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Sorry, know that you don't want to be a part of this discussion, but have to know. What is PFE?

Also, think this is an important discussion, as GFE is used extensively here, but is the most misused term ever. But, maybe I'm just using it wrong.

Urban Dictionary has 6 different definitions of it with the top one just not saying anything, Wikipedia as usual mangled it in a long painful way, and Quora has so called experts saying it has nothing to do with sex.

Who knows??

[QUOTE=Admin2;3700064][BLUE]The difference between GFE and PFE is an attitude that MANIFESTS itself in behaviors. It's not they are GFE because they do this, this, this, and this. A chick can be a safety girl and still be GFE.

GFE = Sweet PFE = Fuck me like the naughty little girl that I am.

A2's favorite? Chicks that start out GFE and can't help but end up PFE

Please don't talk about this anymore. My head will literally explode from the banality.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PasionMmx;3699998]Perhaps GFE Lite should be the term for these new hot brazil chicks who happen to be super pretty, and a great kisser, but won't budge on CBJ or CFS.[/QUOTE]Covered BJ takes them out of the GFE category all together.

[QUOTE=HeyFlint;3700247]Sorry, know that you don't want to be a part of this discussion, but have to know. What is PFE?

Also, think this is an important discussion, as GFE is used extensively here, but is the most misused term ever. But, maybe I'm just using it wrong.

Urban Dictionary has 6 different definitions of it with the top one just not saying anything, Wikipedia as usual mangled it in a long painful way, and Quora has so called experts saying it has nothing to do with sex.

Who knows??[/QUOTE]I think Sonny's fat fingers hit the F instead of the S.

C3.

[QUOTE=Camera3;3700387]I think Sonny's fat fingers hit the F instead of the S.

C3.[/QUOTE]Since he said it was his favorite, I think the intention was PFF = Pussy for free.

Isn't that everyone's favorite?

Below is the link to Sophia's ad. . I am not sure how to list the link without putting up the phone number so if Admin wants to advise me on that I am open to that. (phone number is now part of the link).

The pics are not her. She is a cute 22 year old that is about 5' 1" tall and slim with long full black hair to her waist. Pretty face and smells good. I tried contacting her several times the first day she posted and I got no response. The second day. Not to be deterred. I got an answer and was greeted with a pleasant girl on the other end of the phone. She wanted to text me her menu. It is very involved. And probably too detailed for my taste. Was setting off spidey senses, but I pressed on at junior's insistence. I made the setup at a local Maitland hotel and arrived a little early. She asked me to wait a few and it was only 3 minutes. Which was a nice difference from those that leave you there for 15 minutes or worse, go silent.

I went to the room and found Sophia. I know you all never pay up front. But I do. And then if I lose, I lose. But honestly with one exception, never happened. But I thought I might be out of luck. Right after she put my friend Ben (1) in her purse to sleep, she wants to know if I have a cover. No one is undressed yet. Spidey senses on high alert. However, she finds one where her "girlfriend" put it and we press on for the 20 minutes I came for. I dreamt that she had nice natural D's and a skinny little butt. She has tattoos, which are not my favorite but I still liked her. She started a CBJ which took some doing a my buddy was not all that into it yet. But he got going and she wanted mish. I obliged. She said she thought she was tight. She was not, but she made all the right noises and I popped and washed up and left. Dream over.

She apparently smokes cigs, but there was no noticeable smell and I usually pick up on that immediately.

Anyone. TYFTT on this and was not disappointed. I would repeat, but I think I would stay at the "menu" level I chose.

[URL]http://orlando.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/407-591-1421/22956048[/URL]

-cmm.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3700064][BLUE]The difference between GFE and PFE is an attitude that MANIFESTS itself in behaviors. It's not they are GFE because they do this, this, this, and this. A chick can be a safety girl and still be GFE.

GFE = Sweet PFE = Fuck me like the naughty little girl that I am.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]so GFE= She acts like she actually wants you to fuck her.

[QUOTE=CallMeMatthew;3700794]Below is the link to Sophia's ad. . I am not sure how to list the link without putting up the phone number so if Admin wants to advise me on that I am open to that. (phone number is now part of the link).

The pics are not her. She is a cute 22 year old that is about 5' 1" tall and slim with long full black hair to her waist. Pretty face and smells good. I tried contacting her several times the first day she posted and I got no response. The second day. Not to be deterred. I got an answer and was greeted with a pleasant girl on the other end of the phone. She wanted to text me her menu. It is very involved. And probably too detailed for my taste. Was setting off spidey senses, but I pressed on at junior's insistence. I made the setup at a local Maitland hotel and arrived a little early. She asked me to wait a few and it was only 3 minutes. Which was a nice difference from those that leave you there for 15 minutes or worse, go silent.

