Change for your "two cents"
[QUOTE=CookyJar]I was just offering my two cents. Certainly you wouldn’t deny me.[/QUOTE]
I didn't deny you a thing. I was just observing that you had a lot to say for someone who thought the question wasn't worth considering nor answering in the first place.
[QUOTE=CookyJar]This is not the serious type of question I’ve come to expect from you. Ease up. We sometimes take ourselves too serious on this thread. It’s not rocket science. Sock psychology? Come on, admit it! It’s funny. Not funny he, he but funny Ha, ha. [/QUOTE]
You say that my bringing up the issue of "sock psychology" is "haha funny," but then say "we" take ourselves too seriously on this thread? The "we" must be you in this case. Ease up? I wasn't aware I was pressing anything. You are the one doing that. I just asked a simple question about socks. CRIPES! You are the one making a big deal out of it. All I did was make a one sentence reply to your sock tirade. As to "sock psychology," we all know that many SWs keep their socks on. I was merely speculating as to why. I know that different SWs and different mongers have a variety of opinions on this. Yours is not the only right one and case closed, no reason to have raised the question in the first place. It's as legitimate a question as anything else I have seen on this forum, serious or otherwise. I know that many guys keep their socks on also, even though I do not. If I can walk outdoors on the filthy ground and pavement barefoot, I don't think that walking on the floor of the 10 spot house will give me some dread foot disease, nor have I ever contracted any.
[QUOTE=CookyJar](You didn’t mention anything about Foot fetishes. That’s a serious subject and I wouldn’t joke about it.)[/QUOTE]
I did bring up the subject of foot fetishes by mongers VERY recently: an observation from Deep Throat. It IS a serious subject and worthy of discussion. So why didn't you comment about THAT one instead of socks?
[QUOTE=CookyJar]Kissing, now that’s a juicy issue. I’m certain that there is lots of lecture on the subject of prostitution Kissing or the lack of it. Personally I’ve always questioned; why would a monger want to kiss a prostitute? There’s a question to ponder. The hygiene of these girls is always suspect. Why would a monger want to thrust his tongue into a mouth that was most likely filled with someone else’s’ cum since it’s last cleaning. (Think about this. Have you ever dug out a crumb of chicken from between your teeth hours after the meal?) I have had girls offer to kiss me; I grudgingly give them my cheek. Psychologically it may have something to do with the monger’s need for intimacy with the girl. And what about DATY? I understand that there are girls who don’t allow DATY. Why? And, ponder this: why would a monger want to eat the pussy of someone else’s cum piggy? Again! I am not putting anyone down.
Kissing, DATY or Sock psychology – whatever floats your boat? lol[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you on that one. That is why I analogized the sock issue to the kissing issue. I think they are linked psychologically. As I fully admitted, I could be all wet. But I think both are legitimate psychological AND hygienic matters of contention to contemplate.
As for kissing, I would definitely never kiss a SWs feet, and I avoid the lips as well. Avoiding the pussy with my lips is a given. Avoiding lip kissing is somewhat hypocritical and puzzling from the standpoint of sanitation, because I have no problem placing my uncovered cock in a SWs mouth, and we all know where that has been. I would contend that the issue of a monger kissing a SW is primarily a psychological issue as well, even though there is some risk of disease transmission. But there is little more risk than in a BBBJ. DATY is a different thing altogether. The pussy is a much more likely source of disease, if there is any, and I definitely am not going anywhere near that with my mouth or my uncovered cock.
Monger Exposure to Diseases
CJ's and Davey's recent replies to my semi-serious "socks" question caused me to think about a much more serious and relevant issue for our mongering hobby, and that is the degree to which we are exposing ourselves to possible diseases.
I don't know if there have been any serious studies done, or if there is data available from the CDC or other reliable source on this issue, but I would have the following questions for you mongers:
1. Have any of you contracted a disease of any kind from a SW and what were the circumstances? (If this is too personal to reveal, send me a PM. You will have to trust that I will keep the reply totally confidential even as to your SN identity on here.) I will simply admit here that this has never happened to me and I would guesstimate that I have been with well over 1500 different civis, SWs, escorts and women in massage parlors and brothels.
