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[QUOTE=AMP Fme; 1674318]Another situation where I really don't have a dog in this hunt, but sticking my nose in anyway. Erica took all her good stock and left? No plans on coming back to atlanta? Then why was there a link posted here from 4 February with her phone and instructions to contact her? Kinda serious situation for mongers that use Erica "IF" there is someone using her name and requesting the same crap that she requested.

FWIW, I have never seen any of her girls and have no intention as I refuse to give out the level of info she insists on getting; especially when she threatened to hang up on mongers that called without the info or that asked wrong questions. And then promised to call them back just to cuss them out. Oh, she also has stated she would not answer any calls from blocked numbers either. I am not kidding, I have seen words come right out and say exactly that in some of her ads. Yep, that kinda advertising always makes me want to party (still not kidding, just being very sarcastic.) That is not a slam on some of you guys that like her girls and value that they offer, just not my preference.[/QUOTE]She left on the 5th. We were talking about it when I was visiting Haley on the 4th. Better money in Pittsburgh where she is now. Tons of providers won't answer blocked calls, and it's really really easy to create a fake I'd in Photoshop, good enough to email / text a copy. As I said before you know any white spinners that have the same value Im down for some 411

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[QUOTE=Riceracerx; 1674386]She left on the 5th. We were talking about it when I was visiting Haley on the 4th. Better money in Pittsburgh where she is now. Tons of providers won't answer blocked calls, and it's really really easy to create a fake I'd in Photoshop, good enough to email / text a copy. As I said before you know any white spinners that have the same value I'm down for some 411.

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[url]http://pittsburgh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/two-girl-jacuzzi-sessions-100-18/13821640[/url][/QUOTE]Thank you for explaining dates.

Like I mentioned, I never went there, but it was my understanding that she checked I'd's at a guy's first visit. If so, the photoshop I'd is pretty easy to detect or would take more work than I would be willing to put in. Apparently she did / does not check I'd after agreeing to appointment or was not that observant. Never considered photoshop I'd for texting and email before. And while it sounds like common sense, got to admit, the thought never ocurred to me. I am pretty careful about what info I share and to whom (fake or otherwise.)

I get it that I am nitpicking here, she is advertising same rates in Pittsburgh as she did in Atl (based on BP ads) so perhaps not better money per se but more guys willing to accept her business practices? I doubt Atl has seen the last of Erica or her girls.

As for white spinners that offer the same value, sorry, no suggestions pop to mind at present. I prefer a different demographic, but hopefully someone else can PM you suggestions that are beyond TOFTT type of reccos. In the meantime, at least you have your car chick magnet going for you. Good hunting.

PS to Admin, what is wrong with using the letters I and D to abbreviate the word identification? Going to have to go check the urban dictionary to see what else those acronyms inappropriately mean.

[QUOTE=Riceracerx; 1674290]Me as well, but she's taken all her good stock and left. No plans on coming back to atlanta.

Her girls were hot and provided a unique service, anyone know any young hot providers that will do the same?[/QUOTE]How do you know she left for good? Her last ad on BP was posted February 4th.

[QUOTE=Riceracerx; 1674386]She left on the 5th. We were talking about it when I was visiting Haley on the 4th. Better money in Pittsburgh where she is now. Tons of providers won't answer blocked calls, and it's really really easy to create a fake I'd in Photoshop, good enough to email / text a copy. As I said before you know any white spinners that have the same value I'm down for some 411.

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[url]http://pittsburgh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/two-girl-jacuzzi-sessions-100-18/13821640[/url][/QUOTE]In the last year or two, Erica has been floating between Pittsburgh and Atlanta, so chances are she'll be back when the LE heat is on her up there.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1674477]In the last year or two, Erica has been floating between Pittsburgh and Atlanta, so chances are she'll be back when the LE heat is on her up there.[/QUOTE]I hope so, I don't know of any other girls that are PSE friendly.

Can't sleep.

Like all of us, I'm bothered by what an unbelievably shitty business infrastructure our hobby has to support it. I mean, really, it takes the proverbial cake: most of the marketing is duplicitous; third party reviews are, by and large, for crap, as well as being saddled with endemic conflicts of interest; pricing is largely independent of market realities. I could go on, of course.

