"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2215325]Blokes,

Just signed up for SA. Quickly stumble on this upbeat Boston girl. She was playful on email and fairly soon gave me her phone number for us to live chat a bit. She really stoke my ego, like a good SB should. Then she sent me a nice pic of her pre-run cleavage. So we setup a meeting one of those mornings. I get to her place and she welcomes me wearing a neglige showing massive cleavage and side boob. I'm thinking that it can't be that easy, and sure enough it wasn't. Turns out "slim" means different things to different people apparently. And her vocabulary would have been right at home at a truck stop. Plus the young lady has an extremely high opinion of herself. She needs her cocktails just so or she'll return them, etc. A princess really. She mentioned that her parents paid for everything until she was 26, so that explains a lot. The most I could pull off while I was there was a light foot rub. She flat out told me no sex on the first date. But she'd be happy to for $500 per week. I did manage to keep a straight face on, yet fairly soon departed. I let her know afterward that for $500 per week I could arrange a meeting with models who'd offer PSE, so I'll pass. Clearly this one hasn't flown on her own long enough. Folks in Boston, what is your experience of SB demands? Seems like college girls on the west coast can be satisfied with $100/ week. I doubt I can get that here, but any idea?

Thanks,

SM.[/QUOTE]SM, welcome to the SA SB world. You will find that most of the young ladies on that site have no real grasp of what they are worth. It will take some work on your part to weed thru them and find the ones that are realistic about life itself. When you read their profiles, pay close attention to what they say, don't just skim over it. Most of the time they will reveal themselves a bit. Also, I personally make it a policy to meet them the first time in a public place. Meet for a cocktail, dinner, coffee or whatever. But, never pay them to just show up. Cover the date expenses, but do not throw them money to sit and talk. In the past when they have asked if I am going to do that, I tell them to consider this like a job interview. A prospective employer does not pay you to come to an interview and neither do I. I also never take them to the FC on the first date. I never bring either the funds or covers. And yes, always make sure you have covers when you go to the FC. Surprising how many of these little gems forget that detail, sometimes on purpose.

Many will throw a high price out at you. I start out at $150 (I'm in the NYC area). Many will balk, but you will be surprised at how many will say yes. When they turn me down, I advise them they can see me on a regular basis at the lower donation or they can see nobody and hold out for the higher donation that will never come. Once in a while I hear back from one of them. And, always call it a donation, not a rate. SB's ask for a donation, ESCORTS have a rate.

Lastly, just be aware that finding a SB on SA that will be long term is probably not going to happen. All of the ones I have found over the years from there last anywhere from a couple of months to 1 year. Don't allow yourself to get emotionally involved. That will never end well. Always be in a position to say "NEXT!

Hope this stuff is helpful.

I think I know the answer from the collective wisdom but SB 21. Sweet gal but needy of money. Nothing extravagant but gas and extras. Decided she is not doing it for me but pleading for gas money. One last time for old time sake or cease, desist and go silent?

[QUOTE=Graham111;2216362]I think I know the answer from the collective wisdom but SB 21. Sweet gal but needy of money. Nothing extravagant but gas and extras. Decided she is not doing it for me but pleading for gas money. One last time for old time sake or cease, desist and go silent?[/QUOTE]My limited experience has taught me that once I donate money to put out a small fire for a former SB, the fkn forest fires start erupting on a regular basis. Learning to say no and reminding myself that, somehow, without my help they will survive was a hard lesson for me to learn. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

[QUOTE=Graham111;2216362]I think I know the answer from the collective wisdom but SB 21. Sweet gal but needy of money. Nothing extravagant but gas and extras. Decided she is not doing it for me but pleading for gas money. One last time for old time sake or cease, desist and go silent?[/QUOTE]Much harder to stop that once it starts. Best to go dark.

I have met a couple pots at furniture / design stores. Here how it goes. Somewhere in our conversation I ask about their sense of style so later I say. You know. I am looking to redo some things at my place and you really seem to have a grip on todays trends / styles. (compliment the way they dress etc. Blah. Blah. Blah. Just boost their ego) and say "I know this is a bit different but could we meet at "said furniture store" and maybe you can offer me some of your insight?

You boost her ego and do not even spend a dime to entertain her!. You can all send me 20% of what you save for your first mtgs. LOL.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2215658]It's not due to romance on my part. Of all the true SBs I've ever hooked up with, not one of them would have returned my text message if I said meet me in the hotel parking lot. In the cities / states I've operated in, only a UTR girl would do that.

