Massage Therapists

[QUOTE=MeCook;6008621]As AssEaterNow said, almost all of the Chinese places will only give out a lame massage with no pressure and dead fish full service. Their Handjobs are not good as well. I might make an exception for Jenni now working at Dynasty as her hands are so small she needs to use them both. I unfortunately saw her before she started offering full service and missed out.

As for the Thai places, now many disappoint me not with the massage quality but with the major upsell. So now I just go for a good massage and will decline any extras that they offer and will head over to an AMP for that. So I rather pay $210 for full service at a Korean AMP then pay $140-160 to a greedy Thai place for just a HE.[/QUOTE]Where are your go to legit massage places? I found Eden and Blue Hawaii to be pretty good for me.

My fault because I'm a fugugly Dumbass, so I'm warning all you other Dumbasses like me. ! All the Thai shops and thai therapists are the same, no trust gold diggers and they are good at this game. Professionals.

The BAIT.

Found a pretty, happy, friendly Thai MT, gave a decent massage with a HE. No FS. So good went to visit on a weekly schedule. Tipping more each time hoping for more.

SET THE HOOK.

Started getting text messages, " I miss you, please come, not too busy".

Then, " come early 11 am or 12 pm please". Me, DUMBASSS " OK".

Get the regular Rub and Tug, but still no pussy. Excuse, not clean, need to shave, or red river. After I get she hungry so can we go lunch. Me DUMBASS. "OK".

None of this food court, fast food but upscale AC sit inside and relax restaurants. She did have her own car which we used so nobody I knew, knew. Still no pussy. It's me who's paying all the way. Felt good hanging out with a cute girl like having arm candy.

REELING ME IN.

THEN, more "please can I come pick you up early, not busy". Me "OK" .

Lunch, then we go cruise, in her car, Aiea, Kapolei, pearlridge, AlaMoana shopping centers. Different days. I had to drag her past the jewelry and purse stores but finally gave in at the Victoria lingerie store. Dropped some $$. Drops me off at my place, won't spend the night, said got to get up early for work. Expensive day. Still no pussy.

Now I get the latest texted message. :"I have to find a job to make money, so if you can help me with expenses, $300/ day, not counting food or gas. "I can be good company, great driver, entertainer, make you happy. " WTF!.

I cut the line. No more BS.

So just warning my brothers, DON'T BE A DUMBASS LIKE ME!

[QUOTE=NevaEnuf;6008732]My fault because I'm a fugugly Dumbass, so I'm warning all you other Dumbasses like me. ! All the Thai shops and thai therapists are the same, no trust gold diggers and they are good at this game. Professionals.

The BAIT.

Found a pretty, happy, friendly Thai MT, gave a decent massage with a HE. No FS. So good went to visit on a weekly schedule. Tipping more each time hoping for more.

SET THE HOOK.

Started getting text messages, " I miss you, please come, not too busy".

Then, " come early 11 am or 12 pm please". Me, DUMBASSS " OK".

Get the regular Rub and Tug, but still no pussy. Excuse, not clean, need to shave, or red river. After I get she hungry so can we go lunch. Me DUMBASS. "OK".

None of this food court, fast food but upscale AC sit inside and relax restaurants. She did have her own car which we used so nobody I knew, knew. Still no pussy. It's me who's paying all the way. Felt good hanging out with a cute girl like having arm candy.

REELING ME IN.

THEN, more "please can I come pick you up early, not busy". Me "OK" .

Lunch, then we go cruise, in her car, Aiea, Kapolei, pearlridge, AlaMoana shopping centers. Different days. I had to drag her past the jewelry and purse stores but finally gave in at the Victoria lingerie store. Dropped some $$. Drops me off at my place, won't spend the night, said got to get up early for work. Expensive day. Still no pussy.

Now I get the latest texted message. :"I have to find a job to make money, so if you can help me with expenses, $300/ day, not counting food or gas. "I can be good company, great driver, entertainer, make you happy. " WTF!.

I cut the line. No more BS.

So just warning my brothers, DON'T BE A DUMBASS LIKE ME![/QUOTE]NevaEnuf, bruh I know that feeling and what you went thru. Pre COVID, I met some girls that did exactly the same thing. I hope your experience will save most of the other brothers from heartache and pain. I'm pretty much done with these Thai places. They all working together. Sad is they jacking up the house fee and same lack luster service and they want upsells. I'm done with all that. And she just kept sweet talking you to take her out, spend money on her and no nooky. Bye girl. Move on bro. Go get a girl that will give you that pussy at an AMP, go Happiness and release that stress. Hono1.

