Ripoff Reports

[QUOTE=Farouk;5316553]I've met exactly one girl in 20+ years that I could front some money and get "paid back" eventually. Better to assume that they will try to rob you, hide your shit, and know that you were right when they steal all the change and cigarette butts from the ashtray.

I'll give a girl enough to grab a soda or a pack of condoms, but no more. If she decides to bounce, I'm out $5 and prob better off without her.

Hide your wallet and all the cash you aren't prepared to lose. I actually have a biometric safe in the truck from when I used to carry a sidearm. Under the drivers floor mat works well too.

Never ever pay for anything up front. EVER.[/QUOTE]
About how many of these women walk off when you say you are only paying after the deed is done?

Gator? Shampoo?
How about you?
We talk about this subject before but i forgot to ask this question:

How often do the girls decline to date if you tell them payment is AFTER the deed?

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5437812]About how many of these women walk off when you say you are only paying after the deed is done?

Gator? Shampoo?
How about you?
We talk about this subject before but i forgot to ask this question:

How often do the girls decline to date if you tell them payment is AFTER the deed?[/QUOTE]It's a good question but I suspect the answers cannot be properly tabulated, Apples & Oranges, sort of speak. The best way to handle it is to show them the money and then put the money in your clip on the sun visor in your car and tell the Provider that neither of you will touch the money until the deed is done. It's important that she knows you have the money, knows where the money is (and it's no longer in your pocket) and then if she accepts the agreement, game on. If not, I offer to bring her back to her spot and I carry an extra $5 in my pants pocket is she is reluctant to leave the car without any compensation. That's my insurance money to keep my car from being destroyed by a mentally unstable SW.

Just to announce that you won't pay till the deed is done is likely to result in a higher percentage of SW's declining your offer. Sincerity and transparency goes a long way in making the arrangement work. Granted, some will walk without the money upfront and that is just the insurance price you pay NOT to get ripped off. But at least you get to keep your hard earned cash.

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5437812]About how many of these women walk off when you say you are only paying after the deed is done?

Gator? Shampoo?
How about you?
We talk about this subject before but i forgot to ask this question:

How often do the girls decline to date if you tell them payment is AFTER the deed?[/QUOTE]I agree with DonTrask. Being upfront yet firm.

To be honest Robo rarely don't I have many backouts. I do leave that option open to them and offer to drop them off where I picked them up. Some do leave.

Most that I deal with know upfront I set the rules of engagement. They know I will drop them right where I picked them up if my deal is not what they want. With me, there is no room for negotiation on that issue. They are free to do things with those that will front funds. I'm just not one of them.

There are people right on this forum that are so pussy starved they would do anything a girl tells them if it means getting their dick sucked. Then when the girl bounces with their cash they cry and moan how this one and that one is the piece of shit.

Huhhh? What do they expect from an addict? Honesty and reliable business practices? Free thirty-day returns? Happy or your money-back guarantee? Really? Grow some fucking balls. They know the possibilities and risks just like the rest of us.

I learned early on that when we step in shit we have two options. Clean it off our shoes and watch where we walk or we will forever be stepping in and smelling like shit. Or avoid stepping in shit altogether.

The choice seems obvious to me. To some, it doesn't. I don't care if the girl stays or leaves to be honest.

I lost count of how many times I've been told they have been ripped off and would rather not do business that way. I simply tell them ok just look at it from both sides. I gave them no reason to feel I would do that. I let them know I also have also been ripped off and that is my assurance I won't be ripped off again.

As a street person and the people they chum around with they set the impression of what they can and will do. I don't set that for them.

Here's some food for thought. Their own families don't trust them in their homes. Why on earth should we trust them?

I tell them nicely I didn't make those rules necessary. It was the same people they deal with daily that forced those rules into effect. Their boyfriends and girlfriends that think its an easy way to get money then run off on our dime to get high. It's those people that have made life difficult for them. Not me.

That does not guarantee me great or even good service. It just guarantees me service.

When a girl can push us around once we set an example. When we set an example as a pushover then we are forever a pushover. Word gets around in those circles.

Now, that is not to say I'm a hardass or a pushy type. I always respect those I deal with. I keep my promise. If I agree to a set amount then good or bad I follow through and give that.

Here's another interesting tidbit. Many times a girl tells me how she's sick. Strange cause I may have just seen her shopping and score.

They all have a sad story. They all have a line that has worked on others to get what they want. They all claim day after day how they got robbed. If the stories are indeed true then it's sad. Many times they are just stories. Stories to play upon the sympathies of others. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

[QUOTE=Gator145;5436214]There's a lot to be learned from these situations. These girls, no matter what they tell us, do not love or care about any of us. Many probably border on hating us. No matter what they say to our face it's what they say behind our back that really sets the tone. They will tell you to your face what ever you want to hear if it puts them that much closer to the next blue bag. Repeat after me Manipulation.[/QUOTE]I know a few girls who are living rent free all because some guy offered to take them in but in return they talk trash about the very guy who is keeping a roof over their head. I know people can be difficult to live with, but nothing is more difficult then dealing with a drug addict let alone living with one.

