They are strictly legit but they turn over more than any place I know, went in last night and a whole new staff and now they have a guy as one of them. Unfortunately the new staff does not offer the same quality, older and less energy.
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They are strictly legit but they turn over more than any place I know, went in last night and a whole new staff and now they have a guy as one of them. Unfortunately the new staff does not offer the same quality, older and less energy.
[QUOTE=XHippie;3602538]Yep been there haven't seen Jenny but did get Happy with Happy she's experienced but would have been better if she was a decade younger, experience does make up for it though. Strictly Rub & Tug menu.[/QUOTE]It would be better if they were a quarter century younger and even at that many would be approaching 30.
[QUOTE=Pubb69;3603374]It would be better if they were a quarter century younger and even at that many would be approaching 30.[/QUOTE]Hahaha Ouch! I was cutting her some slack but you are right 25 years would help. I didn't mention it and it didn't matter cause she didn't bob the rod but the day I went she had a fresh fever blister or something near her mouth. Bless her heart she gave the tug all she had, it wasn't that bad for her age. Sometimes the older ones are a lot more fun than the younger ones. Anyone that ever got molested by the mature and well trained Wendy at Studio Salon knows what I mean.
Getting tougher and tougher to find AMP talent under 45 in this area. Missing crazy Linda.
Stay safe.
Med.
[QUOTE=Pubb69;3603374]It would be better if they were a quarter century younger and even at that many would be approaching 30.[/QUOTE]
Anyone try the new Asian place near spectrum in Cary?
[QUOTE=Pubb69;3606292]Anyone try the new Asian place near spectrum in Cary?[/QUOTE]They appear Asian in nature but are closed before 8 pm which isn't typical for AMP. I was going to try to get info but.
Visited recently had not been there since they originally opened. Same VIP service, would repeat if in the area, standard tip as you would expect in this area for the service provided but you may need to negotiate down a little they always throw out a high number in case you are thinking with the little head (stay firm they will come down to the normal rate) No need for names their looks and service doesn't vary that much. Half hour would do the trick but an hour seems a little more relaxed for both.
Anyone hit up 0011 lately? From the ads its new management again and they're posting similar to other actual are&t's. PM if anyone knows.
[QUOTE=TheShredSter66;3615851]Anyone hit up 0011 lately? From the ads its new management again and they're posting similar to other actual are&t's. PM if anyone knows.[/QUOTE]I don't know man that place has been like moth balls in storage. It would be nice if new management put some spark back into the area since Westgate, ATSU and all the rest closed. The one time investors that were willing to put up the cash for the fun stores have been scared off to other states. If it is new management not to be a Debbie Downer it's probably another batch of the same old shit. BUT! You never know! It's a good question though.
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Thanks to all the veterans out there for your service God Bless You and your Family.
Who is Meghan Carton and Rochelle Keyhan? They are two women from the Polaris Project's End Trafficking in Illicit Massage Businesses (IMBs) Initiative. They go around the country to educate LE and politicians about the "Ilicit" Massage Parlors and how they are a front human trafficking and the exploitation of women.
[URL]https://polarisproject.org/initiatives/illicit-massage-businesses[/URL]
Now, WRAL seems to be the local news agency that continuously puts out new articles about massage parlors and I quote, "WRAL Investigates found cases where people were charged with practicing without a license and promoting prostitution" and "WRAL Investigates went through years of board cases and found links between other Triangle area parlors". WRAL also said, "You won't find their reviews on websites like Yelp, but one site offers an AMP list which stands for Asian Massage Parlors where they're rated on how easy it is to get sexual favors".
