Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=GmJuan;5722876]Looking for the best spot to get a decent massage and a HJ. My expectations are pretty low as it will be first time so looks don't matter too much since I'll be excited as fuck. Noob friendly places?

Thanks![/QUOTE]You'll understand when you go your first time, but with your expectations literally anyplace will do. These places are largely interchangeable or this forum wouldn't exist? Pick a place with an awkward sounding name, a neon Open light out front, and a holding area up front that someone has to unlock to get to the massage rooms. Strip naked and put the towel on yourself. And just wait for the words "turn over. ".

[QUOTE=Murrican;5723144]You'll understand when you go your first time, but with your expectations literally anyplace will do. These places are largely interchangeable or this forum wouldn't exist? Pick a place with an awkward sounding name, a neon Open light out front, and a holding area up front that someone has to unlock to get to the massage rooms. Strip naked and put the towel on yourself. And just wait for the words "turn over. ".[/QUOTE]To add to this excellent advice:

Don't lie. If they ask, yes, it's your first time there. You don't have to say first time ever, just first time there.

A gentle caress on her leg will help put her at ease, and let her set the pace for the session.

Book the thirty min. If they only offer an hour, or try to upsell, walk.

Bring. 6 for HJ. That should be good if that's all you are after. You may get some negotiations about upper or lower access, and, like the rest of us, you play that by ear.

Deep breaths, because you're going to be nervous as fuck.

Good luck.

To add one more thing to all this excellent advice: The cheaper the sign out front, the more accommodating the place. If they have a fancy, illuminated sign, with a custom logo and the name of the spa, it is more likely to be legit. The best places are the ones with the simple "Massage" sign on the building, or even better, a canvas / vinyl sign, held on by grommets. It's pretty much an open admission that they expect to be shut down. Best of all are the places with no sign at all. Maybe just decals on the glass windows. An amazing place I once went to in Chatsworth had no sign at all. You had to know it was there. The windows were blacked out with film. I don't think they lasted six months, but it was fun while it lasted.

[QUOTE=PlayerN818;5723350]To add to this excellent advice:

Don't lie. If they ask, yes, it's your first time there. You don't have to say first time ever, just first time there.

A gentle caress on her leg will help put her at ease, and let her set the pace for the session.

Book the thirty min. If they only offer an hour, or try to upsell, walk.

Bring. 6 for HJ. That should be good if that's all you are after. You may get some negotiations about upper or lower access, and, like the rest of us, you play that by ear..[/QUOTE]

Haha! This is also true and makes me realize how much social context you pick up in this hobby. Unspoken rules and procedures. And there are so many more.

Those signs on the wall say no illicit offers are laughable.

You will meet many girls named Coco. That is not their real name.

You will occasionally misjudge a place as a rub shop when it's legit and you'll feel bad. They will be fine. The last time somebody made this mistake was like five minutes ago. They probably even wonder if they should just take the money.

You will be disappointed in the quality of provider. Repeatedly. Both looks and attitude. Surprise: in this business Yelp is not a thing.

Speaking of which, bad Yelp reviews means it's a tug shop.

[QUOTE=GeezerX;5723695]To add one more thing to all this excellent advice: The cheaper the sign out front, the more accommodating the place. If they have a fancy, illuminated sign, with a custom logo and the name of the spa, it is more likely to be legit. The best places are the ones with the simple "Massage" sign on the building, or even better, a canvas / vinyl sign, held on by grommets. It's pretty much an open admission that they expect to be shut down. Best of all are the places with no sign at all. Maybe just decals on the glass windows. An amazing place I once went to in Chatsworth had no sign at all. You had to know it was there. The windows were blacked out with film. I don't think they lasted six months, but it was fun while it lasted.[/QUOTE]

Looks like their yelp reviews are truthful.

The best spas do not have a MMS directing traffic. Shops with a "next provider up" honor system are generally the most "open". M&A in Downey, Smile on Santa Monica Blvd, and I'm assuming Chen's, are exceptions. There was a place in San Pedro called JJ Accu Care that slid all the way down the greased pole to hell, going from a HJ shop to a Full Service shop where bare services became available (to me, at least)!

[QUOTE=Murrican;5724013]Haha! This is also true and makes me realize how much social context you pick up in this hobby. Unspoken rules and procedures. And there are so many more.

Those signs on the wall say no illicit offers are laughable.

You will meet many girls named Coco. That is not their real name.

You will occasionally misjudge a place as a rub shop when it's legit and you'll feel bad. They will be fine. The last time somebody made this mistake was like five minutes ago. They probably even wonder if they should just take the money.

You will be disappointed in the quality of provider. Repeatedly. Both looks and attitude. Surprise: in this business Yelp is not a thing.

Speaking of which, bad Yelp reviews means it's a tug shop.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. But shops with no MMS are also the ones where your provider is always interrupting your massage to answer the phone or deal with a customer in the lobby. Every time you hear the motion activated bells up front you know you're going to be sitting in the room awkwardly for like 2-3 minutes.