I do like to "go out" for a little nightlife when I am out of town, but that's more for my own benefit than theirs. I don't get to go bar hopping much these days, so being able to do so in a town where nobody knows me with a hot young girl on my arm is a lot of fun, it's kind of like a vacation for me. It's fun to watch guys half my age hit on them and get shot down, while they sit back and watch someone old enough to be their dad with their tongue down the hotties throat. However, drinks+restaurant food+hotel can get expensive so I don't recommend it for full time SDs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2216391]Much harder to stop that once it starts. Best to go dark.[/QUOTE]I just cut off a woman I had been seeing for over a year for exactly this problem. I gave in a couple times, and my phone started going off the hook so I told her the ATM was closed. Shockingly. She said she could not see me this week she was busy "pawning her cloths to buy shampoo".

I did not lose any sleep. Lot's of fishy's in the sea.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2216948]I have met a couple pots at furniture / design stores. Here how it goes. Somewhere in our conversation I ask about their sense of style so later I say. You know. I am looking to redo some things at my place and you really seem to have a grip on todays trends / styles. (compliment the way they dress etc. Blah. Blah. Blah. Just boost their ego) and say "I know this is a bit different but could we meet at "said furniture store" and maybe you can offer me some of your insight?

You boost her ego and do not even spend a dime to entertain her!. You can all send me 20% of what you save for your first mtgs. LOL.[/QUOTE]It's not a bad idea, it's just that at most furniture stores there's usually a sales person that accosts you immediately as you walk in. So, it seems like after a while you'd either run out of furniture stores or be faced with the sales staff potentially walking up and saying "you again? Do you ever actually buy anything or just bring young girls in here to look around? " LOL. I did once meet an interior designer in a bar, and invited her back to my place to supposedly look at potentially doing some work. I definitely put her to work, but not in the way she might have expected. I never signed up for any remodeling work. But then again she had to have known what was in store for her coming to my house at 2 am after nightclubbing.

I like it! My ATF SB loved strolling through IKEA and other home design stores. It must feed their nesting instincts. And there are room vignettes set up with nooks and alcoves filled with beds, sofas, and chairs that can be amazing make out centers. You could bend her over the granite counter top of the 2 sink bathroom and try out the goods. IKEA even has it's own cafeteria/restaurant . Excellent idea !

My apartment, was awesome for meeting Pots shortly after a drink in the next door bar. Several girls said "no sex" the 1st meet. I suggested having a drink after dinner up there and it always led to the panties dropping. There is nothing like a few drinks, romantic music, and a slow cheek to cheek dance to change their minds.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2217052]I like it! My ATF SB loved strolling through IKEA and other home design stores. It must feed their nesting instincts. And there are room vignettes set up with nooks and alcoves filled with beds, sofas, and chairs that can be amazing make out centers. You could bend her over the granite counter top of the 2 sink bathroom and try out the goods. IKEA even has it's own cafeteria/restaurant . Excellent idea !

My apartment, was awesome for meeting Pots shortly after a drink in the next door bar. Several girls said "no sex" the 1st meet. I suggested having a drink after dinner up there and it always led to the panties dropping. There is nothing like a few drinks, romantic music, and a slow cheek to cheek dance to change their minds.[/QUOTE]You could tell her that one of companies that you're on the board of directors for is thinking about entering the retail women's lingerie space and you'd like to understand the industry a little better, then take her to Victoria's Secret to try on a few things and educate you on the differences. Be sure to use a fake name. LOL.

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Hope this stuff is helpful.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insights. It is helpful as it confirms my approach. With the $500/ wk girl I had opened with $150. I'll stick with that and see. Schlepping condoms is less fun though as that heightens the risk, but I guess it's better than the being stuck without. I presumably have a date setup for Friday, wish me luck. Do you guys always discuss donations / financial help amounts up-front? Sure might be a time saver. I wonder how often they look at you and go "well, he ain't that bad, that's worth a discount".

SlowMo.

I have been playing for about five-six years, but only found SA a couple of months ago. There is now no going back to the escort scene. I am fully converted and SA is my new religion.

I made one big mistake in the beginning, but I think now I am ok. I have two SB on a reasonable (not Hollywood-reasonable, but, from what I can tell, elsewhere reasonable) donation / rotation.