What is my point? Why make it easy for (1) LE, the (2) North Carolina Board of Massage and Bodywork Therapy, (3) WRAL and (4) activists, like Polaris. I'm all for turning over an AMP owner who is physically holding women against their will or is holding something over their head where a women feels she has no choice but to work in a parlor. However, if an Asian woman, of her own free will, chooses to do massage work in an AMP then that is her business. Massage licensing IMO should be for individuals in the medical community who provide a treatment and not for those individuals who are providing a relaxation service. IMO it would be well advised not to provide too much details in your posts. I can't say what specifically you should or should not say however, some of the details I read plays right into the hands of the Big 4 and their use of the phrase "Human Trafficking". HELP MEMBERS you trust in PM's, but DO NOT help the Big 4 scare or possibly close the door on your favorite massage parlor over suspicions of human trafficking. The Big 4 like to use the phrase "Human Trafficking" because it generates sympathy and they will get immediate support from the community with little to no questions asked. Suspicions are not facts just like a car with a New York license plate picking up women at their residence and taking them to work is not a sign of human trafficking, but this is the type of stuff that activists and the media use to twist public perception that there must be some illicit activity happening behind the scenes. Members just be smart in what you put into a public post and how you respond to certain blunt questions in posts or PM's because it can be used to flame that negative perception that activists and the media are trying to portray on AMP's.
[QUOTE=Purple45;3618335]Who is Meghan Carton and Rochelle Keyhan? They are two women from the Polaris Project's End Trafficking in Illicit Massage Businesses (IMBs) Initiative. They go around the country to educate LE and politicians about the "Ilicit" Massage Parlors and how they are a front human trafficking and the exploitation of women.
[URL]https://polarisproject.org/initiatives/illicit-massage-businesses[/URL]
Now, WRAL seems to be the local news agency that continuously puts out new articles about massage parlors and I quote, "WRAL Investigates found cases where people were charged with practicing without a license and promoting prostitution" and "WRAL Investigates went through years of board cases and found links between other Triangle area parlors". WRAL also said, "You won't find their reviews on websites like Yelp, but one site offers an AMP list which stands for Asian Massage Parlors where they're rated on how easy it is to get sexual favors".
What is my point? Why make it easy for (1) LE, the (2) North Carolina Board of Massage and Bodywork Therapy, (3) WRAL and (4) activists, like Polaris. I'm all for turning over an AMP owner who is physically holding women against their will or is holding something over their head where a women feels she has no choice but to work in a parlor. However, if an Asian woman, of her own free will, chooses to do massage work in an AMP then that is her business. Massage licensing IMO should be for individuals in the medical community who provide a treatment and not for those individuals who are providing a relaxation service. IMO it would be well advised not to provide too much details in your posts. I can't say what specifically you should or should not say however, some of the details I read plays right into the hands of the Big 4 and their use of the phrase "Human Trafficking". HELP MEMBERS you trust in PM's, but DO NOT help the Big 4 scare or possibly close the door on your favorite massage parlor over suspicions of human trafficking. The Big 4 like to use the phrase "Human Trafficking" because it generates sympathy and they will get immediate support from the community with little to no questions asked. Suspicions are not facts just like a car with a New York license plate picking up women at their residence and taking them to work is not a sign of human trafficking, but this is the type of stuff that activists and the media use to twist public perception that there must be some illicit activity happening behind the scenes. Members just be smart in what you put into a public post and how you respond to certain blunt questions in posts or PM's because it can be used to flame that negative perception that activists and the media are trying to portray on AMP's.[/QUOTE]I'll give my opinion and personal experience which is a little insightful because my girl friend has been in the business for awhile, just a snipit of info I'm dumb but I'm not stupid. First of all based on what I know and read AMERICAN girls are more likely to be slaves to their employers or pimps because AMERICAN girls in this business have a high risk of becoming drug addicts not all but the % is high. Have you ever seen one of these Asian girls that had a crack or heroine addiction? The TRUTH is these girls leave China with 3 situations, 1. They either speak English or not. 2. They pay their own way or borrowed money to get here. 3. They already know where they will work and sleep when they get off the plane. OK now they are here in NY or LA with cash in their pocket and speak English. OR NOT! So what do they do? I can tell you they have 2 options in their favor. 