know they have to have a warrant to enter.
Cheech.[/QUOTE]
This may be a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway is it illegal to pay for video sex in Ohio, can you have a cam session with an adult female you meet on lets say craigslist or Stg, and agree to pay for video sex? Is LEO now trying to consider this a form of Solicitation?
[QUOTE=AlanEvergreen;6926974]This may be a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway is it illegal to pay for video sex in Ohio, can you have a cam session with an adult female you meet on lets say craigslist or Stg, and agree to pay for video sex? Is LEO now trying to consider this a form of Solicitation?[/QUOTE]Depends on the agency.
[URL]https://www.geaugamapleleaf.com/news/chester-spa-closed-following-prostitution-raid/[/URL]
[QUOTE=JackRoy5838;6932870][URL]https://www.geaugamapleleaf.com/news/chester-spa-closed-following-prostitution-raid/[/URL][/QUOTE]"Authorities monitored the Silver Spa looking for evidence to confirm rumors that a person could get more than a massage there. The day before the raid officials questioned seven "repeat customers" as they left the spa. Several of the customers told police the spa offered sex for money along with the massages. ".
What kind of dumb asshole would talk about services with LEO?
[QUOTE=FunLuvNgyy;6932932]"Authorities monitored the Silver Spa looking for evidence to confirm rumors that a person could get more than a massage there. The day before the raid officials questioned seven "repeat customers" as they left the spa. Several of the customers told police the spa offered sex for money along with the massages. ".
What kind of dumb asshole would talk about services with LEO?[/QUOTE]Does anyone in this forum actually need to be told that when the police initiated a conversation with you it is never in your best interests? Cooperation doesn't mean shit, either. It saves you nothing. Your friend is your attorney, and you should never talk to Uncle LEO, even casually, without counsel.
[QUOTE=FunLuvNgyy;6932932]"Authorities monitored the Silver Spa looking for evidence to confirm rumors that a person could get more than a massage there. The day before the raid officials questioned seven "repeat customers" as they left the spa. Several of the customers told police the spa offered sex for money along with the massages. ".
What kind of dumb asshole would talk about services with LEO?[/QUOTE]My guess is they didn't talk to anyone, therefore there was nobody admitting to sex. Like WTF.
On the other hand, set those girls up with an apartment and put your cash in a bank FFS. You're just asking for health code violations and people thinking you are trafficking women. At least make the attempt to run a straight shop.
From the article I would say they have no evidence. They clearly would have threatened to guys they questioned and tried to get them to cave. If the guys knew what they were doing they would have said nothing.
Also, and importantly, the pigs seized the cash. That's the point. Plus they get to play with other agencies, etc.
Cheech.
[QUOTE=FunLuvNgyy;6932932]"Authorities monitored the Silver Spa looking for evidence to confirm rumors that a person could get more than a massage there. The day before the raid officials questioned seven "repeat customers" as they left the spa. Several of the customers told police the spa offered sex for money along with the massages. ".
What kind of dumb asshole would talk about services with LEO?[/QUOTE]That quote is actually about a 2008 raid in Silver Spa. This quote is about this investigation:
"Flaiz said Chester police conducted a covert surveillance of the business. Thereafter, police interviewed several male customers whose vehicles were observed in the parking lot. The men were questioned if more than massage services were given at the spa. None of the men were detained or arrested. ".
[QUOTE=JackRoy5838;6932870][URL]https://www.geaugamapleleaf.com/news/chester-spa-closed-following-prostitution-raid/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thats unfortunate she was rly attractive.
[URL]https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2024/08/cleveland-man-carjacked-after-escort-date-turns-out-to-be-a-setup-police-say.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=SoccerNuts5;7006580][URL]https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2024/08/cleveland-man-carjacked-after-escort-date-turns-out-to-be-a-setup-police-say.html[/URL][/QUOTE]If you google her name + arrest she is a big ol girl.
Here's a lesson to be learned about sending deposits.
[URL]https://www.cleveland.com/community/2024/10/brook-park-man-scammed-out-of-200-harassed-by-woman-he-met-on-dating-app.html[/URL]
Election year fellas. Also, I think it say they identified 78 HT survivors? That's seems like a lot.
