"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

First post in this thread. I have read this thread occasionally, jealous of you big money superstars. LOL I guess my problem with SD / SB relationship is that I'm short on sugar. Maybe I'm a diabetic sugar daddy (now w / less sugar, LOL) I've tried the escort route and had some great times, but its like seeing your accountant, all business. After reading this thread recently and seeing that guys were seeing SBs for $ a visit plus hotel room or even less in some cases, I thought maybe this is in my price range after all. Maybe there should be a "low sugar" sugar daddy thread.

Anyway, I signed up for SA and sent quite a few emails out. I got quite a few replies. Some of them were all business, as in when can I get access to your bank account and all your $$. 1 girl cut off all contact w / me immediately when she found out I wasn't making several hundred thousand. She asked what I was doing on the SA site. LOL I have 2 SB I have actually dated, SB#1 and SB #2. SB#1 is a local AA college student. She's around 22 and almost stick thin, but has large tits, maybe the's. She's also crazy as hell and possessive. I believe her main plan is to get as much money from me while doing as little as possible. I met her once, she wanted to go right to the hotel. I started off massaging her and ended up with naked massage and mutual oral. It was hot because I hadn't been w / someone that young in a long time who wasn't an escort. I gave her $ and thought that would be our arrangement. She contacted me in a couple of days and wanted to know what her allowance was, since I was her "sugardaddy". She is obviously way more experienced that me in these relationships. I said I was happy w / $ per meet. She said that was an insult and that her past SD had given her $$ per week plus frequent gifts / spending money. I told her that was out of my league, and feel free to find someone else. She contacted me back and said that $/ per week would be fine. What happened was I gave her about $$ in the past 2 weeks w / zero meets. She flaked out both times, including a trip we were going to do on the weekend. I've cut off all contact w / her, but now she's contacting me like crazy. I guess my insulting allowance is missed. I probably won't see her again be / see that would be like poking a poisonous snake. Thank God she lives an hour away, I would hate to have this crazy ***** on my doorstep. I think she has some kind of drug habit be / see of how needy she is.

SB#2 I just started talking to a couple of days ago. I was actually on the weekend trip that SB#1 was supposed to be on. I already paid for the room, so figured I would go. SB#2 is 24, AA and part time model / medical assistant. She is tiny, about 5' and maybe 100 lbs, probably A cups. She has been pleasant to talk to and not overly needy like SB#1. I got back into town last night and made plans to meet her. I was probably not the best smelling from travelling for hours in a car, so I checked into a local budget hotel to freshen up. Plus I figured in case things went well, I would have somewhere to take SB#2. Took SB#2 out to eat and had a very pleasant time getting to know her. She was just crazy hot. Close to a 10 on my scale, although a little skinnier than I like. I actually like a little meat on a woman's bones. I asked if she wanted to come back to the motel for a "massage". I was expecting her to say no, and I knew she had roommates, so going to her house was out of the question. I took her to the hotel and gave her a really nice massage, that ended up w / both of us naked. You guys that don't know how to give a massage should take a class. A good massage will get a woman naked 90% of the time, in my experience. This woman had incredible BJ skills. She jerked me off onto her face. That's a memory I'll have forever. LOL Then I got on top of her w / her face down and hammered her into the bed. She seemed to really enjoy it or just liked yelling "yes" for 20 minutes straight. I gave her 60, which was all the cash I had w / me and took her home. We never talked about an allowance, but I'll probably raise it to $ so she doesn't think I'm overly cheap. We have plans to meet again soon. Appreciate any advice from the gurus here.

Is SB#1 what you guys call a Nando #1?

So I just finished an on-site email exchange with a pot. SB who asked me to clarify what I meant by a "strictly" SD / sb arrangement. I advised it meant I wasn't looking for anything other than a fun, no strings arrangement. She wrote back that she wasn't looking for a sexual relationship, and if that is what I was looking for, I should look for someone else. So instead of taking a minute to think it through, I wrote back that I was, and wished her luck (in a non-sarcastic way). It was tough to refrain from saying something snarky!

Should I have done it differently? Now in hindsight, I am thinking that I should have added something like "if you change your mind" or something to that effect. This seems like a slightly different scenario than where they say "no sex the first time we meet" which seems to be code for "I need to see if I am repulsed by you before I will decide if I will f*ck you". So what is the advice of my more experienced brethren as to women who say "no sex ever" (either on their profile or in an email). This one was hot enough that perhaps some effort could have been worthwhile. Yes, I know there are a ton of other fish. Just curious, and want to maximize my potentials.

Norm!