99.9% leave China with a IPhone. This phone is their survival tool to have access to Chinese web sites that list jobs all over the country. And it also connects them to family and friends back home and here but more importantly to other ladies here in the business. They have access to lawyers; banks medical service that speak Chinese that is not an issue. Doesn't matter if these are street smart city girls or girls from the country side, these girls know how to network. Now another HUGE asset to have and the younger girls usually have it because it's part of the current school requirement is to speak English even if a little. This makes them more marketable and they can get an American to help them. Some of these girls that give you hand jobs that you think can't speak English are not showing you all their cards especially if they are 30 or younger. They don't know who you are; you could be a cop or someone from immigration they ain't stupid they are in survival mode to stay here. So these girls are not sex slaves as portrayed by the media. Are there certain girls in NY or wherever trapped? I'm sure, anything's possible even these girls make stupid decisions to get up with really bad people. But should the AMP business be painted with a wide brush as a sex slave business I don't think so. If this was the case word would get back to China very quick to the girls thinking about coming here. In fact the opposite is happening. They are hearing they can make as much in one week here as they can make in a month there, and they do! The media and the organizations Purple45 mentioned and prejudice shit heads at the Massage Board are going after the wrong girls. At night the Chinese girls close the stores doors eat a hot meal take a hot shower count their cash they made for the day get in a warm bed then FaceTime with their family then go to sleep. Meanwhile there's girls standing out on the Streets in Raleigh, Durham, Fayetteville etc. On a hot humid summer night or in the cold sucking and fucking for their crack and heroine fix and most of the time getting the shit beat out of them if their pimp doesn't get his cut. So the question is who's the sex slave here? Is the media and the watch dog organizations targeting the right problem? And the Massage Board has become so prejudice toward Asians it's put them in the bigot category. The Asian girls are being targeted for supplying what an American is demanding meanwhile American girls are not being considered in these concerned organizations. To Purples point about posting info, I agree posting details can contribute to certain girls or places getting targeted for a bust which would also apply to the BP girls. I remember getting "corrected" by A2 one time saying don't ever make a post telling members what they should or should not post revealing too many deatails, this is an open pussy Board I'm a member not one that sets the rules. OK got it! Theres the open board and PM for a reason. So to sum up my thoughts which are 99.9%of these Asian girls are free to go where they wish. The media; watch dogs and Massage Board are going to keep doing their thing because it's their job. The latest in the news is the big bust of the century in NC involving possible human trafficking & prostitution Eros, tip of the iceberg bla bla bla. Come on it's American guys looking for pussy that they ain't getting at home LOL. As I started out by saying if there was a Asian human trafficking problem my girlfriend and I would have had many discussions about it. And you swinging dicks out there that are reading this that have or have had relationships with one of these girls know the same. The reality is they are here for 2 reasons get cash and get that green card anyway possible. There's a lot of smoke and bullshit then there's reality and facts. So if anything else LE or the helpful watch dogs reading this may learn something see you in Church! My 2 cents.
Was at Crabtree today and saw a girl with perfect tits buldging out of her low cut shirt. I could be wrong but I swear it looked exactly like the girl that gets discussed here every once in awhile. White girl with a perfect rack that does massage only and gets angry if you ask for extras. The one we complain about saying, well if she doesn't do any extra's why does she dress like that and advertise on BP. That girl. I swear it was her, doesn't matter those were some perfect tits I saw today. Made the hassle of parking worth it. Piss her off or not I'd still ask if I could nurse on them bad boys, you never know might get lucky maybe the boyfriend is out of town.
Recently went by to see a familiar face that leaves for awhile but always comes back. Poor English but always Dependable and a sweet personality. Hey wait Am I the only one posting here? No other post in a week on the Massage Board. Sign of the times in RTP fellas.
