The Massholes

[QUOTE=AmpFan228;2419638]Has anyone stopped to do the math? Here's a sobering thought. The average American person makes 50 k a year. Now take a Chinese immigrant legal or not to the United states or not has to work. They have to pay whatever debts brought them here.

Now 60 for one hour massage. Let's say the house takes 40 the girl gets 20. Most these girls do work from 10 in the morning until 9 at night. Maybe they do 6 to 10 customers a day For 6 days a week. If everyone pays the minimum tip of 40 plus the 20 they get for the massage that's a minimum of 360 or at most 600 per day. Now multiply that times 6 days a week 52 weeks a year and you end up with between 102 k to 186 k per year. Do you make that much?. Now you tell me where else these girls can find work that will pay this when most can't read or write english. I laugh every time someone posts about these girls being victims. They aren't. No one needs to force these girls to do this work. They do it for the money. Very very very good money. They aren't aaddled with the American sexual guilt we all grew up with. They grew up with a guilt of a different kind. They grew up in a culture where the police were useless and the government can be bought. A culture where the only thing that matters is how much money you have. These girls didn't come from middle America with nothing to worry about. They grew up in crowded cities where their mom or dad did WHATEVER they had to to survive. They grew up in a way we will never understand. Something we as Americans CANNOT understand. There is no shame in what they do. They are making money and we are getting pleasure. There is no victim here. If there were to be a victim I would argue that it is us making 50 k a year and giving it to a girl who for 40 dollars can make us feel like a king. They're happy we are happy I fail to see the problem. The problem is that in order to keep prosecuting this victimless crime they need to sway to public opinion. They need to make us out to be tirentes feeding on the helpless immigrant women brought here illegally for our pleasure. I am sure in some corner of the world this problem exists. But I can assure you uncle and aunt LEO it doesn't exist here. These girls are making more money then we are allow them to prosper at no ones expense and stop spending tax dollars on shutting these places down. The gin induced banter of an old man. I digress.[/QUOTE]I hate to burst your bubble but you are way off base with your numbers and your rational.

I have personally known a number of massage girls outside of their work.

1. I would say they make closer to $800 to $1,000 per week. Good money but they are working 11 hour days in a job that is very demanding physically. You try giving 5-7 one hour massage per day. While on the surface that seems like a lot per year they often only work a few weeks at a time then need a long break and need to find a new place to work.

2. You assume that these girls want to be there. Most of these girls while not being forced to work feel they have no other choice because of their English skills. Many of these girls send money back to their country or to there family in other states. It is Asian culture to take care of there parents.

3. Also Asian culture does not promote HE this is an American thing. Just because prostitution and other sex type businesses are common in other countries doesn't mean all the girls enjoy or even want to be doing this work.

4. I enjoy a good Asian massage and have never refused a HE but if the girl doesn't doesn't do it I never push for it. Unlike many on this board who get pissed or try and push for more.

Just my 2 cents from an inside perspective.

[QUOTE=ZackLawrence;2419776]I hate to burst your bubble but you are way off base with your numbers and your rational.

I have personally known a number of massage girls outside of their work.

1. I would say they make closer to $800 to $1,000 per week. Good money but they are working 11 hour days in a job that is very demanding physically. You try giving 5-7 one hour massage per day. While on the surface that seems like a lot per year they often only work a few weeks at a time then need a long break and need to find a new place to work.

2. You assume that these girls want to be there. Most of these girls while not being forced to work feel they have no other choice because of their English skills. Many of these girls send money back to their country or to there family in other states. It is Asian culture to take care of there parents.

3. Also Asian culture does not promote HE this is an American thing. Just because prostitution and other sex type businesses are common in other countries doesn't mean all the girls enjoy or even want to be doing this work.

4. I enjoy a good Asian massage and have never refused a HE but if the girl doesn't doesn't do it I never push for it. Unlike many on this board who get pissed or try and push for more.

Just my 2 cents from an inside perspective.[/QUOTE]If I may add, places like Lily and NMS the girls pay for food and other items, they typically are also paying debt to the people that helped them immigrate. Most girl's I talk to work three weeks on and one week off also mid day the places are dead. Also you figure they cannot raise a family or have a regular relationship during this. Some start there own mamason store front and given I can walk into almost all of them without an appointment that tells you how business is. And then we got the ugly girls we all avoid. Its a looks and performance based business and it has a burnout and lifespan.