Brah, no feel bad! I bet you almost everyone one of us went through this, bargirl, MT, AMP girl and so on! You hopefully learned your lesson and now can move on—-.

This game is a game which we can't get caught with the nice nice then fuck us over. Like H1 said go AMPs pretty much guarantee, get some good Thais but massage HJ and bag. If your heart is good once in a great great great while you can but you still going spend a lot of money. Know too many older gentlemen who gave their hearts and wallets and they lost everything. I don't know how their wives take it but they do!

[QUOTE=NevaEnuf;6008732]My fault because I'm a fugugly Dumbass, so I'm warning all you other Dumbasses like me. ! All the Thai shops and thai therapists are the same, no trust gold diggers and they are good at this game. Professionals.

The BAIT.

Found a pretty, happy, friendly Thai MT, gave a decent massage with a HE. No FS. So good went to visit on a weekly schedule. Tipping more each time hoping for more.

SET THE HOOK.

Started getting text messages, " I miss you, please come, not too busy".

Then, " come early 11 am or 12 pm please". Me, DUMBASSS " OK".

Get the regular Rub and Tug, but still no pussy. Excuse, not clean, need to shave, or red river. After I get she hungry so can we go lunch. Me DUMBASS. "OK".

None of this food court, fast food but upscale AC sit inside and relax restaurants. She did have her own car which we used so nobody I knew, knew. Still no pussy. It's me who's paying all the way. Felt good hanging out with a cute girl like having arm candy.

REELING ME IN.

THEN, more "please can I come pick you up early, not busy". Me "OK" .

Lunch, then we go cruise, in her car, Aiea, Kapolei, pearlridge, AlaMoana shopping centers. Different days. I had to drag her past the jewelry and purse stores but finally gave in at the Victoria lingerie store. Dropped some $$. Drops me off at my place, won't spend the night, said got to get up early for work. Expensive day. Still no pussy.

Now I get the latest texted message. :"I have to find a job to make money, so if you can help me with expenses, $300/ day, not counting food or gas. "I can be good company, great driver, entertainer, make you happy. " WTF!.

I cut the line. No more BS.

So just warning my brothers, DON'T BE A DUMBASS LIKE ME![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NevaEnuf;6008732]My fault because I'm a fugugly Dumbass, so I'm warning all you other Dumbasses like me. ! All the Thai shops and thai therapists are the same, no trust gold diggers and they are good at this game. Professionals.

The BAIT.

Found a pretty, happy, friendly Thai MT, gave a decent massage with a HE. No FS. So good went to visit on a weekly schedule. Tipping more each time hoping for more.

SET THE HOOK.

Started getting text messages, " I miss you, please come, not too busy".

Then, " come early 11 am or 12 pm please". Me, DUMBASSS " OK".

Get the regular Rub and Tug, but still no pussy. Excuse, not clean, need to shave, or red river. After I get she hungry so can we go lunch. Me DUMBASS. "OK".

None of this food court, fast food but upscale AC sit inside and relax restaurants. She did have her own car which we used so nobody I knew, knew. Still no pussy. It's me who's paying all the way. Felt good hanging out with a cute girl like having arm candy.

REELING ME IN.

THEN, more "please can I come pick you up early, not busy". Me "OK" .

Lunch, then we go cruise, in her car, Aiea, Kapolei, pearlridge, AlaMoana shopping centers. Different days. I had to drag her past the jewelry and purse stores but finally gave in at the Victoria lingerie store. Dropped some $$. Drops me off at my place, won't spend the night, said got to get up early for work. Expensive day. Still no pussy.

Now I get the latest texted message. :"I have to find a job to make money, so if you can help me with expenses, $300/ day, not counting food or gas. "I can be good company, great driver, entertainer, make you happy. " WTF!.

I cut the line. No more BS.

So just warning my brothers, DON'T BE A DUMBASS LIKE ME![/QUOTE]Had a strong sex vibe from one Thai even though I'm not a FS kinda guy. Told me she only did that for long time customer, more than eight months. Some guy was probably eating her out regularly. Waisting my time showing me pictures of necklaces and she was boring af.

But I know to never play the long game. Came the next time, told her to take off her cloths and bend over as I got out my condom. She said she was tired. Never went back to her boring ass.

The only time you should play the long game is if these conditions are met:

Fully legit establishment.

Fully legit therapist.

You are getting fully legit massage only.

