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[QUOTE=IWannaHaveFun6;6890953]Just saw a portion of a story on Fox2 about "human trafficing" where they talked about the state police doing undercover work and busting a couple hotels in Romulus and Canton during the NFL draft. Towards the end of the story they say something like "not all have anything to do with human trafficing".[/QUOTE]I was just looking into a place called "Massage Plus" in Canton. They claim to offer nuru, so I decided to call a few times. They never picked up. Looking at their address, they claimed to temporarily be working out of Extended Stay in Canton. Decided to swing by and check it out on my way home from work, and there was a police vehicle parked out front. Wonder if this undercover bust was part of that.

RRI in Southfield made the news recently.

[URL]https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2024/05/17/southfield-police-seek-potential-human-trafficking-victims-following-chase-crash/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/four-police-raids-macomb-county-law-enforcement-bust-alleged-human-trafficking-operation[/URL]

Isn't this the third one in the last year?

[URL]https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2024/05/30/12-people-arrested-in-macomb-county-human-trafficking-operation/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.wxyz.com/news/12-arrested-as-deputies-cbp-fbi-raid-health-spas-residences-in-macomb-county[/URL]

Anyone been to these places?

[QUOTE=RamButt;6915404][URL]https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2024/05/30/12-people-arrested-in-macomb-county-human-trafficking-operation/[/URL][/QUOTE]Oh it's always Macomb.

[QUOTE=RWhite;6915472]Since 25 is gone more than likely Healing plus is gone too because I was real close with the mamasan and she would tell me Xang isn't here today she will be at other place (Healing Plus) for a couple months and come back later. That's why I think Healing Plus probably shut down too since I seen the raid with my own eyes at 25.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/macomb-county/2024/05/29/12-arrested-in-suspected-human-trafficking-operation-in-macomb-county/73902291007/[/URL]

Ausable Out!

[URL]https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2024/06/10/man-accused-of-trafficking-2-people-for-prostitution-in-oakland-county/[/URL]

Looks like the net is extending out to our beloved Madison Heights. Stay safe.

[QUOTE=LazyLover;6926607][URL]https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2024/06/10/man-accused-of-trafficking-2-people-for-prostitution-in-oakland-county/[/URL]

Looks like the net is extending out to our beloved Madison Heights. Stay safe.[/QUOTE]If the net is snaring gorilla pimps, I'm all for it.

So Anmo massage was busted and shut down last night. No more massagy and sucky sucky!!

Alice Spa was another massage place raided yesterday. No more massagy and sucky sucky! LOL.

[QUOTE=RamButt;7106532]So Anmo massage was busted and shut down last night. No more massagy and sucky sucky!![/QUOTE]Never heard of this place, where was it? If Macomb it seems like they're cracking down on these parlors.

[QUOTE=HarryDude;7106748]Never heard of this place, where was it? If Macomb it seems like they're cracking down on these parlors.[/QUOTE]They were between M59 and 21 mile rd. On Gratiot on the east side. Very busy strip mall and lm surprised it took this long. Was there a couple times when they first opened. Curtains instead of doors, typical rub shack.

111 - Raided.

AM Healing. Raided.

Magic. Raided.

Gold. Star. Raided.

They were all raided at the exact same time by Macomb County Sheriff, State Police, and DPD raid teams. Ya'll be safe out there they have 15 people arrested right now.

Foxnews showed 111, AM, 8 star, gold star all same owner.

Sunny (8 mile).

Sunrise (grand river).

Springwell (ecorse).

M1 (telegraph).

Commerce. (14 mile Commerce).

5 lakes massage (14 mile Fraser).

Empire (10 mile).

Novi Natural Health (novi Rd).

Saigon (woodward).

M spa (wayne Rd).

[URL]https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2024/12/06/authorities-raid-human-trafficking-ring-nessel-wayne-macomb/76826379007/[/URL]

[QUOTE=VanLopez;7122332][URL]https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2024/12/06/authorities-raid-human-trafficking-ring-nessel-wayne-macomb/76826379007/[/URL][/QUOTE]Not liking the last statement in that report. Hope they say out of Jackson.

[QUOTE=MichiganGuy30;7120939]I know reviews are mixed, but I never had a bad experience there. Would like to visit again if anyone know if she is working again.[/QUOTE]V==[URL]https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2024/12/06/michigan-state-police-arrest-70-year-old-man-for-human-trafficking-prostitution-in-southgate-home/[/URL].

Seems like the guy who owned that house got himself in some trouble!

[QUOTE=VanLopez;7122332][URL]https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2024/12/06/authorities-raid-human-trafficking-ring-nessel-wayne-macomb/76826379007/[/URL][/QUOTE]And " The investigation will include looking for customers who frequented the illicit massage parlors, Nessel said. "

It's Over. Feels like 2016 where Orange man went after Backpage.

[QUOTE=EatonBeaver;7122476]Not liking the last statement in that report. Hope they say out of Jackson.[/QUOTE]The investigation will include looking for customers who frequented the illicit massage parlors.