[QUOTE=HappyDave;2419816]If I may add, places like Lily and NMS the girls pay for food and other items, they typically are also paying debt to the people that helped them immigrate. Most girl's I talk to work three weeks on and one week off also mid day the places are dead. Also you figure they cannot raise a family or have a regular relationship during this. Some start there own mamason store front and given I can walk into almost all of them without an appointment that tells you how business is. And then we got the ugly girls we all avoid. Its a looks and performance based business and it has a burnout and lifespan.[/QUOTE]And this is where the potential for victimization arises. Think of the old company towns owned by mining companies with company stores charging ridiculous prices. Some of these girls are trafficked in one sense or another, signing on thinking they'll be doing domestic work, owing a small fortune to someone for getting them into the US, then surprise! Not saying all are, but enough to raise concern. The work is hard, even gross, it's sporadic, illegal, and there aren't many other options. Think about the last monger you crossed paths with at an MP. Would you give him a HE massage for $60? I think these girls deserve some sympathy.

[QUOTE=HowardSprague;2420058]And this is where the potential for victimization arises. Think of the old company towns owned by mining companies with company stores charging ridiculous prices. Some of these girls are trafficked in one sense or another, signing on thinking they'll be doing domestic work, owing a small fortune to someone for getting them into the US, then surprise! Not saying all are, but enough to raise concern. The work is hard, even gross, it's sporadic, illegal, and there aren't many other options. Think about the last monger you crossed paths with at an MP. Would you give him a HE massage for $60? I think these girls deserve some sympathy.[/QUOTE]Can we get back to reviewing AMP's please and move this to off topic? Thanks.

BB.

Hey HH. Thanks for the response. I had hoped to see a few more people chip in here, but I think your answer may have taken all the oxygen out of the room.

You are The Man. The rest of us are definitely not worthy!

Keep safe out there, everybody.

P.S. Wow. Just wow.

[QUOTE=HoHunter328;2414905]I've seen 5 to 7 girls a week for the last 15 years. Even considering there were quite a few repeats in there, my number of individual girls is definitely over 1000. So to answer your question, around 100 definitely does not seem like a lot to me.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]

OMG Ho Hunter. (awed) That's not stamina. That's a full time job!

[QUOTE=HoHunter328;2414905]I've seen 5 to 7 girls a week for the last 15 years. Even considering there were quite a few repeats in there, my number of individual girls is definitely over 1000. So to answer your question, around 100 definitely does not seem like a lot to me.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]

I don't doubt your claim of 5 to 7 a week but the dollars don't make sense to me. Even with a nice-guy discount.

A quick bit of math says you are being conservative on the dollar amount- 5 days X $100 a pop x 52 weeks is TWENTY SIX GRAND!

Holy Shit!

If you are hitting a few 300 to 500 an hour babes you are way over that. So either you are kidding yourself (and us) or you find a lot of Free NSA / FWB girls.

[QUOTE=HoHunter328;2414905]I've seen 5 to 7 girls a week for the last 15 years. Even considering there were quite a few repeats in there, my number of individual girls is definitely over 1000. So to answer your question, around 100 definitely does not seem like a lot to me.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]

Gents,

Curious: Where did you get the best HJ service ever?

I have been a this game for decades. Have had lots of experience, mostly positive.

If you are not comfortable sharing in pubic, feel free to PM.

[QUOTE=NoRush;2414739]For some reason I recently decided to make a list of all the places / escorts I could remember visiting around the world over the last 15 years or more. When I got done, it was a little over 50 massage parlors, some with multiple visits and some with different girls. I also have seen about 50 girls in apartments, motel rooms, and brothels. I think the total number of sessions (MP and escorts) is around 150, but it's hard to remember exactly how many repeats I had at some places or with some girls. Most of my action has been at the lower end of the scale (HJ & CBJ) since I'm big on safety, but I've done the whole range up to anal.

To be honest, I was a little surprised when I put the numbers together like that. 100+ girls is way, way, way beyond my personal amateur numbers. Now I'm wondering if this seems like a lot to you guys, or if I'm just getting started in the hobby. If I'm just getting started, I'll need to start putting a little more money aside for all this!

Thanks, and stay safe out there guys.