Had one young pretty girl with huge breasts and nice body at a legit spa take one look at me and left the room. They sent a different girl, a girl that had massaged me before and denied rather ambiguous advances. I asked the girls name and why she left. Next time I ask for her by name and I see her peeking around the corner. She stood so far back her fingers tips barely reached me. She told me that some guy tried to touch her and that's why she left and that it happens often. Three weeks later we were going at it in my small as car.

Never play the long game.

You have to set firm limits.

Decide what you want--FS, legit massage with HE, whatever--and if she refuses to give it to you the first time, just smile, walk away, and delete her number. We need to stop trying to stop giving these girls 100 chances in the hopes that "she'll start to feel comfortable. " That's bullshit. You're not her teacher. You're here to get a service. If she can't do it now, you have no reason to be here now.

When you start getting "Hey how you doing?" text ignore those. That's GF stuff. Its outside the bounds of your business relationship, you're under no obligation to respond, delete and keep it moving.

Part of what we pay for is the discretion and diposability of the connection. (The downside of dating/GFs is that you usually don't have those things). The moment thst connection becomes burdensome or even just not meeting your goals, firmly dispose of it. Don't be violent or cruel or anything like that, just smile and walk or delete her number.

Everyone gets played. It sucks, but just be grateful you didn't get her pregnant or get tied to her in any way. Lesson learned. You'll be stronger for it.

[QUOTE=NevaEnuf;6008732]My fault because I'm a fugugly Dumbass, so I'm warning all you other Dumbasses like me. ! All the Thai shops and thai therapists are the same, no trust gold diggers and they are good at this game. Professionals.

The BAIT.

Found a pretty, happy, friendly Thai MT, gave a decent massage with a HE. No FS. So good went to visit on a weekly schedule. Tipping more each time hoping for more.

SET THE HOOK.

Started getting text messages, " I miss you, please come, not too busy".

Then, " come early 11 am or 12 pm please". Me, DUMBASSS " OK".

Get the regular Rub and Tug, but still no pussy. Excuse, not clean, need to shave, or red river. After I get she hungry so can we go lunch. Me DUMBASS. "OK".

None of this food court, fast food but upscale AC sit inside and relax restaurants. She did have her own car which we used so nobody I knew, knew. Still no pussy. It's me who's paying all the way. Felt good hanging out with a cute girl like having arm candy.

REELING ME IN.

THEN, more "please can I come pick you up early, not busy". Me "OK" .

Lunch, then we go cruise, in her car, Aiea, Kapolei, pearlridge, AlaMoana shopping centers. Different days. I had to drag her past the jewelry and purse stores but finally gave in at the Victoria lingerie store. Dropped some $$. Drops me off at my place, won't spend the night, said got to get up early for work. Expensive day. Still no pussy.

Now I get the latest texted message. :"I have to find a job to make money, so if you can help me with expenses, $300/ day, not counting food or gas. "I can be good company, great driver, entertainer, make you happy. " WTF!.

I cut the line. No more BS.

So just warning my brothers, DON'T BE A DUMBASS LIKE ME![/QUOTE]

Yaya Spa go see Vicki, I have seen her quite a few times. Love this girl.

[QUOTE=WickedTuna;6008669]Where are your go to legit massage places? I found Eden and Blue Hawaii to be pretty good for me.[/QUOTE]

Hey Neva, Do you want to be a sugar daddy? This sounds like that type of relationship. 😉 But seriously, I think the key is when you said "you were hoping for more. " There are some mongers who also do this in hopes of finding a gem or maybe they just like to chase in hopes of finding the one. Sometimes feeling and emotions get involved and that's fine. We're all human after all. But keep in mind this is a business for most of these ladies (there are exceptions). Their only job is to provide a service and extract the most out of mongers for that service. So mongers have to do the same and keep this business-like mentality. If a monger keeps this in mind and takes the emotions (and junior) out of the equation before or after the main event then you have a better chance of spotting these situations.

I generally agree with Bruddahs DeeJohn, Ck, and Honolulu and I think we have similar mindsets. Anyway, you not one dumbass. A dumbass would keep doing this over and over thinking they're going to get something but just leaves with empty pockets. But at least you learned a lesson and that's what's important.

[QUOTE=NevaEnuf;6008732]My fault because I'm a fugugly Dumbass, so I'm warning all you other Dumbasses like me. ! All the Thai shops and thai therapists are the same, no trust gold diggers and they are good at this game. Professionals.

The BAIT.

Found a pretty, happy, friendly Thai MT, gave a decent massage with a HE. No FS. So good went to visit on a weekly schedule. Tipping more each time hoping for more.

SET THE HOOK.