[QUOTE=HexenDuction;5724619]The best spas do not have a MMS directing traffic. Shops with a "next provider up" honor system are generally the most "open". M&A in Downey, Smile on Santa Monica Blvd, and I'm assuming Chen's, are exceptions. There was a place in San Pedro called JJ Accu Care that slid all the way down the greased pole to hell, going from a HJ shop to a Full Service shop where bare services became available (to me, at least)![/QUOTE]

Many years ago, under a different user name, I wrote a list of observations about AMPs. Much of it still holds true. Priscilla also has a list that is pretty good (stuff like "never accept the water".

Here are a few that I remember:

- Always get naked.

- Don't even put the towel over yourself.

- Lie face down. (Face up looks like you're either trying to hard, or entrapment.).

- Always ask for 30 minutes the first time.

- If she asks, hard, medium or light: Always light.

- If she asks, "What do you want?" it's a full service place.

- Don't go to a full service place and ask for a handy. They want to make 100+ per customer, and you are wasting their time, so they will rush you.

- If you leave your hands over the edge of the table, and she doesn't avoid them, but brushes against them, you will get at least an HJ. If she picks up your arm and moves it, she doesn't trust you yet.

- Bring exact change.

- This has changed recently, but in the SFV, it used to be that places that charged 40 for 30 were HE places. Places that charged 50 for 30 were FS places. However, there are a lot of FS places in SGV that charge 30 for 30. Since Covid, this has all gone wacky.

- Don't haggle too much. If a girl says the expected tip is 160, and you work her down to 100, do you really think you are going to get good service? You don't have to give the first number requested, but if you do, you are more likely to get the service you expect. UNLESS, the request is outrageous. Then she is just trying to squeeze you, and will take you for a rube.

- Always take the shower, when offered one. If you go to a place where showers are not offered, shower before going if you can. You will get better service.

- Be friendly. Smile to mamasan and your provider. Don't be grumpy, stressed and weirded out. They get that all day. Put out good vibes, and you will get good service. If you act like a nervous teenager about to lose his virginity on meth, do you think they will warm up to you?

- Don't walk into an AMP broke, or with the exact amount of change. Take a little extra, for those special situations when something magic happens and you wish you had a few extra bucks. I used to walk into an AMP with exactly $80. That's stupid. Always have an extra 100, even if you hide it in your shoe.

There were a lot more, but this is the gist of it.

By the way, many years ago, I went to an AMP three times. I got Bebe, Cici, and Deedee, in order. Next time I went back, I wondered if I would get Fifi, or maybe just E. Nope, I got Luna. Never a Coco though.

I was reading Yelp reviews for a known FS shop recently. Most were horrible. I figure they intentionally give bad service to scare away civilians. People were complaining about being asked for a $15 tip, shorted for time, etc. Of course. When the providers can earn $100 tip in the same amount of time, why would they want to do a legit rub? You would think they would just say they were fully booked, but maybe that doesn't work if the next person who walks in is admitted (They could always say they had an appointment?) That was in the SGV. I don't think AMPs in the SFV have that problem.

[QUOTE=Murrican;5724013]Haha! This is also true and makes me realize how much social context you pick up in this hobby. Unspoken rules and procedures. And there are so many more.

Those signs on the wall say no illicit offers are laughable.

You will meet many girls named Coco. That is not their real name.

You will occasionally misjudge a place as a rub shop when it's legit and you'll feel bad. They will be fine. The last time somebody made this mistake was like five minutes ago. They probably even wonder if they should just take the money.[/QUOTE]

1. never accept the water. Agreed.

2. Always get naked. I almost entirely agree, I think once in a while, most recently when I fucked that rodtong girl, I kept my boxers on. If you are squeamish and it is a new place, you might not want to expose your fanny.

3. Don't even put the towel over yourself. This I violently disagree with. These places pay good money for laundry services and just lying naked face up is a little forward. I have no problem with having the towel on. If you by accident got a girl who is legit sort of. Her seeing your crack upon entry may be a turn off. A little mystery please.

4. Lie face down. (Face up looks like you're either trying to hard, or entrapment.). I violently agree. I have been to goldfinger a million times. Lying face up means you have a sex addiction problem.

5. Always ask for 30 minutes the first time. Ambivalent about this one, kind of like watching le bron drive off a cliff in my brand new mercedes. I do not think that getting fucked out of an extra 20-40 is a big deal, but if you would be pissed having paid for an hour for no monkey love, then by all means, go for the 30 the first time. For me, it is not remotely possible anymore for me to get off in 30 minutes.

6. If she asks, hard, medium or light: Always light. Maybe it is my upbringing, but I say medium. If it is too hard, then I send a cautionary memo. Asking for soft upfront, unless you know the girl, I think, is kind of degen.

7. If she asks, "What do you want?" it's a full service place. Are we in 2003 here? I have not been asked what I want in the last 10 years. Any girl who asks that should be immediately take a phoenix university course in sex work. She has to put her hand on your cock. Then she can say. What do you want. But that is not indicative that it is full service. I have not been asked that question without a hand on my cock in a decade.

8. Don't go to a full service place and ask for a handy. They want to make 100+ per customer, and you are wasting their time, so they will rush you. I agree with this and it is the type of precise analysis that I desire. If you go to 8155 and get only a handjob, you are probably homosexual.

9. If you leave your hands over the edge of the table, and she doesn't avoid them, but brushes against them, you will get at least an HJ. If she picks up your arm and moves it, she doesn't trust you yet. Yes, but you must master the fine art of always grabbing as they get close. It is part of the social contract.