Just haven't had anything in the area to dream about. Bored by the girls at my regular place, not going to pay VIP prices, I do love Familiar Faces's dress, but she just doesn't do it for me. Sign of the times.
Med.
[QUOTE=XHippie;3622619]Recently went by to see a familiar face that leaves for awhile but always comes back. Poor English but always Dependable and a sweet personality. Hey wait Am I the only one posting here? No other post in a week on the Massage Board. Sign of the times in RTP fellas.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MedJohnson;3622730]Just haven't had anything in the area to dream about. Bored by the girls at my regular place, not going to pay VIP prices, I do love Familiar Faces's dress, but she just doesn't do it for me. Sign of the times.
Med.[/QUOTE]I think everyone on here feels the same way. To much heat and afraid our go to spots are going to get paid a visit by Uncle LEO. I was never a good writer anyway just short and sweet Def sign of the times in Raleigh area.
So what is the latest on this place? It's been up on BP for a while. [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/be-choosy-ladies-touch-massage-services/46596393[/URL] I thought someone a while back visited. PM ok.
[QUOTE=Editit;3622793]So what is the latest on this place? It's been up on BP for a while. [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/be-choosy-ladies-touch-massage-services/46596393[/URL] I thought someone a while back visited. PM ok.[/QUOTE]I'd like to know, too. PM is fine.
[QUOTE=MedJohnson;3622730]Just haven't had anything in the area to dream about. Bored by the girls at my regular place, not going to pay VIP prices, I do love Familiar Faces's dress, but she just doesn't do it for me. Sign of the times.
Med.[/QUOTE]Yep, this area has come full circle. We are back to the days when one would hope to get lucky with a lady under 50 at Super Relax remember those stores? Think I'll look at a new hobby around here, bowling looks easy and cheaper.
I don't post here much, but lurk often. I find it frustrating that theses AP ad's always mention their new young girls, yet when I go to visit. You never get one! Does the Asian culture have a skewed definition of "young"? Or maybe I go at the wrong times? Wrong places? I do like that for the most part the massage, at least for me, is a small step up from the notel posters. Maybe just the fact that its on an actual massage table? Or the before / after shower? Or if my snoopy wife checks my location its typically in a strip mall with some type of food place I was "at". IDK. I keep telling myself this time I will get a younger girl, under 30, but never do. Does anyone here ever get the younger providers? Or has it just become a thing that they post to lure the hopeful and no we won't walk away. Is it ok to ask the first one to walk out if there is a younger girl working? I don't want to come off rude or anything. Maybe I need to switch up the ones I visit close to my office? RTP area. Any suggestions are welcome, or if you have an insight and rather PM me that works also.
Also, my last visit to the one on 55 by Sara's Empanadas. The lady I got mid 40's of course, said $80 for some under the shirt play. I assume this included the assumed standard tip of $40, but seriously? I'm not going to pay an extra $40 just to rub some small bumps under a shirt. Needless to say I declined politefully, and probably won't go back again unless there is a personnel change.
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[QUOTE=XHippie;3622898]Yep, this area has come full circle. We are back to the days when one would hope to get lucky with a lady under 50 at Super Relax remember those stores? Think I'll look at a new hobby around here, bowling looks easy and cheaper.[/QUOTE]Bowling? Seriously? Have you been lately? I think our hobby might be cheaper. At at least a push! LOL.
Zen massage in knightdale busted for human trafficking.
[URL]http://www.wral.com/woman-charged-with-human-trafficking-at-knightdale-massage-parlor/17121976/[/URL]
[QUOTE=SpoonSports83;3624278]Zen massage in knightdale busted for human trafficking.
[URL]http://www.wral.com/woman-charged-with-human-trafficking-at-knightdale-massage-parlor/17121976/[/URL][/QUOTE]Also on 11/15 two arrests at number 11 for PRACTICING MASSAGE THERAPY W / O LIC 90-634 (A)(A).