[URL]https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Media/News-Releases/October-2024/132-Arrested-as-Operation-END-OHHT-Targets-Those-S[/URL]
[QUOTE=BardsTale;6894684]In the 30 years I have been going to AMP's, I have yet to have one of the girls ever slip me a note that says "help me". These girls love making money.[/QUOTE]Uncles love their annual budget, revenue, forfeiture, paychecks. Public relations too.
[QUOTE=DirtMerchant;7065940]Election year fellas. Also, I think it say they identified 78 HT survivors? That's seems like a lot.
[URL]https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Media/News-Releases/October-2024/132-Arrested-as-Operation-END-OHHT-Targets-Those-S[/URL][/QUOTE]Anyone know if merely sending a text inquiring about an online ad is enough to get you in the cross-hairs of law enforcement? I use a Google voice number that presumably would be a headache to trace back to me, and I'm assuming the unlucky fellas listed in this article actually showed up at a prearranged location where they were arrested, but I'm curious if anyone knows where that line is at in the eyes of police. Relying on credible reviews from this site seems like the best way to avoid surprises, imo.
[QUOTE=OldBrausa;7066607]Anyone know if merely sending a text inquiring about an online ad is enough to get you in the cross-hairs of law enforcement? I use a Google voice number that presumably would be a headache to trace back to me, and I'm assuming the unlucky fellas listed in this article actually showed up at a prearranged location where they were arrested, but I'm curious if anyone knows where that line is at in the eyes of police. Relying on credible reviews from this site seems like the best way to avoid surprises, imo.[/QUOTE]I know how all the Johns got busted showing up at hotels thinking they were meeting an escort but I wonder if any Johns gor busted at the massage parlors and how that worked.
[QUOTE=Smgrinder;7066952]I know how all the Johns got busted showing up at hotels thinking they were meeting an escort but I wonder if any Johns gor busted at the massage parlors and how that worked.[/QUOTE]If you watch the video on the Ohio website called "b roll footage" it appears a bunch were picking up streetwalkers who were cops.
There were some hotel busts too, but the AMP's just had short videos of the outside of each place and a couple weirdo dudes backlighting the dick area of the massage table as they peeled back the layers of sheets on each table that I am sure have not been washed since the place opened.
So what to do if I get caught up?
Reading the Cleveland forum they're pretty sure all mongers were hotel stings.
3 AMPs busted in Painesville but no clients.
Other than getting caught, how do I avoid my city and occupation being listed?
I know in a couple days its all on the county web site, but I'd like a day or 2 to brace the wife and kids.
Thanks and stay silent.
[QUOTE=Mantenomo;7067336]So what to do if I get caught up?
Reading the Cleveland forum they're pretty sure all mongers were hotel stings.
3 AMPs busted in Painesville but no clients.
Other than getting caught, how do I avoid my city and occupation being listed?
I know in a couple days its all on the county web site, but I'd like a day or 2 to brace the wife and kids.
Thanks and stay silent.[/QUOTE]So, did you get caught and need advice with how to handle it or are you legitimately asking "just in case it does happen" Only thing you can do if caught is shut up and get a lawyer. Noone here can give you the kind of advice you are looking for better than a lawyer can.
[QUOTE=Mantenomo;7067336]So what to do if I get caught up?
Reading the Cleveland forum they're pretty sure all mongers were hotel stings.
3 AMPs busted in Painesville but no clients.
Other than getting caught, how do I avoid my city and occupation being listed?
I know in a couple days its all on the county web site, but I'd like a day or 2 to brace the wife and kids.
Thanks and stay silent.[/QUOTE]Ask the officer "Officer, am I being detained?
1. Yes: IMMEDIATELY clam up and ask for a lawyer. Legally all you need to give is your name and address. NEVER volunteer anything without consulting your lawyer.
2. No: "Am I free to go?" - and keep repeating till they let you go. If they say you are being detained, go to option 1.
Never volunteer any information like I was just walking here, or even anything innocent. Everything you say will be used against you in the court of law.