10. Bring exact change. Meh, you can go full goy on this and bring an odd amount. I get change at goldfinger. But I make so much money at von's due to overtime because of this nasty cold going around that it does not matter to me.

11. This has changed recently, but in the SFV, it used to be that places that charged 40 for 30 were HE places. Places that charged 50 for 30 were FS places. However, there are a lot of FS places in SGV that charge 30 for 30. Since Covid, this has all gone wacky. Your dollar figures sound like the kind of doggerel from that poet they are putting on the quarter. The door fee has very little to do with the output, save for 8155 which charges wacky numbers to get in and fuck their stable.

12. Don't haggle too much. If a girl says the expected tip is 160, and you work her down to 100, do you really think you are going to get good service? You don't have to give the first number requested, but if you do, you are more likely to get the service you expect. Unless, the request is outrageous. Then she is just trying to squeeze you, and will take you for a rube. I agree that negotiation is worth it, but be aristotelian about it and gravitate to the mean. If she says 160 and you say 100 and she counters at 140, that is the end.

13. Always take the shower, when offered one. If you go to a place where showers are not offered, shower before going if you can. You will get better service. I really find this to be questionable advice. Some of these places have the hygiene of a covid19 ward in aleppo. I noticed that goldfinger has a shower, and it looks b plus clean, but unless I am going to get a BBBBBBJ, no reason for the waste of water. A table shower is something different entirely. That is mandatory and compulsive if offered.

14. Be friendly. Smile to mamasan and your provider. Don't be grumpy, stressed and weirded out. They get that all day. Put out good vibes, and you will get good service. If you act like a nervous teenager about to lose his virginity on meth, do you think they will warm up to you? OK. A smile and how are you is fine, but asking about the grandkids and shit at goldfinger really gets on my nerves when I hear it.

15. Don't walk into an AMP broke, or with the exact amount of change. Take a little extra, for those special situations when something magic happens and you wish you had a few extra bucks. I used to walk into an AMP with exactly $80. That's stupid. Always have an extra 100, even if you hide it in your shoe. Any man who does not have at least 500 dollars on him in cash at any time is a useless millennial. I have several credit cards I never use that probably have like 50 k limits. Total nonsense. I always, always, carry at least 1 k in 20's and 50's (never hundreds, you get looked at funny).

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5726097]1. never accept the water. Agreed.

2. Always get naked. I almost entirely agree, I think once in a while, most recently when I fucked that rodtong girl, I kept my boxers on. If you are squeamish and it is a new place, you might not want to expose your fanny.

3. Don't even put the towel over yourself. This I violently disagree with. These places pay good money for laundry services and just lying naked face up is a little forward. I have no problem with having the towel on. If you by accident got a girl who is legit sort of. Her seeing your crack upon entry may be a turn off. A little mystery please.

4. Lie face down. (Face up looks like you're either trying to hard, or entrapment.). I violently agree. I have been to goldfinger a million times. Lying face up means you have a sex addiction problem.

5. Always ask for 30 minutes the first time. Ambivalent about this one, kind of like watching le bron drive off a cliff in my brand new mercedes. I do not think that getting fucked out of an extra 20-40 is a big deal, but if you would be pissed having paid for an hour for no monkey love, then by all means, go for the 30 the first time. For me, it is not remotely possible anymore for me to get off in 30 minutes.

6. If she asks, hard, medium or light: Always light. Maybe it is my upbringing, but I say medium. If it is too hard, then I send a cautionary memo. Asking for soft upfront, unless you know the girl, I think, is kind of degen.

7. If she asks, "What do you want?" it's a full service place. Are we in 2003 here? I have not been asked what I want in the last 10 years. Any girl who asks that should be immediately take a phoenix university course in sex work. She has to put her hand on your cock. Then she can say. What do you want. But that is not indicative that it is full service. I have not been asked that question without a hand on my cock in a decade.

8. Don't go to a full service place and ask for a handy. They want to make 100+ per customer, and you are wasting their time, so they will rush you. I agree with this and it is the type of precise analysis that I desire. If you go to 8155 and get only a handjob, you are probably homosexual.[/QUOTE]Take Notes fellas -I think this is great advice -except for carrying over $500 $ most of us don't have that to carry around. I know I don't.

I don't really remember that as a problem. Probably because I usually went early on Monday morning! Or. If I became a regular, the lady would slip me in an hour before normal business hours. Unless all the girls are busy bangin' away, the free agent can handle the door. And, a break in the action can lead to more BBBJ to get things rolling again!

[QUOTE=Murrican;5724977]Yeah. But shops with no MMS are also the ones where your provider is always interrupting your massage to answer the phone or deal with a customer in the lobby. Every time you hear the motion activated bells up front you know you're going to be sitting in the room awkwardly for like 2-3 minutes.[/QUOTE]

The newb who asked the original question is getting a certificate of completion after this course.

Let me add a few more:

RM is like a broken compass. It's kind of directionally right, but leads you astray like 40 pct of the time. Save your money.

Don't ask for service details over the phone. You'll sound like an idiot.