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2219972]Gents,

On a more positive side, I had a drink date with young gal #3. We met at a nearby furniture store and headed over for drinks. Very pretty girl, shy, obviously new at this. I didn't think she was interested at the end of the date when she offered to split the bill, and then extended her hand when we parted even though I hugged her when we met. But she confirmed her desire to press on via email. Real green I suspect. Unfortunately, she's not opened to meeting at her place. I just let her know that our next date needs to be physical. We'll see how she reacts. She's fun enough to be around, but we're not doing this to meet new friends, right? I'm starting to see why you vets don't waste any time.
[/QUOTE]Had a second date with SB #3. She showed up on time for a massage I booked. I needed it and she had never had one. For lack of a better place, we had a long discussion in my car afterward, parked on the street, not ideal. Great conversation, very smart girl. She was super passive until I suggested that perhaps she's too shy and not cut out for this. She claims not to have had a SD before. That quickly led to a BJ with me fingering her. She's really well put together. So great evening overall. Then this morning I get an email from her that I helped her figure out what she wants and this ain't it. Arrrrggghh. I'm seeing if anything can be done, but that looks done. Go ahead, make fun of the performance.

Back to the drawing board.

SM.

[QUOTE=NormGerd;2222413]So I just finished an on-site email exchange with a pot. SB who asked me to clarify what I meant by a "strictly" SD / sb arrangement. I advised it meant I wasn't looking for anything other than a fun, no strings arrangement. She wrote back that she wasn't looking for a sexual relationship, and if that is what I was looking for, I should look for someone else. So instead of taking a minute to think it through, I wrote back that I was, and wished her luck (in a non-sarcastic way). It was tough to refrain from saying something snarky!
[/QUOTE]When I am on the prowl for SBs, I rarely have time to properly feel these situations out, but a couple of times I have, and found that some of these girls that say they "aren't looking for a sexual relationship" are really saying that they are looking for more or less a boyfriend with high income, in which case they really mean they are trying to weed out the married guys that want a UTR hookup in a hotel room. Then again maybe there is another category of women that really expect money just for showing up at dinner or whatever, or maybe some of them just haven't completely warmed up to the idea. What I would do is just ask her to describe her ideal situation. Ask her point blank "what are you looking for, really". There's also a chance she hasn't really thought about it in enough depth -- she may have just signed up with dreams of being a princess that's showered with money and gifts just for being who she is. Some of these girls have an unrealistically inflated opinion of themselves and what they deserve. Never know until you ask.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2222548]When I am on the prowl for SBs, I rarely have time to properly feel these situations out, but a couple of times I have, and found that some of these girls that say they "aren't looking for a sexual relationship" are really saying that they are looking for more or less a boyfriend with high income, in which case they really mean they are trying to weed out the married guys that want a UTR hookup in a hotel room. Then again maybe there is another category of women that really expect money just for showing up at dinner or whatever, or maybe some of them just haven't completely warmed up to the idea. What I would do is just ask her to describe her ideal situation. Ask her point blank "what are you looking for, really". There's also a chance she hasn't really thought about it in enough depth -- she may have just signed up with dreams of being a princess that's showered with money and gifts just for being who she is. Some of these girls have an unrealistically inflated opinion of themselves and what they deserve. Never know until you ask.[/QUOTE]Terrific suggestion, but impossible to execute since she sent me a nasty reply to my very nice "good luck" email telling me she would not trade sex for "gifts" and then blocked me. What I really think is a number of SDs wrote her offering sex for cash and she took out her anger on me. No great loss, but glad I found out before I spent even a single dime, because I would have bought dinner / drinks and then found out she had no clue what a real Sd / sb arrangement is all about.

Norm!

Met my 44 y / o (I know some you have wisely advised my standards are not up to snuff on the age parameters but this was already arranged so I followed through). I am staying at a nice RCO hotel and she met me there for a drink and then we had a nice dinner at a local pub. She is a newbie (to the SD / SB scene) and was obviously nervous. By the time we walked back to the hotel and up to the room she was opening up. Two hours later I put her in her car and by then I think she was borderline in love. I paid for her valet parking and sent her on her way. No other gift was offered. A very pleasant tryst and in my pre-SD days would be interested in a few more rounds but now I am more interested in some younger talent based on my fellow SD postings. I have one more night here and will meeting a 33 why / o blonde tomorrow night (at least the age trajectory is going in the right direction) to round out my trip. Will report. Happy sugaring!

[QUOTE=NormGerd;2222635]Terrific suggestion, but impossible to execute since she sent me a nasty reply to my very nice "good luck" email telling me she would not trade sex for "gifts" and then blocked me. What I really think is a number of SDs wrote her offering sex for cash and she took out her anger on me. No great loss, but glad I found out before I spent even a single dime, because I would have bought dinner / drinks and then found out she had no clue what a real Sd / sb arrangement is all about.