But here is a conundrum. I have recently met someone who has not done it before, and who I really like. I think it is mutual. We are meeting next week for a "practical meet". I suspect I can get a very sweet deal and get a 10/10. I do not want to lowball this person, as she is a proud and honest thing. However, I want to keep seeing other people, which means I cannot give her the best deal I can afford.

So I guess, my question is, how would you approach a first-timer, who is likely willing to have a committed one-on-one deal, without asking for one in return? Just a few qualifiers, my area has no escort scene, and a half-decent gal here asks (and gets) . 20-. 4 o h. I am thinking of $450/3 meets if she can meet at her place? I admit, I worry that if she feels like a $lut, she will just quit. And I want her to keep playing.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2217409]Thanks for the insights. It is helpful as it confirms my approach. With the $500/ wk girl I had opened with $150. I'll stick with that and see. Schlepping condoms is less fun though as that heightens the risk, but I guess it's better than the being stuck without. I presumably have a date setup for Friday, wish me luck. Do you guys always discuss donations / financial help amounts up-front? Sure might be a time saver. I wonder how often they look at you and go "well, he ain't that bad, that's worth a discount".

SlowMo.[/QUOTE]Upfront only. Don't want to spoil the mood later.

I often use the approach " I am not rich but do reasonably well and can spoil some and definitely are interested in us pursuing a long term situation. May I ask what you had in mind?. She will do one of 3 things. Give you a number in your range then you say. Sounds good! At. Give you a number that you can not meet and then just say "I would like to be able to do so but I unfortunately do have to stay on some kind of budget would "xxx' WORK FOR YOU?. THEN SHE SAWS SURE OR F-OFF YOU CHEAPSH&T. LOL. Or say. What can you do to help?. In that case just give her for XXX maybe less 20% so you have room to increase if need be.

[QUOTE=JeanSaulPartre;2217549]I have been playing for about five-six years, but only found SA a couple of months ago. There is now no going back to the escort scene. I am fully converted and SA is my new religion.

I made one big mistake in the beginning, but I think now I am ok. I have two SB on a reasonable (not Hollywood-reasonable, but, from what I can tell, elsewhere reasonable) donation / rotation.

But here is a conundrum. I have recently met someone who has not done it before, and who I really like. I think it is mutual. We are meeting next week for a "practical meet". I suspect I can get a very sweet deal and get a 10/10. I do not want to lowball this person, as she is a proud and honest thing. However, I want to keep seeing other people, which means I cannot give her the best deal I can afford.

So I guess, my question is, how would you approach a first-timer, who is likely willing to have a committed one-on-one deal, without asking for one in return? Just a few qualifiers, my area has no escort scene, and a half-decent gal here asks (and gets) . 20-. 4 o h. I am thinking of $450/3 meets if she can meet at her place? I admit, I worry that if she feels like a $lut, she will just quit. And I want her to keep playing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeanSaulPartre;2217549]I have been playing for about five-six years, but only found SA a couple of months ago. There is now no going back to the escort scene. I am fully converted and SA is my new religion.

I made one big mistake in the beginning, but I think now I am ok. I have two SB on a reasonable (not Hollywood-reasonable, but, from what I can tell, elsewhere reasonable) donation / rotation.

But here is a conundrum. I have recently met someone who has not done it before, and who I really like. I think it is mutual. We are meeting next week for a "practical meet". I suspect I can get a very sweet deal and get a 10/10. I do not want to lowball this person, as she is a proud and honest thing. However, I want to keep seeing other people, which means I cannot give her the best deal I can afford.

So I guess, my question is, how would you approach a first-timer, who is likely willing to have a committed one-on-one deal, without asking for one in return? Just a few qualifiers, my area has no escort scene, and a half-decent gal here asks (and gets) . 20-. 4 o h. I am thinking of $450/3 meets if she can meet at her place? I admit, I worry that if she feels like a $lut, she will just quit. And I want her to keep playing.[/QUOTE]To add to Mike's scenario is a 3rd likelihood. She will answer " what do you recommend " or "what do most people get " ? You just need to put your recommendation up front and hope for the best. If this girl is that great you can cut one loose from the rotation and spend more on her. $450 is probably reasonable but offer $350 which gives you room to come up and look magnanimous. If she is new and hasn't gotten contaminated by the BS on the SA Blog and infected with GPS you might luck out. Keep us posted.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2214040]Yeah, I noticed this. Very lame, it basically means you can't just disable your account temporarily, you either have to tolerate getting mails you won't be able to read until you are a paying member again, or delete your account. I'm not sure how that works for the SB since they don't have to pay at all -- I assume they can still hide themselves from searches and reappear as needed.