[QUOTE=OldBrausa;7066607]Anyone know if merely sending a text inquiring about an online ad is enough to get you in the cross-hairs of law enforcement? I use a Google voice number that presumably would be a headache to trace back to me, and I'm assuming the unlucky fellas listed in this article actually showed up at a prearranged location where they were arrested, but I'm curious if anyone knows where that line is at in the eyes of police. Relying on credible reviews from this site seems like the best way to avoid surprises, imo.[/QUOTE]Montgomery county (Dayton) I was caught up once. Put in the squad. On way to county they stopped at a traffic stop and put another guy in back with me. Needless to say we became buddies going through the booking process. He was stationed at the AF base nearby. Contacted the ad. Went to go visit. Two blocks away his wife calls and said she needed him home right away. He pulled into a nearby parking lot to turn around, and they pulled him over just down the road. Asked him to step out, asked him questions about the ad, he denied, then called the number that was texting the decoy, and it was his phone.
He never admitted to texting the decoy. Told me (idk if it was true or not) that he never said anything illegal in the text messages. But they arrested and charged him anyways. Not sure if he fought it or not so idk if I stuck.
During "John's school" the county prosecutor stated that the ad implies enough that contacting the person in the ad confirms what you are trying to do and is enough for them to get a conviction if it went to trial.
This was years ago when backpage was the go to.
So long story short, idk if they can convict you for just contacting an ad, but being in the vicinity of the Incall, it won't stop them from arresting you. To be clear on my case, I never asked x for why, I only said I wanted a show as my spider senses were tingling when I walked in the door. Not LE tingling, that I was going to get screwed over. She left the room. I grabbed my coat to leave. Opened the front door to walk out and two plain clothes officers surprised the door opened were happy to cuff me up. And I never suspected LE because this was at a house. Not hotel, not pick up on street. An actual home with furniture, kids toys, dirty dishes.
Anyways stay safe out there.
It only confirms what you are trying to do unless you steer the conversation away from it. They can't choose your intentions, that guy probably lied. Key is, you HAVE to steer the conversation, otherwise showing up is enough to imply what you were there for. You have to make it clear you aren't implicitly or explicitly offering anything of value in exchange for sex, and shut up immediately when the cuffs click.
[QUOTE=Terak0306;7067998]Montgomery county (Dayton) I was caught up once. Put in the squad. On way to county they stopped at a traffic stop and put another guy in back with me. Needless to say we became buddies going through the booking process. He was stationed at the AF base nearby. Contacted the ad. Went to go visit. Two blocks away his wife calls and said she needed him home right away. He pulled into a nearby parking lot to turn around, and they pulled him over just down the road. Asked him to step out, asked him questions about the ad, he denied, then called the number that was texting the decoy, and it was his phone.
He never admitted to texting the decoy. Told me (idk if it was true or not) that he never said anything illegal in the text messages. But they arrested and charged him anyways. Not sure if he fought it or not so idk if I stuck.
During "John's school" the county prosecutor stated that the ad implies enough that contacting the person in the ad confirms what you are trying to do and is enough for them to get a conviction if it went to trial.
This was years ago when backpage was the go to.
So long story short, idk if they can convict you for just contacting an ad, but being in the vicinity of the Incall, it won't stop them from arresting you. To be clear on my case, I never asked x for why, I only said I wanted a show as my spider senses were tingling when I walked in the door. Not LE tingling, that I was going to get screwed over. She left the room. I grabbed my coat to leave. Opened the front door to walk out and two plain clothes officers surprised the door opened were happy to cuff me up. And I never suspected LE because this was at a house. Not hotel, not pick up on street. An actual home with furniture, kids toys, dirty dishes.
Anyways stay safe out there.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tf777;7067754]So, did you get caught and need advice with how to handle it or are you legitimately asking "just in case it does happen" Only thing you can do if caught is shut up and get a lawyer. Noone here can give you the kind of advice you are looking for better than a lawyer can.[/QUOTE]Haven't been busted, yet, but wondering on published discrepancies in news reports.
Of course you say nothing and ask for your lawyer. The question was.
1. Some poor guys have name, age, town lived in and occupation (worst if a public position).
2. A lucky few have only a name and age.
3, Even fewer have some generic name and an overses country.
How do you forestall all your details before the news gets it?
It all will eventually be posted on the county's website.
But what happens during an arrest? Is it just a dumb monger under pressure from LEO or more likely some locales just push more for details or some don't care?
Thanks and stay silent.