Don't, please don't, be that guy who ends his reviews with "she's a keeper, guys, take good care of her. " Or explains how "she was really into it, or she's an amazing actor. " She had her hand in a circular shape an hour ago, and she will in 20 minutes. And she's good at acting. Know your place.

The bathroom is for emergencies only. Nobody wants you vacating your bowels there.

It's awkward and sucks to say "you're not my type, is there someone else?" You will learn those words are your friends and you'll get more comfortable saying it. Learn to be comfortable saying it. Walk out and you'll be happy you did.

If you have a kink (whatever. You like toes, you want her to call you the pope while she strokes you) pay more. That's just courtesy. The normal rate is for the normal service. Pay more for more and don't make her ask for it.

If she insists on stopping the service so you pay now, right now, never see her again. That's bad manners and should not be tolerated.

Don't leave short water bottles and Chinese candy in your car. It invites questions.

[QUOTE=FruitCake;5726405]Take Notes fellas -I think this is great advice -except for carrying over $500 $ most of us don't have that to carry around. I know I don't.[/QUOTE]

Well I added LA to my yearly January Vegas trip. I obviously know to RTFF but I need to Uber and I have a stiff, ummm, back LOL. Recommendations for young slim busty provider who also give a good backrub near Hollywood and Highland? I mean I know about Koreatown which isn't far. I will definitely share my experiences here and am going to be active on the sugar forum and strip club forum as well! Private messages are obviously fine and if you review my post history it's clear I'm not a newbie. Thanks so much.

[QUOTE=DrStrangeLust;5727164]Well I added LA to my yearly January Vegas trip. I obviously know to RTFF but I need to Uber and I have a stiff, ummm, back LOL. Recommendations for young slim busty provider who also give a good backrub near Hollywood and Highland? I mean I know about Koreatown which isn't far. I will definitely share my experiences here and am going to be active on the sugar forum and strip club forum as well! Private messages are obviously fine and if you review my post history it's clear I'm not a newbie. Thanks so much.[/QUOTE]Strip clubs went out of style with the cold / flu. It is all ball bearings now. If you have the 260 and want some love from a girl with some extra weight, try.

[URL]https://templeofbliss.com/therapists/guinevere/[/URL]

Or if you want a girl with major league golden pussy syndrome and a loser boyfriend for the ages but a nice rack.

[URL]https://templeofbliss.com/therapists/ishtar-mera/[/URL]

Do any of you guys know where Amy from LA Flower is at now.

Lilly keeps saying Amy is working there but every time I show up, she has a different Amy to sell me to try the new Amy.

I remember Amy saying she had another gig in SFV. Off Sepulveda or something like that. Her English is not the greatest so she couldn't tell me the exact name and location.

TIA.

Fish.

Just say, "new girl"!

[QUOTE=Murrican;5726915]It's awkward and sucks to say "you're not my type, is there someone else?" [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HexenDuction;5728213]Just say, "new girl"![/QUOTE]I don't know. Not trying to be pedantic but that's really unspecific language.

Is new girl the one who just started there?

Or the one who is new to the profession?

Or do we mean "just someone that's not you?

Or a girl who newly became a "girl" (Thai places).

Too much language distortion in brevity. I've got to stick with "you're not my type. Who else you got back there?

Why not try it out and see what happens? If she is a borderline talent, she will understand exactly what it means. It will not be the first time she has heard it, unless it is her first day!

[QUOTE=Murrican;5728511]I don't know. Not trying to be pedantic but that's really unspecific language.

Is new girl the one who just started there?

Or the one who is new to the profession?

Or do we mean "just someone that's not you?

Or a girl who newly became a "girl" (Thai places).

Too much language distortion in brevity. I've got to stick with "you're not my type. Who else you got back there?[/QUOTE]

New to LA and recently visited two places on the west side. Did half hour at Dynasty on Pico and said yes to four hands to try something new. Was fun even if not the best massage. Nice HE with some touchy feely under both tops. Also tried Oriental on Westwood. Much hotter mid 40's gal in yoga pants. Satisfying HE but pretty steep tip at. 8 for half hour visit.

With so many other places around Westwood it's hard to decide what to try next. I walked into Pico spa on pico and met a hot Thai receptionist but they we busy. Worth trying again? What about Aroma Thai or Heavena? TIA.

[QUOTE=HexenDuction;5728580]Why not try it out and see what happens? If she is a borderline talent, she will understand exactly what it means. It will not be the first time she has heard it, unless it is her first day![/QUOTE]I always wonder if the old hags resent the younger workers when they get asked for. Like there has to be some residual resentment right?

This should be a Netflix show. I'd watch it.

There seem like there are 5 or more tug shops on Westwood. I've never checked them out because I just have my go-to spots. But I always wonder about them. They definitely don't look legit. But I can't find anything on them here or on RM. These are places like ceo therapy, sun massage, and a few others I can't remember the names of. One just opened literally 2 doors down from soul to sole foot massage near Olympic, so you know it's got to be a tug tienda. I mean who opens a massage parlor right next to a massage parlor?

Anyone know anything about this proliferation of late on the boulevard? Anything good or just more hag shackery? I'd take one for the team but my local provider is counting on me to keep them in business and I'm only 2 punches away from a freebie on my loyal customer card.

Westwood boulevard is ground central for hearty persian food and even heartier handjobs.