Probably likely that they are looking for anyone who might've conversed with one of the women and can corroborate any evidence of trafficking. Unless they have some actual evidence against anyone, they're going to get absolutely nothing in that search, though.

[QUOTE=SandersNut;7122083]What TF, the election is over. These mthr fkrs.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2024/12/06/authorities-raid-human-trafficking-ring-nessel-wayne-macomb/76826379007/[/URL]

"She expressed support for State Rep. Kelly Breen's proposed human trafficking legislation and hopes that the bill package will be passed by the Michigan legislature next week."

[QUOTE=HouseOfCards;7122667][URL]https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2024/12/06/authorities-raid-human-trafficking-ring-nessel-wayne-macomb/76826379007/[/URL]

"She expressed support for State Rep. Kelly Breen's proposed human trafficking legislation and hopes that the bill package will be passed by the Michigan legislature next week."[/QUOTE]The investigation will include looking for customers who frequented the illicit massage parlors, Nessel said.

Will this really happen? Or just another scare tactic?

[QUOTE=MongerMan313;7122740]The investigation will include looking for customers who frequented the illicit massage parlors, Nessel said.

Will this really happen? Or just another scare tactic?[/QUOTE]Ever hear of geofencing? It's how the FBI tracked down everyone who was at Capitol Hill on J6 months afterwards. Feds don't even have to subpoena telecoms for a cellphone's geolocational data hit on the closest cell tower anymore. They simply ask and the telecoms turn your cellphone data over to the Feds to stay on their good side. Feds then share the data with state and local LE.

[QUOTE=DannyOceanMi;7122852]Ever hear of geofencing? It's how the FBI tracked down everyone who was at Capitol Hill on J6 months afterwards. Feds don't even have to subpoena telecoms for a cellphone's geolocational data hit on the closest cell tower anymore. They simply ask and the telecoms turn your cellphone data over to the Feds to stay on their good side. Feds then share the data with state and local LE.[/QUOTE]I doubt they go through all that trouble to catch guys paying for sex. Regardless, even if they can prove you were there, they can't prove you did anything illegal.

[QUOTE=DannyOceanMi;7122852]Ever hear of geofencing? It's how the FBI tracked down everyone who was at Capitol Hill on J6 months afterwards. Feds don't even have to subpoena telecoms for a cellphone's geolocational data hit on the closest cell tower anymore. They simply ask and the telecoms turn your cellphone data over to the Feds to stay on their good side. Feds then share the data with state and local LE.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter. It's not illegal to visit a massage parlor. There's no way to prove you had any sexual contact unless they have cameras in the room. It seems highly unlikely they would waste resources tracking down who called or texted these establishments.

[QUOTE=MongerMan313;7122860]I doubt they go through all that trouble to catch guys paying for sex. Regardless, even if they can prove you were there, they can't prove you did anything illegal.[/QUOTE]The Feds have deeper pockets than anyone. Feds can charge anyone and give the defendant two options: 1) pay a defense attorney tens of thousands in legal defense fees or 2) plead guilty to a reduced charge that goes on your record. If the defendant has a professional license of any sort, then that will result in the loss of that license.

[QUOTE=MongerMan313;7122860] Regardless, even if they can prove you were there, they can't prove you did anything illegal.[/QUOTE]From the article, "which of the liberated women are victims and which may be criminal defendants".

Liberated? Sometimes it's not about proof but the act of being investigated. Some people shudder when a detective knocks on the front door and starts asking questions because there was a loose end. The wife answers, "We think your husband has a hand in human trafficking. " Good luck explaining.

Stick to the basics. Use cash / burner / anonymous motels. Just because a hooker may accept Venmo doesn't mean a monger should use Venmo.

We have to ask how do these investigators know the FS spots. Where are they getting this information. Seems like they know which one to go after to.

[QUOTE=JohnD420;7122501]V==[URL]https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2024/12/06/michigan-state-police-arrest-70-year-old-man-for-human-trafficking-prostitution-in-southgate-home/[/URL].

Seems like the guy who owned that house got himself in some trouble![/QUOTE]May or may not have anything to do with Downriver Nuru Lady. Article cites a connection to an Investigation in Maumee Ohio. There was an AMP raided within recent months there. Toledo Massage forum has the details.

[QUOTE=Rgv956;7122573]And " The investigation will include looking for customers who frequented the illicit massage parlors, Nessel said. "

It's Over. Feels like 2016 where Orange man went after Backpage.[/QUOTE]Orange man is not in yet. Nessel is a Democrat. Political points go both ways.

[QUOTE=Rgv956;7123075]We have to ask how do these investigators know the FS spots. Where are they getting this information. Seems like they know which one to go after to.[/QUOTE]All the authorities have to do is read all these posts about where everybody doing boom boom and raid those places. It's all in black and white. LOL.

[QUOTE=RamButt;7123376]All the authorities have to do is read all these posts about where everybody doing boom boom and raid those places. It's all in black and white. LOL.[/QUOTE]I provide the FSLIST to all the local police departments. This makes them more efficient than having to read the entire forum. I plan to be appointed as head of Michigan DOGE.