This whole prostitution crackdown in the country is purely political. Your response to the ad will be logged in the HTTF that was running the operation if it was an HTTF and they have 2 years to technically file charges for misdemeanors if the conversation meets the stipulations for the offense. Is it likely they can get enough? Well that depends. Did you send a pic? Did you call them and they have your voice? Did you agree to misdemeanors? Did you agree to felonies? All factors. However here is the deciding factor. If you're a peon, they aren't going to spend the money to come press charges. If you were running for senator? Probably. Look up the west Virginia senators prostitution arrest. And you'll see, even there, it didn't hold up. So if they have political motivation, charged maybe, convicted unlikely. But if you're a peon and you didn't commit any felonies, your fine.
[QUOTE=Mantenomo;7068627]Haven't been busted, yet, but wondering on published discrepancies in news reports.
Of course you say nothing and ask for your lawyer. The question was.
1. Some poor guys have name, age, town lived in and occupation (worst if a public position).
2. A lucky few have only a name and age.
3, Even fewer have some generic name and an overses country.
How do you forestall all your details before the news gets it?
It all will eventually be posted on the county's website..[/QUOTE]
All of this. Plus, if you have priors in any sex related offenses. If they run info on you and find you're on the SO list, you can believe they are getting any subpoenas or warrants they need and they will show up for you sooner or later. 99% of those arrests are in person because dude showed up but every now and again when you read articles, you'll see that they got some guy from way out of town that was pandering or importuning. If you're nobody and didn't really get into any terrible shit via voice / text you're likely OK. Just going to have to wait it out.
Bottom line, be careful, no unnecessary contact, do your research and watch what you say. Sure, technically what is being said in the ad on STG is likely enough to show intent of your contact, but if you're insulating yourself by using a burner, etc, and not asking to meet with a teen or whatever, they're not spending the time, and money to look for a random John.
[QUOTE=SteelPenguin;7069032]This whole prostitution crackdown in the country is purely political. Your response to the ad will be logged in the HTTF that was running the operation if it was an HTTF and they have 2 years to technically file charges for misdemeanors if the conversation meets the stipulations for the offense. Is it likely they can get enough? Well that depends. Did you send a pic? Did you call them and they have your voice? Did you agree to misdemeanors? Did you agree to felonies? All factors. However here is the deciding factor. If you're a peon, they aren't going to spend the money to come press charges. If you were running for senator? Probably. Look up the west Virginia senators prostitution arrest. And you'll see, even there, it didn't hold up. So if they have political motivation, charged maybe, convicted unlikely. But if you're a peon and you didn't commit any felonies, your fine.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DirtMerchant;7070786]All of this. Plus, if you have priors in any sex related offenses. If they run info on you and find you're on the SO list, you can believe they are getting any subpoenas or warrants they need and they will show up for you sooner or later. 99% of those arrests are in person because dude showed up but every now and again when you read articles, you'll see that they got some guy from way out of town that was pandering or importuning. If you're nobody and didn't really get into any terrible shit via voice / text you're likely OK. Just going to have to wait it out.
Bottom line, be careful, no unnecessary contact, do your research and watch what you say. Sure, technically what is being said in the ad on STG is likely enough to show intent of your contact, but if you're insulating yourself by using a burner, etc, and not asking to meet with a teen or whatever, they're not spending the time, and money to look for a random John.[/QUOTE]Is communicating through WhatsApp safer? I know most providers here in US probably never heard of that app but I hear its unhackable. I know as soon as I mention WhatsApp most providers will think I am trying to scam her from a foreign country. another thing freaks me out sometimes they would send pic but in the background there is a kid.
[QUOTE=Pinkumia;7071231]Is communicating through WhatsApp safer? I know most providers here in US probably never heard of that app but I hear its unhackable. I know as soon as I mention WhatsApp most providers will think I am trying to scam her from a foreign country. another thing freaks me out sometimes they would send pic but in the background there is a kid.[/QUOTE]You still have to provide a phone number. Problem isn't so much whether the communication itself is encrypted, problem is who is on the other end (or shows the other end to someone). I have seen more and more snapchat being used. At least messages get automatically deleted after 24 hours (by default, can be changed / individual messages can be saved).