In no particular order:

Goldfinger. The mother ship of sorts, has a sign on it that is visible from the ionosphere kind of like the luxor. Is busier than a covid testing center. There are rubmaps reviews but they are for shit. I am on a kind of odd hiatus from this place.

Oriental. This is one half block north of goldfinger, just past the persian icre cream joint, the new persian eatery, a laundry, a sushi place about as small as le bron's reading list, and next to a goodwill store. It is the very weak sister of goldfinger. It only has hags over 36.

Sun massage. Looks lame.

CEO. An abortion with a coat hanger sticking out of it. The ugliest girls in the los angeles county metropolitan statistical area.

The new place. West side of westwood, down past olympic. Never been.

Wharf. This is goldfinger west and is on wilshire just east of bundy, if you look carefully the sidewalk has skid marks where OJ took the turn to kill nicole. Run by the same owner as pre covid goldfinger. Still getting it hands wet. Very few girls on staff.

I do not know about seasons or any of the places on pico. Seasons is apparently FS, but I heard the worth thai lady boy once. There is green on pico, any place on pico is for shit.

Thanks for sharing.

As a student of commerce, I'm intrigued by the concentration of rubbie tuggies on ww blvd. An economist would conclude that to have such supply, you must have sufficient demand. But with such demand, you should see an attendant increase in quality to differentiate. An easy analogy is Persian food on WW blvd. You see far better Persian food than you would in Santa Monica just because the competition for soltani supremacy is so fierce when your nearest competitor can hear you cough.

And yet, ww has not turned into West Hollywood. For some reason. I don't know why, but there is definitely a reason. Like if someone did an expose, they'd find it. Maybe they're all run by one family or syndicate with the same talent circle. Maybe the average age of customers is higher here so the average age of providers is accordingly higher. There's definitely something going on.

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5729586]Westwood boulevard is ground central for hearty persian food and even heartier handjobs.

In no particular order:

Goldfinger. The mother ship of sorts, has a sign on it that is visible from the ionosphere kind of like the luxor. Is busier than a covid testing center. There are rubmaps reviews but they are for shit. I am on a kind of odd hiatus from this place.

Oriental. This is one half block north of goldfinger, just past the persian icre cream joint, the new persian eatery, a laundry, a sushi place about as small as le bron's reading list, and next to a goodwill store. It is the very weak sister of goldfinger. It only has hags over 36.

Sun massage. Looks lame.

CEO. An abortion with a coat hanger sticking out of it. The ugliest girls in the los angeles county metropolitan statistical area.

The new place. West side of westwood, down past olympic. Never been.

Wharf. This is goldfinger west and is on wilshire just east of bundy, if you look carefully the sidewalk has skid marks where OJ took the turn to kill nicole. Run by the same owner as pre covid goldfinger. Still getting it hands wet. Very few girls on staff.

I do not know about seasons or any of the places on pico. Seasons is apparently FS, but I heard the worth thai lady boy once. There is green on pico, any place on pico is for shit.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure if you went to the same school I did, but you must view the MP situation as a combination of economics, but at the other edge of the law. So, this is not an analysis on par of this masterpiece - [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons.[/URL].

First off, Westwood and its immediate environs (say from Westwood boulevard east to Bundy, from Wilshire to pico) has in my memory, more Asian handjob joints than I can recall. Obviously, there is a lot of money in that white powder. There is lots of space for rent on the westside, and landlords are extremely greedy. Yes, it is counterintuitive, but landlords, and it is an ethnic thing, do not stick their necks out for anyone. They would rather stay dark for a long time than get into a shitty lease with a shitty tenant. Reason being that if they ever need to re-fil the place and pull cash out, the shitty rent will not support a loan.

So, when a restaurant goes tits up now, the place sits vacant, and this is all aggravated by the common cold going around.

Westwood is further a troubled rental market because there is no supply of spaces. Other than the building next to the cost plus on Westwood across from the finger, and of course ignoring UCLA, you just do not see construction in Westwood. Restaurants in the village are clinically dead. Drago fucking closed and there is only one or two actual bars and grills left with liquor licenses. If you want a history lesson in the slow growth of Westwood, you can blame the shooting death of Karen Toshima in 1988, the new jack city riots (peaceful protests I mean) in 1991, and the homeowners group basically only getting fucked over by that developer guy on those condos on Wilshire and Glendon.

But there is housing demand. Certain ethnicities must live in Westwood. Westwood is very quiet and is not as heterogeneous as its kissing cousins like pico Robertson, there is just a lot less melanin. The ethnicities that are in Westwood have funds and like handjobs.

So you have lots of empty space in west wood, only MPs can afford higher rents, and it appears to me that the Asian system does not generally (yes, there are exceptions) allow for full service. The only full service places I hear of (and you can ignore chens, fucking a platypus is not fucking) are seasons and heaven, and as I said, there are possible Thai lady boy sightings.

That explains. I have to go watch the eagles game. The reason that Westwood boulevard is a mecca. More bulls hit to come.

Are there any Korean FS mps in SFV or Koreatown?? Going all the way out to Baldwin Park is little too far out. TIA.

That's an interesting perspective. But let me challenge it a little.

You're saying that.