It's terrible on the provider side, as well: sinister, even malevolent, managers; no benefits; unpredictable earnings; no future. Escorting is one of the few businesses in which prospects diminish with experience (like contact sports, I suppose).

Now, something which always interests me is an industry in need of a makeover; the turnaround potential for escorting is pretty huge.

Some ideas:

- We need a reliable source of reviews. We need to be sure that reviewers have actually seen the girls in question, so reviews need to be somehow linked to the actual hiring of the escort. Also, even a well intentioned reviewer might not provide valuable intel, because tastes vary: I like skinny 18 year old spinners, so the reviews of someone who likes "thick" girls might be useless or, worse, misleading to me; we need a way of classifying reviewers based on taste in a way which provides individualized feedback for a given searcher (maybe by having a system of reviewing reviewers). Imagine a combined escort advertising and review site, in which the ads themselves are indexed to their reviews, and reviews can only be posted for girls hired through the site. Moreover, the transaction would be escrowed and anonymized to prevent rip-offs and preserve the anonymity of the reviews.

So, you'd go to the site, browse or enter search criteria (which would be informed by review data and corrected for te browser's individual tastes) , contact and pay for the girl through the site, meet, and then you could enter review data afterwards. The escort could even be provided with performance feedback so she could improve her game, would be legally protected by the screening function of the site, and so on.

Sort of Amazon for escorts, only with a more sophisticated reviewing system.

- The industry itself needs standards. There needs to be a private oversight body which "certifies" escorts and agencies. There needs to be training (based on review feedback, since there are recurrent themes in what clients like) , benefits, legal counsel. I really believe if people feel safe and appreciated, they do a better job regardless of the nature of the job. There really needs to be some kind of recommended enterprise best practices for the agencies.

Part of me is tempted to tackle at least certain aspects of these, like devising a pre-packaged franchise for setting up and running an agency in a professional, responsible manner. The advertising / review site intrigues me also.

I'm considering setting aside $10k to explore some possibilities (like hiring some coding guys to develop the review personalization algorithm) , but I'm interested in community suggestions.

Call it market research?

O.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias; 1674867]Can't sleep. (snipped)

O.[/QUOTE]Seen many attempts at building better mousetrap in this space. I could write pages about mistakes made but I'll summarize:

Here's the rub: all of the "quality features" you suggest usually fly in the face of building a big site that generates a critical mass of users, reviews, and advertising dollars (revenue).

Not saying it can't be done but it hasn't. And if you are running a site with the primary objective of maximizing profits you'll do what most do & dumb the quality down and take as many advertising dollars as you are offered.

[QUOTE=Riceracerx;1674480]I hope so, I don't know of any other girls that are PSE friendly.[/QUOTE]Sent you a PM.

Some good ideas and definitely thought provoking.

Standardizing the industry, benefits etc.

Lots of countries has legalized or decriminalized prostitution. Not just Holland, but countries like Australia. The girls pay taxes, get social security benefits, can pay into healthcare services etc. In Europe there is even a union, I think that it's called the working girl's congress or something. BTW their preferred name is "working girl" not escort or prostitute, interesting.

Out in Nevada at the various ranches, similar kinda deal. They pay taxes, get some benefits etc.

Therein lies the rub. Outside of the top 5% of girls who make very high $$$, the rest have zero inclination to be mainstream and pay taxes etc. Cash in hand, no questions, anonymity rule.

Challenge really is that all of this this is predicated on a government that is not puritanical and recognizes that this is always going to be an industry that exists and better to control it than drive it underground. Not going to happen any time soon I fear, and certainly not in e Bible Belt.

On reviews:

Challenge that you raise is not just limited to the hobby. Any review site out there falls foul of the same subjectivity that you mention, YELP, Amazon, tripadvisor all have the same issues. Typically only people that have really really good or really really bad experiences post reviews. These might be indicative of the general population that uses that particular product or service or could be anomalous.

That's why unfortunately the volume of reviews is equally as important as the details. A bigger statistical sampling smooths out the outliers and give a better view of the thing being reviewed, in this case pu$$why.

Frankly, if you manage to crack that particular nut and get some tool or algorithm to normalize reviews, your opportunity to serve industries beyond the hobby are vast and You should make lots and lots of money doing that.