[QUOTE=Blbl1234;7071528]You still have to provide a phone number. Problem isn't so much whether the communication itself is encrypted, problem is who is on the other end (or shows the other end to someone). I have seen more and more snapchat being used. At least messages get automatically deleted after 24 hours (by default, can be changed / individual messages can be saved).[/QUOTE]True, but your number can be your burner number.
Just want to get a pulse: I know we felt because it was an election year things got tight.
Do you feel that things will loosen up a bit now since the election is over or no? The streets seem to flow regardless, I'm wondering about the AMP and Stripclubs. Will the boys in blue to busy or will the red sweep have them at every door?
[URL]https://www.cleveland.com/community/2024/11/man-arrested-for-engaging-in-prostitution-at-hotel-independence-police-blotter.html[/URL]
Yost is going to run for gov. And he will want his name out there as much as possible.
[QUOTE=MrDo1;7102922]Just want to get a pulse: I know we felt because it was an election year things got tight.
Do you feel that things will loosen up a bit now since the election is over or no? The streets seem to flow regardless, I'm wondering about the AMP and Stripclubs. Will the boys in blue to busy or will the red sweep have them at every door?[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=Dustit99;7105093][URL]https://www.cleveland.com/community/2024/11/man-arrested-for-engaging-in-prostitution-at-hotel-independence-police-blotter.html[/URL][/QUOTE]From the story. "Police issued a warrant for the arrest of a man suspected of engaging in prostitution at hotels in Independence and Middleburg Heights.
Police responded to a call. From management at a Red Roof Inn. ".
Does this read as they've been tracking this particular john for a period of time? Have they been following him from Red Roof Inn to Red Roof Inn? Or have they been tracking the woman? Or simply responding to a RRI employee who had suspicions? Article says cops interviewed her *after* the deed and that she admitted to pr* it*tion but no mention of arresting her for that.
I guess the big picture is just "be careful. ".
[QUOTE=CarGuyF599;7106873]From the story. "Police issued a warrant for the arrest of a man suspected of engaging in prostitution at hotels in Independence and Middleburg Heights.
Police responded to a call. From management at a Red Roof Inn. ".
Does this read as they've been tracking this particular john for a period of time? Have they been following him from Red Roof Inn to Red Roof Inn? Or have they been tracking the woman? Or simply responding to a RRI employee who had suspicions? Article says cops interviewed her *after* the deed and that she admitted to pr* it*tion but no mention of arresting her for that.
I guess the big picture is just "be careful. ".[/QUOTE]That whole article seems fucking crazy. First, police respondimg to RRI about a call of *possible* prostitution or drugs? Then, tracking the car? The woman admitting and confirming tricking this visit and many prior visits? The craziest part might be it was onnly $100.
Also, the headline says arrested but the article only says contacted. All of this for possible blow and go? Crazy. Sounds like he said she said. Good luck with that coppers.
[QUOTE=DirtMerchant;7106907]That whole article seems fucking crazy. First, police respondimg to RRI about a call of *possible* prostitution or drugs? Then, tracking the car? The woman admitting and confirming tricking this visit and many prior visits? The craziest part might be it was onnly $100.
Also, the headline says arrested but the article only says contacted. All of this for possible blow and go? Crazy. Sounds like he said she said. Good luck with that coppers.[/QUOTE]He clearly talked to them when he didn't have to. He made his bed, he can sleep in it. Will it lead to a conviction however? Probably not. But getting this far was clearly his choice.
[QUOTE=SteelPenguin;7106912]He clearly talked to them when he didn't have to. He made his bed, he can sleep in it. Will it lead to a conviction however? Probably not. But getting this far was clearly his choice.[/QUOTE]You don't know that from the article, which indeed is unclear. They had a warrant for his arrest. He was contacted and / or arrested. That's all you know.
If what the article says is accurate, and there's not much more to the story, it seems absolutely insane that a warrant was issued based on a call of suspicion. You need a lot more than suspicion to even detain someone in a traffic stop or on the street. It needs to be actionable suspicion.
Either there is more evidence or this is a pretty clear overreach, which will go nowhere, even if he did talk, based on the warrant not being valid in the first place.
We don't know the whole story so all we can do is speculate. But Ohio seems to be pushing the limits on civil rights.
I'm assuming they felt they're going to stand on some of the new laws to even attempt to make this stick. Someone's going to start pushing back on this kind of thing.