Started getting text messages, " I miss you, please come, not too busy".

Then, " come early 11 am or 12 pm please". Me, DUMBASSS " OK".

Get the regular Rub and Tug, but still no pussy. Excuse, not clean, need to shave, or red river. After I get she hungry so can we go lunch. Me DUMBASS. "OK".

None of this food court, fast food but upscale AC sit inside and relax restaurants. She did have her own car which we used so nobody I knew, knew. Still no pussy. It's me who's paying all the way. Felt good hanging out with a cute girl like having arm candy.

REELING ME IN.

THEN, more "please can I come pick you up early, not busy". Me "OK" .

Lunch, then we go cruise, in her car, Aiea, Kapolei, pearlridge, AlaMoana shopping centers. Different days. I had to drag her past the jewelry and purse stores but finally gave in at the Victoria lingerie store. Dropped some $$. Drops me off at my place, won't spend the night, said got to get up early for work. Expensive day. Still no pussy.

Now I get the latest texted message. :"I have to find a job to make money, so if you can help me with expenses, $300/ day, not counting food or gas. "I can be good company, great driver, entertainer, make you happy. " WTF!.

I cut the line. No more BS.

So just warning my brothers, DON'T BE A DUMBASS LIKE ME![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DeeJohn808;6009163]You have to set firm limits.

Decide what you want--FS, legit massage with HE, whatever--and if she refuses to give it to you the first time, just smile, walk away, and delete her number. We need to stop trying to stop giving these girls 100 chances in the hopes that "she'll start to feel comfortable. " That's bullshit. You're not her teacher. You're here to get a service. If she can't do it now, you have no reason to be here now.

When you start getting "Hey how you doing?" text ignore those. That's GF stuff. Its outside the bounds of your business relationship, you're under no obligation to respond, delete and keep it moving.

Part of what we pay for is the discretion and diposability of the connection. (The downside of dating/GFs is that you usually don't have those things). The moment thst connection becomes burdensome or even just not meeting your goals, firmly dispose of it. Don't be violent or cruel or anything like that, just smile and walk or delete her number.

Everyone gets played. It sucks, but just be grateful you didn't get her pregnant or get tied to her in any way. Lesson learned. You'll be stronger for it.[/QUOTE]Agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to say these girls are cruel, especially Thais. Had one girl tell me if I can't afford it that's my problem. Asking this guy for $300 a day, before expenses, that's cruel.

Some of these girls are truly sweet and its not even in their character to gauge you but if they don't they just loose. They share information and they learned and they continue united where us trying to be nice guy just actually making it worst. I heard one guy thanking a Thai profusely through the wall and I'm like WTF. This is why they think showing their breast for 5 minutes is worth an extra $100.

If its a place that provide any sexual services and you want something she's not offering, act bothered by it. When they pull that what you want game enthusiastically explain the most wildest thing you can come up with that could be possibly pulled off right then and there in detail and if she says I don't do that, act bothered by it because why tf is she asking what you want then. Don't just be played, play back, I bet you will get a better HJ and massage if you even want it. And they aren't skilled or beautiful enough to be worth the 500 - 1500 or more they want for your fantasy. AND they got to save it for the guys who are paying that price.

[QUOTE=Agian;6009158]Had one young pretty girl with huge breasts and nice body at a legit spa take one look at me and left the room. They sent a different girl, a girl that had massaged me before and denied rather ambiguous advances. I asked the girls name and why she left. Next time I ask for her by name and I see her peeking around the corner. She stood so far back her fingers tips barely reached me. She told me that some guy tried to touch her and that's why she left and that it happens often. Three weeks later we were going at it in my small as car.

Never play the long game.[/QUOTE]Just remember that at this time I was protesting starting face down so when she me face up she just bolted.

[QUOTE=NevaEnuf;6008732]My fault because I'm a fugugly Dumbass, so I'm warning all you other Dumbasses like me. ! All the Thai shops and thai therapists are the same, no trust gold diggers and they are good at this game. Professionals.

The BAIT.

Found a pretty, happy, friendly Thai MT, gave a decent massage with a HE. No FS. So good went to visit on a weekly schedule. Tipping more each time hoping for more.

SET THE HOOK.

Started getting text messages, " I miss you, please come, not too busy".

Then, " come early 11 am or 12 pm please". Me, DUMBASSS " OK".

Get the regular Rub and Tug, but still no pussy. Excuse, not clean, need to shave, or red river. After I get she hungry so can we go lunch. Me DUMBASS. "OK".