We should complain.[/QUOTE]I have two accounts (to check for two-timers I email SB's I'm seeing from the second account) and I set them both as "unsearchable" last night. You can't hide your last login date, and girls who have already contacted / favorited you (or who you have contacted / favorited) can still see your profile, but you shouldn't get hits from new pots.

Maybe SA got too much negative feedback and changed back to the old policy in the few days since you posted about it, Jeez and UKnow.

Ok, so the soaps continue here. Just in case anyone else out there can learn from my poor choices in the bowl, I figured I'd give you all an update.

So I dumped SB#1 who turned real relationship, wanted marriage and kids, the entire deal. At 21 it's not going to happen. Her initial reaction was probably A-typical. She cried, pleaded, cried some more, texted me, send emails, sent photos, etc all in attempts to yank on my heart strings. I kept contact evasive, but wrote back more to "feel her out" as I knew the anger phase would hit next. And I was right. Now mommy and daddy and big bad uncle want to "have a word" with me, over how I dumped their loved one. I warned her if she went ugly, I'd run her past out in the face of everyone. Or if she meddles in my private affairs which I believe is still coming. What a mess! Why can't these young girls just go fuck someone else and move along?

So far, she has not shown up at my work or front door, but I believe she will try that next. If she does, or her family does, the gloves come off. I will take that as a threat. These people are nuts!

Learn from my mistakes brothers! I need to get past this and then get back in the bowl where I belong! .

Had date # 6 with my long distance webcam baby. I guess I will just have to be resigned to the fact that I may only get to see her a couple times a month. Too bad as she has a killer body and knows how to use it. For now she is a 8/9/9/8. Here is a promo pic from one of her videos. She is actually a very normal girl, not seeing anyone but me for now as far as I know.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2217882]Had date # 6 with my long distance webcam baby. I guess I will just have to be resigned to the fact that I may only get to see her a couple times a month. Too bad as she has a killer body and knows how to use it. For now she is a 8/9/9/8. Here is a promo pic from one of her videos. She is actually a very normal girl, not seeing anyone but me for now as far as I know.[/QUOTE]You. Lucky. F*&ng. Bastard.

This gal emails me on SA. Her profile says much older (41), but thin. We message a bit where she's brief and not very playful. She claims to exercise daily, and has a cute face, so I figure, why not, maybe she's just looking for some action. I meet her for lunch, which she shows up for. Well, gentlemen, 41 turns out to be more like 51. She must have been really hot in her 20's, but there's no denying the age factor. Lunch was uneventful as it's difficult to talk candidly in the middle of a crowded restaurant. She claimed to be late back at work and promptly bolted. She then emailed expressing an interest in pursuing, but she cannot host and her schedule does not sync with mine. I learned all this bit by damned little bit over many messages, to which I thought f-it, I'm done with her. She messaged back three days ago proposing a time that does not work for me, but I've been letting her stew on it. I have no real interest at this point. I can't imagine paying for a hotel for a woman that should pay me for sex. Wonder if I should at least find out what the action's like.

-SlowMo.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2217829]but wrote back more to "feel her out"[/QUOTE]Dude just feeling her out is also called stirring the pot just stop LOL and she knows where you work and live ouch.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2218155]This gal emails me on SA. Her profile says much older (41), but thin. We message a bit where she's brief and not very playful. She claims to exercise daily, and has a cute face, so I figure, why not, maybe she's just looking for some action. I meet her for lunch, which she shows up for. Well, gentlemen, 41 turns out to be more like 51. She must have been really hot in her 20's, but there's no denying the age factor. Lunch was uneventful as it's difficult to talk candidly in the middle of a crowded restaurant. She claimed to be late back at work and promptly bolted. She then emailed expressing an interest in pursuing, but she cannot host and her schedule does not sync with mine. I learned all this bit by damned little bit over many messages, to which I thought f-it, I'm done with her. She messaged back three days ago proposing a time that does not work for me, but I've been letting her stew on it. I have no real interest at this point. I can't imagine paying for a hotel for a woman that should pay me for sex. Wonder if I should at least find out what the action's like.

-SlowMo.[/QUOTE]Not if it involves paying for a room. Offer $ max if she has a killer body, all things considered. My MILF is 47 and going strong.

Got an unexpected visit from my recently broken up with but still seeing, little princess (all 100 lbs of her). She came au natural, as in no makeup, and super casual, but I can never resist her.