Good ideas, keep thinking about them and share here, who knows maybe well solve some broader issues and all get hugely wealthy (and be able to buy more pu$$why than ever.)

[QUOTE=Ozymandias; 1674867]Can't sleep.

Like all of us, I'm bothered by what an unbelievably shitty business infrastructure our hobby has to support it. I mean, really, it takes the proverbial cake: most of the marketing is duplicitous; third party reviews are, by and large, for crap, as well as being saddled with endemic conflicts of interest; pricing is largely independent of market realities. I could go on, of course.

It's terrible on the provider side, as well: sinister, even malevolent, managers; no benefits; unpredictable earnings; no future. Escorting is one of the few businesses in which prospects diminish with experience (like contact sports, I suppose).

Now, something which always interests me is an industry in need of a makeover; the turnaround potential for escorting is pretty huge.

Some ideas:

- We need a reliable source of reviews. We need to be sure that reviewers have actually seen the girls in question, so reviews need to be somehow linked to the actual hiring of the escort. Also, even a well intentioned reviewer might not provide valuable intel, because tastes vary: I like skinny 18 year old spinners, so the reviews of someone who likes "thick" girls might be useless or, worse, misleading to me; we need a way of classifying reviewers based on taste in a way which provides individualized feedback for a given searcher (maybe by having a system of reviewing reviewers). Imagine a combined escort advertising and review site, in which the ads themselves are indexed to their reviews, and reviews can only be posted for girls hired through the site. Moreover, the transaction would be escrowed and anonymized to prevent rip-offs and preserve the anonymity of the reviews.

So, you'd go to the site, browse or enter search criteria (which would be informed by review data and corrected for te browser's individual tastes) , contact and pay for the girl through the site, meet, and then you could enter review data afterwards. The escort could even be provided with performance feedback so she could improve her game, would be legally protected by the screening function of the site, and so on.

Sort of Amazon for escorts, only with a more sophisticated reviewing system.

- The industry itself needs standards. There needs to be a private oversight body which "certifies" escorts and agencies. There needs to be training (based on review feedback, since there are recurrent themes in what clients like) , benefits, legal counsel. I really believe if people feel safe and appreciated, they do a better job regardless of the nature of the job. There really needs to be some kind of recommended enterprise best practices for the agencies.

Part of me is tempted to tackle at least certain aspects of these, like devising a pre-packaged franchise for setting up and running an agency in a professional, responsible manner. The advertising / review site intrigues me also.

I'm considering setting aside $10k to explore some possibilities (like hiring some coding guys to develop the review personalization algorithm) , but I'm interested in community suggestions.

Call it market research?

O.[/QUOTE]

Interesting the board posting software replace "wh0re" with "working girl"

Guess that word is considered offensive.

[QUOTE=Xxxx9998; 1675811]Some good ideas and definitely thought provoking.

Standardizing the industry, benefits etc.

Lots of countries has legalized or decriminalized prostitution. Not just Holland, but countries like Australia. The girls pay taxes, get social security benefits, can pay into healthcare services etc. In Europe there is even a union, I think that it's called the working girl's congress or something. BTW their preferred name is "working girl" not escort or prostitute, interesting.

Out in Nevada at the various ranches, similar kinda deal. They pay taxes, get some benefits etc.

Therein lies the rub. Outside of the top 5% of girls who make very high $$$, the rest have zero inclination to be mainstream and pay taxes etc. Cash in hand, no questions, anonymity rule.

Challenge really is that all of this this is predicated on a government that is not puritanical and recognizes that this is always going to be an industry that exists and better to control it than drive it underground. Not going to happen any time soon I fear, and certainly not in e Bible Belt.

On reviews:

Challenge that you raise is not just limited to the hobby. Any review site out there falls foul of the same subjectivity that you mention, YELP, Amazon, tripadvisor all have the same issues. Typically only people that have really really good or really really bad experiences post reviews. These might be indicative of the general population that uses that particular product or service or could be anomalous.

That's why unfortunately the volume of reviews is equally as important as the details. A bigger statistical sampling smooths out the outliers and give a better view of the thing being reviewed, in this case pu$$why.