If I knew these guys I would tell them to kick those girls out due to the way they talk about them behind their backs. All these girls can pay rent or live in a shelter but they won't because rent takes away money to be spent on drugs and shelters often have curfews that they don't want to adhere to.

One girl was upset because every weekend he makes her clean the house (and he helps also) from top to bottom. Ohhh, the horror! I definitely learned not to help these girls other then a bottle of water or take them to a shelter. Your good deeds won't be appreciated and it even might make you look weak in their eyes all while most of these girls have a love interest who they team up with on the street who does nothing for them that they never complain about.

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5437812]About how many of these women walk off when you say you are only paying after the deed is done?

Gator? Shampoo?
How about you?
We talk about this subject before but i forgot to ask this question:

How often do the girls decline to date if you tell them payment is AFTER the deed?[/QUOTE]Honestly the pickings are so slim out there now the one girl who you spot who makes the cut if she doesn't want to collect after she clocks out you might as well go home after that. It's really just a sea of homeless strung out zombies out there now.

That said, I'm going to answer your question this way: These girls are still human and I believe that the closer you are to their age and ideal type in real life the better off you will be in terms of getting what you want within reason, or within her boundaries. If you're also a smooth talker and charming it definitely doesn't hurt.

Once again, Gator hits the nail on the head. Could not say it any better. I will highlight one part for any newbies.

[QUOTE=Gator145;5438065]

When a girl can push us around once we set an example. When we set an example as a pushover then we are forever a pushover. Word gets around in those circles.

Now, that is not to say I'm a hardass or a pushy type. I always respect those I deal with. I keep my promise. If I agree to a set amount then good or bad I follow through and give that.

[/QUOTE]There is a fine line between being nice, respectful and kind and being a pushover, target or sucker. Maybe it takes some time to learn how to do?

Look there was a dude who poster here that apparently had "sucker" tattooed on his forehead. He told me about this one girl who was hot, and from my experience knew how to push the buttons on any man. But she ripped his dude off, not once, but about a half dozen times! I mean yeah, he got some dates in there in between the rip-offs, but he kept fronting her the money so she could get well, get a soda or whatever and ghosting. I mean the dude texted me one time that he had fronted her the money and and was waiting outside for her to pay her landlord. I mean the dude sat there for 45-minutes before the light bulb came on. But she kept doing it because HE LET HER! He gave up his power to the girl and she took it. She knew hew was a sucker and she coud do 2 dates and get paid for 3 or 4!

Then another dude I knew, girl say his "sucker" tattoo and had him sit in the car when she went inside the store, only to merge with a pile of pilfered merchandise. She stood him up on a date or too as well.

Point is that the money is in many ways your power. If you have to be harsh, lay down the law or be a dickhead, then you really have no power in the first place. But the point is that, even though this is kinda "sleazy" per "polite society," if a girl is gunna suck yer dick OR get naked with you and fuck you, there needs to be some level of trust. You build that with her how you speak to her initially and how you handle yourself.

So if a girl plain flat out doesn't trust you, it could be her past, bad experiences, her attempt to make you a sucker, whatever. But give up your power too easily and the later case will be 100%.

To answer the question directly, I'd say less than 10% of the time a girl will balk and end a date before it happens because of the "no upfront money policy. " Way I see it is that only the true scammers will stick to their guns and demand $ upfront. Sometimes you have to use methods like Gator pointed out. So yeah, for me not paying upfront works.

Oh sure, technique is everything: being polite and respectful from the minute her behind hits the car seat is IMHO key. Look these girls meet 10's of guys everyday, if they have any sense they become quick judges of character. So the faster you demonstrate safety and no harm, the faster the 'money upfront" demand fades.

I dunno, I guess I have been ripped off before by various schemes, as I bet many have. It took me some time to learn to be polite, firm and stick to my guns in a way that kept the power but assured the girl she would get her money. But anyone can learn the "how to's" of this!

Good luck!

Went to see her the evening of Oct. 22. Paid 2. 5 for an hour. BBBJ and she kicked me out afterwards, insinuating that there'd be an issue if I didn't leave.

Picked her up on Jasper by Huntington was very jumpy from the start should have been a sign to tell her to get out drove to spot was still very paranoid at everything kept starting and stopping then started to get mad when I couldn't stay up she took tip from ashtray when I asked if she was going to finish she started giving a hand job told her that wasn't going to work then she started flipping out so I just took her back and told her to get out didn't bother asking for anything back just wanted to cut my losses at that point.