- lots of Persians own buildings and run them for maximum gain. Ok I can see that.

- lots of Persians like HJs and keep these places busy? I don't know about that. Persians are more conservative than most, on the whole.

- MPs are sufficiently profitable occupy high rent retail spaces even with intense competition. This is interesting. I never considered that and I been at this a while. I always kind of assumed these were businesses scraping by, but they're such low barriers to entry and space improvements that it doesn't matter.

What can a MP possibly make? I assume the girls keep the tips, so call it 60/ hr per customer. Maybe 3 customers / hr for 8 hours / day (I know they're open longer, but they probably have fewer customers in the mornings and odd times, so just rounding). So that's 10 k / day. That's 3. 6 mm / year. That's.actually not bad. Why are they so awfully appointed then?!

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5730403]I am not sure if you went to the same school I did, but you must view the MP situation as a combination of economics, but at the other edge of the law. So, this is not an analysis on par of this masterpiece - [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons.[/URL].

……

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Oops. Messed up my math.

180/ hr.

1400/ day.

10 k / week.

525 k / year.

That's ok. Not great. But ok. They probably have very low overhead. I'm sure they're not paying taxes.

It's interesting.

[QUOTE=Murrican;5730648]That's an interesting perspective. But let me challenge it a little.

You're saying that.

- lots of Persians own buildings and run them for maximum gain. Ok I can see that.

- lots of Persians like HJs and keep these places busy? I don't know about that. Persians are more conservative than most, on the whole.

- MPs are sufficiently profitable occupy high rent retail spaces even with intense competition. This is interesting. I never considered that and I been at this a while. I always kind of assumed these were businesses scraping by, but they're such low barriers to entry and space improvements that it doesn't matter.

What can a MP possibly make? I assume the girls keep the tips, so call it 60/ hr per customer. Maybe 3 customers / hr for 8 hours / day (I know they're open longer, but they probably have fewer customers in the mornings and odd times, so just rounding). So that's 10 k / day. That's 3. 6 mm / year. That's.actually not bad. Why are they so awfully appointed then?![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5730403]I am not sure if you went to the same school I did, but you must view the MP situation as a combination of economics, but at the other edge of the law. So, this is not an analysis on par of this masterpiece - [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons.[/URL].

First off, Westwood and its immediate environs (say from Westwood boulevard east to Bundy, from Wilshire to pico) has in my memory, more Asian handjob joints than I can recall. Obviously, there is a lot of money in that white powder. There is lots of space for rent on the westside, and landlords are extremely greedy. Yes, it is counterintuitive, but landlords, and it is an ethnic thing, do not stick their necks out for anyone. They would rather stay dark for a long time than get into a shitty lease with a shitty tenant. Reason being that if they ever need to re-fil the place and pull cash out, the shitty rent will not support a loan.

So, when a restaurant goes tits up now, the place sits vacant, and this is all aggravated by the common cold going around.

Westwood is further a troubled rental market because there is no supply of spaces. Other than the building next to the cost plus on Westwood across from the finger, and of course ignoring UCLA, you just do not see construction in Westwood. Restaurants in the village are clinically dead. Drago fucking closed and there is only one or two actual bars and grills left with liquor licenses. If you want a history lesson in the slow growth of Westwood, you can blame the shooting death of Karen Toshima in 1988, the new jack city riots (peaceful protests I mean) in 1991, and the homeowners group basically only getting fucked over by that developer guy on those condos on Wilshire and Glendon.

But there is housing demand. Certain ethnicities must live in Westwood. Westwood is very quiet and is not as heterogeneous as its kissing cousins like pico Robertson, there is just a lot less melanin. The ethnicities that are in Westwood have funds and like handjobs.

So you have lots of empty space in west wood, only MPs can afford higher rents, and it appears to me that the Asian system does not generally (yes, there are exceptions) allow for full service. The only full service places I hear of (and you can ignore chens, fucking a platypus is not fucking) are seasons and heaven, and as I said, there are possible Thai lady boy sightings.

That explains. I have to go watch the eagles game. The reason that Westwood boulevard is a mecca. More bulls hit to come.[/QUOTE]I always wondered why there has historically been such a dearth of full-service parlors in WW, compared to WeHo and K-town. But pretty much all of them have been at least jerkoff parlors, even if the lady is old or bundled up in a sweater and jeans. I thought it had something to do with them being Chinese or Vietnamese instead of Korean.

The exceptions were few. There was an old lady who'd jerk you off on the second floor by the Penguins, and when she was gone there were some chubby, yeasty Latinas you could fuck before the building was condemned.

Also driving into The Peoples Republic of Santa Monica, there was a joint or 2 by the McDonalds that were FS. Think they're all body shops or industrial supplies stores now.

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5729586]Westwood boulevard is ground central for hearty persian food and even heartier handjobs.

In no particular order:

Goldfinger. The mother ship of sorts, has a sign on it that is visible from the ionosphere kind of like the luxor. Is busier than a covid testing center. There are rubmaps reviews but they are for shit. I am on a kind of odd hiatus from this place.

Oriental. This is one half block north of goldfinger, just past the persian icre cream joint, the new persian eatery, a laundry, a sushi place about as small as le bron's reading list, and next to a goodwill store. It is the very weak sister of goldfinger. It only has hags over 36.