2. Are you personally aware from first hand discussion (not hearsay) with another monger of his contracting a disease from a SW and what were the circumstances? (The identity of the monger in question need not be revealed) As far as I am concerned I don't know one person this has happened to, although they may have been reluctant to admit it.
3. Are any mongers out there medical professionals and/or in a position to KNOW for a fact the risks of disease exposure from various forms of contact with SWs? I am not just talking about the fact that disease is a possibility, but the actual probabilities. (For example, what percentages of SWs have various types of diseases, and what are the percentage likelihoods you would contract them on a single exposure, if the SW is infected. Let unprotected vaginal or anal intercourse off the table because that is just plain nuts. Stick to kissing, DATY, BBBJ and the risks of protected vaginal and anal intercourse .)
4. Are there any credible university, hospital or scientific studies available on this subject? I will be looking for this as well. My search has only just begun.
Re: Change for your "two cents"
[QUOTE=Supereloquent]I know that many guys keep their socks on also, even though I do not. If I can walk outdoors on the filthy ground and pavement barefoot, I don't think that walking on the floor of the 10 spot house will give me some dread foot disease, nor have I ever contracted any. [/QUOTE]
Geeze! I bet you’re loads of fun at a party. Perhaps my sense of humor is a bit warped.
I never said that, “Socks” weren’t a worthy topic for discussion. Funny maybe, a little off from the norm possibly, but certainly not unworthy. In fact, I am thinking of including the wearing of and the removal thereof of socks in all of my future SWer reviews. I will not go so far as to say that my choice of dates will be decided bases on the, “Psychology of the Sock.”
[QUOTE=Supereloquent]I know that many guys keep their socks on also, even though I do not. If I can walk outdoors on the filthy ground and pavement barefoot, I don't think that walking on the floor of the 10 spot house will give me some dread foot disease, nor have I ever contracted any. [/QUOTE]
Once again I have to say; raised the way I was, I’d never walked outside barefooted. Even on my grandmother farm, I was encouraged to keep my feet covered. Perhaps this too is psychological; I imagine the streets of Philadelphia as being covered with unseen germs, and everything from dog shit, human shit, piss, drunken throw-up, and whatever. And, that’s not to mention the broken glass bottles, trash and years of garbage and other filth and etc, etc and etc to be found on the streets. My mother would have killed me and sent my butt back to heaven if she’d ever caught my out barefoot in the street. I have to imagine that the penalty for walking barefoot in the $10 spot would have been worst.
To each his own.
[QUOTE=Supereloquent]I did bring up the subject of foot fetishes by mongers VERY recently: an observation from Deep Throat. It IS a serious subject and worthy of discussion. So why didn't you comment about THAT one instead of socks? [/QUOTE]
When I said you hadn’t mentioned the subject of “foot fetishes,” I was talking about that particular post. Your posts involving the subject “Deep Throat,” are very interesting to say the least. I have decided to stay away from that discussion.
[QUOTE=Supereloquent]Avoiding lip kissing is somewhat hypocritical and puzzling from the standpoint of sanitation, because I have no problem placing my uncovered cock in a SWs mouth,… [/QUOTE]
That’s not quite the same, is it? Originally the dick came with a nice little protective covering and was always meant to go into a tight, moist place. Like hands and arms and most of the body, the dick has a layer of protective skin that was adapted to be exposed to the elements. Most of us give little thought as to where we put our hands, arms and legs during a sexual encounter. If putting my hands into a girls mouth doesn’t bother me why would putting my dick in the same mouth raise caution? Because of that little pee hole? The pee hole was engineered to eject stuff and not to let stuff in. That’s why we don’t fill up with water when we go swimming. On the other hand, the mouth was designed for the intake of substance, and nothing else. (Breathing is a secondary function of the mouth.) You are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bite your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases. We are talking about anything from the flu, the common cold, mono, up to TB and worse. There are lots of nasty little bugs that are passed on by mouth to mouth contact. It should also be mentioned that if you have an open sore or herpes on you dick while receiving a blow job, you increase your risk for infection.
You know what, Supereloquent, I take it back. The “Sock Thing,” turned out to be very interesting after all. LOL
CookyJar
PS: Who said anything about kissing a SWer’s feet?
In search of Deep Throat?