I went to the room and found Sophia. I know you all never pay up front. But I do. And then if I lose, I lose. But honestly with one exception, never happened. But I thought I might be out of luck. Right after she put my friend Ben (1) in her purse to sleep, she wants to know if I have a cover. No one is undressed yet. Spidey senses on high alert. However, she finds one where her "girlfriend" put it and we press on for the 20 minutes I came for. I dreamt that she had nice natural D's and a skinny little butt. She has tattoos, which are not my favorite but I still liked her. She started a CBJ which took some doing a my buddy was not all that into it yet. But he got going and she wanted mish. I obliged. She said she thought she was tight. She was not, but she made all the right noises and I popped and washed up and left. Dream over.

She apparently smokes cigs, but there was no noticeable smell and I usually pick up on that immediately.

Anyone. TYFTT on this and was not disappointed. I would repeat, but I think I would stay at the "menu" level I chose.

[URL]http://orlando.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/407-591-1421/22956048[/URL]

-cmm.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your review on this one. I had been texting with her and got the same extended menu from her and decided to go with another girl instead. This may have changed my mind on this one.

[QUOTE=H20Monger;3700862]so GFE= She acts like she actually wants you to fuck her.[/QUOTE]Shit, one more post on the subject. I'm sure GFE means different things to different people.

I've had two over the years that I considered GFE's and they were both down in Pompano. I had one that was the definition of GFE to me. Our first time we met, the LEO check was a very quick BBBJ. Then the fun started. I miss that type of LEO check. After a lot of playtime, she grabbed my hand and asked if we could go for a walk on the beach. After some more fun in the sand we went out for a very early breakfast.

She would almost always stay for the night when we got together and a couple of times she spent a good portion of the weekend. Sitting on the couch and making out before having dinner and drinks (for me) were always on the menu. DFK was a given, recording sessions and watching them together happened regularly. She knew that if she needed a ride or a favor that she could call me. I knew if I needed personal attention at that moment she would make herself available.

Going BBFS with kissing with tongue is a Saturday night, not a GFE. You can add in DATY if you have a room and it still doesn't make it a GFE.

GFE to me is less about sexual activities than personal connections.

P.S. Removing CIM from the menu is an ex-wife.

[QUOTE=CallMeMatthew;3700794]Below is the link to Sophia's ad. . I am not sure how to list the link without putting up the phone number so if Admin wants to advise me on that I am open to that. (phone number is now part of the link).

The pics are not her. She is a cute 22 year old that is about 5' 1" tall and slim with long full black hair to her waist. Pretty face and smells good. I tried contacting her several times the first day she posted and I got no response. The second day. Not to be deterred. I got an answer and was greeted with a pleasant girl on the other end of the phone. She wanted to text me her menu. It is very involved. And probably too detailed for my taste. Was setting off spidey senses, but I pressed on at junior's insistence. I made the setup at a local Maitland hotel and arrived a little early. She asked me to wait a few and it was only 3 minutes. Which was a nice difference from those that leave you there for 15 minutes or worse, go silent.

I went to the room and found Sophia. I know you all never pay up front. But I do. And then if I lose, I lose. But honestly with one exception, never happened. But I thought I might be out of luck. Right after she put my friend Ben (1) in her purse to sleep, she wants to know if I have a cover. No one is undressed yet. Spidey senses on high alert. However, she finds one where her "girlfriend" put it and we press on for the 20 minutes I came for. I dreamt that she had nice natural D's and a skinny little butt. She has tattoos, which are not my favorite but I still liked her. She started a CBJ which took some doing a my buddy was not all that into it yet. But he got going and she wanted mish. I obliged. She said she thought she was tight. She was not, but she made all the right noises and I popped and washed up and left. Dream over.

She apparently smokes cigs, but there was no noticeable smell and I usually pick up on that immediately.

Anyone. TYFTT on this and was not disappointed. I would repeat, but I think I would stay at the "menu" level I chose.

[URL]http://orlando.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/407-591-1421/22956048[/URL]

-cmm.[/QUOTE]Many non-working BP links have phone numbers embedded in them. I use Firefox. Right-click on the link and choose 'Inspect Element (Q)'. In the window below then appears complete link. Phone numbers usually are in the highlighted line, somewhere in the middle.

[QUOTE=CallMeMatthew;3700794]Below is the link to Sophia's ad. . I am not sure how to list the link without putting up the phone number so if Admin wants to advise me on that I am open to that. (phone number is now part of the link).

The pics are not her. She is a cute 22 year old that is about 5' 1" tall and slim with long full black hair to her waist. Pretty face and smells good. I tried contacting her several times the first day she posted and I got no response. The second day. Not to be deterred. I got an answer and was greeted with a pleasant girl on the other end of the phone. She wanted to text me her menu. It is very involved. And probably too detailed for my taste. Was setting off spidey senses, but I pressed on at junior's insistence. I made the setup at a local Maitland hotel and arrived a little early. She asked me to wait a few and it was only 3 minutes. Which was a nice difference from those that leave you there for 15 minutes or worse, go silent.