I had a similar experience before. After some self-struggling, I decided not to even try since I want to use my $ and energy (little head) wisely. I had experience w / a older MILF, and she paid for everything. .

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2218155]This gal emails me on SA. Her profile says much older (41), but thin. We message a bit where she's brief and not very playful. She claims to exercise daily, and has a cute face, so I figure, why not, maybe she's just looking for some action. I meet her for lunch, which she shows up for. Well, gentlemen, 41 turns out to be more like 51. She must have been really hot in her 20's, but there's no denying the age factor. Lunch was uneventful as it's difficult to talk candidly in the middle of a crowded restaurant. She claimed to be late back at work and promptly bolted. She then emailed expressing an interest in pursuing, but she cannot host and her schedule does not sync with mine. I learned all this bit by damned little bit over many messages, to which I thought f-it, I'm done with her. She messaged back three days ago proposing a time that does not work for me, but I've been letting her stew on it. I have no real interest at this point. I can't imagine paying for a hotel for a woman that should pay me for sex. Wonder if I should at least find out what the action's like.

-SlowMo.[/QUOTE]

My observation:

1) Cities have lot more choices and easy to find SB.

2) More flexibility and easy to find first timers or one timers too.

3) Small cities don't have too many choices and too much communication.

Well, I have had few out of town travel lucks recently to another big city. Wow, what an experience and easy to find a quality, young SB. Makes business travel more exciting, LOL.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2218155]This gal emails me on SA. Her profile says much older (41), but thin. We message a bit where she's brief and not very playful. She claims to exercise daily, and has a cute face, so I figure, why not, maybe she's just looking for some action. I meet her for lunch, which she shows up for. Well, gentlemen, 41 turns out to be more like 51. She must have been really hot in her 20's, but there's no denying the age factor. Lunch was uneventful as it's difficult to talk candidly in the middle of a crowded restaurant. She claimed to be late back at work and promptly bolted. She then emailed expressing an interest in pursuing, but she cannot host and her schedule does not sync with mine. I learned all this bit by damned little bit over many messages, to which I thought f-it, I'm done with her. She messaged back three days ago proposing a time that does not work for me, but I've been letting her stew on it. I have no real interest at this point. I can't imagine paying for a hotel for a woman that should pay me for sex. Wonder if I should at least find out what the action's like.

-SlowMo.[/QUOTE]Move on. If I read correctly between the lines, you are not into her at all. Why spend the money to go to the FC and confirm that. That is funds you will not have to spend on a SB you find yourself connecting with. I would tell her thanks, but it seems our schedules are just not going to work out and leave it at that.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2218707]My observation:

1) Cities have lot more choices and easy to find SB.

2) More flexibility and easy to find first timers or one timers too.

3) Small cities don't have too many choices and too much communication.

Well, I have had few out of town travel lucks recently to another big city. Wow, what an experience and easy to find a quality, young SB. Makes business travel more exciting, LOL.[/QUOTE]I won't do it any other way. Just the comfort of not needing to look over my shoulder makes out of town sex that much more worthwhile. I was recently walking around during a big public event with my GF, gawking at all the nice young pussy around whenever the GF turned her head and thinking about what a great SB some of them would make. In the two hours we were there, I saw one ex-GF, one near miss, and my GF saw several people she knew.

I thought about all those times I saw the profile of some nice young SB that was only 15-20 minutes away. There were a couple of times I almost caved into temptation, one of them was a 18 yr old sending me naked pics (perfect body) and even had a place she could host, but I decided against it simply because she was too close to home. I'm glad I kept thinking with the head upstairs rather than the one downstairs, otherwise I would feel like a prisoner every time I went somewhere in public with my GF.

Gents,

The older lady I previously referenced replied with her conditions for FC. I won't talk about the amount just yet because I don't know if she meant per visit or per month, but I think she means per visit, which would equate to a very nice mortgage payment. I'll check with her without expressing judgment, but I believe the girl might be insane. Or her target market is the 70 yrs old crowd who can't do younger (if there's even such a thing).

On a more positive side, I had a drink date with young gal #3. We met at a nearby furniture store and headed over for drinks. Very pretty girl, shy, obviously new at this. I didn't think she was interested at the end of the date when she offered to split the bill, and then extended her hand when we parted even though I hugged her when we met. But she confirmed her desire to press on via email. Real green I suspect. Unfortunately, she's not opened to meeting at her place. I just let her know that our next date needs to be physical. We'll see how she reacts. She's fun enough to be around, but we're not doing this to meet new friends, right? I'm starting to see why you vets don't waste any time.