[QUOTE=SpoonSports83;3624278]Zen massage in knightdale busted for human trafficking.
[URL]http://www.wral.com/woman-charged-with-human-trafficking-at-knightdale-massage-parlor/17121976/[/URL][/QUOTE]I guess the world is a bit safer now. I find it hard to believe it was actually human trafficking, but anything is possible I guess.
[QUOTE=XHippie;3622619] No other post in a week on the Massage Board.[/QUOTE]I finally finished reading Purple45's post and your response. For a moment, I thought we ran out of discussion board space!
[QUOTE=Ronnor;3624467]I finally finished reading Purple45's post and your response. For a moment, I thought we ran out of discussion board space![/QUOTE]Hahaha the gift for gab. That ain't nothing you should hear me in person.
Makes you want to say. Why Don't you Just Shut Your Yapper!
[QUOTE=SpoonSports83;3624278]Zen massage in knightdale busted for human trafficking.
[URL]http://www.wral.com/woman-charged-with-human-trafficking-at-knightdale-massage-parlor/17121976/[/URL][/QUOTE]I tried to warn people about uncle lurking in the bushes literally.
[QUOTE=SpoonSports83;3624278]Zen massage in knightdale busted for human trafficking.
[URL]http://www.wral.com/woman-charged-with-human-trafficking-at-knightdale-massage-parlor/17121976/[/URL][/QUOTE]Nobody knows the facts on this case yet but the NC Massage Board is on a mission to shut down Asian Massage Parlors. Charles Wilkins, general counsel of the North Carolina Board of Massage and Bodywork Therapy believes and I quote, "Massage parlors have been a haven for human trafficking across North Carolina" and "This is a big problem, and this is a big problem in North Carolina". It's also interesting that the Knightdale Police Chief almost seem to discredit my statement when he said, "We cannot condition ourselves to believe it is harmless or that the girls and young women working in these illegal establishments are there by choice". It's probably coincidence that this LE Raid happened soon after the recent posts on this Forum but the timing makes you wonder if they could be trying to send us a message. I'm all for turning in individuals who participate in human trafficking however this is all about money when it comes down to it. AMPs take away money from the North Carolina Massage and Bodywork Therapy and they take away money from other businesses that perform massage as a therapy service. Human trafficking is the term that's being used but the real truth is about the almighty dollar that they are not putting in their pockets!
Members of The Forum I ask you to evaluate the local situation and once again consider the content your post before you upload the report to the Forum. Remember that your post can help members and it could help those organizations who want to target the massage parlor you visit. Please post and tell us where the good massages are to be had but utilize the private messages for certain details.
[QUOTE=Purple45;3624602]Nobody knows the facts on this case yet but the NC Massage Board is on a mission to shut down Asian Massage Parlors. Charles Wilkins, general counsel of the North Carolina Board of Massage and Bodywork Therapy believes and I quote, "Massage parlors have been a haven for human trafficking across North Carolina" and "This is a big problem, and this is a big problem in North Carolina". It's also interesting that the Knightdale Police Chief almost seem to discredit my statement when he said, "We cannot condition ourselves to believe it is harmless or that the girls and young women working in these illegal establishments are there by choice". It's probably coincidence that this LE Raid happened soon after the recent posts on this Forum but the timing makes you wonder if they could be trying to send us a message. I'm all for turning in individuals who participate in human trafficking however this is all about money when it comes down to it. AMPs take away money from the North Carolina Massage and Bodywork Therapy and they take away money from other businesses that perform massage as a therapy service. Human trafficking is the term that's being used but the real truth is about the almighty dollar that they are not putting in their pockets!