None of this food court, fast food but upscale AC sit inside and relax restaurants. She did have her own car which we used so nobody I knew, knew. Still no pussy. It's me who's paying all the way. Felt good hanging out with a cute girl like having arm candy.

REELING ME IN.

THEN, more "please can I come pick you up early, not busy". Me "OK" .

Lunch, then we go cruise, in her car, Aiea, Kapolei, pearlridge, AlaMoana shopping centers. Different days. I had to drag her past the jewelry and purse stores but finally gave in at the Victoria lingerie store. Dropped some $$. Drops me off at my place, won't spend the night, said got to get up early for work. Expensive day. Still no pussy.

Now I get the latest texted message. :"I have to find a job to make money, so if you can help me with expenses, $300/ day, not counting food or gas. "I can be good company, great driver, entertainer, make you happy. " WTF!.

I cut the line. No more BS.

So just warning my brothers, DON'T BE A DUMBASS LIKE ME![/QUOTE]Always sad to hear stories like this, yet it is happening all the time. Have several friends that live in Thailand and unfortunately, this story is a common tale. These women talk and coach each other when they have a potential victim on "the hook". As men, we enjoy the pursuit, and we get confused. We think we are fishing, instead the opposite is true. When the decision that the end game is not worth it, need to "cut bait". Sad to hear that you did not at least get close the deal. Good call on ending things.

Had a friend in Thailand that "dated" a 21 year old stunner. She claimed to be living with her Mom and could not stay overnight with him. They would go out for food or she would come over early in the night and hang with him. This went on for a couple years along with him paying her rent and some spending money every month. There were a few health issues for her and the Mom that she extracted extra money for him to pay for. Her final play was that her Mom was very ill and in the hospital and she needed money or the Mom could die. She explained that she had to return to the home town in Isaan and Mom was in hospital there. My friend, a concerned boyfriend got a car and traveled several hours to the home town in Isaan, only to find that the hospital had no such patient. Upon further research, he learned that he was paying rent for a nice apartment for the "girlfriend" to live with her boyfriend. Oops. This girl was so convincing with her lies and he was getting what he wanted sexually, so he did not dig any deeper. Everyone needs to be a bit wary of situations like this.

Thanks for sharing this tough lesson. Hopefully it will help others.

Aloha,

CS.

[QUOTE=FookMe;6009266]But at least you learned a lesson and that's what's important.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's a learning process. All of us have at some point made mistakes, but recognizing and analyzing those mistakes, learning from them, and not repeating them in the future is what's most important.

[QUOTE=Agian;6009945]Agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to say these girls are cruel, especially Thais. Had one girl tell me if I can't afford it that's my problem. Asking this guy for $300 a day, before expenses, that's cruel.

Some of these girls are truly sweet and its not even in their character to gauge you but if they don't they just loose. They share information and they learned and they continue united where us trying to be nice guy just actually making it worst. I heard one guy thanking a Thai profusely through the wall and I'm like WTF. This is why they think showing their breast for 5 minutes is worth an extra $100.

If its a place that provide any sexual services and you want something she's not offering, act bothered by it. When they pull that what you want game enthusiastically explain the most wildest thing you can come up with that could be possibly pulled off right then and there in detail and if she says I don't do that, act bothered by it because why tf is she asking what you want then. Don't just be played, play back, I bet you will get a better HJ and massage if you even want it. And they aren't skilled or beautiful enough to be worth the 500 - 1500 or more they want for your fantasy. AND they got to save it for the guys who are paying that price.[/QUOTE]I hear you man, it's a rarity to find fully honest, honorable Thai girls playing that "innocent" "honorable" Buddhist traditional of "compassion", when in fact its more like take you to the cleaners. Have you ever noticed how each establishment has some sort of ritual temple like structure that has fresh fruit to "honor" their ancestors? All Thai massage places have those, so maybe when some dude gets burned by those Thai MT "happy no ending" tease short of $$ that he could have gotten at the AMP, instead of complaining on this forum, he should whip out his Johnston and pee in that ancestoral housing. Bet that'll piss them off and get them thinking why their deceased ancestor deserve such "services" and have no one else to blame but themselves.

Has anyone tried this provider yet?

[URL]https://honolulu.bedpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/barbers-point/22512190.html[/URL]

It's US. Seriously the majority of us on here know these Thai places are rip off girls wanting 200 just to get naked and do shit while we can get Lemon or Nicole for 200 and we all know Lemon and Nicole is 100% Better than any Thai girl. So the question is why are we still going here then complaining about it? I for one have boycotted all Thai places and if I do want to go I only expect a good massage that's it.