Sun massage. Looks lame.

CEO. An abortion with a coat hanger sticking out of it. The ugliest girls in the los angeles county metropolitan statistical area.

The new place. West side of westwood, down past olympic. Never been.

Wharf. This is goldfinger west and is on wilshire just east of bundy, if you look carefully the sidewalk has skid marks where OJ took the turn to kill nicole. Run by the same owner as pre covid goldfinger. Still getting it hands wet. Very few girls on staff.

I do not know about seasons or any of the places on pico. Seasons is apparently FS, but I heard the worth thai lady boy once. There is green on pico, any place on pico is for shit.[/QUOTE]Girls over 36 know how to work the shaft and tickle the balls. Those young girls under 36 are cute to look at but man if I don't want to grab my dick from them and finish it myself. You just stand there and look cute for me while I bust this nut.

Any one been to this place in marina del rey?

[URL]https://losangeles.rubratings.com/263398[/URL]

So decided to check out this new spot. Called ahead to make sure they could take me and was told, "three girls here now". So cruised by and decided to go through the back entrance. There was a construction worker working on something in the back so it was a little awkward but went right by him. I surprised the girl at the front desk as she was like, "where the fuck did you come from? But once I told her I had called she led me to a room and told me she'd be right back. Very attractive Asian woman. I'd say somewhere between 35 - 45, but I'm terrible at guessing with Asian women. She also looked like she had a little cosmetic surgery with her loops so it threw me off. But she had a great ass. After waiting for like 10 minutes she came in and started a really great massage. Very light brushes against the boys when she got down there but nothing overt. Then after 30 minutes someone shouted something in some Asian language and she left the room for a minute. I could here a mans voice too so I think she had to go and deal with the construction guy. She came in and apologized for leaving and says someone else will come in to finish the massage, but promised to take care of me on my next visit.

I worried that after getting an attractive girl that the replacement would be old and fat. Luckily I was wrong. In came Tiffany and she was very thin, flat stomach, and cute little bubble butt. Looked like in her 20's. She resumed the massage on my legs and got me going in a hurry. Once I stiffened up she went for it and asked me to turn over. My hands were all over her and she asked if I wanted her to take off her shirt. I said yes and she asked how much I would tip her. I told myself that I wouldn't go past. 80, but she wasn't going for it. I hate to up the price for everyone but she was too hot so I agreed to a hundy. Off came the top and I put my hands on those long pencil erasers. She was very hot and gave some great words of encouragement, but it was a little mechanical. She started pumping away and I don't last long that way. Afterward she gave me a 10 min head massage and off I went. Not bad for a first visit and I saw another (early 30's?) attractive girl on my way out. But I think I get a little more mileage from some other spots so I don't know I'll repeat. I'd love to see the girl who worked on me at first but I forgot to get her name before I left.

[QUOTE=Murrican;5730650]Oops. Messed up my math.

180/ hr.

1400/ day.

10 k / week.

525 k / year.

That's ok. Not great. But ok. They probably have very low overhead. I'm sure they're not paying taxes.

It's interesting.[/QUOTE]I will not comment at the outset on you belief that a handjob provider at gold finger only works 3-4 hours of a 10-12 hour shift. Instead, and I invite grimmy to chip in, let's start with profit margins.

Apple computer has a profit margin (pre tax is all I care about) in the last full year of reporting of 29.85%. Pfizer has a margin of 30.55%. Facebook runs at 42.4%.

Now, let's try and figure out what kind of margins goldfinger has. I am going to ignore the build out costs of the space. That is a fixed cost and is sunk. The owner will either make it back or not, and it does not affect his margins. I assume he did not borrow funds from a bank to install doors with a window in it.

I am going to assume that the only significant expenses of this place are the two killers for any business, rent and labor. Unlike restaurants and retail, there are no goods being sold. The only fucken operating costs of goldfinger are the immense volume of towel laundry expense and the time and cost of sourcing those ridiculous 4.25 ounce waters.

So, now let's go back to gross profits. A girl there on a 10 hour shift has to be at least 60% occupied. So she is making the place gross 300 a day (it seems to still be 50 an hour). There are 4 girls on average a day (actually 5, but lets be conservative), open seven days a week, for gross house payment of $36 k monthly.

Now, there are tips on top, which I will simply add on to the gross by adding 120% - I know of no one tipping at the finger for an hour at 50 for less than 50. It is much more, but just for estimation purposes. So now add another 43 k a month. With four girls working at around 60% capacity, you get to that little shithole making $79 k a month gross.

I figure they pay each of the girls there 300 dollars a day, so on 4 girls, basically you pay 36 k out the door a month.

You are left with 43 k a month. Rent is probably 10 k a month. The rest of the expenses, such as towels, water, rubbing alcohol, a new washer dryer due to human semen plugging up the pipes and candy in those dishes, is another 3 k monthly.

So you are taking home 30 k a month. On 79 k gross, the profit margin is 38%. Now grimmy can step in and tell us that there are other expenses, or that the girls keep more of the tip. Who knows. But if you can find me a business that operates on a 38% margin, well fuck the iphone and the safe, effective and free vaccine, and the waste of time spent stalking pussy on IG, where do I invest?