Found this website: [URL]https://thedirty.com/philadelphia/[/URL]#post-2620402.

Lots of scammers out there. Also, I read around the website (thedirty) and there is lots of escorting going on. Bars, nightclubs, at work, and online via Instagram and *.

[QUOTE=GStringLvr1;5606143]Picked her up on Jasper by Huntington was very jumpy from the start should have been a sign to tell her to get out drove to spot was still very paranoid at everything kept starting and stopping then started to get mad when I couldn't stay up she took tip from ashtray when I asked if she was going to finish she started giving a hand job told her that wasn't going to work then she started flipping out so I just took her back and told her to get out didn't bother asking for anything back just wanted to cut my losses at that point.[/QUOTE]I know Michelle. Yeah, she can be a handful when she's taking that cookoo flight out. I try to avoid those that do Meth. That's the CMTA. Crystal Meth Transit Authority. It can quickly change from the Redeye flight to the Blackeye ride. They get on that bus and it's a rocky ride all around. The paranoia sets in and all is lost. You can't win that game for nothing. They think there's people watching them. Like they are the most intriguing people on the planet. Go Figure. Sometimes the crack will have the same effect.

It's a quick way for them to get funding. They know people will, as you did, take the hit and get out of town. That means more money for doing less. On to the next victim.

What they fail to understand till it's to late is they will pull that stunt on the wrong person and find themselves bloodied up in a dark spot till somebody finds them. If they are lucky, they just get slapped around a little. Others are not so lucky. It's best, if possible, just to avoid them completely. Those meetings rarely end well.

It's crazy but there are guys that seek out that specific adventure. They look for the craziest clowns in the circus and do their party with them. To each their own.

How does one avoid a meeting like that? Maybe you can review just how you found yourself in that situation. See if you could have done things differently.

Maybe she was your first choice? Or possibly a better than nothing choice? Only you know for sure. I will say this, many times it's best to just wait for another day rather than take what's available on the shelf. If she was on Meth things could have ended much worse. In hindsight, you could be the lucky one.

When meeting a prospective employee in the future try spending a few minutes before leaving to get a feel of what her state of mind might be. If she's nodding before the door closes you might want to find another choice. If she smells a little like your barn or is not making sense bump her out. By doing that even if you are wrong, you made a safe decision.

Always keep a dummy roll of bills in a shirt pocket for those that refuse to leave the vehicle. A dummy roll has got me out of a few uncomfortable sticky situations. After all, that is what they want, money. So, give it to them. Let them get a quick view of the roll then toss it out their window. They will go get the roll and you pull off to a safer meeting. Works every time. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

[QUOTE=Gator145;5639871]I know Michelle. Yeah, she can be a handful when she's taking that cookoo flight out. I try to avoid those that do Meth. That's the CMTA. Crystal Meth Transit Authority. It can quickly change from the Redeye flight to the Blackeye ride. They get on that bus and it's a rocky ride all around. The paranoia sets in and all is lost. You can't win that game for nothing. They think there's people watching them. Like they are the most intriguing people on the planet. Go Figure. Sometimes the crack will have the same effect.

It's a quick way for them to get funding. They know people will, as you did, take the hit and get out of town. That means more money for doing less. On to the next victim.

What they fail to understand till it's to late is they will pull that stunt on the wrong person and find themselves bloodied up in a dark spot till somebody finds them. If they are lucky, they just get slapped around a little. Others are not so lucky. It's best, if possible, just to avoid them completely. Those meetings rarely end well.

It's crazy but there are guys that seek out that specific adventure. They look for the craziest clowns in the circus and do their party with them. To each their own.

How does one avoid a meeting like that? Maybe you can review just how you found yourself in that situation. See if you could have done things differently.

Maybe she was your first choice? Or possibly a better than nothing choice? Only you know for sure. I will say this, many times it's best to just wait for another day rather than take what's available on the shelf. If she was on Meth things could have ended much worse. In hindsight, you could be the lucky one.

When meeting a prospective employee in the future try spending a few minutes before leaving to get a feel of what her state of mind might be. If she's nodding before the door closes you might want to find another choice. If she smells a little like your barn or is not making sense bump her out. By doing that even if you are wrong, you made a safe decision.

Always keep a dummy roll of bills in a shirt pocket for those that refuse to leave the vehicle. A dummy roll has got me out of a few uncomfortable sticky situations. After all, that is what they want, money. So, give it to them. Let them get a quick view of the roll then toss it out their window. They will go get the roll and you pull off to a safer meeting. Works every time. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.[/QUOTE]Gator. That's quite a ploy -- a dummy roll of bills. Do you put a real bill on the outside to make it look authentic?

LD.

[QUOTE=LurkingDog;5639960]Gator. That's quite a ploy -- a dummy roll of bills. Do you put a real bill on the outside to make it look authentic?