Frankly, if you manage to crack that particular nut and get some tool or algorithm to normalize reviews, your opportunity to serve industries beyond the hobby are vast and You should make lots and lots of money doing that.

Good ideas, keep thinking about them and share here, who knows maybe well solve some broader issues and all get hugely wealthy (and be able to buy more pu$$why than ever.) [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xxxx9998; 1675814]Interesting the board posting software replace "wh0re" with "working girl"

Guess that word is considered offensive.[/QUOTE]That's Jackson's preference. He's mentioned it several times before.

[QUOTE=Xxxx9998; 1675811]Some good ideas and definitely thought provoking.

Standardizing the industry, benefits etc.

Lots of countries has legalized or decriminalized prostitution. Not just Holland, but countries like Australia. The girls pay taxes, get social security benefits, can pay into healthcare services etc. In Europe there is even a union, I think that it's called the working girl's congress or something. BTW their preferred name is "working girl" not escort or prostitute, interesting.

Out in Nevada at the various ranches, similar kinda deal. They pay taxes, get some benefits etc.

Therein lies the rub. Outside of the top 5% of girls who make very high $$$, the rest have zero inclination to be mainstream and pay taxes etc. Cash in hand, no questions, anonymity rule.

Challenge really is that all of this this is predicated on a government that is not puritanical and recognizes that this is always going to be an industry that exists and better to control it than drive it underground. Not going to happen any time soon I fear, and certainly not in e Bible Belt.

On reviews:

Challenge that you raise is not just limited to the hobby. Any review site out there falls foul of the same subjectivity that you mention, YELP, Amazon, tripadvisor all have the same issues. Typically only people that have really really good or really really bad experiences post reviews. These might be indicative of the general population that uses that particular product or service or could be anomalous.

That's why unfortunately the volume of reviews is equally as important as the details. A bigger statistical sampling smooths out the outliers and give a better view of the thing being reviewed, in this case pu$$why.

Frankly, if you manage to crack that particular nut and get some tool or algorithm to normalize reviews, your opportunity to serve industries beyond the hobby are vast and You should make lots and lots of money doing that.

Good ideas, keep thinking about them and share here, who knows maybe well solve some broader issues and all get hugely wealthy (and be able to buy more pu$$why than ever.) [/QUOTE]This isn't really that hard. The biggest problem is it's still illegal. A site like that could get taken over by the feds and everyone's Ident would be known. The only way I could see to run a site like that is by BitCoin and TOR, and lets be honest 99% of the working girls don't even know what a bitcoin is much less the TOR network.

[QUOTE=Riceracerx;1676390]This isn't really that hard. The biggest problem is it's still illegal. A site like that could get taken over by the feds and everyone's Ident would be known. The only way I could see to run a site like that is by BitCoin and TOR, and lets be honest 99% of the working girls don't even know what a bitcoin is much less the TOR network.[/QUOTE]I'd run the thing from outside the US anyway, just for business reasons.

As for legality, I don't think an escort review site is illegal. I mean, I could run a site where people could post reviews for, say, Denny's waitresses they've fucked, and while it would be pretty nasty, it would hardly be illegal!

(Remember, escorting isn't illegal, only pay for play. It's a subtle distinction.)

O.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias; 1676609]I'd run the thing from outside the US anyway, just for business reasons.

As for legality, I don't think an escort review site is illegal. I mean, I could run a site where people could post reviews for, say, Denny's waitresses they've fucked, and while it would be pretty nasty, it would hardly be illegal!

(Remember, escorting isn't illegal, only pay for play. It's a subtle distinction.)

O.[/QUOTE]The illegal wasn't the issue, just the worry about "john" info getting into federal hands, like the big scare with J2U or some oTER review sites that some rumors have been floating around about.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias; 1676609]I'd run the thing from outside the US anyway, just for business reasons.

As for legality, I don't think an escort review site is illegal. I mean, I could run a site where people could post reviews for, say, Denny's waitresses they've fucked, and while it would be pretty nasty, it would hardly be illegal!

(Remember, escorting isn't illegal, only pay for play. It's a subtle distinction.)

O.[/QUOTE]Have to agree that running such a site is better done from a foreign country. I think Jackson once mentioned that his USASG servers are outside the US.