[QUOTE=Supereloquent]She is smart, is not a drug user (although there is no definitive way to prove such), uses a computer, is an avid reader of this forum, has a distinctive perspective, and exhibits a writing style that shows a better command of the English language than many of the mongers on here.[/QUOTE]
Goodness! Sounds like a keeper and someone I'd love to get to know!
Always like treating a lady well and if she's got smarts then the experience is usually better.
If she's interested in expanding her group of friends...
Things you intentionally avoided commenting about
[QUOTE=CookyJar] Originally the dick came with a nice little protective covering and was always meant to go into a tight, moist place. Like hands and arms and most of the body, the dick has a layer of protective skin that was adapted to be exposed to the elements. Most of us give little thought as to where we put our hands, arms and legs during a sexual encounter. If putting my hands into a girls mouth doesn’t bother me why would putting my dick in the same mouth raise caution? Because of that little pee hole? The pee hole was engineered to eject stuff and not to let stuff in. That’s why we don’t fill up with water when we go swimming. On the other hand, the mouth was designed for the intake of substance, and nothing else. (Breathing is a secondary function of the mouth.) You are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bite your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases. We are talking about anything from the flu, the common cold, mono, up to TB and worse. There are lots of nasty little bugs that are passed on by mouth to mouth contact. It should also be mentioned that if you have an open sore or herpes on you dick while receiving a blow job, you increase your risk for infection.?[/QUOTE]
ALL WET, CJ. The head of the penis is a mucous membrane. It's not "protected" nor is the "pee hole" all you have to worry about. It's the whole damn head. It allows the passage of pathogens. There are lots of "nasty little bugs" you can catch with your penis and it is hardly the same risk as "placing your hands in a girl's mouth." My point is not that I don't assume this risk, because I do. But there is risk both from kissing and BBBJs, and to boldly say that kissing is a greater risk is misinformation, because it ISN'T!
[QUOTE=CookyJar]Wrong again. What I said was: [b] You (the monger) are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you (the monger) have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bitten your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases.[/b] [/QUOTE]
The same is true in reverse and THAT was MY point (not yours). If a SW has a cavity, bleeding gums, a cut in the mouth, an open sore, you are at as much risk sticking your cock in there as your tongue.
[QUOTE=CookyJar]I mentioned STDs? I don’t remember mentioning STDs. I’ll go back and check. Nope! I didn’t see anything I said in reference to STDs.[/QUOTE]
MY point was that the ORAL risk of transmitting an STD is higher with a BBBJ than kissing. I thought that was worthy mentioning, even if you didn't.
[QUOTE=CookyJar]I thought you wanted to have some fun and laughs about socks. You are looking for an argument and a fight.
I’m sorry, I am not interested.[/QUOTE]
You are not interested because you are WRONG. A BBBJ is not and never will be less risky than kissing, ESPECIALLY with regard to the oral transmission of STDs, but it also applies to the transmission of ANY disease. Your statement that a penis is at no more risk than your finger in the mouth of a SW is absolutely, ridiculously and obtusely DUMB.
[QUOTE=CookyJar]PS: For a guy whose never had VD (that’s what old school guys call STDs) you know an awful lot.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't take much to know that a penis is different from a finger.
Deep Throat opines on socks
The reactions from Deep Throat (all 5 of them) were all over the map on this subject.
One maintains that she gets cold feet (even in the summer).
One agrees with the psychology theory, even though she tells clients who ask that it is a force of habit.
One usually wears longer socks and uses them as her piggy bank.
One says the floors in many places are nasty, dirty, whatever (in one place there was a stem on a "freshly made" bed, so she says imagine what could be on the floor, maybe a shattered stem that would give you a nasty infection). Even in nicer notels it was just force of habit.
One didn't really know. She was just more comfy in her socks.
So I don't know that this provides any closure on the issue other than to say there are a lot of different reasons and probably a few more.
Good source for STD information
Below is some information I recently found about Chamydia that surprised me a little. Even if you think you have never had anything it is a good idea to be test occasionally.
The San Francisco City Clinic has a lot of great information on all the bad bugs you should be concerned about.