I've been emailing with girls #4 and 5, but I swear neither can read. I suggested three different times / days to girl #4. She replied: let me check my schedule. That was a week ago. Today she emails asking if I'm getting her messages!? I f*&ing hate that as I'm a careful communicator with them, more so than on these forums. Likewise, I told girl #5 of my availability. Yet she's been emailing me nearly everyday asking me if I can meet, when it's black and white that I cannot. That chick will never, ever get the "substantial" (per SA) sugar she's looking for. I can't imagine anyone putting up with this nonsense. Got to kiss a lot of frogs I guess.

-SlowMo.

P.S. If this is not the purpose of this forum, please let me know. Not looking to bore you guys.

I follow this board more for the entertainment value than any thing else now. I dipped into the bowl a couple of times and found based on my experience that it was too much work for little results. Just me I guess but don't stop relating your thoughts and adventures. It does have value.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2219972]Gents,

The older lady I previously referenced replied with her conditions for FC. I won't talk about the amount just yet because I don't know if she meant per visit or per month, but I think she means per visit, which would equate to a very nice mortgage payment. I'll check with her without expressing judgment, but I believe the girl might be insane. Or her target market is the 70 yrs old crowd who can't do younger (if there's even such a thing).

On a more positive side, I had a drink date with young gal #3. We met at a nearby furniture store and headed over for drinks. Very pretty girl, shy, obviously new at this. I didn't think she was interested at the end of the date when she offered to split the bill, and then extended her hand when we parted even though I hugged her when we met. But she confirmed her desire to press on via email. Real green I suspect. Unfortunately, she's not opened to meeting at her place. I just let her know that our next date needs to be physical. We'll see how she reacts. She's fun enough to be around, but we're not doing this to meet new friends, right? I'm starting to see why you vets don't waste any time.

I've been emailing with girls #4 and 5, but I swear neither can read. I suggested three different times / days to girl #4. She replied: let me check my schedule. That was a week ago. Today she emails asking if I'm getting her messages!? I f*&ing hate that as I'm a careful communicator with them, more so than on these forums. Likewise, I told girl #5 of my availability. Yet she's been emailing me nearly everyday asking me if I can meet, when it's black and white that I cannot. That chick will never, ever get the "substantial" (per SA) sugar she's looking for. I can't imagine anyone putting up with this nonsense. Got to kiss a lot of frogs I guess.

-SlowMo.

P.S. If this is not the purpose of this forum, please let me know. Not looking to bore you guys.[/QUOTE]Its a big numbers game to get a quality SB. Do a minimum of one or possibly 2 M and G a week if you can. I had a slam dunk FC visit tonite with a 19 year old newbie that claims she hasnt had any dick in 4 months. Just as I step out of the shower my MILF calls crying that she needs me. So I have to bang her instead. These are the quality problems you will encounter down the road. Stick with it and report back often.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2219972]Gents,

The older lady I previously referenced replied with her conditions for FC. I won't talk about the amount just yet because I don't know if she meant per visit or per month, but I think she means per visit, which would equate to a very nice mortgage payment. I'll check with her without expressing judgment, but I believe the girl might be insane. Or her target market is the 70 yrs old crowd who can't do younger (if there's even such a thing).[/QUOTE]Just confirmed with MILF. She wants $500 per visit, which, around these parts, also get you PSE with a model. I don't think there is much value in pointing that out as it won't make me look too good. I think I'll just let her know what budget I had in mind and see. The odds of this leading to anything are quickly approaching zero. If anyone has a creative and / or delicate way to address that, I'd listen to a tip.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2220660]Just confirmed with MILF. She wants $500 per visit, which, around these parts, also get you PSE with a model. I don't think there is much value in pointing that out as it won't make me look too good. I think I'll just let her know what budget I had in mind and see. The odds of this leading to anything are quickly approaching zero. If anyone has a creative and / or delicate way to address that, I'd listen to a tip.[/QUOTE]When girls tell me stuff like that, I just say "sorry, you are way over my budget". Thats it. Speaking of MILF's. This one calls me up and says its her birthday, can she come over. I,m like OK. I still have that 19 year old waiting to bang me. But I figure she'll come over, say Hi and leave an hour later. She shows up shit face drunk, says she wants to fuck, has another drink, gets sick in the bathroom and passes out in my bed. So I have to call the 19 year old and she is in like disbelief. So I sent her a pic of her passed out in my bed so she wouldn't think I was lying. She is still hoping the girl sobers up and leaves so I can come get her and take her back to the FC later tonite. Drunk girl pictured. LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2220673]When girls tell me stuff like that, I just say "sorry, you are way over my budget". Thats it. Speaking of MILF's. This one calls me up and says its her birthday, can she come over. I,m like OK. I still have that 19 year old waiting to bang me. But I figure she'll come over, say Hi and leave an hour later. She shows up shit face drunk, says she wants to fuck, has another drink, gets sick in the bathroom and passes out in my bed. So I have to call the 19 year old and she is in like disbelief. So I sent her a pic of her passed out in my bed so she wouldn't think I was lying. She is still hoping the girl sobers up and leaves so I can come get her and take her back to the FC later tonite. Drunk girl pictured. LOL.[/QUOTE]You know Hollywood your posts are often times like a really good TV series. The kind where something is going on that makes the reader anxious to see your next post, to find out what happened from your previous post! I will stay tuned and enjoy finding out how the "drunk-girl-passed-out-on-Hollywood's-bed" episode ends!