Members of The Forum I ask you to evaluate the local situation and once again consider the content your post before you upload the report to the Forum. Remember that your post can help members and it could help those organizations who want to target the massage parlor you visit. Please post and tell us where the good massages are to be had but utilize the private messages for certain details.[/QUOTE]I've been to the massage board meetings in the past they hold once a month, it's open to the public. Just look around the room. Asians are enemy number one. The people cleaning the massage boards offices at night and doing lawn service in their snobby neighborhoods are more likely victims of human trafficking bunch of educated dumb fucks milking tax payers. NC Massage Board a Government funded and run agency nuff said and Chuck the lawyer is milking it too Guess he can't cut it in court anymore. Oh hell yea this area is way different that other areas. Are your post being read proofs in the pudding look around.
50. Both dark last night.
Med.
[QUOTE=SpoonSports83;3624278]Zen massage in knightdale busted for human trafficking.
[URL]http://www.wral.com/woman-charged-with-human-trafficking-at-knightdale-massage-parlor/17121976/[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MedJohnson;3625140]50. Both dark last night.
Med.[/QUOTE]The news articles says that Zen Massage, at 4021 Village Park Drive and a business at 905-A McKnight Drive, which we know as Rainbow Spa, were both searched. The article also says that LE had received complaints about the two businesses for more than a year. Kimberly Lloyd, a hair stylist at Ron Carlos Salon next to Zen Massage told WRAL, "You see older men, younger men coming in and out. You're like, what are they doing down there?" I would have said, "Men are getting a massage!" and "What are older women, younger women coming in and out of Ron Carlos Salon?" IMO nothing more than the usual salon gossip session.
[QUOTE=XHippie;3624725]I've been to the massage board meetings in the past they hold once a month, it's open to the public. Just look around the room. Asians are enemy number one. The people cleaning the massage boards offices at night and doing lawn service in their snobby neighborhoods are more likely victims of human trafficking bunch of educated dumb fucks milking tax payers. NC Massage Board a Government funded and run agency nuff said and Chuck the lawyer is milking it too Guess he can't cut it in court anymore. Oh hell yea this area is way different that other areas. Are your post being read proofs in the pudding look around.[/QUOTE]My suspicion is a lot of money is being poured into the effort by the big chains like Massage Envy.
What are they going to do about the legit Asian places that put 10 times the effort into what they are doing, try to shut them down as well?
[QUOTE=Purple45;3625285]The news articles says that Zen Massage, at 4021 Village Park Drive and a business at 905-A McKnight Drive, which we know as Rainbow Spa, were both searched. The article also says that LE had received complaints about the two businesses for more than a year. Kimberly Lloyd, a hair stylist at Ron Carlos Salon next to Zen Massage told WRAL, "You see older men, younger men coming in and out. You're like, what are they doing down there?" I would have said, "Men are getting a massage!" and "What are older women, younger women coming in and out of Ron Carlos Salon?" IMO nothing more than the usual salon gossip session.[/QUOTE]Pure jealousy, she has no business so she complains about the people that do. In some ways it is prejudice because they simply want these people out. Not buying the human trafficking either as it simply does not happen at these places. If they do not work long hours will they lose their jobs? Yes. Will they lose their support in the USA And have to go back to Asia? Probably. Are they being forced to do something they don't want to do? I have never seen one instance of it, they came here willingly to make money and in most cases send it back home to support their families.
[QUOTE=Pubb69;3625644]Not buying the human trafficking either as it simply does not happen at these places. If they do not work long hours will they lose their jobs? Yes. Will they lose their support in the USA And have to go back to Asia? Probably.[/QUOTE]You just described a form of human trafficking.
Now after reading the Federal Law does Human Trafficking (HT) or Sex Trafficking (ST) apply to the cases that we have seen in the RTP area? No because the ladies that I know willing look for a job and they willing come if the owner of the business wants their services. Does long hours equate to HT? No! Does getting a ride from a place of residence to work equate to HT? No! Does a woman who willing gives a HJ equate to ST? No! This scenario could equate to a commercial sex act if she says give me $X amount and I'll perform a HJ. However, if a woman does a HJ for the purpose of complete body relaxation and no money is asked for in return then to me this is not a commercial sex act but a choice between to adults. So, the NC Massage Board and their lawyer, Charles Wilkins, are full of it! Right now they are winning the PR battle. The presiding judge needs to scrutinize LE's requested warrant more carefully and the District Attorney needs to step up and defend these women's rights and not succumb to the bullying of the NC Massage Board and their legal team.