Norm![/QUOTE]I had an experience today with a girl on SA. Her profile says she is a model type and her financial expectation is High (23 why / o). Her pic is a rear view on the beach in a bikini. Sent her a message saying "Honey, from the waist up you may be model material but from there down not so much. " because her ass is nice but a bit wide for a true model and the proportions of her thighs / knees / calves are more linear than shapely. Told her the financial expectations didn't match up with the look. Her reply was "To be 60, honey you should play nice. You're damn near death. Have a wonderful day!" and then blocked me. First time block but a lifetime of laughs (of course since I am apparently near death perhaps not so many LOL).

[QUOTE=NormGerd;2222635]Terrific suggestion, but impossible to execute since she sent me a nasty reply to my very nice "good luck" email telling me she would not trade sex for "gifts" and then blocked me. What I really think is a number of SDs wrote her offering sex for cash and she took out her anger on me. No great loss, but glad I found out before I spent even a single dime, because I would have bought dinner / drinks and then found out she had no clue what a real Sd / sb arrangement is all about.

Norm![/QUOTE]Impossible to execute with that particular one, because once you say "good luck", it is most likely going to be interpreted as "nice knowing you", even if it was intended with politeness instead of sarcasm. All you can do there is keep it in mind as a future tactic.

She might have been having a tantrum as immature girls often do, but what's amazingly fun and unpredictable about this entire sport is the sheer volatility of women in general -- one minute they can be wagging a fingernail in your face telling you what a greedy self-righteous prick you are, and an hour later be straddling your cock and telling you how they wanted to fuck you the first time they laid eyes on you. Logic does not apply with them. Most of them are turned on by greedy self-righteous pricks, they just don't know it yet.

But in terms of spending a wad on dinner and drinks and coming up with nothing -- it could happen. But think of it a little like going fishing. If you go to a fully stocked pond where there are lots of huge, starved fish that jump out of the water onto your hook before you even get settled, would you go home satisfied? Part of the joy is casting the bait and figuring out what works. Go to Long John Silvers or Captain the's (escorts and UTRS) when you want lots of fish cheap. The rest is all about the joy of the challenge of doing it old school and the thrill of the chase.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2222735]Impossible to execute with that particular one, because once you say "good luck", it is most likely going to be interpreted as "nice knowing you", even if it was intended with politeness instead of sarcasm. All you can do there is keep it in mind as a future tactic.

She might have been having a tantrum as immature girls often do, but what's amazingly fun and unpredictable about this entire sport is the sheer volatility of women in general -- one minute they can be wagging a fingernail in your face telling you what a greedy self-righteous prick you are, and an hour later be straddling your cock and telling you how they wanted to fuck you the first time they laid eyes on you. Logic does not apply with them. Most of them are turned on by greedy self-righteous pricks, they just don't know it yet.

But in terms of spending a wad on dinner and drinks and coming up with nothing -- it could happen. But think of it a little like going fishing. If you go to a fully stocked pond where there are lots of huge, starved fish that jump out of the water onto your hook before you even get settled, would you go home satisfied? Part of the joy is casting the bait and figuring out what works. Go to Long John Silvers or Captain the's (escorts and UTRS) when you want lots of fish cheap. The rest is all about the joy of the challenge of doing it old school and the thrill of the chase.[/QUOTE]I am at this very moment, engaged in a chat with a 22 year old SB that seems to be more Pro than SB. She started off by addressing me as "Hun" , which for me starts the red lights flashing, and then she jumped to the subject of a date right now, tonight. Without any prodding or questions from me she told me everything is on the menu except Anal and BB. Just for fun I ignored her statement about what isn't on the menu and asked how many extra roses for anal, BB and BBFSCIM. She went from "not on the menu" to " $$ extra for those items" in one line of chat. I told her not tonight but perhaps another time and she has quickly said bye and I assume went to the next Man showing as online.

Any one uses this site? I find their search function lacking and how do you identify new babies?

[QUOTE=NormGerd;2222413]So I just finished an on-site email exchange with a pot. SB who asked me to clarify what I meant by a "strictly" SD / sb arrangement. I advised it meant I wasn't looking for anything other than a fun, no strings arrangement. She wrote back that she wasn't looking for a sexual relationship, and if that is what I was looking for, I should look for someone else. So instead of taking a minute to think it through, I wrote back that I was, and wished her luck (in a non-sarcastic way). It was tough to refrain from saying something snarky!

Should I have done it differently? Now in hindsight, I am thinking that I should have added something like "if you change your mind" or something to that effect. This seems like a slightly different scenario than where they say "no sex the first time we meet" which seems to be code for "I need to see if I am repulsed by you before I will decide if I will f*ck you". So what is the advice of my more experienced brethren as to women who say "no sex ever" (either on their profile or in an email). This one was hot enough that perhaps some effort could have been worthwhile. Yes, I know there are a ton of other fish. Just curious, and want to maximize my potentials.

