BBFS Reports

[QUOTE=Lance18;5292776]My experience has been if you treat them like a female who is there for pleasure also (with respect) and go back multiple times BBFS just happens. Especially with number 4 above. My only comment is that I never believe the "I rarely do this" line. If the woman is attractive and still in business at age 30+ that means she has regulars (including me) and we all are getting BBFS. New guys who only see her once or once a year aren't getting it, but the true regulars are.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with most of the advice given so far on this topic. I have one regular where we are BB and have been for years. She's young, sexy as hell and I'm sure has a couple regulars. I know she's not heavy traffic in general but definitely has a couple regular friends. With that said to piggy back on a theory already thrown out. I had an encounter the other day with a "friend" that I've seen maybe 3 times now. Everything has been BBBJ to CFS. The last time we were together she whispered in my ear during CFS mid act that "it would be sexy for me to come in her". That's her words. Now I didn't at the time I finished CFS. But to the point made by a couple guys here it happens organically. I know based on the vibe and her spurt of the moment that if I wanted to we could go BBFS next time. Again she isn't high traffic only has a couple "friends" which she is very open about. So long story longer I know I have that option if I so choose.

[QUOTE=LongDStyle;5292627]Can you or Jinurso recall this strategy working on girls that advertise that bb, BBFS, or BBBJ isn't available? Or are you targeting the ones that list themselves as "open minded"?[/QUOTE]I don't recall ever making an appointment with a girl who did advertise BBFS! In fact, some who have given me that experience state publicly that it's not available. As others have said, it's always an organic development. I don't always wait for the BBBJ, I'm happy to start with DATY to let her know I want to make her feel good. That rarely fails in me having a good time. As others have said, if I get BBBJ and DATY then BBFS is very likely to follow. I have never paid an upcharge for it.

Is she still dark? Been trying to see her for ages, but get no respond.

[QUOTE=Jinurso;5292280]Lots of DATY. It isn't a guarantee, but it seems to work for me more often than not.[/QUOTE]I once went to see a provider I'd met off of AFF (yeah, *way* back in the old days) and thought to 'warm her up' I'd do DATY on her. Twice she wrapped her legs around my head and acted like she was going to try breaking my neck, but when it came time for me to have fun, the cover came out and there was no appeal to wearing it. Same thing happened every time I saw her. Meanwhile, I saw a woman at an AMP who like my FIV talents enough that she decided to show her appreciation by 'camel sliding' me. She did about five slide before I slipped inside. She rode it for a minute or so before realizing what she was doing and getting me covered, but it was a nice moment. Bottom line, some women will go with the moment, while others are there for the money and whether they enjoy it is unimportant.

[QUOTE=Sagka;5293027]Is she still dark? Been trying to see her for ages, but get no respond.[/QUOTE]Nope. I saw her last Thursday. She said her listcrawler account was hacked and she tried contacting whoever runs the site to get the issue resolved but she said there's nothing they can do. She has been posting on Eros and Rubratings but she says most of her clients only check Listcrawler so they never see her ads on any of the other sites she posts on and she hasn't seen a lot of her regulars lately.

Thank you all for the tips, I will let you know this weekend. Really appreciate it.

Hi all. So I was unsure on posting this but I think I should to at least make me feel better. Ok I have a background in, let's say, helping people and my background helps me read people quite well. So. I saw Macie about a week ago. I'm going to say what I think and also going to say what she told me.

As far as her. I think she isn't as submissive so much as she's scared / eager to please. Even her set up (the swing, fountain, lights, porn) all that is to please us but also to distract us. Also as many on here and ER site have said she's constantly saying "is this ok" "I'm open to anything" "thank you for trying me" etc. She's literally.

Saying don't be mean or hurt me I'll do just about anything for you.

Now on to what she said. This was info that I didn't try to find out she was more giving me the rundown since I was a new client. She said twice that she does not want to be peed on. Also she said she gets scared when clients make appointment then don't show up. In fact she mentioned being "scared" numerous times. Finally she said (I'm paraphrasing) some guys show up drunk or high and can't perform and then they get mad and it scares me".