Federal Law
1. Human trafficking, also known as trafficking in persons (TIP), is a modern-day form of slavery. It is a crime under federal and international law; it is also a crime in every state in the United States.
A. Sex trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, obtaining, patronizing, or soliciting of a person for the purposes of a commercial sex act, in which the commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such an act has not attained 18 years of age (22 USC 7102).
B. Labor trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purposes of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery, (22 USC 7102).
Definitions
1. Involuntary servitude: a condition of servitude induced by means of any scheme, plan, or pattern intended to cause a person to believe that, if the person did not enter into or continue in such condition, that person or another person would suffer serious harm or physical restraint; or the abuse or threatened abuse of the legal process (22 USA C. 7102 (6)).
2. Debt Bondage: The status or condition of a debtor arising from a pledge by the debtor of his or her personal services or of those of a person under his or her control as a security for debt, if the value of those services as reasonably assessed is not applied toward the liquidation of the debt or the length and nature of those services are not respectively limited and defined (22 USA C. 7102 (5)).
3. Coercion:
(A) threats of serious harm to or physical restraint against any person;.
(B) any scheme, plan, or pattern intended to cause a person to believe that failure to perform an act would result in serious harm to or physical restraint against any person; or.
(C) the abuse or threatened abuse of the legal process (22 USA C. 7102 (3)).
4. Commercial Sex Act: The term "commercial sex act" means any sex act on account of which anything of value is given to or received by any person (22 USA C. 7102 (4)).
[QUOTE=Ronnor;3625654]You just described a form of human trafficking.[/QUOTE]If your job requires long hours and you refuse and lose your job are you being trafficked?
[QUOTE=Purple45;3625747]Now after reading the Federal Law does Human Trafficking (HT) or Sex Trafficking (ST) apply to the cases that we have seen in the RTP area? No because the ladies that I know willing look for a job and they willing come if the owner of the business wants their services. Does long hours equate to HT? No! Does getting a ride from a place of residence to work equate to HT? No! Does a woman who willing gives a HJ equate to ST? No! This scenario could equate to a commercial sex act if she says give me $X amount and I'll perform a HJ. However, if a woman does a HJ for the purpose of complete body relaxation and no money is asked for in return then to me this is not a commercial sex act but a choice between to adults. So, the NC Massage Board and their lawyer, Charles Wilkins, are full of it! Right now they are winning the PR battle. The presiding judge needs to scrutinize LE's requested warrant more carefully and the District Attorney needs to step up and defend these women's rights and not succumb to the bullying of the NC Massage Board and their legal team.
Federal Law
1. Human trafficking, also known as trafficking in persons (TIP), is a modern-day form of slavery. It is a crime under federal and international law; it is also a crime in every state in the United States.
A. Sex trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, obtaining, patronizing, or soliciting of a person for the purposes of a commercial sex act, in which the commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such an act has not attained 18 years of age (22 USC 7102).
B. Labor trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purposes of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery, (22 USC 7102).
Definitions
1. Involuntary servitude: a condition of servitude induced by means of any scheme, plan, or pattern intended to cause a person to believe that, if the person did not enter into or continue in such condition, that person or another person would suffer serious harm or physical restraint; or the abuse or threatened abuse of the legal process (22 USA C. 7102 (6)).
2. Debt Bondage: The status or condition of a debtor arising from a pledge by the debtor of his or her personal services or of those of a person under his or her control as a security for debt, if the value of those services as reasonably assessed is not applied toward the liquidation of the debt or the length and nature of those services are not respectively limited and defined (22 USA C. 7102 (5)).