Norm![/QUOTE]I have an alternate theory which I encountered last month. Some of the Newbie SBs do not want to be thought of (or think of themselves) as an escort so they say "no sex" so that we won't demand sex right away. This doesn't necessarily mean that they won't ever give it up-even on that 1st date. As JL said they might be inundated with guys who are looking for a hooker and want to discourage them from bothering her.

A recent M&G with an 18 yr old went that way. We met at an upscale restaurant and were discussing date # 2 which I wanted in the FC. She said that she had to feel comfortable and sex would not happen on date #2 ,but maybe later on if she felt a connection . The only connection I was looking for was a pelvic one . If you have the patience to date these girls a few times and take your time you might get a prized Nooobie. I don't have the time, patience, or money to court for awhile.

And some are just out for free money and never intend to give it up.

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2222732]I had an experience today with a girl on SA. Her profile says she is a model type and her financial expectation is High (23 why / o). Her pic is a rear view on the beach in a bikini. Sent her a message saying "Honey, from the waist up you may be model material but from there down not so much. " because her ass is nice but a bit wide for a true model and the proportions of her thighs / knees / calves are more linear than shapely. Told her the financial expectations didn't match up with the look. Her reply was "To be 60, honey you should play nice. You're damn near death. Have a wonderful day!" and then blocked me. First time block but a lifetime of laughs (of course since I am apparently near death perhaps not so many LOL).[/QUOTE]Sometimes these Babies say preposterous things and we all want to blast them with some insult and say "get real ". It rarely has worked out well for me. My answer is usually "Honey, you look like you should ask more than that but I can only afford X. I'd love to see you if you decide to see a guy who will show you a good time. Sometimes it works, most of the time not.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2223041]Sometimes these Babies say preposterous things and we all want to blast them with some insult and say "get real ". It rarely has worked out well for me. My answer is usually "Honey, you look like you should ask more than that but I can only afford X. I'd love to see you if you decide to see a guy who will show you a good time. Sometimes it works, most of the time not.[/QUOTE]I treat this whole Sb thing like any other type of fast close. I am willing to go to a two call close. If I am not successful I just go the the next one. Next, next, next. And I never say anything negative. Recently I circled around and around to close a very hot UTR and actually wore her down a little and managed to get 2 dates out of her before she just went right back to her upsell and then mia. I realize the bounty is not as great in some areas, but that's the way it is here. And I can't even imagine doing a M&G without the girl already agreeing to my offer.

I can have girl A for $ or girl B for $$$$.

Girl B is obviously hotter and prettier. But 4 times hotter?

I think I,ll go with girl A.

And in bed you can never know till you get there no matter what they say or how they look. My gut tells me girl A will be more open to suggestion and girl B will have some rules. They are both UTR's off SD4M. Now 4 bills is a joke, but most of the super hot UTR's do want $$. Even at $$ I would pass just to stay on budget.

What a day. I started off having a planned date with a NP fetish girl that is very new to the scene. Which are the only ones I am interested in. Anyway due to some logistical issues we decided to take a rain check. First my x "princess" calls saying she wants to stop by and I tell her to just go home cuz I am too busy working. A couple hours after that an NP first timer that lives near me starts texting me and says she wants me to take her to eat for an M&G. Suddenly I realize she has been txting me for about 2 hours, and I am like, hey babe, I am hungry and where the fuck are you? That was it, she went radio silent.

The only other prospects I had were a couple of young girls living at home and far away which would have meant me picking them up, bringing them back to my place and then taking them home. Too much work. All the while I am thinking, tomorrow I have a date with my webcam baby anyway.

So I finally go to dinner about 11 pm alone. As I am eating, this girl I did a M&G with a year ago who has been txting me off and on about once a month suddenly txts me. I have never gone out with her as she is always talking these crazy prices. So I say to her I will give you $ if you want me to come over now. She agrees. I know its a risk but I am so horny from thinking about all these other girls all day that I decide to jet over there.

Anyway, the moment I walk in to her apartment all pretense is dropped. This girl is a jet setting pro. She tells me she has apartments in L.A., Vegas and Miami. She is a solid 8/10/9/8 . 21 years old. And I only give her an 8 in the skills dept. because she refused to fuck me for the $. She had a kick ass body to die for. Insane. This picture does not do her justice. She was perfectly toned and proportioned.

So I took my BJ and left. She worked it so hard I told her they should call this "Fast and Furious". You could say it was a waste of time because I will never see her again. But at least she is off my bucket list. As an FYI... she had a profile on SD4M and came on to me initially as a 9 to 5 working girl that was just a little shy on cash. She was good. I knew she was UTR, but she had me fooled. Super nice girl but far from what we look for on this thread. At least I was only out my $ to find out. Certainly nothing to cry about and a good reason to stay on budget.