NoRush.[/QUOTE]I think you're looking at this all wrong. You shouldn't be thinking at it as a contest nor should you have a quota. Just do what you can do comfortably to satisfy your own needs, as long as it doesn't cut into your financial situation. A few years ago I would go to AMPs on the average of 2 per week, every week. It cost me over $1000 per month, about what a mortgage payment would be. Then I cut back on the AMPs to one per week, but that wasn't working out for me. I guess I'm lucky, my full time job allows me a lot of free time so I got a good paying part time job, mainly to pay for my hobby, but also to make up for what I didn't put towards retirement.

I don't even have a guess at how many women I've been with, but it's been many, with very few regrets.

[QUOTE=JohnReid;2420457]FYI, yesterday afternoon the same AMP (10C) that was busted a year ago January was shut down by local LE. Supposedly this time for good.

It's a shame. It was a nice place. Clean by all local standards and they offered a nice consistent service.

They were also the only AMP in the area that had a TS. (Ooops, except for 1154, but I haven't partaken there yet).

Word is that the girls have disbanded and gone to ny.

Stay Safe.

JR.[/QUOTE]So they're shut down and you can't be more specific than "10 C"?

[QUOTE=PwHerman;2421447]John I just searched and the only info is from last years bust. Please provide link and / or source of your intel.[/QUOTE]I don't believe you'll find any police reports listed on this. They didn't arrest anyone. As I'm sure any of you super intelligent mongers can imagine in your little minds, all it takes is a strong threat from an authority to someone who holds no legal status to be here. Simply scare the living shit out of them. Period.

Is it so hard to understand that to many LE, particularly the small town cops, an AMP is more of a nuisance than anything? Sometimes it isn't a federally funded task force that brings the hammer down, it's the captains wife's' bridge club that carries the heaviest weight.

If I'm way out of line here, then so be it.

BTW, I got my info direct from a very scared AMP worker.

Try calling the number. Gee, does anyone need more verification than that?

Who knows? Maybe they'll make another go at it regardless of the threats. Money and greed can be more powerful than threats.

[QUOTE=Augustwest;2420737]So they're shut down and you can't be more specific than "10 C"?[/QUOTE]10 C, 1154, TS? How many clues do you need to point to the MetroWest, Framinghamnatick area? I didn't think it was masked that artfully. But then again, I am the one that wrote it.

I read this board every morning. I have never been to the majority of businesses that are discussed here. I have no intention of making visiting every one of them a bucket list goal, either. I pretty much stay within my own little world. I do not actually know where most of these places are. I don't go to Plymouth, Waltham, Everett, Middleborough, Quincy; I don't go to any of those places. Physically, they don't really mean anything to me.

HOWEVER, What I get from this board is a grasp on what is happening in the AMP world. To have an accurate and current understanding of what services are out there, LE activities, tipping practices, scams, ideas and ideology, suggestions. Being amongst like minded men. My primary hobby choice is providers. AMP's are just a supplement to me. But I do enjoy it.

When I have information that I feel may be beneficial to my fellow mongers, I post it. Take it for what it is.

If you have an attitude, you can always send me a PM.

How about we get back to reviewing AMPs.

[QUOTE=JohnReid;2421740]10 C, 1154, TS? How many clues do you need to point to the MetroWest, Framinghamnatick area? I didn't think it was masked that artfully. But then again, I am the one that wrote it.[/QUOTE]If, indeed, LE did close this place, then masking it only hides its identity from fellow readers, not the LE itself who know which AMP they closed.

[QUOTE=Pikachoo;2421876]If, indeed, LE did close this place, then masking it only hides its identity from fellow readers, not the LE itself who know which AMP they closed.[/QUOTE]I live in the metrowest area and read the forum and I haven't a clue where 10 C is or what it's name is. I am sure as above noted, LE does know. So who is kidding whom and who is helping whom? This be. S. With the initials and numbers is a stupid as the "code" for donations which is used by all the Captain Midnight types out there who miss using their old decoder rings.

OP.

[QUOTE=Pikachoo;2421876]If, indeed, LE did close this place, then masking it only hides its identity from fellow readers, not the LE itself who know which AMP they closed.[/QUOTE]Well stated and duly noted.

[QUOTE=NorthShore123;2421765]How about we get back to reviewing AMPs.[/QUOTE]Very well stated.