Be honest with yourself and if you fit any of these then maybe that's why she's not returning your calls. I thought she was very cute (I didn't like the wig) but once I figured out how her submissiveness is actually fear it kinda makes me feel bad and I probabaly won't repeat. Don't kill the messenger on this one. I'm relaying all I felt I learned but more importantly what she said. I turn off my work instinct in normal life but the signs were just to much. Think about it. Have you even been to a provider with fountains and porn and disco lights and all that shit? Even her price point in my opinion is to make us happy. I know it's a weird dichotomy for her to be in the biz yet be scared of clients but it is what it is. Again these are my observations only. She's a cool girl. But being aggressive with her or drunk etc is pretty much going to guarantee a no call after. Ok peace and be cool.

Thanks for posting. I've seen her numerous times and I agree 100% with your assessment. She has also told me about her fears of the guys that NCNS.

I hope that some guys get the hint and leave her alone.

[QUOTE=Finn13;5293510]Hi all. So I was unsure on posting this but I think I should to at least make me feel better. Ok I have a background in, let's say, helping people and my background helps me read people quite well. So. I saw Macie about a week ago. I'm going to say what I think and also going to say what she told me.

As far as her. I think she isn't as submissive so much as she's scared / eager to please. Even her set up (the swing, fountain, lights, porn) all that is to please us but also to distract us. Also as many on here and ER site have said she's constantly saying "is this ok" "I'm open to anything" "thank you for trying me" etc. She's literally.

Saying don't be mean or hurt me I'll do just about anything for you.

Now on to what she said. This was info that I didn't try to find out she was more giving me the rundown since I was a new client. She said twice that she does not want to be peed on. Also she said she gets scared when clients make appointment then don't show up. In fact she mentioned being "scared" numerous times. Finally she said (I'm paraphrasing) some guys show up drunk or high and can't perform and then they get mad and it scares me".

Be honest with yourself and if you fit any of these then maybe that's why she's not returning your calls. I thought she was very cute (I didn't like the wig) but once I figured out how her submissiveness is actually fear it kinda makes me feel bad and I probabaly won't repeat. Don't kill the messenger on this one. I'm relaying all I felt I learned but more importantly what she said. I turn off my work instinct in normal life but the signs were just to much. Think about it. Have you even been to a provider with fountains and porn and disco lights and all that shit? Even her price point in my opinion is to make us happy. I know it's a weird dichotomy for her to be in the biz yet be scared of clients but it is what it is. Again these are my observations only. She's a cool girl. But being aggressive with her or drunk etc is pretty much going to guarantee a no call after. Ok peace and be cool.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Finn13;5293510]Hi all. So I was unsure on posting this but I think I should to at least make me feel better. Ok I have a background in, let's say, helping people and my background helps me read people quite well. So. I saw Macie about a week ago. I'm going to say what I think and also going to say what she told me.
[/QUOTE]This is a good reminder that the most important thing is always "don't be a douche". Really, it's not hard.

[QUOTE=Chicago41;5293948]This is a good reminder that the most important thing is always "don't be a douche". Really, it's not hard.[/QUOTE]It's a great reminder. We spend a lot of time complaining about women and what they do and don't do, but we forget how many sociopaths make up the clientele they have to deal with. There's a reason some guys seem to always have drama with women here and some never do. At some point I stop looking at the girl and start looking at the guy.

[QUOTE=Finn13;5293510]Hi all. So I was unsure on posting this but I think I should to at least make me feel better. Ok I have a background in, let's say, helping people and my background helps me read people quite well. So. I saw Macie about a week ago. I'm going to say what I think and also going to say what she told me.

As far as her. I think she isn't as submissive so much as she's scared / eager to please. Even her set up (the swing, fountain, lights, porn) all that is to please us but also to distract us. Also as many on here and ER site have said she's constantly saying "is this ok" "I'm open to anything" "thank you for trying me" etc. She's literally.

Saying don't be mean or hurt me I'll do just about anything for you.

Now on to what she said. This was info that I didn't try to find out she was more giving me the rundown since I was a new client. She said twice that she does not want to be peed on. Also she said she gets scared when clients make appointment then don't show up. In fact she mentioned being "scared" numerous times. Finally she said (I'm paraphrasing) some guys show up drunk or high and can't perform and then they get mad and it scares me".