More about last night. When I first met this girl she was wearing a very conservative outfit and looked like any other beach cities girl. I remember asking her where we could meet for an FC date and she said she couldn't use her apartment because she didn't take strange guys there. Even after months of txting here and there, she said I had to host the date.

It was obvious why when I entered her apartment and it smelled and looked like a typical pro pad. It smelled like stale sweat and perfume, and there was no furniture except a bed. LOL.

She was a high volume super fine escort trying to play off being a shy SB newbie. Two players trying to play each other, but she won out in the end. I would call her a high end escort as she had that perfect body and well practiced skills, with a somewhat southern demeanor. So in the end I did pay $ for something that most providers would charge about .5 for.

The hunt goes on.

Disappointing Hollywood but how long did you make her bobble to earn a bust? Being a seasoned man yourself you probably made her work up a sweat before you gave it up. I would have made her sprain her neck before letting the big dog run LOL. Hopefully you copped a good feel and explored the goods while she was working it. And of course you filled her mouth with the good seed, or at least messed up her Chanel Suit. These pros really know how to yank it out quickly and get it over with.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2224212]Disappointing Hollywood but how long did you make her bobble to earn a bust? Being a seasoned man yourself you probably made her work up a sweat before you gave it up. I would have made her sprain her neck before letting the big dog run LOL. Hopefully you copped a good feel and explored the goods while she was working it. And of course you filled her mouth with the good seed, or at least messed up her Chanel Suit. These pros really know how to yank it out quickly and get it over with.[/QUOTE]Actually I gave it up fast. Maybe 15 minutes. Once I realized there was no future in it I just wanted to go home. And yeah, her body felt so good. I cut the whole thing short so as not to depress myself anymore than I already was (or let my emotions get carried away and accept her upsell). She was a super girl, with a super hot california hard body, just all business. I guess once she realized her game was blown we had an honest talk about what her real situation was. She knew what I was looking for. I guess she figured something even one time was better than nothing ever. I don't hold it against her. Some pros will provide a GFE experience, but not her. I really was just glad to get her off my list and move on. I am so flooded with choices I dont really care, especially for a $. Spend one of those a week on a new girl and the right one (or two or three) will emerge fast enough.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2222897]Any one uses this site? I find their search function lacking and how do you identify new babies?[/QUOTE]Yep, I've used it and had tons of success. The chat option is sweet, the search sucks!

BigTigg.

Completely unexpected, I'm back in the saddle. My volume will be much lower, but my tactics are still the same.

Current Lineup (body / face / personality / skills).

(old flame) MsBeautiful (AA 25,9/9. 5/8/7) - Twice a week, $50 each visit.

(sd4 me) MsLatinFantasy (Latina 45,7. 5/9/9/8) - No sugar amount negotiated. Once or twice a week. I'm giving $100 per week when we see each other. Very pretty, 45 year old body. Not as passionate as I expected and could not really take a good pounding.

(CL) MsPunkRocker (White 26,6. 8/5/9/6) - No Sugar amount negotiated. As much as I like. I'm giving $100 per visit.

White punk rocker. She has lots of tattoos and piercings, including two in the lips. Sex was good, but something about her personality is not sitting well with me, can't put my finger on it. She's a little chubby, but has a nice butt and boobs.

(sd4 me) MsVegan (AA 25,9/9/9/6) - No sugar amount negotiated. Once or twice a week. I'm giving $100 per week that we see each other. Smoking thick body! Great personality. The sex was not very passionate at all. Kinda laid there, did not kiss, etc. It was the first time and I've talked with her about it, she want to redeem herself.

(WYP) MsCoedCutie (AA 24,9/7. 7/9/9. 5) She's been around a while and if she had her own place and own car, I'd not have any other SBs at all. This one refuses to let me get out the car without a BJ, just to show her appreciation. Even if I just stop by for lunch, drop off funds or whatever. She's great!

Pending.

(Civie -Server, met her at her old job) MsFineBrainiac. AA 20,9/9/9/? Future Doctor, very focused on studies. Only two generic dates. Did not meet her on a site. She just wants a diversion every now an then. Still uncomfortable taking cash, very slow getting to FC. Very pretty. Amazing body.

(sd4 me) MsTallFreaky. AA 43,7. 5/7/9/? - 6'3, big and wide booty, small boobs and a little too much belly. No money required, just wants casual sex. Stated she wants 1 1/2 to 2 hours of sex. I said, I'm not the one, she backed off and said she can work with my time. LOL.