3. Coercion:
(A) threats of serious harm to or physical restraint against any person;.
(B) any scheme, plan, or pattern intended to cause a person to believe that failure to perform an act would result in serious harm to or physical restraint against any person; or.
(C) the abuse or threatened abuse of the legal process (22 USA C. 7102 (3)).
4. Commercial Sex Act: The term "commercial sex act" means any sex act on account of which anything of value is given to or received by any person (22 USA C. 7102 (4)).[/QUOTE]When I think of sex / human trafficking I think about an individual sometimes families giving a shit head all their money on the Texas border to get them across in a 150 degree truck usually locked. Or 80 people on a boat made for 10 or a Pimp that controls where his girls sleep, eat, drink, wear, how much they get to keep and what drugs he usually keeps them hooked on while working in the heat and cold. ASIAN girls fly over here on a plane and can work anywhere and for anybody they choose. Do they have to work hard to make cash, do they have to pay rent ah yes so do we. In fact they are more free than Americans they aren't chained to a 401 K and mortgage obligation. They paid the airline for the ticket, it's all legit. It's so easy to throw the human traffic image on the Massage business but it simply isn't true. Have you been trying to figure out what's true or false in our political system or what ANY news channel says? Good luck! The massage board and the news stories are saying human trafficking, well slap me silly the suits said it So it must be true. Hey Martha come here and look at the TV they just said that massage store where you get your nails done is doing human trafficking. I knew them Chinese were up to no good. And that's the way the Massage Board wants public opinion.
I will agree with the massage board and the law that operating without a massage license is a reason to close a store until the workers can get their license. But they have set up a system of such strict English standards it is Impossible for the Asians to get their license. They must pass the TOEFL exam with crazy high scores no matter if they made it through a Board approved massage school, this is their loop hole to run them out of town and it's working. In this cruel and prejudice process the board has become as bad as the dude with the 150 degree truck. In fact this has made MANY Asians that wanted to start their legit massage business with family go the other way. Depending how old you are your grand parents or further back to great grand parents, either started their own business or they worked for someone that couldn't speak perfect English that came here across the big pond and worked their ass off creating a business. Working from 9 in the morning till 11:00 pm then had to clean their store then finally eat something and take a bath and get ready to get up in a few hours and do it again. While usually being ripped off by a landlord charging them too much and too lazy or cheap to take care of repairs, sound like anyone else that's here try to make a business work? This part of our heritage and history called the American Dream which requires a little Mercy is fading each day not saying it's right or wrong but it's happening. My point is these Asians are coming here for the American Dream, get that cash get that green card get that good looking American man to marry. But there are those slapping them in the face with denial and labeling them as being part of human trafficking. Massage Board, LE, Governor, and Nosey business neighbors THEY ARE FREE to go and come as they wish, For God Sake let them have their license to run their business just maybe they will pay some taxes and you can actually get a raise cause there will be more tax revenue. See how we are all connected! Now all of what I just said and Purples explanation may sound like damn it's like reading a fuckin novel "that's the point" the Massage Boards message to the media and their regulations has worked, we are not taking about getting ASIAN pussy!!
Zen.
Missed warning.
A shame. Where to go for a Shiatsu?
Seriously?
Still another place still open, I've seen a pile of mattresses. That seemed more an issue with trafficking.
Who is open that walks on backs?
[QUOTE=John252;3626782]Zen.
Missed warning.
A shame. Where to go for a Shiatsu?
Seriously?
Still another place still open, I've seen a pile of mattresses. That seemed more an issue with trafficking.
Who is open that walks on backs?[/QUOTE]Go to 0007 on Capitol Blvd for The best Chinese back walk she has massage license and is small but strong. It's strictly massage don't expect to be giving or receiving any touching no HE but you will get a great massage.