LD.[/QUOTE]You can wrap a few singles around the outside if you choose to. The prop money is realistic enough it's really not necessary. For less than $20.00 one can get enough to make a dozen decoy rolls. Herre's a link. [URL]https://www.amazon.com/Money-Dollar-Bills-Realistic-Videos/dp/B08Z7K1L1P/ref=sr_1_9?crid=N01YO7KW3KQC&keywords=movie[/URL]+prop+money+realistic&qid=1637251077&qsid=139-1196108-9026906&sprefix=Movie+prop+money%2 Caps%2 C193&sr=8-9&sres=B08 KPWQT37%2 CB08 HT1 LH5 V%2 CB09 DP4 KNJ9%2 CB086 H68 BPQ%2 CB08 Z7 K1 L1 P%2 CB07 WQYC733%2 CB07 TFFY9 XG%2 CB07 TXYTHN8%2 CB07 WWWW8 TV%2 CB0881 WHZHM%2 CB07 T61 F4 YK%2 CB089 M2 X6 L5%2 CB08 DD2 LB1 V%2 CB07 ZFCK8 WM%2 CB08 BYVQT9 J%2 CB0967 JFF2 L%2 CB099 RWLFP2%2 CB08 Z7 MPG16%2 CB089 M2 PW35%2 CB07 Y1 XG115.

It's realistic looking and in a pinch will fool even an alert person. I have shown the bills to friends and they can't believe it's fake. For somebody with a fogged-up mind, it will work every time. There are other choices on the site for all denominations. Just find one that meets your needs. Just another cheap safety net to keep close by. I keep mine in my shirt pocket with a rubber band around it. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

Stay away from Autumnridge18 on PD.

[URL]https://privatedelights.ch/USA/Pennsylvania/Philadelphia/Autumnridge18[/URL]

(808) xxxx325.

She took an outcall deposit for $80 and ghosted me once deposit was received. Later she said she fell asleep but would not return the deposit.

Seems like she also travels with a pimp to jack you in the middle of your session.

Stay away from this ***** she will rob you.

Also she claims to be a 145# spinner. LOL.

Save your money and headache Avoid.

[QUOTE=CBadFuck;5725369]Stay away from Autumnridge18 on PD.

[URL]https://privatedelights.ch/USA/Pennsylvania/Philadelphia/Autumnridge18[/URL]

(808) xxxx325.

She took an outcall deposit for $80 and ghosted me once deposit was received. Later she said she fell asleep but would not return the deposit.

Seems like she also travels with a pimp to jack you in the middle of your session.

Stay away from this ***** she will rob you.

Also she claims to be a 145# spinner. LOL.

Save your money and headache Avoid.[/QUOTE]As long as there are people willing to give away free cash there will be people willing to take it. Doesn't seem like such a difficult equation now does it?

It's a shame you had to experience that the hard way.

Many of the "escorts" like to pull this stunt. They are escorts alright. They escort guys like yourself right into the bend-over and the screw-me-over room.

I'm curious about this and only trying to understand what would motivate you to send someone you aren't even remotely sure is a woman $80.00 of your hard-earned money? You have no idea who the person is you are communicating with. You haven't a preschool clue what her / his name is. You don't know where they live. They know you are reluctant to file a police report. You have no idea if they are on the FBI most wanted list. Yet you trust them enough to send them your money. Does that sound at all strange to you?

You had control of the entire situation up until one point. Any idea when you lost control? Let me help you out a little. It is when you gave your money to the person on the other end of that phone you were holding. That was the end of the deal. Does it seem a little odd to you that I wasn't even there and I figured that out based upon your report? Yet you couldn't figure it out at the time it happened? That's something to think about.

I hope this is a one and done for you and you learned a fast lesson. After all you spent $80.00 on that education. Might as well learn something from it. I would hate to see you get taken like that again.

It's pretty hard to complain when we lose the cash if we willingly gave it to the person that stole it. Would you agree?

Here's a suggestion. Next time you decide to visit an escort check on the board here for reviews of dependable meetings. Check with a few of the members here about what their experiences might have been with particular choices. Most people here will point you in the right direction if you approach them with respect. Above all, hang onto your cash until you are at the meeting and you are ready to complete the deal. It's always safer to have the meeting at a place of your choosing, not hers. Good luck going forward. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

[QUOTE=CBadFuck;5725369]
She took an outcall deposit for $80 and ghosted me once deposit was received. Later she said she fell asleep but would not return the deposit.

Seems like she also travels with a pimp to jack you in the middle of your session.

Stay away from this ***** she will rob you.

Also she claims to be a 145# spinner. LOL.

Save your money and headache Avoid.[/QUOTE]Sorry for your bad experience, looks like you learned Rule #23 the hard way!

But I won't leave you hanging, if you are interested, there are techniques on can learn to avoid paying upfront and getting ripped off.