(sd4 m) TheSexArtist. AA 28,8/8. 5/7. 7/? - BDSM singer and musician. She's a poly, uses me as her normal non-bdsm guy. Moved 2 hours away after 2nd meeting. Will taste those goodies soon.

(sd4 me) YoungEnergy AA 24,7.5/8/9/? - Big boobs, great attitude. Wanted exclusivity, I told her no and that I'd move on. She changed her tune. Has a job, does not need money. Wants to do different things and have spending money. I expect the Tiggabounce tomorrow. She does not have her own place.

BigTigg.

What are the four categories being rated in the 5/5/5/5 system.

Thanks,

RB.

[QUOTE=RedBred;2224568]What are the four categories being rated in the 5/5/5/5 system.

Thanks,

RB.[/QUOTE]Take a look at Big Tigger's post immediately before yours.

After a long absence, I just paid a 1 month fee to get back on SA to check things out.

Got 3 POTs confirmed for FC dates.

Pot #1: 19 yr old short little latina with a booty that rival Minaj. Just want a phone bill paid each month.

Pot #2: 20 yr old AA. A freaky coed that just want to be fucked hard and good. Not much talk of sugars.

Pot #3: 24 yr old AA coed that does modeling on the side. This one is tall (5'9) with LONG legs. Asked for 4 $, and negotiated down to 1 $. Sensing some GPS here.

And amazingly, I came down with a terrible cold / flu. So, got to wait till next week. Updates coming soon.

Saw my 100 miles away webcam baby yesterday. I met her about 3 months ago and so far we have had 7 dates. I finally asked her if she had fucked anyone else since she met me and she said no. She is very career minded and doesn't really have time for a BF. So for now she is going to stay exclusive to me. No one is driving 4 hours RT for a $ worth of sugar just for the cash. I wish they made vitamin see for girls. I think she could use a little. But she is a sweet nice girl that thinks I"m all that. I could do worse.

When it was time to do the deed I was a little tired and at half mast. As she has a similar body type to the pro I had the night before I started fantasizing that I was doing it with her instead. Worked like a charm. I banged her till she cried Daddy.

So I continued to txt with the little 19 year old during the week about our upcoming date tonite. As she was a little bit down in the looks dept I started pushing the sex envelope a bit more. Came to find out she wasn't all that high on me forcing a lot of oral on her, so she canceled and I agreed (not that I had much of a choice). I could have just fucked her but decided she wasn"t hot enough to listen to any ideas she might have about what was appropriate for a first date. As luck would have it my MILF txted and said she already got a room and could I join her. Fridays usually suck for trying to test out new girls so off I go for the guaranteed good sex (even if I have hit it over 50 times). She never fails to get me to shake and moan (TMI?) as she follows my script to the letter every single time. A real daddy's girl.

Here is her pic. 5'4" 105. Not bad for 47. With skills to match. Taking her age into consideration she is a 7/9/10/10. She looks about 40 but her body can compete with any girl in her 20"s. I been seeing her 3 years now. I saw her once a month for the first year. Then she went exclusive and I started seeing her a couple times or more a month.

By now I am probably at 50% at reading this Thread. It is nothing short of fascinating.

It goes without saying, it is different from the rest of the Forum. That is mostly concerned with local events and celebrities (I. E. "I saw X. She looks why and does Z for $" This thread here is, really, not very practical. Yes, it is nice to know that Benjamin (and even Ulysses) is still worth something somewhere in the US, but "all market is local". All that matters. If the SB I am currently in negotiations with, thinks a $ is a starting point for a discussion or an insult. My humble guess. While a $ could be a starting (or even a going rate) in some markets, in other places that would be an insult that will net you Nando 1 at best and radio silence at worst.

The other point I thought about it and than (of course, of course!) found it on The Thread. As the Prophet had said, there is nothing new under the sun. It was somewhere around, eh. July last year. Basically the discussion was, is it better to see four "6's" at $ or one "10" at $$.

I am sure one can successfully argue either side of this equation. One question that for me remained unanswered there what if you, by luck or a will of Gods, found yourself a 20 (on a 1-to-10 scale). What do you do? I am not talking about a novice SD here, a fat meek bleeding heart, someone who just got out of a really bad sexless marriage, who cannot believe his luck stumbling on a "flesh buffet", with everything lookin a 10. I am taking about a seasoned cynical monger, a hopeless sex addict, who have seen and done things. It is not really meant to be romantic. We all understand the concept of "sugar for sugar" and that "these things do not last". Regardless, what would you do? Imagine, you already have an SO and a reliable little stable: A Blonde (at $$) and A Redhead (that you now negotiated down to $$ for two meets per week, but you never can make these two meets as you have to meet with the Blonde). If anyone ever was in this situation and, as the Prophet said there is nothing new under the sun what have you done? Your 20 does not know she is a 20 to you, but you do. One solution is to convince yourself she is a just a 10 (or even an 8) and go about business as usual. Not sure, really.