[QUOTE=RamButt;7123376]All the authorities have to do is read all these posts about where everybody doing boom boom and raid those places. It's all in black and white. LOL.[/QUOTE]Only following a months long investigation.

[QUOTE=Timberwolf;7123101]May or may not have anything to do with Downriver Nuru Lady. Article cites a connection to an Investigation in Maumee Ohio. There was an AMP raided within recent months there. Toledo Massage forum has the details.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.bizapedia.com/people/jingyu-jin.html[/URL]

The owner was busted before that in New Jersey. Interestingly, the recent bust cites her as being 45, while she was cited as 52 when she was busted in NJ. I doubt there's some Benjamin Button nonsense going on, so there's multiple women with the same name running these places and / or there's some papers being faked. Either way, she's very much failing at staying under the radar.

Ever hear of geofencing? It's how the FBI tracked down everyone who was at Capitol Hill on J6 months afterwards.

That's what's up.

A7 D.

[QUOTE=HouseOfCards;7123484][URL]https://www.bizapedia.com/people/jingyu-jin.html[/URL]

The owner was busted before that in New Jersey. Interestingly, the recent bust cites her as being 45, while she was cited as 52 when she was busted in NJ. I doubt there's some Benjamin Button nonsense going on, so there's multiple women with the same name running these places and / or there's some papers being faked. Either way, she's very much failing at staying under the radar.[/QUOTE]They probably are different women. At the top of your attachment, it says there are 11 women with the same name.

[QUOTE=AllSevenDays;7123659]Ever hear of geofencing? It's how the FBI tracked down everyone who was at Capitol Hill on J6 months afterwards.

That's what's up..[/QUOTE]This is the second time I have seen this said, so I feel the need to explain why this won't happen.

Geofencing can only predict within a range. In an area such as 16 and mound in Sterling Heights, it will be incredibly accurate, but not totally. If they were looking for a guy who did a specific thing at a specific place at a specific time, this could probably be enough to compel a subpoena for the owners of devices. But we are talking about devices that were in the area for a half hour to an hour, at most, a handful of times within a date range. There are several other businesses within a single-digit number of feet that operate within the same timeframe that AM did and within the date range that AM was open. These present challenges to the validity and reliability of geofencing.

The prosecutor would likely propose a range of accuracy based on calculations from a "geofencing expert" who will lay out the boundaries, which will probably be based on some sort of formula applied to a sample of like a hundred or so trials of measuring where different devices are in and around that office building. If there were any updates to software, for either satellites or phones pertaining to geolocation, these would also need to be accounted for and could potentially make the results from geofencing unusable because the tests for the range of accuracy could not be recreated. This alone would create such a headache and most likely resolve in a geofence so much larger than the bounds of that building, that conceivably, so many people would be caught within that geofence that they would need to reach out to hundreds-thousands of people who likely had no clue about this stuff, depending on their date range. Those experts would not be cheap. I would expect it to run the court about $50-100 k just for this silly little test, and I don't believe that a local judge would be happy about having to go through all of that, just to find out that most people caught in their net are soccer moms with sore backs, people who got injured at work, or maybe even, depending on the time of day and other factors, people sitting in their car waiting for their pizza at Happy's.

Geofencing worked in the context of the capitol because it was a relatively large area, and they had a very specific period of time. Here, there is a very, very narrow sliver of geography and they are looking for a specific period of time that a case was in the area within a wide range. This won't be used to bust guys who walked into a massage therapy facility where they were met with a woman who may or may not offered them sex for money.

And I know guys are worried about getting busted months later because of the Kraft case, but that is a 100% different case and that was thrown out. However, all mongers should read up on that.

[QUOTE=RayLatoole;7123712]They probably are different women. At the top of your attachment, it says there are 11 women with the same name.[/QUOTE]That's just the way the site presents data. It's definitely the same person for a bunch of them, as reported in the news.

[QUOTE=HouseOfCards;7124140]That's just the way the site presents data. It's definitely the same person for a bunch of them, as reported in the news.[/QUOTE]Often registered agent is the accountant that established the company, LLC, s or c Corp. She could just be the one owners use to file paperwork and look like a legitimate business. I doubt that's the case since she was mentioned in so many busts. But it's possible.

Kind of funny, an actual customer of mine opened healing plus. It changed hands from an owner in Novi to a guy in Atlanta GA few years back. In my work communication with said customer happens annually for the most part, they just pay the bill and don't inquire about anything. The original owner was a referred customer from a competitor that couldn't help. After meeting with him based on the info gathering I don't know if he was the actual owner or just being told to act like it or say he is.

I had no idea this would be a FS or even a HE place when starting to work with them, obviously after a few on site tours I know they're FS LOL. Customer doesn't know. So if something happened the higher up of the organization wouldn't be pulled into the legal issues.

[QUOTE=DannyOceanMi;7122890]The Feds have deeper pockets than anyone. Feds can charge anyone and give the defendant two options: 1) pay a defense attorney tens of thousands in legal defense fees or 2) plead guilty to a reduced charge that goes on your record. If the defendant has a professional license of any sort, then that will result in the loss of that license.[/QUOTE]Oh please.

Stop it with the fear mongering.