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2220684]You know Hollywood your posts are often times like a really good TV series. The kind where something is going on that makes the reader anxious to see your next post, to find out what happened from your previous post! I will stay tuned and enjoy finding out how the "drunk-girl-passed-out-on-Hollywood's-bed" episode ends![/QUOTE]Well she finally woke up about 8 and said she wanted to fuck, but she had her hand out (and her tits. LOL). I really didn't care that it was her birthday (28) or that my clothes were already off, and declined. She said she would drop by after work tomorrow to hang out, so we will see what happens. This is a girl I over compensated in the past so I told her if she wants any dick it has to be civi style from now on. Anyway I kept the 19 year old updated and finally made it over to the M & G at the strip mall parking lot near her home. We talked for 90 minutes in the car interspersed with enough making out and roaming OTC to make an FC date for Friday.

This girl was maybe a 7/7/9/8 in the car and I am positive she will be a star performer in the FC. She said her main objective was to find a guy that can take her from being a girl to being a woman. She wants to learn it all and get her sexual self confidence up. She also told me not to hold back and bang away. She is perfect for what I am looking for. Celibate for 4 months. Doesn't want a BF, and doesn't want to be wined and dined. She just wants the best sex she can possibly have with someone that won't judge her and that she can feel comfortable with.

Isn't that what any sane person wants?

She has been txting me the whole time while I write this. She is so excited to start attending Hollywoods School for Girls she is not even trying to act cool about it. A true NP first timer. I was a little shakey about the M and G because I wasn't sure she was gonna be sexy enough. But its amazing how sexy a girl can look when you know she cant wait to get your dick in her mouth and between her legs for the sheer joy of it (and a little sugar ($) never hurts either).

Here is her pic (all 5' 2" of her).

Hi, first time poster here. Started sugaring a couple of months ago (Hampton Roads) and have had some amazing dates (my share of fails too). Glad I stumbled upon this board. Thought I would pass this one along in case anyone feels like getting their kink on. She goes by the name of flirtin70 on SA, based in Roanoke. She contacted me through my profile and we switched to regular email. She has sent me over a dozen pics and three vids of things like using a sprite bottle as a dildo. I'm afraid I would fall in. Heads up, if you contact her she will blow up your inbox. Glad I did not give her my phone number (but I do have hers, message me if you want it). Thanks to all for the interesting comments and good advice.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2215619]I have the same problem. Any other ideas? I like Hollywood's approach. JL is correct about acceptable meeting places but are not doable for local guys. I took a cute youngster to an upscale neighborhood eatery near her school against my better judgement. I spent $60 and was looking around the whole time wondering who knows who I am and will call the SO. It isn't worth it. To boot she wants to "court" before having sex. Next! Wasted $$ and took an unnecessary risk.[/QUOTE]I always state very early on in the chat that the need for discretion and if we are going to be anywhere near my abode, going to a restaurant / bar / coffee shop is not remotely doable.

With this particular POT I suggested the mall as well as a couple of big box stores. I know a lot of people in my area so "running" into someone in a public place like the mall could easily be explained. Sitting down in a restaurant cannot as I have no reason from a personal or business reason to do so.

My two successful SBs meets were in parking lots. Heck, the 2nd one just wanted me to pick her up in my car off the street (dangerous on her part).