Whenever I see an SB story in the news that I haven't already seen posted elsewhere, I feel obligated to share. I don't find this one particularly entertaining, quite frankly because I don't find the SB attractive at all and even with beer goggles she couldn't pay me to fuck it, so it's a little uninspiring in that sense. But then again the dude is 69 years old and seeing her for 10 years, if that's what he likes then who am I to judge. Maybe she looked different 10 years ago so its all good as long as daddy's happy.

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/09/23/this-is-life-lisa-ling-sugar-clip-2.cnn.html[/URL]

As I watched it, I see a twinkle in Lisa Ling's eye (reporter). I'm not sure if that's because she's already got a site profile or is just thinking about setting one up.

But remember when she was caught spying in North Korea and sentenced to 12 years hard labor, it was Bill Clinton that did what needed to be done, flew over there, saved her from having to look at Kim Jong Ils flaccid member and wonder what to do with it, and escorted her out of the country. I bet Bill left a stain on her dress in the chopper on the way out as payment as he showed her that "hard labor" didn't necessarily need to inconvenience her for too long.

Had MsBrainiac cancel. Settled on MsTallFreak. She was passionate, but. She had some bad teeth in the back causing her breath to stink. I did one good round (3 orgasms for her) and left. She wanted more, but I could not take emotionally.

I have two scheduled for tomorrow, I will cancel one as I had two Thurs, one Fri. Two Sat would be too much.

BigYigg.

[QUOTE=JeanSaulPartre;2225490]By now I am probably at 50% at reading this Thread. It is nothing short of fascinating.

as the Prophet said there is nothing new under the sun what have you done? [/QUOTE]We call the Prophet, HollywoodGuy.

Gents,

I went from not having enough evenings to having nothing on the radar. Strange week. Two girls flaked out on me (I did report on one of them having reading issues). And I got a bunch of "not interested"/ no replies. While those that reached out to me were more than 2 hrs away. Had a bizarre exchange with a local girl where her reply to my message was all smiles and giggles. Whereas her 2nd reply scolded me for using "little play thing" in my answer to what I was looking for. Go figure. Next time I'll say something like "a princess to cherish". Live and learn.

-SM.

While I would never dare to presume what the Prophet might say (Prophets, they work in mysterious ways), my guess he will say what the other one taught us before him: "this, too, will pass". Any woman, once you played with her for a bit, loses her shine and one day, when you look at her, she will be a 20 no more, not even a 10. That will be time to look for a new fun play.

And the Prophet will be right. With that in mind, I should probably not let go off my other keeps and stay cool.

Especially since my SA message box does not yield that many new leads. It is better to keep two birds in hand than one in a Bush.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2225672]We call the Prophet, HollywoodGuy.[/QUOTE]

I thought was her younger sister Laura Ling got caught in and. Korea.

Agreed with the SB. Definitely not that hot IMO.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2225549]Whenever I see an SB story in the news that I haven't already seen posted elsewhere, I feel obligated to share. I don't find this one particularly entertaining, quite frankly because I don't find the SB attractive at all and even with beer goggles she couldn't pay me to fuck it, so it's a little uninspiring in that sense. But then again the dude is 69 years old and seeing her for 10 years, if that's what he likes then who am I to judge. Maybe she looked different 10 years ago so its all good as long as daddy's happy.

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/09/23/this-is-life-lisa-ling-sugar-clip-2.cnn.html[/URL]

As I watched it, I see a twinkle in Lisa Ling's eye (reporter). I'm not sure if that's because she's already got a site profile or is just thinking about setting one up.

But remember when she was caught spying in North Korea and sentenced to 12 years hard labor, it was Bill Clinton that did what needed to be done, flew over there, saved her from having to look at Kim Jong Ils flaccid member and wonder what to do with it, and escorted her out of the country. I bet Bill left a stain on her dress in the chopper on the way out as payment as he showed her that "hard labor" didn't necessarily need to inconvenience her for too long.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DogRice;2226106]I thought was her younger sister Laura Ling got caught in and. Korea.

Agreed with the SB. Definitely not that hot IMO.[/QUOTE]You're right, I was thinking it was Lisa for some reason.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;2224385]Yep, I've used it and had tons of success. The chat option is sweet, the search sucks!

BigTigg.[/QUOTE]I've also had some success with it in VA and like the chat feature, and IT'S FREE!

[QUOTE=Hammerin;2226342]I've also had some success with it in VA and like the chat feature, and IT'S FREE![/QUOTE]A little confused by the free thing? I just signed up and it seems I've got to pay to contact anyone?