Be honest with yourself and if you fit any of these then maybe that's why she's not returning your calls. I thought she was very cute (I didn't like the wig) but once I figured out how her submissiveness is actually fear it kinda makes me feel bad and I probabaly won't repeat. Don't kill the messenger on this one. I'm relaying all I felt I learned but more importantly what she said. I turn off my work instinct in normal life but the signs were just to much. Think about it. Have you even been to a provider with fountains and porn and disco lights and all that shit? Even her price point in my opinion is to make us happy. I know it's a weird dichotomy for her to be in the biz yet be scared of clients but it is what it is. Again these are my observations only. She's a cool girl. But being aggressive with her or drunk etc is pretty much going to guarantee a no call after. Ok peace and be cool.[/QUOTE]Damn I was going to ask her to give her a golden shower only because I saw on some of her skip the games ads that she was cool with performing the act and also advertises submission in those ads guess I could be wrong even had someone pm here that she does GS but charges extra. Kinda odd on why advertise something and not follow through with it but it's not a big deal.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy1289;5294056]Damn I was going to ask her to give her a golden shower only because I saw on some of her skip the games ads that she was cool with performing the act and also advertises submission in those ads guess I could be wrong even had someone pm here that she does GS but charges extra. Kinda odd on why advertise something and not follow through with it but it's not a big deal.[/QUOTE]With the G Shower aspect and others you need to read carefully and comprehend. There are some that will shower you but not let you shower them. Just like the general list of domination which doesn't really elaborate which person is the Dominant. Many of those on here treat the women ok or better but not all. Treat them well, respectful and it will go quite a ways but I'm not saying to let them walk all over you.

I finally got in touch with Katrina after weeks of trying. I text her in the afternoon, she text me back promptly, and set up an incall appointment in the evening. She told me that she was in Deerfield, and that she would give me the address when I get near. Pretty standard stuff, and she didn't screen or ask for a deposit. It's a bit of a drive for me to get out there, and I text her an hour before I arrive. No reply. I text her again 30 minutes before our appointment time. Silence. I call her 10 minutes before I get there, but she doesn't answer. I never get an address from her, and she never texts or calls me back. I always try to be patient and courteous to girls even when they ghost me because I understand life happens, but this kind of thing has been getting more and more common lately. Even "dependable" girls that I've seen more than 5 times have been unreliable.

Someone mentioned that Macie said she hasn't seen a lot of regulars because her listcrawler ad is gone. I don't think that's why at all. Of the last three times I've tried contact her, she's only responded once. Then, she bailed on me at the last minute because of a family emergency. Again, I get that life happens and I never gave her a hard time, but at a certain point I'm just not going to waste my time contacting her anymore no matter how good her service is. I might end up just switching entirely to agencies or AMPs just to avoid getting ghosted constantly.

[QUOTE=JayKay8;5294667]I finally got in touch with Katrina after weeks of trying. I text her in the afternoon, she text me back promptly, and set up an incall appointment in the evening. She told me that she was in Deerfield, and that she would give me the address when I get near. Pretty standard stuff, and she didn't screen or ask for a deposit. It's a bit of a drive for me to get out there, and I text her an hour before I arrive. No reply. I text her again 30 minutes before our appointment time. Silence. I call her 10 minutes before I get there, but she doesn't answer. I never get an address from her, and she never texts or calls me back.[/QUOTE]Very similar experience with her. The few times I saw Katrina she was great, but the terrible communication / punctuality was frustrating as hell. Pretty sure she showed up like 4 hours late once, although she never ghosted me outright.

[QUOTE=Esidia;4976253]Katrina is tall (5'9" or so), total GFE, has great DFK / BBBJ skills, BBFSCIP. Not sure about Greek.

Cons: smoker, pretty bad with punctuality. Takes forever to reply to texts and will likely be late for the appointment.

Photo with sunglasses is most accurate IMHO: [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/katrina[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveSmallPerky;5294631]With the G Shower aspect and others you need to read carefully and comprehend. There are some that will shower you but not let you shower them. Just like the general list of domination which doesn't really elaborate which person is the Dominant. Many of those on here treat the women ok or better but not all. Treat them well, respectful and it will go quite a ways but I'm not saying to let them walk all over you.[/QUOTE]Her ads advertise both give and receive on the GS and someone also PM that she does as well and as well as being a submissive which points to the clients as dominant. Of course I believe that there should be some sort of boundary and respect during the session that's why it's probably best to talk with the provider of these services pre-session. But obviously it seems that she is having an issue with some clients pushing the boundaries too far.