Most of you are targeting the young ones and I don't blame you but I am 60 so anything less than 45 is young to me. I am tapping four SBs right now (29 blonde single mom, 34 asian single mom (amazing), and a 49 year old divorcee that is an orgasm queen. She has some kind of medical condition that makes her go O right away and just keeps on going, I'd like to think it was me of course but she's just that way, never seen anything like it). Going to Richmond tomorrow night to meet a separated 44 y / o. Based on our communications to date I'm sure we will end up in the FC. I'm still looking to hit some of those young coeds so many of you are enjoying but for now I am enjoying the charms of the older gals. Will report again after tomorrow nights engagement.

Follow up. Of course the drunk girl didn't come over after work today. And the NP from last night wanted to see me but fell asleep at 9. My x "the princess" had a bday party today with her family so she came over after and gave me a 10 minute quickie before going home. I actually hate quickies. But I.ll take what I can get.

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2221712]Most of you are targeting the young ones and I don't blame you but I am 60 so anything less than 45 is young to me. I am tapping four SBs right now (29 blonde single mom, 34 asian single mom (amazing), and a 49 year old divorcee that is an orgasm queen. She has some kind of medical condition that makes her go O right away and just keeps on going, I'd like to think it was me of course but she's just that way, never seen anything like it). Going to Richmond tomorrow night to meet a separated 44 y / o. Based on our communications to date I'm sure we will end up in the FC. I'm still looking to hit some of those young coeds so many of you are enjoying but for now I am enjoying the charms of the older gals. Will report again after tomorrow nights engagement.[/QUOTE]I think the main point is that with women over age 30 and especially over aged 40, they become desperate and are easily obtained in the civy world. So why pay for it? The roles typically are reversed and may very well be natures way of getting revenge. Haha. When women are in their twenties, they can have any man they want, swatting men off like flies. After about age 30, they actually have to offer something and become nice if they want to keep a man around. By age 40, they are thrown into a whole new relationship perspective they simply cannot understand. About aged 35-40 is where a lot of former stuck up bitches become nice! Why? Because they have to!

So my point is, you should still be going after the young sugar! 19-28. They are everywhere. You will not relate with them in any way, but you can still have great sex with a young hard body and many, if not most enjoy it.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2222041]I think the main point is that with women over age 30 and especially over aged 40, they become desperate and are easily obtained in the civy world. So why pay for it? The roles typically are reversed and may very well be natures way of getting revenge. Haha. When women are in their twenties, they can have any man they want, swatting men off like flies. After about age 30, they actually have to offer something and become nice if they want to keep a man around. By age 40, they are thrown into a whole new relationship perspective they simply cannot understand. About aged 35-40 is where a lot of former stuck up bitches become nice! Why? Because they have to!

So my point is, you should still be going after the young sugar! 19-28. They are everywhere. You will not relate with them in any way, but you can still have great sex with a young hard body and many, if not most enjoy it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2221712]Most of you are targeting the young ones and I don't blame you but I am 60 so anything less than 45 is young to me. I am tapping four SBs right now (29 blonde single mom, 34 asian single mom (amazing), and a 49 year old divorcee that is an orgasm queen. She has some kind of medical condition that makes her go O right away and just keeps on going, I'd like to think it was me of course but she's just that way, never seen anything like it). Going to Richmond tomorrow night to meet a separated 44 y / o. Based on our communications to date I'm sure we will end up in the FC. I'm still looking to hit some of those young coeds so many of you are enjoying but for now I am enjoying the charms of the older gals. Will report again after tomorrow nights engagement.[/QUOTE]I,m 60 and I like to average about 20. But anything in the early twenties is cool and easy if not easier to get than any other age group for me.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2222041]I think the main point is that with women over age 30 and especially over aged 40, they become desperate and are easily obtained in the civy world. So why pay for it? The roles typically are reversed and may very well be natures way of getting revenge. Haha. When women are in their twenties, they can have any man they want, swatting men off like flies. After about age 30, they actually have to offer something and become nice if they want to keep a man around. By age 40, they are thrown into a whole new relationship perspective they simply cannot understand. About aged 35-40 is where a lot of former stuck up bitches become nice! Why? Because they have to!

So my point is, you should still be going after the young sugar! 19-28. They are everywhere. You will not relate with them in any way, but you can still have great sex with a young hard body and many, if not most enjoy it.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice Deeds. I'll start looking in that range now. Nothing to lose right?