[QUOTE=BillCullen;2226821]A little confused by the free thing? I just signed up and it seems I've got to pay to contact anyone?[/QUOTE]Are we all talking about [URL]SugarDaddyToday.com[/URL]?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2225549]Whenever I see an SB story in the news that I haven't already seen posted elsewhere, I feel obligated to share....

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As I watched it, I see a twinkle in Lisa Ling's eye (reporter). I'm not sure if that's because she's already got a site profile or is just thinking about setting one up.

[/QUOTE]Well I guess this answered my question above and confirmed the twinkle in her eye. Lisa Ling now admits she was once an SB. LOL.

And of course she needed to go to the Seeking Arrangement party for. You guessed it -- research.

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/living/lisa-ling-sugar-baby-essay/index.html?hpt=hp_c2[/URL]

The girls are everywhere and more willing then ever! But I need some advise brothers. .

Too many choices in all honesty, but I am truly misguided at judging what some of, if not most of these girls want sexually. Do they truly all want rough dominate sex? Is that why the average girl is truly on the SD websites? Cause almost all the girls I've met want to be taken with authority and treated very aggressively in the bedroom, no matter how meek they seem when you communicate and meet them.

I went outside my normal range of girl I typically go for. I emailed several new prospects and had most all them on the hook, but went with a 21 year old girl from the middle East. She had olive skin, 5'2" very petite and very pretty. I've never been with this type of girl, but figured why not. She was a true college baby, living on campus and attending school fulltime.

We emailed and texted for two days, all signs pointed towards a reserved, shy and laid back potential baby. Nothing about sex, etc, but casual mentions of going to the FC. She gave off signs about being scared, nervous, but excited, etc. Etc. The day of our date and M&G my time became more limited and she agreed reluctantly to meet at the room and we would have drinks, chat etc. But she was admittedly nervous about that.

In the room comes this beautiful, conservatively dressed, little makeup, very petite little spinner of a 21 year old woman. Very well spoken, educated and knowledgeable beyond her years. A true classic and classy young lady. She reveals after about ten minutes of conversation and a few beers that she is quite comfortable with me and knows and can tell I'm a nice guy. About fifteen minutes later, I lean in for a kiss that turned fairly passionate. She asks if I want to cuddle on the bed and we move to the bed. Long story short, we had what I called some very passionate sex, more on the sensual side. She came about three times and after a long session of me DATY and fingering her Gspot pretty intensely she is crying out, "fuck me, fuck me and she is literally almost in tears from cumming. Very nice! So we fuck and it was fairly intense, she cums a few more times. Then she kinda freaks out and tells me, "don't cum in me, we did not use a condom, I want to suck you off and make you cum in my mouth. " Fine we with and she proceeds to give me an amazing BBBJ until I explode in her mouth.

We rest for about ten minutes and then I'm back DATY on her, another big O for her and more fucking. I do not cum the second time. We cuddle for a bit, make pillow talk, hug, kiss, give each other compliments and agree this is a good thing and we will see each other.

So after she leaves, we call up each other and discuss more about what we just did and she invites me to express what I like sexually. (well that what we just did was pretty fucking good in my book I'm thinking) So I tell her a few things and invite her to do the same. AND HERE AND THERE IT IS AGAIN! I'm thinking we just had really great sex and she proceeds to tell me how she likes it rough. Very rough, to be pinned down, fucked really hard, cum shot on her face and face fucked, fingers in her ass, and how she can squirt and cum 15-20 times per session. NEVER saw it coming from this one.

So after all that, should I know just fucking assume, no matter how passive and laid back any of these girls are, they all want it rough? Is that why many are looking for a SD? Cause this is like the fourth girl who came across as someone who could never be into that type of sex, who is!

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2227177]Well I guess this answered my question above and confirmed the twinkle in her eye. Lisa Ling now admits she was once an SB. LOL.

And of course she needed to go to the Seeking Arrangement party for. You guessed it -- research.

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/living/lisa-ling-sugar-baby-essay/index.html?hpt=hp_c2[/URL][/QUOTE]This feature CNN show is bad news. UTR SDs do not need exposure to our world at large (ie SOs) . What if our suspicious (already) SOs start asking about SA and have we ever done that??

On the up side, new Pot Babies might join the market looking for their share of the action.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2227478]
So after all that, should I know just fucking assume, no matter how passive and laid back any of these girls are, they all want it rough? Is that why many are looking for a SD? Cause this is like the fourth girl who came across as someone who could never be into that type of sex, who is![/QUOTE]Yep, I just re-joined SA last Friday.

Already have 3 pot local to Hampton Roads. And they all like it rough. The beauty is, 2 of the 3 aren't even looking for gifts, they are just looking for a nice hotel room *LOL*.

Don't fight it. Seriously it's a beautiful thing.