Not a sting per se, but what would you have done?
Maybe you've just started in this hobby, or perhaps you're like me and have been doing it for many years. Do you know what you would do if confronted by the police after leaving an appointment? Do you really know what you would do?
Honestly, I hadn't really thought about it that much. I had never had a police encounter; not even close, so I wasn't very concerned when I made an appointment with a provider whom I had never met before. After a few times, you get this feeling of invincibility, like nothing bad can ever happen.
I had just left an apartment building in a town right on 128. As I walking back to my car, two undercover cops approached me. In hindsight, I didn't handle it as well as I could have. As one of them approached, I realized what was happening, and I got in my car and attempted to drive off. The cop slammed his fist against my window, flashing his badge, and ordered me to park and get out, which I did.
First thing he did was ask for I'd. Note that he did not demand it, because it was not a traffic stop. He just said,"Got any I'd?" Thinking back, I did not have to give it to him, but it may have helped me in the long run by cooperating. But really, their is no requirement in Massachusetts to identify yourself to police on the street.
After I gave him my license, he asked me where I had been. Knowing my rights, I remained silent. Then the real fun started. The one who seemed to be in charge started threatening to call my wife, my kids' school and so forth. He made a call, but it was only to run my name through the CHSB (Criminal History Systems Board) for any outstanding warrants. Naturally, I had none, and no criminal history. He seemed genuinely disappointed by this.
Both he and his partner made some vague threats, lied to me, acted like they knew all the facts, lying,"We don't want you, we want her".
I finally told them that I was not going to say anything else, and that I wanted to speak with a lawyer.
It was at this point that they stole my cell phone right out of my pocket, so that I couldn't "warn her". That's right. They reached into my pocket and took my phone. Luckily, my phone was password protected, so they couldn't get anything from it. It took me a while to get it back, and it was a hassle. After they took my phone, the one in charge told me that I was free to go.
What would I have done differently? I'm glad I kept my mouth shut. I knew lying to the police is a crime, so I just didn't say anything. If I had lied, and they had caught me in a lie, they could have charged me. In hindsight I would not have acted so guilty.
Instead of ignoring them and just trying to drive away, I would have spoken with them when they approached me, and answered their initial questions without being evasive, telling them that I was just having lunch with a friend. Instead I started with,"Am I being detained, or am I free to go?" They did not like this at all.
Of course they would have asked for a name and address, and I would have had to shut them down, at which point they might have gotten nasty anyway.
It's not surprising how effective this tactic is. When they cannot use an undercover to get the SP, they try to get a customer to incriminate her by threatening him with arrest or public embarrassment. You'd be amazed how easily many customers will roll over, especially if they don't know their rights, or have something to lose.
You may think you'd be strong and tough, but it's a whole different story when it happens to you.
Must you identify yourself?
[QUOTE=BillyPilgrim;1368673]But really, their is no requirement in Massachusetts to identify yourself to police on the street.[/QUOTE]BP,
Sorry to hear about your encounter with the cops.
You did the right thing by providing your I'd, not driving away after the officer flashed his badge, and not providing further information. However, I am not sure about your above statement on identifying yourself.
If a police officer has reasonable cause to stop and interrogate you, I believe you must identify yourself if requested by that police officer. In your case, the officers were staking out the apartment of a suspected criminal, and you were observed leaving her building. Perhaps the cops were only marginally justified in stopping you, but that is another matter.
I am not an attorney, and I could be mistaken about the requirement to identify yourself. I am raising this issue because it could be a big problem if we are in your unfortunate position, and break the rules.
Glad to hear you got your phone back. It sounds like those cops were pissed off and wanted to bust your balls.
OM
Actually he was updateing.
[QUOTE=Rito1;1415572]You are a little late with this one.[/QUOTE]This was in Fridays (3/30/12) Globe. They handed down indictments for prostitution.
Worcester area AMPs busted
It doesn't say anything about "workers" or even entering the premises. Hummm.
[url]http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120622/NEWS/120629805/1116[/url]
Owners Busted: Sun Spa and Bodywork
[url]http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/10/18/feds-state-seek-arrests-sex-slavery-operation/B3UGV1wkGYcGM7UOc71PWI/story.html[/url]
The officials were investigating allegations of human trafficking and prostitution at Sun Studio, also known as Sun Spa, in Wellesley and Bodywork in Revere.
Same old bait-and-switch from the same old liars
[QUOTE=Oldmonger; 1573939][url]http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/10/18/feds-state-seek-arrests-sex-slavery-operation/B3UGV1wkGYcGM7UOc71PWI/story.html[/url]
The officials were investigating allegations of human trafficking and prostitution at Sun Studio, also known as Sun Spa, in Wellesley and Bodywork in Revere.[/QUOTE]Yeah, right. It's the same old bait-and-switch that those clowns used in Providence a few years back (and again recently). They use them everywhere. The URL that Oldmonger gave up there says "feds-state-seek-arrests-sex-slavery-operation"; the story itself says "officials were investigating allegations of human trafficking and prostitution"; but there is NO, ZERO, ZILCH, ZIP information ANYWHERE IN THIS STORY to indicate *where* the "allegations" came from, or *why* they should be believed. All there is, is crap like the last paragraph:
[QUOTE]“Today’s arrests are the result of the great partnership HSI has with the Massachusetts Attorney General’s office and Massachusetts State Police in our unyielding resolve to bring human traffickers to justice,” said Bruce M. Foucart, special agent in charge of HSI Boston. “Human trafficking can exist anywhere, as shown with this investigation. HSI will continue to work with our law enforcement partners to ensure that those who commit these crimes are held accountable for their actions.”[/QUOTE]Agent Fouc-yourself-art, I don't doubt you that "Human trafficking can exist anywhere", but it has NOT been "shown with this investigation" as reported so far, and I'll bet you a shiny new dime that it NEVER WILL be "shown with this investigation", just like it WAS NEVER "shown" with the Providence investigations-not ONE "human trafficking" arrest, let alone conviction, EVER came out of those.
Don't your balls get a bit hot, Bruce, when your pants are on fire all the time like that?
More AMPs targetted Thursday: Search warrants executed in 6 MA & NH communities
[url]http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20121018sex_trafficking_at_massage_parlors_targeted/[/url]
"State and federal investigators are in the process of executing search warrants in a half dozen communities in Massachusetts and New Hampshire as part of an investigation into allegations of human trafficking.
The warrants were executed Thursday in Malden, Quincy, Kingston, Revere, Wellesley, and Manchester, N. H.
A spokesman for Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley said investigators are looking into allegations of prostitution and sex trafficking in Asian massage parlors.
The warrants are being executed by state and federal authorities, as well as local police."
Malden Woman Arrested for Sex Slavery
[url]http://malden.patch.com/articles/sex-slavery-being-investigated-in-malden[/url]
XXXX. 49, of Malden, was arrested Thursday night and faces arraignment Friday for charges of sex trafficking and keeping a house of prostitution.