I went to the room and found Sophia. I know you all never pay up front. But I do. And then if I lose, I lose. But honestly with one exception, never happened. But I thought I might be out of luck. Right after she put my friend Ben (1) in her purse to sleep, she wants to know if I have a cover. No one is undressed yet. Spidey senses on high alert. However, she finds one where her "girlfriend" put it and we press on for the 20 minutes I came for. I dreamt that she had nice natural D's and a skinny little butt. She has tattoos, which are not my favorite but I still liked her. She started a CBJ which took some doing a my buddy was not all that into it yet. But he got going and she wanted mish. I obliged. She said she thought she was tight. She was not, but she made all the right noises and I popped and washed up and left. Dream over.

She apparently smokes cigs, but there was no noticeable smell and I usually pick up on that immediately.

Anyone. TYFTT on this and was not disappointed. I would repeat, but I think I would stay at the "menu" level I chose.

[URL]http://orlando.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/407-591-1421/22956048[/URL]

-cmm.[/QUOTE]How much was the damage?

Since Brazilians are quite the rage, here is another Miss Bum Bum. I've seen her twice and yes, pictures are real and she is built like the proverbial shit house. Everything covered. Here through Friday. If you like this type of physique, can't go wrong.

[URL]http://orlando.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/954-982-3663/29248692[/URL]

In case the link goes awry:

I was striking out left and right today. I took most of the winter off and decided to get back in the game but luck wasn't quite there for me. I turned to backpage. I wanted to find someone with a snapchat so I could see them and so I could contact them easier. Is it me or are the girls on backpage posting numbers but not answers calls or returning voicemails or texts? It is super frustrating. Anyways, finally found angelaa. Mi on snapchat and sent her a message. Got a reply back in under 5 minutes and in less than 30 minutes I was inside her. She doesn't show face in the ad so I was taking a chance but showed up and she was super pretty. Honestly wasn't expecting that. Paid a Benjamin for a QV but wanted to go another round so she cut me a break and said I was cute so a Jackson got me another 20 minutes. Anyways, definitely worth the stop. It was also a nice change from the SW girls. I can understand why guys avoid them. When I finally find one, I feel like I spend more time haggling and getting them to focus than to actually perform.

[URL]http://orlando.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/407-697-6915/25854017[/URL]

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;3700000]The definition has never been set in stone and has been used very loosely. GFE should always include some form of bare action and a no rush session.

The way I see it.

GFE = BBBJ, LFK / DFK, DATY / DATO and no rush.

FULL GFE = Everything in GFE plus BBFS and CIP and / or CIM.

It's probably best just to avoid the term all together and just describe your experience. As usual YMMV.[/QUOTE]This is as simple as it gets!

It's amazing how much forum time is consumed with GFE, PSE or some other accronymn. Our reality is that when a review is presented it answers most of our questions. And most BP or other site posts usually quickly identify a safety girl or report GFE. So there's some kind of baseline set without the specifcs detailed. Who here does not cull through their choices and begin their personal selection process by though initial contact. Even if we've read trusted reviews.

After all, consider the fluff in this forum about Shorty whose incessant search for details slammed the door in her face. Along with myriads of other reasons. We all exercise our own research to get the answers we want. Don't like what we hear then continue the search.

I'm a BBBJCIM fanatic. I admit it. But physical limits and age make it a challenge. It's tough to pass the Mac test. If I say their oral skills are tops, trust me, you young whippersnappers won't last long. Angela4 You advertises GFE and although she has incredible skills will not allow CIM. Alex doesn't advertise GFE but except for DATY and DFT hits the definition spot-on. She is the only server outside of Hott Holly in Tampa who can hit target each and every single time. And some reviews report services that are really not available, or for me, or even for you, just don't click or hit mark. Bunny is my classic example. She has not once hit target in three visits.

So let's all go back to Mongering 101 and use the term as freely as we want knowing it's a baseline folks. If you go into a session without knowing what's on the table then it doesn't matter anymore. You either walk or TOFTT and report.

Enough please! Get back to protecting our girls, ourselves and offering honest reviews.

Mac Out.

[QUOTE=JJFresh;3701572]This is as simple as it gets![/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=TeenHunter;3701092]I was striking out left and right today. I took most of the winter off and decided to get back in the game but luck wasn't quite there for me. I turned to backpage. I wanted to find someone with a snapchat so I could see them and so I could contact them easier. Is it me or are the girls on backpage posting numbers but not answers calls or returning voicemails or texts? It is super frustrating. Anyways, finally found angelaa. Mi on snapchat and sent her a message. Got a reply back in under 5 minutes and in less than 30 minutes I was inside her. She doesn't show face in the ad so I was taking a chance but showed up and she was super pretty. Honestly wasn't expecting that. Paid a Benjamin for a QV but wanted to go another round so she cut me a break and said I was cute so a Jackson got me another 20 minutes. Anyways, definitely worth the stop. It was also a nice change from the SW girls. I can understand why guys avoid them. When I finally find one, I feel like I spend more time haggling and getting them to focus than to actually perform.

[URL]http://orlando.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/407-697-6915/25854017[/URL][/QUOTE]