Chlamydia
Chlamydia (cla-mid-ee-ah) is a Sexually Transmitted Disease (STD) caused by a type of
bacteria called Chlamydia trachomatis. Chlamydia can infect men, women, and children. It is
passed from one person to another during vaginal, anal and oral sex.
How is Chlamydia spread?
Chlamydia is passed from one person to another during vaginal, anal, and oral sex. It can
also be spread to the eyes by touching fluids from the vagina or penis and then touching
your eyes. Babies of infected mothers can get eye and lung infections during delivery.
What do I look for?
Men:
· Discharge from the urethra or the anus
· Pain or itching of the head of the penis
· Pain with urination
50% of infected men have no symptoms
Women:
· Pain and itching of the vulva or vagina
· Discharge from the vagina
· Unusual bleeding from the vagina, or the anus
· Pain with urination
· Pain when having sex
80% of infected women have no symptoms
Symptoms may appear within 30 days of infection but then will go away. The infected person
remains infected and can pass chlamydia to a sex partner. If you are sexually active, see your
doctor regularly to be tested for chlamydia and other STDs.
If you contracted Chlamydia from anal sex and you do not know the HIV status of that
sexual partner, you should be concerned about your increased risk of HIV. Talk to your
clinician.
For a STD check-up or treatment,
see your doctor, local clinic, or come to:
City Clinic
356 Seventh Street
(between Folsom and Harrison)
San Francisco, CA 94103
(415)487-5500
[url]http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/[/url]
Developed by San Francisco City Clinic (415) 487-5500 revised 2/2/2005
An idiot maybe. Wrong? I don't think so.
My original premise is still true. You are more likely to catch an infection from kissing. You tried to make an issue with STDs. Kissing is not, IMHO, a sexual act, by its self. It does not take a genius to figure this one out. There are more air borne infectious diseases than there are STDs.
[QUOTE=CookyJar] You are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bitten your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases. We are talking about anything from the flu, the common cold, mono, up to TB and worse. There are lots of nasty little bugs that are passed on by mouth to mouth contact. It should also be mentioned that if you have an open sore or herpes on you dick while receiving a blow job, you increase your risk for infection.[/QUOTE]
[b]Infectious Diseases in Saliva[/b]
Infectious diseases are spread through several routes of transmission. “Oral transmission” refers to spreading of microbes through saliva, foods or drinks. When a person accidentally consumes microbe-contaminated items, such as saliva during kissing, the swallowing action of the tongue wipes the microbes against the back of the throat, allowing the microbe to enter the body. Infections, such as mononucleosis (the kissing disease), caused by Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), and cytomegalovirus (CMV) are spread via oral transmission from virus-containing saliva.
Other infectious microbes that spread through saliva do so by sticking to the inner surface of the cheeks and mouth, the tongue, or teeth. An example is the bacterium Streptococcus, which can cause an array of infections, including gum disease and strep throat.
An important thing to keep in mind is that the surfaces of the respiratory tract (nose, mouth, and throat) are continuous and made up of similar tissues. As a result, microbes that are found in the saliva can generally be found in other parts of the respiratory tract, including the nose and throat. Therefore, even colds and flus (and other respiratory infections) can potentially be spread through the saliva.
[b]Infectious Diseases from Mouth Sores Cold sores[/b]
Cold sores are caused by Herpes Simplex Virus-1 (HSV-1). In contrast to infections spread through the saliva, HSV-1 is spread through open cold sores on the lips or near the mouth. Although the infection is contagious through all stages of a cold sore, the infection is most contagious when the sore is open and leaking fluid.
[b]Hand, foot, and mouth disease[/b]
Hand, foot, and mouth disease, caused by Coxsackie virus, is another infectious disease that is spread through open sores in the mouth.
[b]How is TB Spread?[/b]
It is spread through the air (by coughing) from person to person.
CookyJar
PS: Thanks for the whole/hold heads-up. I hate when that happens.
Thanks for scaring me more!
[QUOTE=CookyJar]My original premise is still true. You are more likely to catch an infection from kissing. You tried to make an issue with STDs. Kissing is not, IMHO, a sexual act, by its self. It does not take a genius to figure this one out. There are more air borne infectious diseases than there are STDs....[/QUOTE]
I'm hanging them up until this whole H1N1 thing is over!