Since the demise of the Santa Monica MPS (Ginja, ocean and that granny shack) full service west of Robertson is rare. I do not count Mary at Chens or a1 or skin paradise in Santa Monica.

Other than the place at 118** Santa Monica, top floor at the very end with the fat Latinas, and perhaps heavena and season, it is handjob only.

I am guessing that there is serious difficulties finding gals who will fuck mongers and / or the owners just think that the cops coming in and finding condoms and vaginal repair kits (in Chen's case, anal repair kits) would be too incriminating.

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[QUOTE=LAblu;5732094] I hate to up the price for everyone but she was too hot so I agreed to a hundy. Off came the top and I put my hands on those long pencil erasers. She was very hot and gave some great words of encouragement, but it was a little mechanical. [/QUOTE]If never had a provider NOT feel mechanical after a pre-service negotiation. It's a brutal reminder I'm a wallet, and she wants to get to as many as possible.

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5732345]Since the demise of the Santa Monica MPS (Ginja, ocean and that granny shack) Other than the place at 118** Santa Monica, top floor at the very end with the fat Latinas, and perhaps heavena and season, it is handjob only..[/QUOTE]You sure about heavena? Went in there the other day but no one was available. The place looked.

Therapeutic legit, just like it's yelp reviews state. Seems like HE might even not be possible there.

[QUOTE=Liljoeyw;5733389]You sure about heavena? Went in there the other day but no one was available. The place looked.

Therapeutic legit, just like it's yelp reviews state. Seems like HE might even not be possible there.[/QUOTE]I took a stab at this one and the found a 60 plus year old. They seemed way legit. The manager and the provider were older and no cuties in sight. Please let me know your experiences.

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5732135]I will not comment at the outset on you belief that a handjob provider at gold finger only works 3-4 hours of a 10-12 hour shift. Instead, and I invite grimmy to chip in, let's start with profit margins.

Apple computer has a profit margin (pre tax is all I care about) in the last full year of reporting of 29.85%. Pfizer has a margin of 30.55%. Facebook runs at 42.4%.

Now, let's try and figure out what kind of margins goldfinger has. I am going to ignore the build out costs of the space. That is a fixed cost and is sunk. The owner will either make it back or not, and it does not affect his margins. I assume he did not borrow funds from a bank to install doors with a window in it.

I am going to assume that the only significant expenses of this place are the two killers for any business, rent and labor. Unlike restaurants and retail, there are no goods being sold. The only fucken operating costs of goldfinger are the immense volume of towel laundry expense and the time and cost of sourcing those ridiculous 4.25 ounce waters.

So, now let's go back to gross profits. A girl there on a 10 hour shift has to be at least 60% occupied. So she is making the place gross 300 a day (it seems to still be 50 an hour). There are 4 girls on average a day (actually 5, but lets be conservative), open seven days a week, for gross house payment of $36 k monthly.

Now, there are tips on top, which I will simply add on to the gross by adding 120% - I know of no one tipping at the finger for an hour at 50 for less than 50. It is much more, but just for estimation purposes. So now add another 43 k a month. With four girls working at around 60% capacity, you get to that little shithole making $79 k a month gross.

I figure they pay each of the girls there 300 dollars a day, so on 4 girls, basically you pay 36 k out the door a month.

You are left with 43 k a month. Rent is probably 10 k a month. The rest of the expenses, such as towels, water, rubbing alcohol, a new washer dryer due to human semen plugging up the pipes and candy in those dishes, is another 3 k monthly.

So you are taking home 30 k a month. On 79 k gross, the profit margin is 38%. Now grimmy can step in and tell us that there are other expenses, or that the girls keep more of the tip. Who knows. But if you can find me a business that operates on a 38% margin, well fuck the iphone and the safe, effective and free vaccine, and the waste of time spent stalking pussy on IG, where do I invest?[/QUOTE]You're pretty spot on actually. Yeah there are other expenses. I pay about $1500/ week for advertising and marketing, but these spas surely don't spend anywhere near that. I pay royalties because I'm a franchise. Maintenance costs. You'd be amazed how much shit breaks every day that you need to fix or replace. Those towel warmers that spas use? All cheap made in China pieces of shit that don't last. I replace those damn things constantly. Linen service is about $2000/ month for sheets alone (we wash our own towels in house but sheets are a gigantic pain in the ass). You're probably within a couple thousand dollars of being accurate though one way or another.

One big thing to keep in mind with "hobby" spas. For most of them, the actual owner is some dude sitting in China or Hong Kong outside the reach of US authorities, so that's where most of the money goes. The "owner" here is just a pawn recruited by the real owner in Asia. He takes whatever the cut is for himself and sends the rest overseas. If he gets busted, no biggie for the real owner. He just recruits another pawn to "own" a couple spas. There are exceptions of course, but for the most part that's how these places run. Nobody in the US is getting rich from them. That's also why AMPs are so hard to break up and a lot of cities don't even try to bust them - they just let them do their thing as long as they aren't a public nuisance.

Hey, any mongers know of a place to get a good manzilian and HJ / BBJ. Around the westside area, been looking for a good spot for a couple weeks to no avail.

Hey guys!

I'll be down for a while, new to this area.

Any solid KAMP or Agencies around?

Thanks!